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eph12:
See your Henry here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y_FDPmcJY0

This is a spontaneous response from a rebound, unlike when one had to expect a pass. Moreover, Henry didn't give Assists to opponents in the match. So, not same stuff.

raumdeuter:
Provide the numbers not polling booth numbers from votes
Just yesterday Hazard was given MOTM in a match Chelsea scored 3 goals and he had no hand in any of the goals

Provide goas and assists for Hazard pre Mourinho and during Mourinho

But Hazard was the best player of that match na. It was easy to see.

eph12:
Another day that clearance would have been successful. Is this his first clearance? Has something like this happened before to him? Is it something he does regularly? What is it na?

You shoot into bodies instead of shooting into the sky, and hope it to be successful?

eph12:
You have introduced another thing into your arguments like you always do. Did they also have horrible miss yes or no? How does their solo goals change the fact that they also failed to score goals people were already celebrating for?

Give us an example where Shearer or Henry gave two Assists to opponents, missed a clear cut chance unmarked from 6 yards, and drove a counter to an opponent who wasn't even expecting to catch up.

eph12:
I was talking about Ferdinand's own goals. You claim no United players have done what Lukaku did. His offence was to try clear the ball but ricochet back. If he hadn't touched the ball, the city player behind him would have scored the goal. His poor nodding for the first goal is the only one I can have his head for.

If it were so common to make such mistahes, Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry, etc would have stamp opponents 100 times in their career. Or our previous strikers.

It was a bad clearance. He could have used his head by moving two steps forward while the ball was in flight. He could have used his stronger foot. Evra used one leg to clear throughout.

eph12:
Every great striker must have had horrible misses, even Shearer and Henry

Lukaku no fit score solo goals wey those guys score o.

I don't know about their misses, but I am sure those guys won big matches for their clubs scoring impossible goals and clear cut chances with aplomb.

eph12:
Seriously or you just want to argue? Did you watch Ferdinand score own goals?

Look for the video that shows it from the angle in first screenshot below.

Not the second angle.

You would see that the keeper was already moving away from his tight post into the middle and Lukaku still shot into the middle. He didn’t try to direct it.

codedguy1:
Thank you. why is no one blaming mata who also missed the rebound. he is supposed to have had a clearer picture of the situation.

Yes, Mata's miss was terrible. I told my friends that I felt Mata who has very good ball direction should have placed that ball beyond the keeper neatly. His miss was also very bad.

The first time, I didn’t think Lukaku's miss was very terrible. But watching it from youtube, I think a sharp striker like him with his stronger foot, should have placed that ball beyond the the keeper. But he stamped the keeper who was about the middle of the goal. From youtube, I agree with Shearer and Henry. Lukaku missed it badly. Shearer said that is the difference between good and very good strikers

eph12:
I watched the highlight and saw that Lukaku clearance was blocked by another united player. What should he have done instead?

The chance he missed was saved by the keeper. If it was De Gea that made that save you would have been hailing him instead of cussing the striker.

Ronaldo has passed over a thousand balls to the opponents. Kante even passed to ghost last weekend.

Unbelievable!!!

Since you have been watching United, how many times have you seen a United player stamp his man in such a manner in our box? Saha, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov, Van Persie, Ibrahimovic, etc. And in same match Lukaku chested down for Silva.

No need sef. Bye!

eph12:
Ibra couldn't score open net
The team don't create enough chances compared to the top teams including Southampton
He is still looking up to Fellaini when we need players with flair in the middle of the pitch.
No wonder he bought Lukaku

Ibrahimovic is old, and was brought to fill a gap in the transition.

If Lukaku cannot take the mantle of leading the line for the future Manchester United, let us get Aubameyang. We can still get Costa who might service us for two years.

CapitalCee:
And in addendum, let's imagine Pogba and was not injured and KDB and Silva were out for 2 months, due to injury. And then KDB again was suspended for the Manchester derby, may be we might be looking at another different Table. Mind you this is not a defence for Jose.

They don't consider the injuries.

eph12:
Mou shouldn't even be leading the system from your analysis

Tell me how

raumdeuter:
Was it not injuries that finished LvG and Man Utd also? Or why did Rashford Fosu Mensah and co start playing regularly

I remembered the day Rashford started vs Arsenal. Man Utd had no striker available.

In 2015/16 No team including City never faced the type of injury crisis Man Utd and van gaal faced. Maybe if LvG too didnt have all these injuries Man Utd could have finished stronger

Gaal's United were never title contenders even when the team was full at the first weeks/months of the season. So we cannot say injury affected their chances of winning the league.

But Manchester City were the best team and on top of the league. Even at Christmas, they were 3 points below Leicester. City would have won the league, but injuries prevented them. Same cant be said about Gaal.

Guardiola inherited a far better and stable team.

eph12:
Ibra was one of our problems last season. He couldn't score an open net against city at Old Trafford.

Didn't perform as in couldn't score? How many big chances has he lost per game compared to other top strikers?

From your analysis, Lukaku is not fit to play in the system.

raumdeuter:
LMAO So you believe the gang up story? Chelsea players ganged up against him, Madrid players ganged up against him, I am sure if he gets sacked by Man Utd, we will hear how someone ganged up against him, Maybe its the FA, the players, the media the fans or the grass

Guardiola inherited a team that was past it. How many games has Kompany played since Pep took over, Its like saying Mourino inherited Carrick

Mourinho and Ronaldo are the most disliked individuals in football. In Spain, referee were against Madrid just because of Mourinho. Casilas and Pepe were not happy with their bench roles, so they sought ways to tear the team.

In England, refs still fight him. Some players don't like him too. If he benches Lukaku or Pogba, you would see gang up.

Guardiola inherited a far more quality team than United. If q have Silva alone in my team, I will be very confident. Then add Aguero, De Bruyne and Kompany.

Compare to academy player like Rashford and Martial who was still trying to know which was his best wing under Gaal. Martial started playing as a striker under Gaal, but soon lost it and was learning to play in the wing.

elrony:
Elampiro still dey ontop Lukaku matter?






Revenge time!!!!

I have forgotten about Lukaku. But it is an act of corruption to shift his poor performance to Mourinho.

Corruption: Like when a thief is caught, then at night the thief gets substituted with another person and set free. Na Mourinho give two Assists against DeGea? Abi na Mourinho missed clear cut chance for last minute? Abi na Mourinho carry ball run pass to opponent while gifted acre of space alone? Abi na Mourinho tell am to enter ghost mode?

raumdeuter:
The team Conte made first in record time was the same one Mourinho took to relegation and was complaining how poor they were
City finished 4th in 66 points, Man Utd finished just goals difference behind City same 66points
How can a person who inherited DDG Martial Mata Rashford, Blind, Shaw, Jones, Herrera and say its a poorer team

Before either Pep or Mou took over LvG beat City twice and drew once. But we are to believe City is better

Mourinho won the league with that same team Conte inherited. The players gang up against him the next season because Mourinho sacked their doctor. Some of them allegedly had informal relationship with her. They met at nights.

But Mourinho inherited a vastly inexperienced team without active leaders.

How can you compare any of the players you listed above to Aguero, Silva,L and Kompany. Not to add Fernadinho and De Bruyne. Abeg Guardiola inherited a very experienced team.

eph12:
When we win we hail the coach and when we lose the coach should take the blame too. It is not even about the result but the fact that these players can't fight to win the ball back, exchange passes and pile up pressure on the opposition goal. We have shown we can do that when on a goal down. Why can't we maintain it throughout the match? Why do the players pass as if they don't train? It's as if the enrgy is not there, so we prefer to win the ball back in front of our goal instead of taking the fight to them. Mind you that we are not complaining because of the result because we made same observation when we won 4-0. So it is not as if we hail the coach when we win and call for his removal when we lose. The signs were there that teams that dare to attack will deal with us. Ibra was there last season when we struggled. You made excuses for Rooney that we were creating half chances and he had a back problem. Now it's Lukaku's turn the team is perfect but the striker is killing the team. Lukaku has never been a skilful player, he shouldn't be far from the goal as he does not have the energy to burst into the 18 for 90 minutes and run round the pitch like some other strikers. His limitations has always been there. But when City play us half field, have twice our possesion, the problem is Lukaku

Then Lukaku is not fit to play for is. Ibrahimovic didn’t play in the box throughout last season. We should get someone who can fit into the system.

Buy again Lukaku has played in the box in certain matches and still didn’t perform.

Eruditor:
Has Mou finished above Man City too? If he does not (which looks most likely) he would have spent 2 seasons like LVG without finishing above City.

City last won the league 2013/14 the year after Fergie left. So this assertion about them being more recent as winners albeit true is neither here nor there.

That team you call wonderful were 2nd after that and 4th; in other words, they were declining. You want to praise that team all of a sudden and claim Mou did not inherit a good team.

Rashford, Martial who brought/bought them? Luke Shaw? Who made De Gea stay back? Herrera? LVG was never given a chance yet you easily give Mou one with nothing to show for it.

This current city team without Mendy, Kompany, Aguero (at some point), Stones etc has stayed fit? Because you want to excuse Mou?

Again, this argument about closing gap can be made my Pellegrini but nobody made it for him because he stayed only one season. In Mou's 3 years in Madrid he won 1 league, 1 copa, 1 kings cup. In that time frame Barca won 2 league titles, 1 UCL, 1 CWC, 1 European Super Cup, 1 copa, 2 king cups. Closing the gap indeed.

And BTW, he was packing the bus as well even with RM against Barca.

I am not knocking on his acumen as a manager as he is up there. But you are giving excuses for him but would rather blame everyone else. This is corruption. This is diabolical.

You were trying to tell me Gaal beat City, so I showed you that despite that, he always finished below City. Where does Mourinho come in here?

City have always been title contenders. The season before Guardiola came, 2014/2015, City were top of the table in the beginning of the season. Injury finished them. Even during Christmas, they were just three points below Leicester.

If Silva, Kompany, Aguero, De Bruyne, etc stayed fit even for 70% of the season, City would have won the league.

raumdeuter:
We have also not forgotten how much he has spent. Do you know where Conte picked Chelsea from? 10th position, Do you know where Pep picked City from 4th with 66 points Carling cup winner, Do you know where Mourinho picked Man Utd from? 5th with 66points FA cup winner.

Mourinho inherited young gems like Martial, Rashford, inherited Mata, Jones, Herrera DDG that is a core of a team that is average 25yrs and very talented. Did Pep inherit such? rather he inherited Old geriatrics like Zabaleta, Sagna Clichy Navas Kolarov, Kompany Yaya Joke Hart

Like eruditor said, Van gaal did not finish above City in 2yrs and the way its going Mourinho will not finish above City as well

Conte inherited title winning team. We could almost say same for City.

Finishing 6th and 4th in one or two seasons is nothing compared to United that has struggled since 2013.

Mourinho inherited far poorer team than Conte and Guardiola

eph12:
Who bought Lukaku? Who refused to sign a RW that can stretch play and open up spaces? Who refused to get a midfielder that can deputise or play alongside Pogba?

It's not easy to sign players like that. Mourinho signed Pogba, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Lukaku and Ibrahimovic. He gave a list of more players to the club, but these players are it available.

Mourinho is the the first manager trying to genuinely fix our midfield since 2006. SAF kept saying, players like Scholes and Giggs don't fall from the tree.

CapitalCee:
When people like Van gaal who spent almost 300m and sold most of our good players for peanuts, yet can't win matches convincingly and can't go far in any European completion, not minding scrapping top 4 or finishing out of if completely , can talk that means my club is in deep shit

Manchester United under Van Gaal

United 78% possession
Opponent 22% possession

United 592 passes, 84% completed
Opponent 106 passes, 57% completed

Mid way into the second half. Scores at 0-0 and United fans shouting "attack" "attack" "attack"

Eruditor:
In 4 meetings over 2 seasons he beat them twice and drew Twice, LVG.

Mou beat City in Carling cup where they fielded their reserves.

Mou was 8 points or more behind Pep in his first season at Real and won the league by 9 points his next season 100 to 91 (largely because Barca lost the last game of that season). If you call that closing the gap it is simply because he was given time.

Pelle finished on 96 points his first and only season at Real to Barca's 99 yet nobody praised him for closing the gap even when the next manager, Mou escorted Pep to the league and UCL.

You say City were previous champs but that was only 1 season after Fergie retired. They finished 2nd and then 4th (equal points with LVG) just before Pep. LVG even won the FA Cup which is a bigger trophy than the Carling cup.

You are just excusing Mou and blaming the players - especially Lukaku- Unfairly.

Did LVG ever finished above Manchester City? No

The fact is that City won the league more recently and have been very strong contenders. In 2015/2016 when they looked weak, they had injuries to their most important players- Silva, Kompany, Zabeleta. Even De Bruyne and Aguero were not left out.

Sometimes the team that has less injuries flourish. Leicester were able to win the league because their key players stayed fit. Same with City team of 2011/12. Currently the City team has stayed injury free unlike Manchester United.

On Mourinho at Madrid, whether you like it or not, Mourinho closed the gap. Ferguson played that Barca team four times, all were defensive, even the 2008 semi final legs.

But is it to defend Lukaku you people hate on Mourinho?

It is a shame. This is corruption.

dubylhover:
that's just one ugly fact that most peeps don't want to face..Perez had been spending millions every transfer window for more than 7 years,with time they finally had d right balance with quality and also good depth,when the oil people took over city and started spending,d result wasn't that immediate,yes they bought some useless players along the way but they also bought world class players,now look at where city is with the right coach and real quality players they have started reaping d dividends...look at psg also its not now their spending started,but look at d team they have now,all these things take time..

d fact is that we don't have that quality any longer,it should b a dilemma that all d top 6 we faced without pogba we didn't win,but d ones pogba played,we won..it goes to show that even if the team doesn't play well on a particular day,you'd still need individual brilliance..

we are getting left behind

City still have had leaders all these years. Aguero, Silva and Kompany. For us, Vidic, Rooney, Fedinand have since tired.

I think SAF was slow to replace Scholes, Giggs and Carrick, which is the problem we face today. Mourinho is the first manager trying to fix our midfield. Matic and Pogba are the most sensible additions since Carrick (2006).

The truth is you need to build a team over some years to hit top gear. City, PSG, Tottenham have been building. United is close to finishing another rebuilding process. In that process, some players will not fit into the system. Even some very good players might not fit in.

Eruditor:
This is effectively a lie.

LVG beat City 4-2, and later 1-0 at their ground in his second season. That second season City only finished above United on goals difference - they had equal points.

This myth that City have greater players is simply untrue. The core of that 2011 team have since waned starting from 2014/15.

In fact, it was so bad that City in Pelle's last season lost;

Twice to Leicester
Twice to Liverpool
Twice to West Ham
United beat them and drew
Arsenal beat them and drew

They could not beat any top 6 team that season and enjoyed serendipity in the Champions league which papered over the cracks.

If United were far behind when the season began the bookies won't have been as polarized as they were then.

Mou is realizing that the siege mentality he used for the underdogs he coached in the past (Porto, Chelsea and Inter Milan) will no longer work in dominant brands because the fans will ask for more. Look at his time in Real Madrid, second stint with Chelsea and now United for evidence.

One time out of how many meetings?

Even relegation team can sometimes have a good day.

Even Mourinho also beat City last season in FA cup. I don't count that as dominance

raumdeuter:
Delph Sterling, Stones were players ridiculed previously. Actually about 60% of people even forgot about Delph until like September this season

You cant say Delph was better than Fellaini, Herrera. Fernandinho Matic na the same thing, Pogba can do what KDB does if given the role and freedom,

Matial and Rashford are better than Sterling and Sane if played in the right system, Mata or Mikitaryan while not as intelligent as Silva, they can give 70% of his output in the right system.

You will give Pep a young team like Shaw, Martial Rashford Herrera, DDG. Now add a marquee signing like Pogba and 75M striker (Not named Lukaku), 40M defender like Lindelof or Bailly and everyone wont be hailing the type of football

When last did Manchester United finished above Manchester City?

When last did Manchester United dominated Manchester City in a match?

Even when we beat City under SAF in 2011/12 in FA cup after losing two league matches, City held us half field.

In 2012/2013, City played us half field even when we best them 3-2. The return leg they beat us after dominating us.

City has the better players since 2011. They gave gradually been using the Champions League to get quality experience even before Guardiola came. Guardiola has the better players. Truth be told.

elrony:
We played far worse than those two games, considering we were away from home, there's no way you you'd paint it otherwise.

Like I said earlier in my posts, I won't blame our players for yesterday rather the coward manager

Stop shifting blame to Mourinho.

Manchester City 5 Liverpool 0
Manchester City 3 Arsenal 1
Leicester 0 Manchester City 2
Chelsea 0 Manchester City 1


Mourinho lost 1-2 to a team that had won 6-0, 7-2, 5-0, due to Lukaku's cluelessness and you exonerate the culprit?

The tactics was working until Lukaku spoilt it.

Hakeem66:
If he had done that and city still scored from the corner or header,you would have still blamed him for not using his right foot. I only blame Mourinho for what we are passing through,his tactics are nauseating and cowardice and it's affecting the players. Herrera, miki and even Lukaku form is bn affected by his tactics and I bet you that these guys and they whole team will improve under a coach like Pochetino.

It's a lie, if he played it out of touch, no one would have blamed him. You guys are shifting blame to Mourinho.

elrony:
Elampiro yes lukaku was a calamity of his own,very terrible.

Tell me any half decent thing we played as a team yesterday, except equalising?

We played far better than we played against Arsenal and Liverpool. There were some calculations and instances to go forward to threaten.

raumdeuter:
I wont really blame Lukaku for the attempted clearance with ricocheted off Matic into the path of Otamendi. The fact still remains he and the attack doesnt get enough chances and feed off scraps.

Watch that video again, it would have made more sense for Lukaku to count two steps forward to head that ball away instead of clearing into danger zone with his left foot.

Matic uses one foot, but he uses it to work like he has two. The other player I could be scared of making a similar mistake is Valencia. But so far he has done well.

Why did he even use his weak foot in such spinning ball into out box? Head away or use your left or use your left to turn the ball into corner kick.

elrony:
He had a very terrible game yesterday no doubt. So did the rest of the team minus De Gea nobody was exceptional.

The rest of the team did not have a terrible day. You guys should stop saying this just to cover up for Lukaku.

The guys were doing well, more than Arsenal’s match, until Lukaku gave an Assist. We were already going to half time. Rashford still scored (Lukaku would have missed that) and scores stood at 1-1. Lukaku had a great chance to set up a clear cut chance, he conceded a self accident. Then game a second Assist and finally failed to level.

Ibrahimovic did better, Rashford scored, Martial played with confidence. Valencia and Young were doing okay. Herrera worked hard. Lukaku was on a calamity of his own.