₦airaland Forum

We have enough gas, coal and hydro not to go nuclear. 7th largest gas reserves on the face of the earth. . .

RichyBlacK:
This agrees with data from UME, WAEC, mobile telephony, bank accounts, etc.

Can you provide references to the telephone and bank data? For example, state-by-state usage of cellular phones would tell a lot.

[quote author=Igwe-1 link=topic=638211.msg8053451#msg8053451 date=1301961511]You guys should remember that IGBOs are everywhere. If you factor the number of igbos outside south east( 7million in lagos assuming lagos is 18million as projected, about 2.5million in kano, plus millions in other places like kaduan, abuja, bayelsa, delta,) Igbos easily have the highest population in Nigeria. That is the reason why OBJ and the north did not want to include the ethnicity question in the last census because they knew the truth will be out. OBJ wants the old dynamic of Huasa>Yoruba>Igbo to stay instead of the other way round because the people that benefit the most are Yorubas. This is the real truth. Jonathan should redo this census because it was total crap. The UN was giving a state like anambra 7million but the census said 4million, just to tell you the degree of descripancy.[/quote]There are 2.5 million Igbos in Kano  That sounds very fake to me. What %age of the population of Kano city is then Igbo? 30%? 40%?

I don't see how Hausa > Yoruba > Igbo benefits us more than Igbo > Yoruba > Hausa. In the latter situation, the Hausaman wants to secede and form his own new country. . . since political power (and thus control of oil wealth) is all that is keeping him in Nigeria. How do Yoruba lose if we go from #2 to #2?

You'll also have to definitely cite this UN # for Anambrarians. . .

edoyad:
Dude do you know anything about Nigeria at all ? The population of hausa people in kano, kaduna, zamfara, sokoto and jigawa alone nearly tops 20 million. When you add up the population of hausa people from other states it definitely will approach their estimates

Hrm, I guess you've probably visited those places extensively, unlike us southerners. Can you give specific estimates for each of those states? The large cities mainly, not the rural areas (I looked at Kano non-urban LGAs and believe they are heavily inflated.) What do the #s look like in your opinion?

Here were the official 2006 #s:
19 Kano 4,844,128            4,539,554            9,383,682
18 Kaduna 3,112,028            2,954,534            6,066,562
36 Zamfara 1,630,344            1,629,502            3,259,846
33 Sokoto 1,872,069            1,824,930            3,696,999
17 Jigawa 2,215,907            2,132,742            4,348,649

@Beaf: Dude, we are done talking. There is nothing further for us to discuss until you one day read and understand the terms used. You are welcome to the last word, though.

edoyad:
When they clump everything together like this it's increases the chances of error. They should have gone further to reduce the limitations of this material. My problem is with kaduna state where they just scored the whole state together knowing fully well that in terms of the  last 3 indices, southern kaduna is even higher than most states in country. But when you group northern and southern kd together and average it, the deficit up north is filled with the southern kd's figures, meaning policy makers will not know where to focus their efforts.

How likely is that southern Kaduna will get its own state, btw? I remember reading about some guy running for office who promised to push that heavily.


@Beaf: You are embarrassing yourself. Abeg, Google is just a fingertip away. You can fill the holes in your knowledge easily, rather than being stubbornly ignorant.

Southern Kaduna is composed of non-Hausa minorities, primarily Christian. Don't those groups outnumber the Hausa in Kaduna State?

Just trying to figure out why Kaduna is safely Buhari, in a free and fair election.

EDIT: Actually, feel free to ignore this question, since it isn't the topic of discussion.

odumchi:
You might be correct here. Let's use some common sense, the north is mostly desert and a dry savannah, how can such a barren region have a greater population than the fertile, arable south? And the true Hausa Fulani population in Nigeria is probably less than 20million. The rest are most likely conquered peoples who maintain their distinct culture but still speak the Hausa Language.

The actual true Hausa Population is around 15million with 5million Fulanis. Remember the Fulani and Hausa are different peoples who were united in 1804 by Usman Dan Fodio. So the actual population Numbers would really be (1) Yoruba 36million  (2) Igbo 35 million  (3) Hausa 22 million  (4) Ijaw 15million (5) Fulani 5 million (6) Other 38 million

How did you get those #s for Hausa-Fulani? BTW, what exactly do you consider Fulani, when you say that 5 million? There are some Fulani who are herders, some who live in those small hut villages. I don't think there can be up to 5 million of them combined in Nigeria; that sort of lifestyle doesn't support large #s. Probably less than 2 million total in Nigeria of those. Or are you including urbanized Fulani guys like Sanusi Lamido Sanusi in that 5 million?

And why do you think 15 million Ijaw? That is impossible. Bayelsa is their heartland, and probably has 3 million max. Where do you get the other 12 million from? And why more Yoruba than Igbo? That I'm not sure about; it could go either way. But I think Igbo are more, personally.

Beaf:
GDP PPP is GDP adjusted for price parity

Yes.

and price parity is a direct measure of relative economic wellbeing.

No. I already explained what price parity means in this context. Read the Wikipedia article if you didn't get it.

It has nothing to do with oil money (which just 1% of the population has access to)

Wrong.

or govt stipends (which Ibori stole).

Wrong.

In every sense, it is a measure of both development and economic activity

Wrong.

Govt stipends do not contribute much to overall economic activity in any state.

Wrong.

Anyway, it is clear to me that you have no clue what these terms mean. Carefully read the Wikipedia article on GDP. Otherwise there is no point in us further discussing.

Perhaps when you finish doing that, you will understand why James Ibori stealing $3 billion+ from your state had more than an "inconsequential" negative effect (as if this should require anything more than common sense to see  )

Yes, the chart is discussing total GDP (the distinction between nominal versus ppp isn't going to be a big deal), not per capita GDP. Thus, it says nothing about how each individual is doing.

Beaf:
Guys, you are getting it wrong. The BBC has used GDP Purchasing power parity (PPP) which is about how much money is in the individual citizens pocket; it isn't about oil wells, but is a measure of the general economic wellbeing of each inividual.

GDP (whether PPP or nomial) doesn't measure this on an individual level. Per capita does. This is why I am saying you are wrong. GDP (whether nominal or PPP) doesn't say anything about how your typical individual is doing.

Two countries might have a GDP of $100 billion. In which one is the typical person doing better? If country A has a population of 100,000 and country B a population of 1 billion, then it is clear that country A is doing better than country B on an individual level.

For the same reasons mentioned above, Ibori's theft is inconsequencial.

I am all ears. Please explain very carefully to me how the $3 billion+ Ibori stole from your state (Delta) is inconsequential.

Beaf:
The chart clearly says GDP PPP. So all of your arguments are wrong, it isn't about oil or govt stipends, but how well off the average individual you meet on the street is.

That is NOT the point of the PPP adjustment. It measures the fact that buying (for example) groundnut in Nigeria is cheaper than it is in London. It basically adjusts for the consumer price index across nations. I don't think this Canback group (that the BBC sourced the data for) made further adjustments for PPP for each state. . . it only adjusts for Nigeria relative to the rest of the world. Not each of Ekiti State, Kaduna, etc.

@Beaf:

1) That chart isn't GDP/capita. Just GDP.
2) In any case, oil isn't the sole determinant of GDP. The economies of Lagos, Oyo, Ogun and several other states are not oil-based. Oil represents a small fraction of the overall GDP for those states. Things like real estate, agriculture, light manufacturing, etc probably make up the lion's share of the economy.
3)

Beaf:
For the same reasons mentioned above, Ibori's theft is inconsequencial.

Ibori stealing $3 billion+ has had an "inconsequential" impact on Delta State? That is roughly at least year's worth of government revenue for Delta. You don't think someone stealing an entire year's worth of state funds has a SUBSTANTIAL negative impact? 

Pweety4me:
[color=#550077]If i were a guy i'm not quite sure if i would want to wife her, i mean she's hot & that but besides that was is there?she is not that pretty facially no offense [/color]

I'm not obsessed with pretty facially. Outstanding body + average face >>>> average body + outstanding face, for me, at least as far as girls go.

I'm not attracted to hideous faces. But so long as her face is relatively normal, I won't be repulsed. Then I start evaluating on other things.

Anyway, this is the way I think. For other dudes, different things they like

Pweety4me:
[color=#550077]@ekt_bear There are loadz out there.

For play or wife material?[/color]

I know, i agree! Definitely a lot out there.

Play/wife. . . I don't think a man's preferences really change? The same types of girls he is attracted to for play (at least appearance-wise) are the same ones he wants to marry? For the most part, anyway.

Pweety4me:
[color=#550077]white chicks or black chicks? [/color]

Women with phenomenal bodies, whether black, white, pakistani, israeli, korean, ethiopian, ashanti etc.

I don't do racism/ethnicism/tribalism/etc when it comes to beautiful women  

^-- Jenifa, you never responded on colonialism

Amber Rose is a white chick with a sexy black woman's body.

I wish they made more like her. . .

kandiikane:
Noone said anything about 14 and 21,  So if by the time both of them are 40 and 47 is the age difference still too much and they are still together,

My bad on the first part, then. Regarding the second. . . we both know a 7 year age gap is different when younger than when older. Or should a 7 year old girl be dating a 14 year old boy? 10 year old girl a 17 year old? 

In my book, 17 and 24 is wrong, but 18/25, 19/26 are fine (but not recommended), 20 and 27 is perfectly fine.

If I was 100% sure that there would be no sex, then I'd be less opposed to 16/23. But 90% of the time, relationships lead to. . .

Face with no body will get boring fast.

Body with no face is perfectly fine.

My vote is for body.

Regarding Amber Rose. . . hot damn

Ranoscky:
Thank God for faceless NL. If not, am sure as hell that half of the girls here spittin flames has been slapped HARD by their numerous boyfriends before, and I bet the best they did was stil beg and say SORRY to him afterwards!

lmao

My two goto sites:
nytimes.com
wsj.com

Beaf:
Aboki MEND fighting for Aboki politics.

Aboki MEND?

Very pretty. Arms slightly too big though

Age difference is too much. 23 year olds can date 18 year olds, but not 16. If it were my sister, I wouldn't allow it to happen. Not to talk of 14 and 21

smh @ this thread

^-- Thanks!

Are you assuming all of PH would incorporated into Igboland? In any case. . .

distance between the two locations (PH and the sea) might be small, but the land is owned by another group.

lol @ the pounded yam comment above

kcjazz:
5. Bayelsa is still a poor state

This to me is amazing. One of the least populated states in naija, one of the highest earning states, but still nothing to show for it. How can that happen?

Kobojunkie, assuming that you'll once and for all verify that you are woman, you are free to stalk me any time 

@danjohn: Did you just get a black and white map then autofill each grid a certain color? What software did you use to make that map?

@Beaf: Rivers produces a lot more oil and is much better managed than Delta. You won't progress with guys like Ibori having $3 billion in his account.

@Yoruba folk: That is my own personal guess! No internet noise. It just makes sense.

Comments:
1) Likely under 8 million Ijaw in Nigeria. 5% is a better estimate than 10%.
2) #s for the three major ethnic groups, dunno. But populationwise, proly Igbo (#1), Yoruba (#2), Hausa-Fulani (#3).
3) I'm a bit surprised that they were too lazy to get updated GDP figures for states. . . using that same 2007 Canback database that they just grabbed from Wikipedia  I wish they'd been less cheap and purchased updated figures. I'd really like to know how the states stack up GDP-wise.
4) Igboland literacy rates for women, phenomenal.

Overall though, seems like a fairly decent summary of naija, I think.