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Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m):
Syncan: Just highlighted some places for you in your post above.

Frankly speaking, something is wrong with you and your retreat. Look at your posts, Filled with "wild possibilities", nothing Concrete, yet on it was based your schism. Painful indeed.
Thank you for being the judge over me.

Did you not see the below conclusion.

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"So, one may consider the possibility that an “anti-pope” could potentially come from a valid conclave, and this does not constitute a false or “heretical” position.

Thus, it is actually possible to remain faithful to the Magisterium AND consider that the messages of MDM plausibly might be authentic that the Pope is the false prophet… and even that the Church herself states that this IS at least possible."
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I have had a retreat wit a very high clergy. Am I to listen to you or a high clergy of the church or the bible (or even Jesus' instructions) ?
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 11:05am On Oct 03, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVVh2vdhDeQ

Fr. Hesse on Papal Infalliblity
Fr Gregory Hesse (now deceased) was a Canon Lawyer, Doctor of Thomistic Theology...

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That is another source.

However, I have been told not to cross words with anyone on this till I finish my counselling and retreat today.

Some Catholic priests know the truth, but they are observing some boundaries, some other high ranking church officials are trying to discern the Pope.


Bye for now.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 10:56am On Oct 03, 2013
I went for counselling on this issue and many more. I have been taught a lot of things I never knew from a very reputable source. I was also given this link and told the boundaries to observe in this matter.

Concerning “Maria Divine Mercy”, Pope Francis, and the False Prophet
Posted on August 1, 2013 by twohearts
By Dr. Kelly Bowring, Author of best-seller “The Secrets, Chastisement, and Triumph” and “The Great Battle Has Begun”

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The messages of Maria Divine Mercy (MDM), which she is reportedly receiving from heavenly sources, are plausible. I have examined all the messages, as well as all of the published evaluations and criticisms of her messages… and have not found them to establish a single error in her reported messages. And the negative evaluations of MDM posted by critics to date have been, at best, inconclusive and unconvincing.

I have not found that her messages contradict any doctrine, or that they contain an actual error. As of today, her messages are not condemned by any official Church authority with jurisdiction to do so (which would be the Irish Bishops or the CDF), though certainly they have not received Church recognition either.

On the other hand, several of her prophecies have been fulfilled, and her messages are congruent to the other related legitimate sources of prophecy being given in these times.

As well, the Crusader Prayers of Maria Divine Mercy are in the same status as her reported messages, as stated above, and thus, it would seem that it is permissible to pray them.

So, in summary, the Church faithful may read and spread MDM’s reported messages and pray her prayers.

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Caution Needed!

Still, we must be cautious, and continue to discern with prayer and docility to the Church and the Holy Spirit, while remembering the words of Pope Urban VIII: “In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true.”

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Potential Problem

One of the serious issues that are raised by the reported heavenly messages of MDM is regarding her message that Pope Benedict XVI would leave the papacy (before he died) and that his successor would be the false prophet (as discussed in Revelation 13). This is a difficult message and must be considered with delicate discernment. Whether this message is true or not, we do not know.

Even if this reported message is true, we must never take it upon ourselves to decide as such… we must wait for the Church to direct us in such matters. No matter what, we must remain faithful to the Church. We are never personally permitted to believe the Pope is invalid, unless the highest legitimate authority of the Church were to indicate that he is.

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Careful Distinction

So, while we may meditate on and spread the messages of MDM… as practicing Catholics, we must also be cautious about (and even somewhat critical concerning) this message related to the new Pope, and in this situation we must personally declare the following:

1. I accept the teaching of the Universal Catholic Church that the Pope when speaking on faith and morals is infallible.

2. I accept, as legitimately elected by the recent conclave, Pope Francis (as the validly elected Pope).

This includes “religious assent of mind and heart to the manifest mind of the pope, even when he is not speaking infallibly” (Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, 25), which every member of the Catholic faithful is obliged to offer Pope Francis.

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Time Will Tell

Time will make things more clear in this delicate matter, as to whether MDM’s messages deserve repudiation because she is in doctrinal error, her messages are inauthentic, or she is eventually rightly condemned by the Church. Otherwise, her prophecies will continue to validate themselves as events unfold and they come true.

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Important Question and Clarification

The most common question people are asking right now about MDM is whether a validly elected Pope could even be the false prophet, as her messages are reporting. The answer is – YES.

Though, while it is possible, it would be quite improbable.

So, how could it happen that a validly-elected Pope could become the false prophet (an invalid pope or an anti-pope)?

Pope Paul IV’s Papal Bull Cum ex Apostolatus Officio teaches that if anyone was a heretic before the Papal election, he could not be a valid Pope, even if he is (validly) elected unanimously by the Cardinals.

As well, Canon 188.4 (1917 Code of Canon Law) states that if a cleric (pope, bishop, etc.) becomes a heretic, he loses his office, without any declaration, by operation of law.

St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Antonius, St. Francis de Sales, St. Alphonsus Liguori, and many other theologians all taught that a heretic cannot be a valid pope.

“If however, God were to permit a pope to become

a notoriously and contumacious heretic,

he would by such fact cease to be pope,

and the apostolic chair would be vacant.”

St. Alphonsus Liguori, Church Doctor

Here are some more citations on this possibility: http://www.protestanterrors.com/pope-heresy.htm

However, ecclesiastical law requires that the faithful must presume we have a valid Pope, unless the Church’s highest authority formally declares otherwise.

So, one may consider the possibility that an “anti-pope” could potentially come from a valid conclave, and this does not constitute a false or “heretical” position.

Thus, it is actually possible to remain faithful to the Magisterium AND consider that the messages of MDM plausibly might be authentic that the Pope is the false prophet… and even that the Church herself states that this IS at least possible.

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Time will make this matter more clear.

http://twoheartspress.com/blog/concerning-maria-divine-mercy-pope-francis-and-the-false-prophet/
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 12:00am On Oct 03, 2013
The world war 3 to be fought is what the one world people will use to usher in the Antichrist because he will end the war temporary and he will be seen as a man of peace. A man never seen before.

All these while Obama was making noise about Syria, Jesus had already told John Leary and another visionary far ahead that the war wasn't going to start yet, it was in vain they were making noise. The one world people knew what they are doing. They are checkmating the world in a very mighty deceits.

The war will surely come, but the one world people will use it to their advantage.

You guys shouldn't be so naïve.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:15pm On Oct 02, 2013
RVP was shyte today. I could have done better.

As compared to the Leverkusen match where Rooney scored two from open play, assisted one from open play and dominated the match with a super virtouso performance, today was a shame. The defence and mifield gave us the draw. Should Rooney find this balanced defence with Rafael and without Ferdinand, he would have a field day as he had always done in Europe. Kudos to Welbeck, he is becoming a European big boy.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 10:53pm On Oct 02, 2013
Ubenedictus: is mary sleeping at fatimahuh Or how come mary can hear me where i am but she can hear the pope in the vatican so the pope must go to fatima?
Why did the Pope summon the Fatima statue to Vatican?
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m):
Ubenedictus: until a pope dies or retires, just as celestine v retired and gregory retired.
There is only one person wearing the crown of peter and that is his holiness pope francis, he is the bishop of rome the successor of st peter.

Benedict has retired he said 'with clarity of mind...i hereby renounce the ministry of st peter.'
canon law and the tradition of the catholic church is very clear with a pope retires he ceases to be pope and a new pope must be elected.
When celestine retired a new pope was elected and the church continued, when gregory retired a new pope was elected and the church continued, my beloved benedict has retired and francis is now pope, if you refuse to agree to that then you are guilty of sedecanventism, you are in schism and you should abstain from the eucharist. The mass you attend is even celebrated 'in union with francis our pope' yet you say you are a catholic.
I usually attend tradentine/vatican1 mass and even the priest say the tradentine mass in union with pope francis.
There is a difference between been a traditionalist and a sedecanventist, you have crossed the line and have incured excommunication.
Where is the letter? Pope Francis' enforcer. You cannot threaten me to accept lies as truth.

Pope Francis has crossed the line by refusing to acknowledge the divinity of Jesus.

I have told you to wait and see.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:35pm On Oct 02, 2013
coded guy: @ Elampiro

You and the crush you display on this thread for Rooney is rather irritating.

Can't you make a statement without mentioning Rooney's name 9 outta 10times to buttress your point haba!
Can't some guys make a statement without blaming Rooney. How much have I seen you condemn such?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:34pm On Oct 02, 2013
Sir Alex ferguson has given his under-pressure successor David Moyes the dreaded vote of confidence.

Moyes has been hammered by Old Trafford fans for a dreadful start to the season that sees them languishing in 12th in the Premier League. But Fergie, the man who got Moyes the job, insists he's the right fit for Manchester United.

"United are in good hands with David Moyes. He will be fine - he's a good manager."

United face Shahktar Donetsk in the Champions League tonight but whatever happens this season, Fergie's never going to return.

He said: "I'm not interested in managing again or getting myself worked up about Manchester United's results. You would be throwing your money down the drain if you put any money on me coming back as a manager.

"I made my decision. The timing was perfect. There is no way back for me now - I've got a new life. I want to go to the Kentucky Derby and the US Masters, the Melbourne Cup. I want to visit vineyards in Tuscany and France." (Source: Daily Star, PBS)
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:21pm On Oct 02, 2013
Emperoh: Where's the determination, zeal, hunger, drive,desire?
I can't see it. . . . . . .maybe Fergie left with these.
Until we can sort the player's attitude, we will keep yapping and speaking English!
For the first time since Leverkusen game, we had the right players in place today and adopted a 4-3-3, but ball retention in the attacking midfield and final third was the problem.

Rafael was there, Vidic and Evra were there. Cleverly paired Carrick. But the problem was our three attackers inability to retain and use the ball in the final their third of the opponents.

People usually do not see why some players are so important. However, we will soon get it right.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:07pm On Oct 02, 2013
papparatzzi2013: Sincerely we are better than this.

Our coach can't just think out of the box. The nucleus of our team is still better than BVB but the class between the two is a gulf.
Sometimes it is hard to think out of the box when outside the box has failed woefully in the past. Moyes went for safety today. With Rooney out, he opted for Valencia and Welbeck to bring that stability. Had Rooney played, he could have gamble with Nani or Kagawa for Welbeck.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:55pm On Oct 02, 2013
papparatzzi2013: So we are just hoping to qualify for 2nd round. Even if we qualify, I hope we won't be pummeled in that round, just the way BM disgraced Barca.
We will top the group at the end. But it was okay to get an away result. By time we get to the second round, our confidence should have risen.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:53pm On Oct 02, 2013
papparatzzi2013: I cannot see any pattern of play; no obvious tactics and no game plan. Just running around the pitch. No ambition. What is the essence of making substitution with less than 20seconds to go.

DM does not have the gusto to carry this team. Period. Watching bayern was like watching barca of 3years ago. How come Pep has been able to transform his own team and our chosen one is still clueless. He simply lacks the mental capacity for a stage like this.

Nothing more nothing less.
Had Rooney played today, the whole blame would have been on him.

Today, there was no single soul even passing to the flanks or holding up play. I can guess RVP didnt touch the ball up to 12 times. No through ball, no crossings, no assists from set pieces, etc. It was so dull

Today, it wasnt Rooney who put Kagawa out.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:48pm On Oct 02, 2013
SAF said you need 10 points to qualify from groups. So we need to go get two wins in our next two games and become comfortable. When we return for Leverkusen and Shakhtar Donetsk they would have injured themselves already. cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 9:42pm On Oct 02, 2013
italo: @ Elampiro,

Any new gist tonite?

Pope Francis must have taught heresy at morning mass today...or hasnt he?

You mind sharing with us?

smiley
Just wait, the official pronouncements will come soon. The divinity of Jesus will be denied and the one world religion formed. The Eucharist will be said to be a sign of fellowship and not the body and blood of Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 9:38pm On Oct 02, 2013
Syncan: You don't consider the above statement a lie?
It is true.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:46pm On Oct 02, 2013
One nil at half time. So far so good.

It looks like Valencia and Welbeck brings that defensive coverage.

Good Welbeck scored. At least no one will blame the coach for anything. He is proving to be a UCL material.

This is the exact 4-3-3 line up I wanted except that Welbeck came in for Rooney. I think Rooney could have offered more ball holding to help us retain possession.

Fellaini lacks speed. I can't believe he is so sluggish.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 8:41pm On Oct 02, 2013
Syncan: No authentic Catholic Teaching or Message ever said I should call an elected Pope, an anti-Pope, especially when he has done nothing to deserve it. The shepherd is doing his work, calling on the lost sheep to come home, yet you decide to allow the devil deceive you into Schism. I wonder what you do when prayer for the Pope is intoned, or do you not pray for the pope? When he requested for prayer at the verge of USA invasion of Syria, I joined and you probably did not. On the 13th of October, the Pope will be consecrating the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I will be starting my novena soon in preparation for the day, you probably don't care. You are already out my friend, the devil must be happy with you.
The Pope summoned Our Lady to his court at Vatican instead of going to pay homage to her at Fatima.

An elected Pope indeed! You will soon realized something. You just wait.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 8:38pm On Oct 02, 2013
Syncan: Trying to shut you? Lol, Italo said you must be aiming at making us laugh, you must be thinking highly of yourself. Catholic Church no longer catholic? I thought it is inevitable according to your beliefs.
You have refused to pay attention to details in my several comments. The true Catholicism will be suppressed. Just wait, as Pope Francis makes so many deliberate errors in his the Cardinal are going to react that it will cause a division. The Pope is building a schismatic church and pushing real Catholicism aside.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 8:33pm On Oct 02, 2013
Ubenedictus: a valid conclave can produce a bad pope but a valid conclave cannot produce an antipope. Calling francis an antipope actually means you are in schism, and practically excommunicated.
There can be only one Pope until a Pope dies. Don't listen to lies.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:39pm On Oct 02, 2013
chrisley024: Doesn't make him a play maker. He lacks the abilities.
You said he is not a playmaker. Simple question, where has he played all these years?

Same position no one has even been able to displaced him, except for tactical change. From that position he has destroyed big teams in Europe. Thiago Silva is the world best stopper now, you can't beat him on one vs one. He said Rooney has punished him the two times they met.


I beg let me go to Ukraine jor.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:35pm On Oct 02, 2013
I could not even read all the backlogs.

Even when we had Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo, Giggs, Nani and Scholes ate their peak, we have had slow starts and scanty goals.

This is not the first time at all.

I am sure it would have been far worse had Kagawa played in the hole.


Why do we always make excuses for non performance of our bench warming players? Are you guys the cocahes who see them in training? Kagawa did not make any creative move last Saturday, except only one Rooney saw him through the 18 box.


Now I am happy Anderson was dropped from travelling. They should be taught a lesson.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:24pm On Oct 02, 2013
chrisley024: The truth also remains d@ Rooney is not a play maker.
So where has Rooney played in the past 9 years?
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 7:19pm On Oct 02, 2013
Syncan: Sleep shouldn't be your focus now, You should be on your knees more often...and I was on mine, for you as well.
It is good to pray, but I can guess there was no amount of prayers that was going to stop Judas from betraying Jesus. The Church is being betrayed and you are part of those defending this process.

The Catholic church as we know it, is about to climb its Calvary. But the days of resurrection are not far off after the trials and separation.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 7:15pm On Oct 02, 2013
Syncan: Oh God! How do I respond to this? The more you know, the humbler, cautious and more quiet you become.

I posted that site just to let you know that there are contrary messages to the one you hold so strongly. I had as well earlier said something about Jonah.
I can only be cautious and quiet of what I have not discerned.


Pope Francis said the priests should preach less of abortion, contraception and homosexuality. Now you have joined him in trying to shut me. Are you one of them? Who are you working for? You defend lies and anti-gospel teachings. Everyone should keep quite until the Catholic church is no longer Catholic.

Be wise.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 7:07pm On Oct 02, 2013
italo: Just informing you.

You're in schism.
I cannot be in agreement with anyone, no matter his/her earthly authority, who cannot acknowledge the Trinity.

I cannot be in agreement with anyone, no matter his/her earthly authority, who denies the divinity of Christ.

I cannot be in agreement with anyone, no matter his/her earthly authority, who ridicules the Catholic church to gain earthly praises from pagans.

I cannot be in agreement with anyone, no matter his/her earthly authority, who mocks the good work of our previous Popes.

False humility to gain earthly cheers while mocking the Church's beliefs before the circular world.



The Catholic church in its tradition is bigger than any one individual. The Pope is making schismatic remarks against the Holy Mother Church.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 6:58pm On Oct 02, 2013
Syncan: I told you to pray, the devil is putting a mirage before you, Now you ascribe both the atheist interviewer's word to the Pope. There was a question of thinking about existence put forward by the Pope:

Pope Francis:You must ask yourself, of course, like everyone else, who we are, where we come from, where we are going. Even children ask themselves these questions. And you?

Interviewer : I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.

[b]Pope Francis: And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?
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Please Elampiro, is there a catholic God?
Are you kidding me? Are you defending the indefensible? Are you so naive?

The Catholic God is God the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Some Christian sects share same believe.

There are some christian sects which deny the divinity of God, like the Jehova witness. There are some religion which do not believe in the divinity of Christ but preach Him to be the Incarnate Master (Teacher), like the gray message. There are some religion which believe Jesus was just a prophet, like the Muslim. Now you see how the Pope is pushing for a one world religion while ridiculing, undermining and rejecting Catholic core teachings. Be wise.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 12:33am On Oct 02, 2013
Goodnight people. I am so pained I can hardly sleep.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 12:27am On Oct 02, 2013
italo: You are aware that you are now in schism with the Catholic Church and you may not receive the sacraments?
Which church law are you trying to prove to me? Meanwhile you look at Pope Francis in his schismatic comments aginst the Mother church ^^^ .
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 12:19am On Oct 02, 2013
The Pope: how the Church will change

I am grateful for this question. The answer is this: I believe in Being, that is in the tissue from which forms, bodies arise.
"And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God, there is God and I believe in Jesus Christ, his incarnation. Jesus is my teacher and my pastor, but God, the Father, Abba, is the light and the Creator. This is my Being. Do you think we are very far apart?"


Pope Francis (ap)

http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/

Directly from the magazine Pope Francis gave the interview.

Tomorrow I expect to see people trying to tell what the Pope really said.

I shake my head.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 11:54pm On Oct 01, 2013
I want to cut off on this tonight, till tomorrow. I am so pained right now.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 11:47pm On Oct 01, 2013
italo: @ Elampiro,

Are you Catholic?

Do you believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church?
I believe in the teachings of the church.

But the book of revelation supports the fact that a time will come even the elect will be misled. Who do you think are those elects?

Meanwhile, look at Pope Francis ridiculing catholicism. I have told you we have had bad popes in the past.

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