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raumdeuter:
You are mentioning Sallah why not Aguero Jesus Morata lacazette these are top strikers for top 6 clubs and how do they compare to Lukaku

He mentioned Salah first.

But to respond to you, Aguero, Morata, etc are currently outscoring Lukaku. Some of them have goals every 84 minutes or 90 minutes. Lukaku has every 160 minutes.

Then people said other gets 3 chances to score a goal. That Lukaku gets half chance to score.

I dug deep, I saw they all have same number of chances he to score. The other guys have not missed more big chances than Lukaku.

I thought I was going to see Aguero has missed 20 big chances, Salah 25 big chances, Lukaku 0 big chance.

eph12:
Even the try your luck shot will be counted here. Give me a stat for big chance received, oh wait you already did and it proved nothing, in fact it favors the argument for Lukaku

It doesn't. You guys said other strikers have 3X the chances of Lukaku. Then I proved you guys wrong.

If you notice, I never had problems with Lukaku not scoring, his mediocre play as a big striker striker the issue.

eph12:
Big chance or half chance?

Any chance. A chance is created when a shot is taken.

Big chance or Clear cut chance is when a player is reasinably should score. Like when one vs one with keeper or free header at close rage or tap in.

raumdeuter:
See Aguero who people will call one of the best strikers has missed more chances than Lukaku despite being out for a while because of rib injury he got from an accident

DO you guys think if Lukaku was in City to be tapping in goals, he wont have more than the number of goals he has? a top strikers scoring rate is usually about 30% meaning for every 3 clear cut chance they score 1

That means you need to give him more, Not expect him to score 2 out of 2

Statistics show these strikers get almost same number of chances per 90 minutes. Aguero has scored more goals than Lukaku. Same with Salah. If you watch some of the goals of these guys, you see hardwork before they score. Sometimes they beat their markers to score. But Lukaku just want to be fed.

Give him the ball to outpace his marker, he runs into touchline, same position Salah would leave two markers behind.

Set him free to run from outside the box into it, he takes a heavy touch the allows the keeper the advantage, same position Aguero would beat the keeper.

Cause trouble to defenders like Sakho did today, he would not be seen except the ball mistakenly lands on him.

raumdeuter:
Which stats showed that Lukaku get more chances than Kane Aguero Lacazette Morata and others

I am not sure you read what I wrote. Lukaku missed more CLEAR CUT CHANCES than Kane. He missed same region as Aguero, Lacazette and Morata. They all outscored him.

raumdeuter:
Lukaku is made to do more work than all these Kane Aguero Lacazette Jesus and Morata. Most of the time they are in the box waiting to pounce whle Lukaku is expected to be in the half way line, on the right wing, on the left wing even in defence

In the beginning of the season, Lukaku enjoyed staying in the box. He was not playing at half line. Even against Huddersfield, he played in the box. He has only played at half line against Chelsea, Arsenal and a few other teams.

Kane, Salah, Lacazette also drop to half line

slimghost:
I will post player rating analysis from different sites for the benefit of the clowns here who know next to nothing about football.

1. http://www.football.london/west-ham-united-fc/fixtures-results/man-city-west-ham-adrian-13988949

Diafra Sakho (for Kouyate, 42') - 8
Always offered an outlet throughout his time on the pitch and
looked a real handful for Mangala and Otamendi to deal with.
Didn't really have any clear cut chances of his own but his
work rate was absolutely phenomenal. That was until he
spurned a massive chance in injury time from Arnautovic's
pull-back which would have earned the Hammers a point.

2. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5141507/Manchester-City-2-1-West-Ham-PLAYER-RATINGS.html

Diafra Sakho (for Kouyate, 43) - 6.5
Gave Mangala and Otamendi problems up front.

When I wrote that some people here can't analyse football properly, it was not an insult....just a FACT!

Exactly my observation.

Those guys arguing with us after City vs West Ham match need to be flogged. Dem no sabi watch ball

Shots taken every 90 minutes (chances received every 90 mins)

This is for those who didn't understand the per minutes stats

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eph12:
Just one clear cut chance more than Salah. How many goals separate them? If he scores that one clear-cut chance will they be on same goals? Gabriel Jesus as scored more goals than Lukaku, has missed more clear cut chances but with 500 minutes of play less than Lukaku. What does that say about the number of chances he gets per match played? All of the others probably have lesser minutes than Lukaku but have seen more chances than him yet no significant difference in number of goals and assists.

Salah has 12 goals and Lukaku has 8. You see gap. Meanwhile look below to understand the chances created for EPL players
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MINUTES PER CHANCE RECEIVED BY EPL FORWARD PLAYERS (MINUTES PER SHOT)

raumdeuter:
from your stats we can see Aguero, Jesus Morata Lacazette have all missed more chances than Lukaku and these are players in a more attcking setup

The stats shows that these players and Lukaku get almost same number of Clear cut chances. Lukaku get far more than Kane.

Yet they outscored him.


Initially you guys made it look like these other players get 3X chances Lukaku get. Whoosa! They get the same.

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raumdeuter:
Well said. How many chances does Lukaku get per game compare him to other strikers you will see that he isnt getting service at the level a top team striker should be getting

It is not like the other top scorers have far more Clear cut chances. Lukaku even get more clear cut chances than Salah

raumdeuter:
Elamps people here know that I am not a fan of Lukaku but I think he is suffering from your play pattern

Lukaku, Rashform Martial, Mikitaryan Mata these are your main attacking players, which of them is in form?

I am not disputing our pattern contributes. Apart from goals, there are other things. It was glaring yesterday.

eph12:
If that your guy dey near me I will tell him that he no know ball

At highlighted, how come Rooney went from underperforming at United to scoring hat tricks at Everton?

I believe Lukaku is not playing close to his best. Nothing more. Rooney should not even be close to him.

Leyqute:
How be it?

Would thee point out the differences between the way both strikers doth play, O brilliant Elampeinstein?

The way they constantly caused trouble to the defence from long balls. Arsenal defenders, even Watford and other matches just waited for our long balls to comfortably rebuild another attack.

But City today had three men trying to stop one man from breaking from long balls from West Ham defence. They were clearly unsettled and looked like there would soon be a mistake. And this guy had low quality team mates

slimghost:
Lol. Don't mind the football Einsteins here. I wholeheartedly agree with the above post.

They don't understand. They think I hate Lukaku. I believe Lukaku is a good scorer, but he needs to do some certain things expected of strikers of his calibre.

hoopLA:
To discredit Pogba you actually typed this on a public forum.
Meaning you can't even be objective in your criticism. Fella had two assists in the game and you're calling one "granny assist".
No disrespect but you have a superiority complex problem. You think you know everything better than everyone but you come across as a toddler with soiled smelly diapers smearing everywhere with sh1t.
See what a full grown adult is saying about a player who is crucial to the team's success overall. You insult our collective intelligence with this your Lampese I-too-know attitude.

Just agree say you no know ball and listen to the football intelligentsia.

The first Assist can be given by anyone. I can credit him for the second one for some craft work in it, although mechanical.

eph12:
Yeah he needs to improve his stats but the style of play is not helping here and that is my point. If he wasn't contributing to the goals it would have been a problem but someone coming here to ask what Lukaku does in a match or for the team shows ignorance of the game football

During the City vs West Ham match just now, a non Manchester United fan (he is a Liverpool fan) said the West Ham striker is far better than Lukaku while playing in isolation from his team mates. I just laf because United fans for nairaland no gree understand.

Currently, tired legs Rooney is even doing better than Lukaku in goals per minutes. Is Everton style of play better than ours?

funlord:
When United reverted from setting the pace to counter-attacking at speed, Pogba was crucial. That tactic is only achievable when you have a player who is calm in possession, and who can make the correct decision under pressure. His two assists speak for themselves.

The second was sublime. Arsenal had pulled one goal back through Lacazette but the United defence managed to wriggle the ball out to Lukaku. The Belgian held it up well for Lingard, who played in Pogba. The Frenchman proceeded to make a mockery of Koscielny, holding off his international teammate as he rounded him in the box and centred for the unmarked Lingard to score. As the entire stadium, players, fans, managers and staff lost their heads in the moment, Pogba kept his to decide the game. That is the sort of decisive, unique talent United expected – and have benefited from – when they spent £89million on him two summers ago

http://www.football365.com/news/arsenal-1-3-manchester-united-16-conclusions



These are the words of Matt stead...An award winning soccer analyst that earns millions per week writing and analyzing soccer for the u.k's number 1 soccer blog........who sabi you even for benin?

Pogba killed two counters at 2-0

My friend and I said, if only it was those days of JS Park having to receive that ball and giving it to on rushing Martial/Lukaku/Lingard.

Pogba took unnecessary second touch backward instead of continuing forward and laying it for Martial to his left or Lingard to his right.

dopeJemi:
so this one mean say Lingard do all the work? what of Pogba wey run from outside the box with the ball to the edge of the box, kan still bully defender then pass the ball to lingard? wetin he do? soft work?


Elampiro, you no know ball abeg

If Lingard no carry ball burst some yards and ran into space again to score, Pogba for see ball?

eph12:
That I don't see how the others stats will be this OK playing in a team with disjointed attack or defensive set up

Ok o

It is just that I believe Lukaku's scoring ability that I wont argue far. But he needs to improve quickly.

Salah carries the ball from half line with great speed into opposition box like every 5-10 mins, just like Lingard appears to be doing now.

eph12:
Which of Salah Aguero spend half of the match on the halfway line?

What are you trying to say?

SailorXY:
how market with "some guys" now?

Did we not lose the midfield war? If not for DDG, we would have been roasted. One granny Assist, plus poor defensive body balance by Koscielny in a battle of muscle na con be say Pogba do play pass Ronaldo and Messi



Kai! Make I hear world there.

SailorXY:
Kante your yardstick. how market now?

Did he not perform below Kante?

Is just like saying Carrick (DM) performed more than Fellaini under Gaal, despite the latter having more goals.

But when someone wants to prove a CM is now in the level of Ronaldo and Messi because of stats, you quickly remind him of players who play CM with similar or better starts

BlueAngel444:
Is a goal every 2 games bad? Besides are you saying ManU's pattern is worse than the one he played in at Everton?

The thing is he should be doing better. Some forwards have a goal every one game. Aguero, Salah and Sterling. And only one is a striker.

SailorXY:
e be like say you no dey remember your own words after some time?

Like?

SailorXY:
good. oya put this stat side by side with the whole Kante stat of last season & make an inference.

Kante na DM. How do you expect a 5th defender to be a creator?

GOAL! Arsenal 1-3 Manchester United (Lingard 63)

The move started when Matic played the ball up to Lukaku on the halfway line . He fed it to Lingard, who surged into space and played the ball to Pogba on the right. He moved into the area and danced elegantly around Koscielny, who commited himself unnecessarily, before passing the ball across the face of goal for Lingard to tap into an open net. It was another clinical break from United, though Arsenal’s defending was again less hope.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2017/dec/02/arsenal-v-manchester-united-premier-league-live


I knew I saw Lingard ran forward with pace with the ball. After the goal I was praising his effort that led to the goal, not his finishing or Assist.

DopeJemi,

You no know ball.

Aguero is doing 87 minutes per goal

Salah 94 mins

Sterling 94 mins

Lukaku 169 minutes

Despite the fact our pattern of play has affected him, this record is very poor.

PietroRico:
nobody is shouting stats. What we are shouting instead is for a player like Pogba, stats should not be a whip for flogging him.
What people are shouting now is that, that whip cannot even be used this season.

It looks like I saw where someone said "now the stats are proving Pogba.... "

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1126 minsplayed

12Goals scored

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1216 minsplayed

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1 Assists


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144 minsper goal

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76 minsper goal

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