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An example of 'forcing it'

hoopLA:
When you are done you will put those two worn out bits of flesh on your chest back in the place where they rightfullly belong.

And you call yourself a real man? A responsible man? You continually use what God created in women's body to attack them?

Why not tackle issues instead of attacking people?

Any other matter?

I want to close from this thread today. I wish Lukaku and the team all the best.

chrisley024:
I didn't want to talk about this anymore but just to know, where did you pull this out from Source pls?
I am using squawka but sees only 2 blocks for Luk and 1 for Kane and 13 clearances for both.

Same here. Dakho has 2 tackles and 1 interception the whole season according to what I see from squawka. http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/romelu_lukaku/819/819/897/38/p|premier_league/2017/2018/harry_kane/819/819/856/47/p|premier_league/2017/2018/diafra_sakho/819/819/15035/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/sergio_ag%C3%BCero/819/819/564/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/%C3%A1lvaro_morata/819/819/1847/0/p#key_passes/successful_take_ons_%/total_forward_passes/defence_score/interceptions/blocks/tackles_won/pass_completion/aerial_duels_won/clearances#total

So I'd like to know where you're pulling these numbers from.

Squawka doesn't know what the clock is saying. How can you rely on such a website that feeds its update manually and late.

I am giving from two sources that feed live and automatically from opta as matches are played. Not even a minute late.

lekkie073:
elampiro, is it true dat Murray scored in a game utd won by a goal to nil

I didn’t mince my words the first time brought the Brighton vs Manchester united game. Murray played at half line and Lukaku played in the box and still didn’t score. Murray is currently beating Lukaku in goals per minutes. Therefore, playing at half line in big games is not a license to have a poor overall goals return.

Again, I brought lowly rated strikers who scored against big teams playing at half line. Therefore the excuse that Lukaku cannot score because he plays at half line is null and void.

We also saw that Lukaku has low pass accuracy in opposition's half when compared to opposing strikers. His passing accuracy is very high in our own half, but poor in opposition's half.

Lastly, I exposed Lukaku as one not involved in defensive duties when compared to other strikers in the league.

I think I am done with this.

slimghost:
people laugh at Elamps but it's clear enough he is arguing with FACTS.
We complained that Lukaku has not been scoring enough, some confused Football Einsteins attributed it to him having plenty defensive duties (which is quite a juvenile claim and laughable ).
Elamps now brought out stats to show players with more defensive duties scoring more than their god Lukaku.
Still they don't get it!

You guys can argue all you want but every real UTD fan truly knows Lukaku has not performed reasonably well so far.
I cannot spend a fortune to purchase an amphibious vehicle and when I realize the vehicle can only be used on land and complain to the company, they will SIMPLY tell me " it's because it runs faster on ground".
Damn it! I bought the damn car for a reason!

That said, I am quite sure Lukaku will come good but it's pure MADNESS for anybody to tell me not to criticize him when he serves us shitt.

I am with you 100%"

We are all Lukaku fans, but it doesn't mean we cant analyse his game.

We are not saying our style of play doesn't affect his goal scoring. But inside that style of play there are many things he could do in certain situations to help the team. He has failed in those aspects.

We have shown them stats to prove he is lagging behind on goals. We have shown them charts to prove that playing at half line is not a license not to score. We have shown them stats to prove that he is lacking in defensive duties.

They have run out of ideas and some of them have resorted to insults, like the guy with the moniker "hoopLA". He thinks I am disturbed by his insults. He cannot argue with 10 people and add that to his primary life duty. If he tries it, his brain will cease, yet he wants to pick on my Glenn Murray mistake, the same Glenn Murray I clearly said he didn't score against us the first time I mentioned him.

HoopLA decided to resort to insults because he knows he cannot match my superior arguments. People who insult during debates lack ideas.

Morata has 8 blocks in far less playing time. He also beat Lukaku on Tackles and Interceptions

Blocks distribution also shows Morata has more shots blocked than passes blocked. On the other hand, Lukaku has more passes blocked than shots blocked.

chrisley024:
Lukaku has better blocks almost double than Kane. Just as I pointed out, teams that press high from front will force mistakes which are reflected in the interception and tackles. Off all these strikers, Lukaku is just behind Aguero and Kane in defence score and the best in aerial duels won.
I cannot compare this season and last cos of many reasons.

Let me take your last statement as trolling cos even Lingard has a far better defence score. I'm done with this merry-go-round.

You are looking at the wrong stats.

Lukaku has 7 blocks in the EPL
Kane has 7 blocks

Kane played less minutes.

Kane has 13 clearances and Lukaku 12

Stats just showed me Lukaku receives more scoring chances per minutes played than Lacazette and Sterling.

Yet, he is behind in goals scored per minutes played.

Another excuse please.

raumdeuter:
Is this not easy to see

It doesn't make sense. What has chances created got to do with defensive duties?

chrisley024:
Not unexpected. Logically, teams that play high line are more likely to have their strikers make more interceptions unlike teams that stay back and isolate their striker. How is he gonna make interception in the midst of 3-4 players? Same with tackles.

When compared to Laca, Jesus, Aguero and Giroud in defensive work per mins:
Blocks - Lukaku is 1st
Clearances - 2nd behind Giroud, and dude is even 1st in aerial duels won.


It is Klopp's style and he uses 3 upfront for this cos only a player cannot do it. Reason Jose is now using Lingard cos of Mhki laziness

Kane has the better record on blocks. The only person I had the time to compare with Lukaku's record per minutes. Yet he has better defensive record than Lukaku.

Lukaku is not isolated in small games. How come Ibrahimovic (from last season) has better defensive record than Lukaku. Is it not same team?

But you mean Lukaku is no longer playing at half line with defensive duties but isolated upfront? What is defensive duties if it is to just stay at half line?

From what we see now, Lukaku is the one making Mkhitaryan poor.

eph12:
Very simple! Those teams play better and create more chances.

Arsenal has created 207 chances, City and Liverpool 200, Chelsea 170 but United 149

What has chances created got to do with defensive stats?

These guys beat Lukaku in attacking and defensive stats per game. Even players who don't get 90 minutes.

eph12:
Could this be why Firmino has just 5 goals and 2 assists compared to Lukaku's 8 goals and 4 assists?

Tell me why all Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City players have better defensive stats than Lukaku. Aguero, Lacazette, Gabriel, Morata, these are players ahead of Lukaku on scoring.

All Liverpool players have higher defensive stats than Lukaku, except Salah. Lukaku beat Salah slightly on tackle while Salah beat him on Interception

Firmino has defensive stats of a defender. Very high

chrisley024:
Big lie! The picture you painted is over exaggerated just as you claimed his last performance was woeful. A striker that has fallen short in all aspects cannot have 8 goals and 4 assists even when we all see he now spends more time outside the opponent's box, drags defenders out and opening spaces for our attackers to score as we see in Martial and Lingard scoring. Dude is average in his technical abilities which is obvious to everyone before we got him and he is improving on that.

And I don't know how missing a pen translates to 'he misses penalties' just to score cheap points just as you claimed Murray scored at OT.

He scored 7 of those goals in the first 6 weeks of the season. Since then he has fallen short.

Since beginning of the season, Lukaku has not made one single Interception.
On defensive stats, all Arsenal and City players beat Lukaku.

sinizia:
So it means Ukaku had no chance to miss any goal against Loserfool? You see what we're talking about? Meaning he didn't even see a defensive error to score from? So you see why Ukaku couldn't score like Joselu?

He squandered the chance to have a one vs one (not that he had a one vs one and missed o) against Arsenal, it's just one. But he played a part in Lingard's goal. He's not perfect, and he'll miss goals. Morata actually had one vs one against Atletico and missed it. So you see, strikers do miss chances.

I've criticised Ukaku before for being technically limited. We knew this before we bought him. Last match, Ukaku did one-two with a team-mate, linked well with his team-mates too. He's not a top striker, but there's room for improvement. He's trying, maybe not as we expected, but he's trying. Let's give him some time.

He is not having those chances because he is poor.

The other players from small teams who scored against big teams, also didn't have chances. They forced it.

Lukaku has had chances against top teams and didn't score.

raumdeuter:
Rashford has scored 1 goal in 3 months.
Take away penalties, Aguero has not scored since September

Lukaku went on a longer spell than Aguero because Aguero missed 3 weeks of football. Or let's say he played 4 matches in a period Lukaku played 8

Aguero still scored in a crucial Champions League match. It is not a problem not to score from open in 4 matches.

raumdeuter:
What of Mata, Mikitaryan Rashford? are they not Man Utd attackers?

Rashford hasnt scored a league goal since early September over 3months now

No one has flogged anybody for criticizing Rashford or Mkhitaryan. But the reason we have a week long argument is because some said we shouldn't criticize Lukaku whose sole responsibility is to score.

sinizia:
Too much reliance on stats is bad. A month ago Adelana posted a stat that showed that Iago Aspas and about 3 other strikers scored goals that "won their teams more points" than Messi, Suarez and C. Ronaldo.

An unintelligent football analysts will foolishly declare Aspas as a better striker than Messi and Co. Afterall his goals were more "important" and Messi /CR7 were scoring "unimportant" league goals. But we know better.

Morata scored more "important" goals than Benzema, but Benzema is the top striker at Madrid till now while he's sold off.

Too much dependent on stats is bad. Cisse was scoring for fun for Newcastle in his debut season, using your analogy, he shouldn't had stop scoring for fun the next season.

Nothing is constant, Bro. Suarez was once prolific, right now he looks like the ghost of the real Suarez.

Murray might come January and even stop scoring for 10 matches in a row. Nothing is constant.

There is a difference in using stats to give report AS AT a given date and using stats to generalize (the future)

You have to understand that I am not using stats to tell that Lingard or Murray or Fellaini is a better scorer than Lukaku. We are saying that we are justified with these stats that Lukaku is currently poor and we have the right to complain.

His pass at opposition half, for instance, is a disgrace. His goals vs top scorers is way behind. His goals per minutes played is a disaster. He has scored one goal since September ending, and they said we should not talk.

raumdeuter:
What you havent shown is to bring the same opponent, same location for a big team striker and compare the heat maps to Lukaku

I will help you with one

Aguero heatmaps vs Watford away vs Lukaku heatmaps vs Watford away

See Aguero was more in the opponent box than Lukaku, Also How many times did Aguero have heatmaps in the City half of the field, Now compare to Lukaku going as far back as Left back of his team

That is your number 9 spending considerable time in his own half even as far back as left back

Don’t worry, I will give you one tomorrow. I saw some this afternoon.

But is Martial and Lukaku not to playing in same team? Why is Martial scoring well per minutes played?

eph12:
Like Murray scoring from the halfway line at Old Trafford abi?

That is just a mistake in typing. You guys are now too many. Too many arguing against me alone. You guys don't want to accept truth and facts.

chrisley024:
This is what happens when you hold stats like it's the gospel truth instead of watching the game. Giroud was a better striker last season than Costa and Aguero according to you.


There is a reason scouts go to the field of play to watch instead of just staying in the comfort of their homes and making conclusion just via stats.

Lol. A game we won by 1 nil. I'm beginning to think you don't watch games or you need to take a chilled zobo and come back later

There is a reason scouts go to the field of play to watch instead of just staying in the comfort of their homes and making conclusion just via stats.

Lol. A game we won by 1 nil. I'm beginning to think you don't watch games or you need to take a chilled zobo and come back later[/quote]

chrisley024:
This is what happens when you hold stats like it's the gospel truth instead of watching the game. Giroud was a better striker last season than Costa and Aguero according to you.


There is a reason scouts go to the field of play to watch instead of just staying in the comfort of their homes and making conclusion just via stats.

Lol. A game we won by 1 nil. I'm beginning to think you don't watch games or you need to take a chilled zobo and come back later

Lukaku has fallen short in all aspects. He cannot play, he has weak pass accuracy in opposition's half, he misses penalties and has not been scoring recently.

elrony:
As expected by oga Heavyweight Tuwo Chinkafa pundit!!

You've failed to tell me how "Murray beats Lukaku hands down ". If you can't stay in the discourse, own up and let your L be delivered at your doorsteps without shipping fee!

Not like I'm Chris Hughton who felt Murray wasn't deserving of total minutes of 13 matches, Oga heavyweight can you prove that Murray wold have outscored Lukaku if they had the same minutes? Shey you think football is 1 + 1 abi!


Show us how "Murray beats Lukaku hands down " when Attacking stats have shown otherwise.

Elampiro "stats are facts"

Sorry, I cannot help you if you see facts and still dispute them.

sinizia:
Cool. Now, describe one or two chances Ukaku got against Loserfool and missed. I want to see the chance he got.

Against Newcastle, it's a defensive error that gave Joselu that goal. Which defensive error did Loserfool commit against us and when Ukaku got it, he missed?

I'm waiting for your reply.

Lukaku has had better opportunity than the defensive errors you mentioned. Against Arsenal he used his hand to squander a chance to go meet keeper one vs one.

There are times he could have done one-two with his team mates, but he didn’t have the awareness. Kane would be praying for such.