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Hmm, interesting POV from Campbell.

Ya'll are so puritan

Stuff like this probably happens at every strip club on earth. And has likely been happening for 100s of years.

Isn't a new development at all. . . just how men and women are.

Fashola campaigns in rain, shuns umbrella
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Miriam Ndikanwu on 26/03/2011 04:06:00

Lagos State Governor, Mr. Babatunde Fashola, SAN yesterday expressed his
resentment for the People’s Democratic Party (PDP), as he rejected an attempt
to cover him with an umbrella under a heavy downpour.
The governor, who was drenched in the rain while addressing a crowd of Action
Congress of Nigeria (ACN) supporters at the party’s campaign rally in
Ajeromi/Ifelodun, however, assured the people that the ACN government would work
under the rain and sun to champion the cause of the nation.
According to him, "When the people who want to work come, the lazy ones and
enemies of progress will always send rain. I am not salt. I am neither scared
nor bothered by the rain. I shall remain in the rain to address you.
"Just go out and vote. I will be there in the sun. I will be there in the rain
to serve you. Your own is just to go and vote for me. Me I no be salt; I no dey
fear rain," he expressed.
Fashola’s actions drew a rousing applause from the ACN supporters, who hailed
him and sang anti-PDP songs that was supported by the popular local artiste,
Daddy Showky.
Fashola told the residents that his government had built a number of
developmental projects, including schools, roads and health centres, promising
to do more if re-elected. "Our plans for Lagos and Ajeromi/Ifelodun and its
environs are great," he said.
Earlier, the state chairman of the party, Otunba Henry Ajomale, had reiterated
that Fashola had through developmental projects done every Lagosian proud and as
such deserved their votes in the approaching election.
He warned the ACN supporters not to be provoked by the antics of the PDP,
saying they were out to intimidate and confuse them into action. "Don’t let
them provoke or confuse you. They won’t succeed because we have no problem
returning our governor as well as ensuring that all our other candidates are
voted for," he counselled.

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Zoning makes no sense.

If they plan to zone after GEJ, then it looks like:

2011-2019 - GEJ/SS
2019-2027 - North
2027-2035 - SE
2035-2043 - North
2043-2051 - SW
2051-2059 - North
2059-2067 - SS
etc

Is this a logical way to source leadership at the center? In my opinion, if you want to practice zoning, then dramatically weaken the center so that nobody cares about the presidency. Make the states and LGs stronger, federal weaker.

What I don't get is that good infrastructure in a landlocked region (the north) is only of so much value. Of more importance for the north would be a good road linking north and south. Seems to me northern political leaders didn't do a good job of achieving selfish northern interests, if that was their goal.

*subscribes*

Imo, they should vote heavily en masse against Fashola. We can then test their #s and see if they hold true. . . or if it was more empty, impotent words.

C'est la vie. Businesses violating the codes of Lagos simply gotta go.

afam4eva:
I guess they a re all traders

Heh, in a different sense than the 'trader' you know of. Though if you think about it, they are kind of doing the same things.

and they own those companies too.

Most of these are young guys/gals relatively early in their careers. Probably not feasible to own Morgan Stanley (or even have a large share of it) by age 28 or 29, lol

Anyway, long story short. . . you'll have to find someone else to sell your story/hypothesis to. I ain't buying.

@afam4eva: I've been to a few different business related conferences over the past couple months. I sort of tracked a bit the Nigerians in the audience (from their nametags.) The guys working at Goldman, Morgan Stanley, small boutique finance firms, etc. From the sample i saw, the advantage was ours.

There are also some lists of US national fellowships. There is one of them called the NSF where they publish the list of names. A few years ago, I did a quick count of names (I looked at a couple thousand names for that year.) The #s were relatively even. Here is a link to the site:

https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/grfp/AwardeeList.do?method=loadAwardeeList

You can download the list of winners for say 2010 as an excel file, go ahead and count names (if you have some time on your hands.) You can also look at the honorable mention list too, also count names.

And I'd imagine that there are more Igbos in the US than Yoruba. . . so if we are matching or exceeding your #s in these areas, then I don't see what the hubbub is about.

afam4eva:
And who says south-westerners don't trade. So according to you every south-westerner is thinking corporate including the Tomato and pepper sellers, The meat sellers. Pls guy be real. Everyone trades the only difference is that the Igbo people are better at it and do it at the highest level.

Trading in basic commodities isn't going to be very profitable. . . meat, tomato, simply too widely available. Unless you are the guy who imports from the north and ships to the south.

Regarding the latter comment, maybe, I dunno. I certainly don't see ya'll doing anything better than us here in the US. But perhaps things are different in naija.

sbeezy8:
I was thinking that exactly

theres soo MANY ELITE people in the SW sitting on Money. everyone cant be a business person some just need Jobs in the factories and up to managers.

I don't have that attitude towards factory jobs. Personally I think they are kind of 'noble', somehow. I dunno. Maybe I'm romanticizing 'em because of the impact I know they had in the US and in China.

^-- Personally what I want to do is to pack the people of the SW into factories. Go the same route the US went, from a primarily agricultural society to a manufacturing one.

There are countless stories here of uneducated immigrant types working factory jobs to send their kids to school to become doctors, lawyers, etc.

China is pretty much doing the same thing. . .

Anyway, I think we know what we need to do in the SW, just need to do it

sbeezy8:
trading not my style - reminds me of my aunties who sell things in their shops LOL

Agreed, not my style either.

Thing though is if you have a market of 18+ million people (Lagos State), then it can really be a gold mine.

But as I said. . . doesn't really add that much value to society, imo. Not much job creation, no value added (in terms of taking X, Y, and Z and making product A), etc.

sbeezy8:
If alaba boys made more money than I doubt they would even be at Alaba

Volume sorts of things like retail, trading, etc can be pretty profitable. Imagine doing $1 million worth of merchandise a week, having a gross profit margin of 1% (which is fairly small.)

Trading has a bad rep amongst Yoruba, but if you do the math can be pretty good. . . assuming you can get the volume.

I'm more interested in manufacturing though. I feel it adds more value to society than just buying and selling.

^-- Ultimately, people just have different objectives in life. Probably about 4-5 years ago, I wanted to be a professor of some sort. If I went down that route, I'd likely top out at $150-200k a year (at least in pure salary, not mentioning any side gigs/investments.)

However, recently I've decided I'd instead rather focus on making money. I'll (hopefully) top out at at least an order magnitude more in annual salary.

There is nothing wrong with either option. If one prioritizes money (as I do now), fine and well. If something else (like I did before), also good.

jason123:
Its like Yorubas are very proud of themselves and their acheivements   . Please guys, be humble. Humble yourselves.

Who in this thread has shown pride? That I like my homeland and don't want to visit someone else's means I'm arrogant   A bit illogical, no?

I reject this accusation of pride. There is nothing wrong with liking what you have.

@sbeezy8:

I feel you. There are like 5 or 10 cities in the US which I'd consider settling longterm. Imagine if some jackass wants me to add names to the list just to massage his ego?

People have a lot of gall. If you don't like, go hug a transformer

What exactly is going on here

If I don't want to visit the SE, I have "hatred for Eastern Nigeria"? Look, Calabar is fine, I'd like to visit there. Port Harcourt is a swell city, I like it too. But me not having much interest in going to the SE means I'm hating "Eastern Nigeria"?

When did it become by force to go there?

Do ya'll work for the ministry of tourism, or something?  Why the defensiveness and insecurity? Digressing into stories about "extreme restraint", etc.

If you like it better than the SW (or elsewhere in naija), fine. . . nothing spoil.

Man, next some dude from Utah is going to tell me I'm racist against Mormons because I've no interest in going there. . . when did the world start revolving around you

Very sad

She is so sexy. Hot damn!

And that is after 4 kids?

I'm not sure it makes sense to discriminate against Indian buyers.

Just need to screen prospective buyers a bit more, make sure they are sufficiently qualified.

Wouldn't be surprised if this backfires massively on the incumbent PDP governor. Locking up opposition leaders hardens the hearts of your opponent

^--- A better idea: How about you go F yourself.

This is one aspect of naija that is sorta cool to me. You'll see 40 and 50 year old youth leaders, 35 year old guys in youth groups, etc

I guess you don't become middle-aged in naija until 60

Crude Oil:
Anyone who says the girl is not beautiful is an imbecíle.

+1

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=631461.msg7986380#msg7986380 date=1301080013]Let is be known that the Hausa are in great numbers in the East. Some have lived for generations. Go to Onitsha and Aba and you will find many Hausa. If they can live in the East, why can't Yoruba?

People shouldn't be afraid of the East. The only state I would consider dangerous is Abia state right now. And not all parts of Abia.[/quote]What sort of moronic reasoning is this  Why aren't Americans moving to Mexico or Canada in large #s?

That Hausa man is inclined to move away from his region to one he finds more attractive means Yoruba should move into a region they don't find attractive  Abuja, certain cities in the SS, all well. US, Canada, etc, swell. But why on earth would you one move en masse to Igboland. . . when in fact people are moving en masse out?

In any case, go sell your story to a customer who is likely to buy. Yoruba largely aren't interested. No offense intended, but it is what it is.

londoner:
Lol, less likely to get robbed in Lagos than Enugu, I don't think so at all.

Lagos is still Lagos, and it is still one of the most crime ridden cities in Nigeria.

Perception is another issue, but thats why people should venture out of their own land and actually see other parts of the country for themselves.

It is what it is. Why bother testing all perceptions? I don't need to go to the projects to test for myself if it is a dangerous part of town. If a cardinal sef has to flee to avoid being kidnapped (http://africansynod2romecath..com/2010/01/cardinal-francis-arinze-flees-nigerian.html), why on earth should I go there? There is nothing there I need anyway.

So what is the point?

Ekt Bear, It has nothing to do with people selling their lives cheaply. You are simply afraid.

*shrug* It is what it is. If me not going to the bad parts of DC also makes me "afraid", so be it.

Let Igboland be safe for Igbos, then others too might be interested in visiting or vacationing.

jason123:
Yoruba man and fear!!! . An Igbo man will go anywhere in the SW or North, life or no life!!!

Err:
1) That is a silly attitude. Some might want to sell their lives cheaply enough to seek profit in Libya as well. . . but that isn't me. I have options, heh.
2) SW is simply safer from a crime perspective. You are less likely to get kidnapped/robbed/etc there than the SE. I'm not trying to be a d1ck, but that is just reality. If Igbos are hesitant to go to their own homeland for fear of being kidnapped, why should I be foolish enough to go there? I can document this with evidence too, if you'd like. . .

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=631461.msg7985859#msg7985859 date=1301074517]Yes we shall be one big happy family. You all are welcomed to visit Enugu, Onitsha and Port Harcourt. Let us all unite and stop with this constant bickering. It is unbecoming. And VERY bad for business.[/quote]PH is fine. Enugu and such. . . well, I value my life, lol.

Once the security situation there becomes better, then sure.

On a related note, for those actually on the ground in Ondo. . . how well is Mimiko governing? Is he doing well?