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Congratulations, Dr Ngige!

Shame on those who tried to steal his mandate.

AjanleKoko:
You'll prolly need to be licensed by NERC if you generate above 1MW electricity in Nigeria.

Hrm, I didn't know there was regulation like that. I'll look into it. Thanks.

I don't see what the point of tribalism in this thread is. People have a right to resist their votes being rigged, in my opinion. Comparisons with northerners don't make sense, since to my knowledge non-indigenes aren't being targeted.

By Steve Uzoechi
April 27, 2011 01:57AM

The governorship election in Imo State was fraught with diverse electoral malpractices, ranging from ballot box snatching, ballot stuffing, thuggery, and outright voters disenfranchisement.

The opposition parties in the state have blamed these electoral malfeasance on the ruling People’s Democratic Party (PDP).

In Owerri North council area, as at 6.20pm, no election materials have been brought to over five polling centres in the Okigwe Road and Orji areas of the council. While there were security agents at the polling units, there were no INEC officials in two of the polling units.

In a polling unit in Ihiagwa, Owerri West council area, voters refused to vote with what they described as ‘fake electoral materials’ brought in after some individuals, claiming to be policemen, took away the original materials and brought a different set after three hours.

At Uzoagba, in Ikeduru council area, electoral materials in booth 8 were snatched by unidentified hoodlums. Also at Okwu, Eziama, and Ugirike wards, ballot boxes and all electoral materials were snatched by unknown gunmen. Amaimo Central School of the same council erupted in a free-for-all-fight following suspicions of manipulation.

At Nguru centre in Aboh Mbaise council area, men in army uniform, wielding military rifles, took away electoral materials in the area.

In the same Aboh Mbaise, Godfrey Dikeocha, a former Speaker of the State Assembly and aide to governor Ikedi Ohakim and one Ogunewe Princewill, a representative at Okeovoro Development Centre, allegedly stormed polling units with armed thugs, two of whom were identified as Udochukwu Onyekwere and Ekwueme Nweke. The polling booths raided are at Umunebie Ndigbu Uvuru.

“As at 6.10pm, there was no voting in the entire Ngor Okpala council area of Imo State due to issues ranging from the absence of result sheets to the unavailability of other relevant documents for the elections,” the chairman of the All Nigerian People’s Party (ANPP), Vitalis Ajumbe, said.

Snatching ballots

Ballot papers were allegedly taken away from these polling units and thumb printed for the PDP outside the polling station by armed thugs hired by some officials of the state government.

There were many casualties, including one Hapuruchi Ejiekpe who was seriously injured and is hospitalised.

Also at Ezinihitte council area of the state, Chinemerem Madu, the PDP chairman of the area, allegedly invaded polling booth 004, Ward 1, Amumara, Ezinihitte, with thugs; allegedly compelling voters to vote PDP and openly sharing money to people.

A retired SSS officer, Joebra Nwachukwu, was reported to have been nearly assaulted when he challenged them. The police were called in, but did not intervene in the matter and left in their Imo Transport Company (ITC) commercial bus, Registration No. XC 846 WER.

Some of the colluding policemen were identified as Ekene Basil (401435); Chilaka Duru (427155); Paul Sunday (without number), and others.

It was a theatre of war in Oguta council area, as sporadic gunshots were heard from different areas, especially the Izombe community where two of the major contenders for the House of Assembly seat came from. There was rampant snatching of ballot boxes and electoral materials at Izombe.

There was also unconfirmed report of an arrest at a hotel in the state capital, where people were caught thumb printing in one of the hotel rooms, although the police spokesperson refused to confirm it.

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[quote author=ose_o link=topic=654073.msg8211244#msg8211244 date=1303874667]When Buhari was on the campaign trail and making statements like ", carry sticks and break their heads open" what did he think would happen if he lost? There are some things you should never say, except if your intention is to incite violence and stir up trouble.[/quote]Reference for that quote, please.

A $2-3 billion budget for 18-20 million or so people isn't much. I think he is doing a pretty good job given the resources available to him.

Anyways, Sai Fashola

Lol. Is it really true that Hausa is a simple language to learn, and Fulani much more rich and complex? Or is that Fulani arrogance again?

Damn. That Khulubuse Zuma did is living large, lol

ezeagu:
The other groups in Kwara are not settling in other peoples lands.

Yes, they are. They are being pulled to Ilorin via commerce and business.

Their culture is there and there's no need for their children to suddenly call themselves Yoruba

Right, so he'll call himself a son of Ilorin. Rather than a son of whatever town his grandpa was from in Nupeland.

which they are not and which the Kwara Yoruba are not, just because of the Yoruba language.

Again, you are too fixated on the word "Yoruba." It just refers to a group of people who speak a certain language and have a certain culture. Ilorin is such a town.

Nigeria's official language is English, nobody in Nigeria is gradually turning English.

Official language != language of day to day speech

OK, of the ones who were not. . . even if it is as little as 5%. What happened to them? Do they still consider themselves from whatever land they were from? Rather than Yoruba?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=654079.msg8210025#msg8210025 date=1303855233]samuel ajayi crowther was from an oyo village.

quite a lot if not most of the returnee slaves were of yoruba heritage.

it was barely one generation after they'd been captured and for many, just some decades later since they still remembered their birthplaces.

dont confuse the situation back then with what we have now.[/quote]Not all of them were from Yorubaland, is my point. I could have sworn that I read this on a paper in JStor. . . I'll see if I can find a reference for this.

And you ignored this Badagry/Egun example I gave you.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=654079.msg8209989#msg8209989 date=1303854797]the first fulani ruler of ilorin, alimi, had a yoruba mother.

or was it yoruba wife.[/quote]Right. Abdusalami's (Alimi's son) mother was Yoruba. For all we know, if the Emirs after Abdusalami (see the list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilorin_Emirate) had Yoruba wives, then the actual Fulani DNA in the current Emir is under 1%.

ezeagu:
So you're English?

No, I'm Nigerian American. But the point is, if I settle down here longterm, my desdendants will view themselves primarily as American. . . their connection to Nigeria will diminish over time.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=654079.msg8209819#msg8209819 date=1303852894]you ignore the fact that what now constitutes southern niger state, used to be yoruba.

so, the yoruba culture and influence was already there. It's probably the other way round, with nupe trying to absorb yoruba indigenes.[/quote]Tpia, but that territory was lost in the 1400s (And it isn't even clear that the demographics/majority group there were Yoruba speakers, but let's temporarily assume that is the case.) Again, this supports my point. . . if we assume that land used to be Yorubaland in 1400, somehow it became Nupeland. The people there don't view themselves as Yoruba, but instead Nupe.

migration happens all the time- someone moving to ilorin, or any place, doesnt necessarily become yoruba.

I think you are fixated too much on the ethnic identity "Yoruba." If you consider yourself an Ilorin indigene, speak only Yoruba, and only know that your ancestor 200 years ago was a Nupe. . . how are you in practice more similar culturally to Nupe than Yoruba? You are for all intents and purposes ([size=2pt]all intensive purposes  [/size] ) Yoruba.

i see your point, but things arent as clearcut as that.

take lagos for instance.

many non-yoruba tribes have been there for generations yet still didnt become yoruba.

The Badagry kingdom (Egun) folk? What of the Hausa that founded this Tinubu family? What of the returned slaves from Brazil and the rest of the New World? They weren't all 100% Yoruba (unless I misremember things.)

^-- Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point. But if it is about immigration, then it supports my argument.

@tpia@: Hrm, I'm not sure I agree. Speaking another culture's language is the first step in this process. They won't necessarily see themselves are "Yoruba." But the Emirate is like nearly 200 years old now. Imagine a Hausa or Nupe settler 200 years who moved to Ilorin to fight for Afonja/Alimi, started speaking Yoruba as the common language. What do you think his descendants today would most culturally resemble?

Now, imagine a guy from one of the Nupe LGAs who speaks Yoruba pretty well. He moves to Ilorin to do some sort of business. 200 years from now, who do you think his descendants will most resemble culturally? Nupe, or Yoruba?

You sort of see what I'm saying? This has happened all over the place throughout history, btw.

Heh. I'm saying, subdividing it will awaken Borgu, Nupe ethnolinguistic movements. Currently, they are being slowly absorbed over time into the dominant culture of the state. For selfish reasons, I'd like to see this continue 

Like, it is good for Yorubaland for Kwara to remain one (in my opinion), bad if it is partitioned.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=654079.msg8209537#msg8209537 date=1303849833]anyway, i was saying i dont think it matters if the state is subdivided.[/quote]What do you mean by this? In what doesn't it matter. . . what will not change?

^-- Just post in the 'complaints' thread

@sbeezy8: Yeah I saw that. But I wasn't sure what to make of it. . . whether it meant that many in parts of Niger State speak the language. I guess for trade reasons, they might. . . Ilorin is the only major city of note in that whole area, so I guess back in the day people would travel there to trade, and thus need to interact with the locals.

Mostly agree with your comment about Fulani. I disagree about going extinct culturally though. . . there are still some who maintain their traditional lifestyle and life in these Fulani villages. Not to talk of the herders too.

Anyways, this is part of the reason I don't want to see Kwara State subdivided.

^-- Definitely on my todo list for next time I go (I'm guessing this summer).

Here are the LGAs from Kwara's site: http://www.kwarastate.gov.ng/asa.html

You see at the top of the page the horizontal navigation bar, with the 5th one from the left called "LGAs"? Hover your mouse over it to get the list. Lists some info for each.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=654079.msg8209123#msg8209123 date=1303845678]kwara is already fully culturally yoruba.

the fulanis there speak better yoruba than me.[/quote]In Ilorin town, you mean the folk there? Yes, that makes sense. But what of these 5 LGAs in purple, north of Ilorin:
http://www.ncocusa.com/images/map.kwara1.gif

The Nupe and Borgu LGAs, basically. Have you ever been to a major market town there and listened to the languages spoken? Unfortunately I've never been to Ilorin, much less any of these LGAs. . . so I would not know what the market tongue is.

playmode:
That is a very good suggestion ,maybe a residential estate can do this for all the owners within it's estate but $1100 per day is a lot of consumption even for a factory.If i am not mistaken ,that is at least N100,000 per day and at least N3,000,000 per month 

You need to power a whole town to be able to achieve that.

Exactly. Not practical for a single home, more for a residential estate (of fairly rich people who consume lots of electricity.)

This was another caveat that the guy sort of pointed out to me. Ota isn't very highbrow. He thinks it might be a better idea to do it in somewhere like Lekki. Thing though is that Shell doesn't have any control of gas distribution in Lekki; Oando is responsible.

His own suggestion of the way to do this in Ota to build an estate near one of the universities. Share electricity with them. That way it is easier to get to this 1 MW consumption threshold.

But yeah, not really an immediately practical idea, something you can just do by yourself.

In short, it was a questionable idea not because Shell won't pipeline the gas to your site (they do this, I called the guy on the phone to confirm that what the Shell website says is accurate), but because you need to consume roughly $1100 of gas a day for it to be economical for them.

Easy to do if you do any sort of manufacturing.

Impossible as a single homeowner.

However, a large enough collection of homeowners will. A smaller collection of homeowners with say a bank+restaurant+church nearby also will. Etc, etc.

I dunno how the judges would score this. . . I'll let them speak and decide

FACE:
Most industrial processes rely on boilers and gas fired boilers remain the most cost effective way of powering the industries. Industries are also heavy consumers of gas, so Shell will be able to recoup the money the spent delivering gas to Aba and Otta industrial areas.

Agreed.

Gas doesn't become electricity in your house without a thermal station utilizing gas fired turbines, so you wont get a 24/7 electricity just because you have gas supply to your house.

Yes. The gas is for a generator on your property. . . it isn't entering your house or something. But you can buy gas generators in a variety of sizes.

As a home owner, you are planning to consume £2400 worth of gas per annum and you think Shell will get involved with delivering to you ?

Right. So as a single home owner, you won't consume enough gas (unless you also have some heavy industrial process on your property.)

This is why my initial proposal was flawed . . . just not economically feasible if it is only one guy consuming the gas.

However, if you have an estate of residences? Say you and the 100 other families that live in your estate? Then you can do this. From talking to the Shell guy on the phone, you need to be consuming minimum 1 MW of electricity for it to be worth their while. It seems that 200 Mcf of gas consumed per day will be enough to generate this 1MW (fwiw, Shell charges $5.66 per Mcf, according to him.)

Anyway, if you say 10 kW per home, then you'd need 100 homes to pull this off. So two estates neighboring each other, or one very large estate. Though if you had some sort of other heavy consumer of electricity nearby, this reduces the # of homes needed to pull this off.

We are a long way from domestic supply of gas as it involves a lot of planning and organisation to ensure the safe delivery and consumption of the gas supplied.

Not really. Safety doesn't appear to be the issue. Getting enough estates together on this is what is challenging. Effectively it looks like you have to become your own miniature power company (supplying 1 MW to likely several estates.)

Domestic supply will not happen in a piece meal manner so stop being naive.

Individual delivery was naive, yes. Large estate, probably less so.

Pataki:
No one is above the law, but on what basis does GEJ or the silly international bodies have the balls to arrest Buhari?

This really is the heart of the matter. I don't think they'll (GEJ or these international bodies) be able to build a strong enough case against him.

Or what would be the case against him? Did he go on TV and say that the infidels should be killed? Or non-northerners wiped out? No, he did not.

Is he likely to have directly told someone (say on the phone) to start killing? Doubtful. So I dunno what you'll have against him.

This is a pretty simple concept. Gas is distributed from Shell's pipeline to your site (you pay a fee for them to set this up.) On your site, you have a natural gas generator. This generates electricity for your business.

We already know that many of the manufacturers in Ota are taking advantage of it to power their businesses more cheaply than using diesel/petrol.

There is no reason (at least, assuming you are consuming enough gas for it to be cost-effective) you cannot generate electricity for other purposes.

Focusing on the home aspect is irrelevant. . . whether the gas is being burned to generate electricity for a business, home, church, mosque, whatever, the question is, "Am I consuming enough electricity for it to be worth my while to pay Shell to connect me to their grid?"

30-35% makes more sense than the official turnout claimed. But if that was the true turnout, then we must also look in askance at the results in the North.

Ideally, everything is subjected to testing, and fake votes (both in the North, SS, SE, and possibly even SW) are exposed.

Hehe. So smiley face GIFs usually mean that you realize you are wrong.

Glad we've settled that.

Anyway, so I guess I'm up 2-0 (though I'll wait for the judges on the sideline to score the match, possibly ask further questions.)

Beaf 

Dude. In my apartment now, I have a stove and a heater. Both use natural gas (or propane, not sure which) for fuel. I do not live near a gas pipeline. . . I actually don't know where it is, it may be many miles away from my house. However, wherever it is, there is additional piping that goes from that pipeline to my house. There is likely a gas main in the street from which gas is delivered to all the homes in my neighborhood.

Now, do you understand that Shell offers the same service in Ota (and Aba)? That you can ask them to deliver gas to your property too? That this is a major product they sell?  That businesses in the Ota area (and Aba as well) are taking advantage of this? Without necessarily being in the industrial estate themselves?

Like, what is so hard to understand here about this concept? What is making you laugh about the concept of delivering gas to a business or home. . . when it is currently being done in Nigeria (as it has been done in the US for a very long time now)?

I could see if this were something crazy or new being proposed. . . but it is already being done.

Beaf:
I let it rest because its impossible to reason with the braindead. You tell someone, "your logic is flawed" and the dunce goes, "really? It is, but the phrase you used to tell me about it is the wrong one." How could I keep arguing with such a "genius?"

Beaf. You claimed that I was guilty of "begging the question." Click the link I provided you (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-650619.32.html#msg8168600), and you'll see why quite precisely you were wrong. Not just a minor mistake, but wrong in at least three ways. Like, you were 100% off base.

And you will be building your house on the industrial estate?
. . .Not stopping there, Shell will actually connect a gas pipeline to your house? Did you learn that from google? Damn!
Unu go wound pesin o!

The principle is very similar to delivering electricity to homes. It is pretty standard technology. If near the pipeline, then they can build a feeder that goes to your property. It isn't magic, dude. . . just a product you buy from them.

Big B1:
Rule number 1: If you don't want to fail face down, don't ever copy anybody's move or compare anyone's situation to yours when you're planning to return back to Nigeria.
Rule number 2: Before making your final decision, come and test drive Nigeria for at least 6 months.
Rule number 3: Don't ever make your final decision to return to Nigeria based on someone's promise to assist you in anyway.
Rule number 4: As the man, be the first to return while your family prepares to join you (at least in a year or 2)
Rule number 5: Don't be scared to meet good people, but try not to sweat anybody regardless of what they have or who they are; just be yourself @ all time.
Rule number 6: Cut your shirt according to your size, don't look like a clown.
Rule number 7: Be fair, but don't be too nice to your employees (or else your employees will see you as a mugu)
Final rule: Please don't move to Ota.

Thank you very much. The advice is much appreciated. Like I said, I'll do Lagos first before planning the next move. BTW, I'm 25. . . no wife, no kids, only a GF. So not as many family constraints as other people.