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We are suppose to have the best wingers in the world, but all of them have their problems.

1. Nani- has never played well whenever another rival winger was fit. Sometimes isolate himself in the flank while delaying the ball there or trying some tricks instead of playing with his team mates or crossing fast. Cannot defend.

2. Valencia- finds it hard when a defence sits deep. The left leg is 'useless'. No goal sense.

3. Young. Mr reverse. Wayward and too long crosses. Can't get behind the defence line.


All of them are off form, but it looks like Nani wil recover his form best.

Overall, at their peak it looks like Valencia has given us the best football from the flank. Even SAF said Valencia was his preferred. But Nani looks to have potentials he is yet to actualise.

ON THIS DAY: In 2004, Wayne Rooney made his first ManUtd appearance at age 18- and scored a hat-trick against Fenerbahce.

And the goals keep coming till date.

italo: I doubt that Elampiro knows that slander of such magnitude is a grave sin...and a grave sin separates a soul from God.

So analyzing the Pope's comment is now a slander? If the Pope had not made unguided statements the media would be still. We were already used to them from time immemorial how they mock the Catholic church as too conservative, etc. It was better for the church. The church should be church and not circular.

italo: What has Benedict the man of God said about all these things?

It seems Elampiro know much more about the Vatican than the Pope Emeritus.

If for instance Pope Francis comes tomorrow now and make major changes to the teachings of the church which contradicts the gospel of Jesus Christ, would you wait for Pope Benedict to say it before you realize what is happening?
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Cardinal Raymond Burke did not have to wait for Benedict to react as quoted below.

" It’s a nonsense for people to say that Catholics have focused too much on the great moral evils of our time such as abortion and gay marriage and sex, when in fact as a result of the collapse of catechesis since Vatican II, the majority of Catholics have been reduced to silence. In the face of the political push to enshrine gay marriage and the normalisation of deviancy, and the Silent Holocause of 1.7 billion babies killed through abortion since the 1970′s Catholics must shout from the roof tops and take to the streets."
http://protectthepope.com/?p=8434

Syncan: Ah,@ Elampiro I thought you had something else to say, meanwhile I saw these from your link:

1. (a) An activist and a pastor say the pope told them he supported civil unions in Argentina - somebody said.... untrusted evidence

(b) Reports say the pope also pushed bishops to support the idea at a 2010 meeting - "CNN could not independently confirm the details of the Argentine bishops' meeting,..." (from your link)

(c) As archbishop of Buenos Aires, the pope was a vocal opponent to same-sex marriage - By their fruits ye shall know them

(d) The pope once called same-sex marriage "a destructive attack on God's plan" - Now you accuse him of propagating it


2. Take a look at this:

"I have read the Spanish version,and Italian.

I do not mean to offend by posting in Spanish,but it says very clearly that "This is yours,and I make you become sin again. And he likes that,because it has been his mission,become sin for us,to free us"


“Pero ¿qué es la reconciliación? Tomar a uno de esta parte, tomar a otro y hacer que estén unidos: no, esta es una parte pero no es... La verdadera reconciliación es que Dios, en Cristo, ha tomado nuestros pecados y Él se ha hecho pecado por nosotros. Y cando vamos a confesarnos, por ejemplo, no es que decimos el pecado y Dios nos perdona. No, ¡no es esto! Nosotros encontramos a Jesucristo y le decimos: ‘Esto es tuyo y yo te hago pecado otra vez. Y a Él le gusta eso, porque ha sido su misión: hacerse pecado por nosotros, para liberarnos.
Es la belleza y el “escándalo” de la redención que Jesús llevó a cabo dijo Francisco:"


In the Italian version,the phrase in question is even between inverted commas.
Maybe "make you become sin " can even be translated as "make you sin again" being sin here not a verb but a noun. Hope it clarifies

If anyone can read any of these languages,you will notice the difference.
Peace".

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=802790
http://www.news.va/es/news/el-cristi...ncia-la-de-cri

3. I have published for you a copy of the CCC on homosexuality, you and those confused are yet to tell me how the Pope's statement
contradicts it.

4. The Pope quoted scripture LK 9:50, Mk 9:40, Tell me the scripture is not correct. It doesn't matter what you infer or suggest it insinuates, He quoted scripture to support himself. Do good anyway and let the Holy spirit do His part...this is the message of the Pope. Do not underestimate the power of God to save whoever he so wishes.

5. Read carefully my submissions above and desist from undue alarm, rather pray more in these times, for the "enemy cometh at night to sow weeds in the garden".

1. What makes you think I don't have something else to say? I am only writing with reservations.


2. (a) "He (Pope Francis) told me. ... 'I'm in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law,'" said Marquez, a gay rights activist, a self-described devout Catholic and a former theology professor at a Catholic seminary.

That man is not just a circular activist but a friend of the Pope and a devout Catholic who is a professor at the Catholic seminary. Someone who knows the implication of unguided speech that with plenty of consequences, even he knows he could be excommunicated from the church should he tell lies against the Pope. Have you seen anyone coming out to counter this since despite the fact it was widely published in all the major news media and christians/catholic media?

(b) "Bergoglio -- faithful to his moderate position -- proposed continuing measured actions. ... He would suggest, also, that the church discreetly accept the intermediate alternative of the civil union -- authorizing a series of rights (inheritance, social work) -- that would not equate to marriage nor permit adoption," wrote journalist Sergio Rubin -- now Bergoglio's biographer.

Did you not read that what transpired at the Argentina Catholic bishop conference was reported in the newspapers at the time. And the journalist who published it is said to be Pope Francis current biographer. Use your tongue to count your teeth. This was not from an enemy, but from his friend and employee. There has never been any denials or contrary report to date.

(c) It was after the Catholic bishop conference turned down the Pope's proposal that he went and make a public statement that about his rejection of same sex marriage. Why did he support civil union in the first place? That is odd for even a lay faithful, talking much more of a cardinal. You have to speak the truth and be frank till the end. When what you offer are deliberate vague speeches, you leave loopholes for evil to triumph.

2. According to you, you said the Spanish version was interpreted thus: "This is yours,and I make you become sin again. And he likes that,because it has been his mission,become sin for us,to free us"

This is outright blaspheme against Jesus Christ. My Jesus has never been sin and can never be sin. This alone almost made me conclude on Bergoglio.

Take a look at the various English versions too even in the one in the Vatican website at the time and other Catholic papers. All the English interpretations are the same. Now you even publish a Spanish version which looks worse.

3. Everyone knows about the CCC. The CCC did not at anytime say people should be silent or preach less about Homosexuality and abortion. It is the duty of every christian to preach that Homosexuality is wrong and people in this sin must seek repentance and forgiveness. These are mortal sins and very grievous sins where the people who are involved can't receive communion until they are deeply sorry and seek confession.

Homosexuality is particularly worse because you cannot be a gay and still be a christian. Homosexuality is a direct rebellion against God because you are perpetually and permanently declaring yourself to be against a clear commandment, and state of serious sinful living for God destroyed a whole nation. As christians we are meant to love everyone, but we also have the duty to affirm the truth always. This is what the CCC preached. But Pope Francis has never preached against these serious issues and has dodged or given vague answers to any questions about homosexuality and abortion.

There is a difference between falling into sin and declaring you have chosen a sinful lifestyle. If someone had in error or weakness fallen into the unnatural act of homosexuality, then the person needs to be sincerely sorry, repent and confess. That's all. But when one has said he has permanently decided to live wilfully as gay or lesbian, that person is directly mocking God and rebelling against His command. Such a person will have to repent totally of such declaration before he can be said to be a christian again. In other words, you cannot be gay and still claim to be a follower of christ- christian. Anyone who says he is a gay is already accepting he cannot show any remorse for his way of living. It shouldn't be too surprising that most gays are atheists.

4. Anyone can quote scripture for any reason. Scripture can be twisted or misused. That scripture wasn't even talking about unbelievers or atheist. If the Pope was right, the Vatican wouldn't have contradicted him immediately. The duty of a christian is first to point the world to Christ. When you try to tell people they don't need to look for Jesus Christ to be saved, then you are undermining Christianity and helping to defeat the reason Jesus came. Jesus said we have to go to the Father through Him. If there are people to be saved without being christians, that should be left to God and our prayers of conversion for them.

There is no need trying to please people in a bid to forming a one world religion or an all inclusive church where sin and repentance will not be preached. Jesus did not say we should apply diplomacy/compromise to his teachings in order to get everyone into His church. He instructed that the truth should be told, when no one accepts it, shake off your shoes and leave. He said the road to heaven is narrow and only a few will find it. He said people should sit down and take a stock of what it takes to follow Him and make a decision.

5. There is nothing like an undue alarm. In all of Pope John Paul II 25 years reign, he never caused this kind of confusion in key/fundamental teachings. You have to be careful and open your eyes to the gospel of Jesus to enable you detect when lies are being spread. What we are debating today is what the Pope said which is in black and white, and the Pope also said it is not possible to intervene spiritually in the life of a person (sinner). It is not wrong to scrutinize what a church leader has said. Infact it should be our first responsibility as christians because the salvation of the world depends on those teachings.

1. Do you know that as Cardinal Bergoglio, Pope Francis surppoted gay union in Argentina?

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/20/world/americas/argentina-pope-civil-unions/index.htm


2. When we go to confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: 'This is your sin, and I will sin again'. And Jesus likes that, because it was his mission: to become the sinner for us, to liberate us. " -Pope Francis

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-the-christian-life-proclaims-the-road-to-reco



3. See the confusion on ground already from the Pope's statements.

Priests Struggle To Interpret Pope's Quote On Homosexuality.
http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20130817-r.i.-priests-try-to-interpret-popes-remarks-on-gays.ece



4.
Lastly, Pope Francis comment being rejected or reversed by Vatican.
His first comment on atheist. He has boosted the atheists twice that they can make it without accepting God.

Catholic Church confirms atheists still go to hell, after Pope Francis suggests they might go to heaven

The Vatican has quickly clarified that atheists  - they believe - are still going to hell, despite Pope Francis appearing to say non-believers could be saved through Christ if they do good.

Vatican spokesman Rev. Thomas Rosica said people who know about the Catholic church “cannot be saved” if they “refuse to enter her or remain in her.”

In an unprepared speech on Wednesday, the Pope emphasised the importance of “doing good,” for all people.

According to a report from Vatican radio, he explained how upset Jesus’ disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good.

He said: “They complain, ‘If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good’. And Jesus corrects them: 'Do not hinder him', he says, 'let him do good.'”

The disciples, he said, “were a little intolerant,” thinking that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.”

He said: “This was wrong . . . Jesus broadens the horizon. The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation.”

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/catholic-church-confirms-atheists-still-go-to-hell-after-pope-francis-suggests-they-might-go-to-heaven-8634479.html


5. Review the above links/comments carefully. Above all there is something I don't want to discuss here till he makes more comments as these or when he makes changes to the teachings change.

Syncan: 1. Here is your quote, it is from a blogger, Mundabor.



2.Yes there will be a time of apostasy, but you should not cry wolf when there is none, lest you scatter the sheep.

3 Please be careful about your accusations, see below:

"When Bergoglio celebrated Mass at the Cathedral for the 2004 First National Government holiday, President Néstor Kirchner attended and heard Bergoglio request more political dialogue, reject intolerance, and criticize exhibitionism and strident announcements. Kirchner celebrated the national day elsewhere the following year and the Mass in the Cathedral was suspended.Kirchner considered Bergoglio as a political rival to the day he died in October 2010. Bergoglio's relations with Kirchner's widow and successor, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, have been similarly tense. In 2008, Bergoglio called for national reconciliation during disturbances in the country's agricultural regions, which the government interpreted as a support for anti-government demonstrators.The campaign to enact same-sex marriage legislation was a particularly tense period in their relations.

"In 2006, Bergoglio publicly opposed an attempt by the Argentine government to legalize some cases of abortion. In 2007, after the government intervened to allow an abortion for a mentally handicapped woman who had been raped, Bergoglio said that "in Argentina we have the death penalty. A child conceived by the rape of a mentally ill or retarded woman can be condemned to death."

"Pope Francis has affirmed Catholic teachings on sexual morality. He said that while homosexual acts were sinful, the homosexual orientation was not".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis

I have shown you the teaching of the catholic church from the CCC, you may tell me how Pope Francis contradicts it.

4. Monsignor Esseff was a spiritual director to Mother Teresa of Calcutta, he is the spiritual director to a supposed visionary now, her message contradicts that of your unknown "internet" visionary. you may want to check that out too. http://www.locutions.org/. I must tell you that I do not hold such prophecies as "must happen"...since Jonah's experience.


He washed the feet of lay men and women...bla bla bla, when Jesus commanded the apostles to serve, was it to their priests or to all? The washing of feet is just symbolic and his actions is simply a broader depicting of the command, he went a notch further. He kissed their feet... for Gods sake, did you read anything about St. Francis of Assisi at all? You really should get your fact straight before indulging in attacking such esteem an office holder. The chair of St.Peter...You are not even sure of what you're saying.

Please tell me where Pope Francis made the above as claimed by you, until then, We ought to pray more in these times, for the "enemy cometh at night to sow weeds in the garden".

1. You said the sheep should not be scattered before the time. This is exactly why I have so far refrained from publishing certain things that should have surprised you. Should I do that, I trust nairalanders and some Nigerians who are spiritually immature. But I have reserve some core evidence for the future.

2. I have known that locution sight for ever. I reserve my comment. I have read it for years, including John Leary the most popular catholic prophet and others.

3. The blogger you quoted is the least of the things I have submitted about reactions to the Pope's comment. You obviously jumped into the argument half way. Had you followed the argument from the other thread where Pope Francis said atheist are saved by their conscience, you should have seen the trail of this argument and the references and links I have earlier provided.

4. Hold, let me send you some links.

Syncan: 1. Thats why you need better and more sound fact than the opinion of a blogger out of 2billion catholics

2. You do not sow a seed of doubt and expect to be left alone, if not to guide others aright, it is still a corporal work of mercy to enlighten the ignorance

3.Mundabor that you quoted is a blogger

4. It matters not if there was a death or not, the seat could be vacant by abdication, even Pope JP 11 was expected to resign, It is not unheard of. The last time it happened before Benedict xv1, the elected Pope was authentic, so why not Pope Francis. Which Current messages? The one i am following now says exactly opposite to what you're saying, be careful what you believe.

1. Can you repost where I quoted a blogger? I can't see where I did.

2. Which visionary are you following? You also have to be careful not to swallow errors which are starting already. Go back to the prophecy of St Francis of Asisi, Lasalete, Garabadal, Fr Gobbi, etc and you will know that there will be a time of aposacy in the Vatican,

3. Pope Francis as cardinal Bergoglio was in support of Gay union in Argentina. Pope Francis said our sins are not committed by us but they are Jesus' sin. He is also trying to shut the mouth of priests from frequently speaking against homosexuality, abortion etc.

4. In several messages given to a certain visionary between 2011 and 2012, it was clearly stated that Pope Benedict would not die on the throne but would be plotted against in an underground move to resign. A lot were said and at that time I never thought could be possible. And at that time too, we were told the next Pope would be. seen to be very humble (false humility) cunning and greatly loved but he will not be from God. We were also told thayt he would be loved greatly by the circular world and seen to be a living saint. But he will be giving sign of what he intends to do until the time becomes ripe, then he will make major changes that will rock the church to its foundation. Very many will go with him in his new age teachings while the true catholics will retain the traditional teachings of the church.

I was shocked when Benedict announced his resignation, and the prophecy was fulfilled. When Pope Francis came in, the messages told us again how he will be working to undermine so many traditions which will insult God but many will be blind to these things for now.

One of those early signs he gave which many were blind to was the fact he ran away from the Vatican to wash the legs of men, women and people of other faith in a prison instead of legs of his apostles 'the priests'. He was already by that wicked gesture establishing the all inclusive church. He also kissed their legs as a sign of the new age religion that will be coming where humanism (worship of man, nature and things) will be taught instead of only venerating the cross as a sign of allegiance and worship of the crucified Lord. He refuses to sit on the throne (the chair of Peter) but instead in an excuse for humility, he sits on a white chair which some observant have said is in front of the Eucharist . I have not been able to verify where exactly that white chair is positioned whether truly in front of the Eucharist.
I just want to stop here. But consider this:
When we go to confession we say, ''bless me father for I have sinned, I attended confession last on.....these are my sins ........ For these sins and any other I cannot remember, I beg for forgiveness and penance. ''

But Pope Francis said Jesus has become the sinner for us such that when we go to confession it is not that we ask for forgiveness but we are only handling Jesus' sins back to Him. So we say in confession ''Jesus here are your sins... And I will sin again''

I stop here for now.

[quote author=Paris-fran]Before Pope Benedict XVI resignation, 5 popes have resigned and the world did not end after that. Pls give us a break with all the prophesies. If i collected a dollar for all the end time prophesies I have heard or read, I would own a Ferrari by now.[/quote]1. Yet some of these prophecies were approved by the church.

2. Were you there when those Popes resigned? Do you know under what circumstances they resigned? Do you know the true story? Are you are some resigned because there were two people laying claim to the throne?

I meant Nani's performance in the 2nd half, not Welbeck. Corrected though.

I didn't want to participate in all these sentimental arguments again, but I am forced to say something.

The best accurate passers from the midfield in the EPL were Scholes, Giggs, Rooney and Carrick. The best assist from the wing in the EPL were Nani, Valencia, Giggs and Young. Giggs particularly has a way of perfectly picking a United man in the 18 once he gets behind the defence line.

If Chachirito was going into the offside positions often, it was not the fault of the players delivery the passes, it was due to his inexperience at the time. However, most poachers are usually caught offside a lot of time. Inzaghi is the best example. He keeps going into offside until he beats one offside trap and that is all.

Is it really true Chicha had not gotten his run of games? I can't go checking for stat now, but I thought he had a run of games in his first one and a half years (not too sure) until it appeared he was becoming hard for him against the EPL teams who were getting use to his style at some point. I guess it was in 2011/12 he had some poor successive games.

Finally, I would prefer to observe first before making comment about certain players. The season is till very young. Chicha is proving to have improved greatly on his poor attacking build up. With the second half performance of Chicha, Kagawa and Nani, we might just be okay for the season. But overall, the unsong hero in the Liverpool game was Jones. Rafael was very very good. But Jones off the ball movements was vital for the whole of the backline, he was always looking to fill any vacuum left in the entire backline. He made the job even easier for Smalling, Evans and Rafael.

See below comment by a Cardinal and pay attention to the last paragraph.



Catholics have been silent for too long in the face of the deceit of the homosexual agenda – Cardinal Raymond Burke

By Deacon Nick Donnelly, on September 27th, 2013

Cardinal Raymond Burke, the Church’s top canon lawyer and prefect for the Apostolic Signatura, has said that Catholics have been silent for far too long in the face of the deceit of the homosexual agenda out of fear of political correctness.

The cardinal also urged the faithful to practice “much prayer and fasting” to counter the growing threat of the homosexual agenda.

“The alarming rapidity of the realization of the homosexual agenda ought to awaken all of us and frighten us with regard to the future of our nation,” he said. “This is a work of deceit, a lie about the most fundamental aspect of our human nature, our human sexuality, which after life itself defines us. There is only one place these types of lies come from, namely Satan. It is a diabolical situation which is aimed at destroying individuals, families, and eventually our nation.”

“The fact that these kinds of ‘arrangements’ are made legal is a manifestation of a culture of death, of an anti- life and anti- family culture which has existed in our nation now for some time,” he said.

Catholics have not engaged the battle for the family effectively, he said, “because we have not been taught our Catholic Faith, especially in the depth needed to address these grave evils of our time.”

“This is a failure of catechesis both of children and young people that has been going on for fifty years,” he continued. “It is being addressed, but it needs much more radical attention.”

“There is far too much silence — people do not want to talk about it because the topic is not ‘politically correct,’” he added. “But we cannot be silent any longer or we will find ourselves in a situation that will be very difficult to reverse.”

The Cardinal said Catholics risk facing increasing persecution, such as the inability to even work in fields like education and healthcare, if the government remains on its present course.

“If the present government, which can be described in no other way than totalitarian, is not held back from the course it is on, these persecutions will follow,” he said. “It will not be possible for Catholics to exercise most of the normal human services whether in health care, education, or social welfare because in conscience they will no longer be able to do what the government demands: to cooperate in grave moral evil. We are heading in that direction and even see it now.”

He urged Americans to take the example of France, where the people have reacted strongly to government imposition of same-sex “marriage.” “The French people are out on the streets in protest — one demonstration had upwards of two million people,” he said. “There has arisen in France among the people the will to resist the government and that is what we need in this country.”

Asked how Catholics can reconcile the fact that they are told not to vote for political candidates who support grave intrinsic evils, while these same politicians are given honors at Catholic universities and public Catholic funerals, he said, “You cannot reconcile it.”

“It is a contradiction, it is wrong, it is a scandal, and it must stop!” he said. “We live in a culture with a false sense of dialogue — which has also crept into the Church — where we pretend to dialogue about open and egregious violations of the moral law.”

“Can we believe it is permissible to recognize publicly people who support open and egregious violations, and then act surprised if someone is scandalized by it?”

Protect the Pope comment: It’s a nonsense for people to say that Catholics have focused too much on the great moral evils of our time such as abortion and gay marriage and sex, when in fact as a result of the collapse of catechesis since Vatican II, the majority of Catholics have been reduced to silence. In the face of the political push to enshrine gay marriage and the normalisation of deviancy, and the Silent Holocause of 1.7 billion babies killed through abortion since the 1970′s Catholics must shout from the roof tops and take to the streets.
http://protectthepope.com/?p=8434

Syncan: @ Elampiro, I am appalled that you'd bring in a blogger's write up to defend your position against the Pope. As a child of the church, it will be enough disturbances to harbour such a thought, as to propel you towards better proof and more insightful and balanced judgement on the situation. Could you supply me with where your writer was defending the Pope as you claimed, or have you not noticed his obvious dislike for Jesuits in his earlier posts? We need to be very careful when we actually delve into issues that have far reaching implications such as questioning the ability of Jesus to protect his Church, or making a subtle mockery of a Pope emeritus. An example is the question Italo has been asking you, that question is deep; and it is based on your assertion that it arose. You as a catholic must have heard ridiculous condemnations against the catholic faith, which is born out of partial or complete ignorance, you must have had a good laugh at such times or pity the proponent. Yet it doesn't mean the unfortunate individual is not convinced of his being on the right...just like you. What that blogger did was to ridicule every avenue of defense and not to disprove it. It's such a clear example of the saying, “for he that does not believe; no explanation is possible...". His predecessor resigned voluntarily just like...at least an earlier Pope, He was elected just like other Popes, and he is authentic, for his election has violated no rule. In the church will always be the "Pharisees (keepers of the letters of the law), the sinners (breakers of the law) and the saints (fulfilling the law by their life). The good shepherd has a duty to lead all gently unto the right path, just like Christ did. Do read again the CCC on homosexuality. We ought to pray more in these times, for the "enemy cometh at night to so weeds in the garden".

1. You aren't telling me anything new. I know how the non catholics have been ridiculing the church. But my argument is from a different angle.

2. Italo's question is fully understood by me. Should I answer it sincerely, there will be an irrecoverable earthquake. I wanted the future to speak for itself, but gradually you guys are pushing me.

3. Which blogger did I quote. I haven't quoted any blogger. I only posted comments from Vatican officials and Pope Benedict from reputable international news media.

3. The difference between Pope Benedict's election and that of Pope Francis is that in the former, a death of a Pope gave birth to another. Marian and Jesus end time messages to catholic seers in the last 100 years till now have told us that this would happen. Even now the current messages correctly stated exactly what is happening now. I have told you guys that I want to keep this low for now.

babyosisi: The police in Lagos State, western Nigeria, have shut a church where a two-year old baby girl was allegedly buried alive at Egbeda.
Already, the police at Idimu Division have exhumed the body of the victim for autopsy and arrested [size=18pt]the pastor of the church identified as Dare Ogunloye.[/size]
Sources told P.M.NEWS that the DPO, Mike Ochuko, ordered his men to exhume the corpse from the church premises for autopsy..
The incident [size=18pt]happened at Christ Gospel Apostolic Church located at Destiny Avenue, Egbeda[/size], close to the Palace of the traditional ruler
of Egbeda kingdom, Oba Samson Balogun.
Following the incident, the monarch has called on the Lagos State Government to close down the church permenantly if the allegation was true.
Oba Balogun said he was informed about the incident by his wife and it was very strange to him and the residents because his area has been peaceful.
He said he did not know that the incident happened very close to him until journalists came calling for his comments on the matter.
He said the police should thoroughly investigate the matter and bring those involved to justice.

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/09/25/baby-buried-alive-in-church/

The place already looks like a burial ground.
They should dig up the whole place,there could be many skeletons underneath

So why were some posters defending the pastor?

montelik: Honestly Moyes reported comments in that interview deeply distressed me. I had to keep reciting Baba's words (stand by the new manager, as you did with me) in order not to lose all hope and confidence. I will try to not say anymore and just continue hoping he comes good eventually and we don't fall away before he hopefully gets up to speed.

Those comments by the boss are enough to weaken morale of the fans. The only good thing he can achieve from it is to make the players know they are indispensable.

Confidence suddenly dropped.

It is now left for the players to prove him (and everyone else) wrong. Massive sack looms in January and next summer.

That wasn't Fellaini's fault at all.

italo: @ elampiro

You think Benedict XVI is the man of God and Francis, the agent of satan.

If that were true, he would frankly say or let us know that Francis is an agent of satan.

It seems that elampiro knows more than Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI of what is happening at the Vatican]

Why are you repeating your previous post?

I reserve any further comment for now.

chrisley024: 2nd n 3rd goals. D guy is not wat we need simple!

VP likely to miss 2nite's match.

I think you should watch those goals again. Did you expect Fellaini to have escorted Aguero into he 6 yard area while Evra and co were waiting there? He did well to have stopped at the edge of the 18 box because should the cross or loose ball falls back, he would be there to clear it. Evra's only option/positioning in the box for the first goal was to pick Aguero, he didn't.

The 3rd goal, look closely who should have headed it out. The ball didn't even get to Fellaini.

chrisley024: Fellaini was average against Bayer Leverkusen. Leverkusen is not even a yard stick to start with.

He did well against Leverkusen. Borrowing Coogar's word, he acted as the hatchet man. He lept higher to win several aerial dues, he tackled toughly and was more mobile in frustrating moves. In that way, Carrick was able to command and dictate the mifield. Carrick was cleaning up and changing the direction of the ball in our favour.

But against City, Fellaini wanted to play like Carrick and he failed. He however made some impact when he was moved to the apex of a three man midfield.

But let's not be too quick to judge our players. Fellaini was not in our preseason and it can be tough sometimes to settle in.

Screwface: How? One goal in how many La Liga matches? Been substituted at any given chance?
Did you see his face when he was been pulled out today?

Neymar isn't shining biko

Have you been watching their matches? The guy just arrived and he is creating chances for his team mates.

@Italo, the writer of the article below has been a renowned defender of Pope Francis in several foreign religion platform. Now surprisingly, look at what he has written:

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It seems the only way left to defend Francis and let him look like a halfway normal Pope instead of a dangerous liberal Neo-modernist, populist, appeasing moderniser is to deny that he is worse than he really is, and to infer from this that he must, then, be good.

At the end of May, Francis excommunicated a mad priest. A pope defrocking and or excommunicating a mad priest is not new or strange, and it is questionable whether it is “news”. For some predictable reason – like the necessity to give Francis a varnish of “tough” orthodoxy for the benefit of the gullible – the news has been echoed, several months after the fact, by the Press after the 12,000 word disaster, prompting desperate cries of “look! He is not the Antichrist!” from the equally desperate defenders of Circus Bergoglio.

The same happens with the nuns, or with the strange idea of Francis “changing the teaching of the Church”.

Well no, Francis is not a mad nun – though Nazi Pelosi seems almost to think he is; but actually not even she does – and it will always be easily possible to find a mad nun telling us that, to her, Francis is not good enough. But this does not prove absolutely anything beside the disquieting fact the mad nun considers the reflection whether the man could be, in fact, good enough a legitimate one, worthy of a statement or a video or an interview or an assertion that he might be “teachable” after all.

Similarly, the assertion that Francis “has not changed Church teaching” means perfectly nothing. The topics about which Francis has caused the biggest stir – abortion and homosexuality – are clearly part of the universal and ordinary Magisterium. The bishop of Rome couldn't change them at all, so Francis not saying “as per midnight new rules will apply” doesn't even begin to be an argument to defend his alleged orthodoxy.

A Pope cannot change Church doctrine. What a bad Pope can do, though, is to downplay or sabotage or subvert important parts of it, and put fluffy sentimentalism and populist waffle of all sorts in its place. This has been a popular sport at the Vatican in these last 50+ years; but clearly, Francis wins the contest hands down and puts every one of his predecessors easily in the shade. In the hit parade for the worst pope since V II he has already left even the 15 years of Paul VI's pontificate easily behind himself, and he a … bishop of Rome only six months. Just imagine what he will do in ten or fifteen years.

The devastation caused by this man is now apparent, but there are still those who believe the entire planet is stupid and doesn't understand, for the thirtieth time, what Francis wanted to say. Some of them now begin to say that, perhaps, it might be a mistake to cause an earthquake a week with his oh so orthodox interventions; still, that dozens of interventions show a clear pattern of thinking and behaviour does not enter their elevated and perceptive minds. No. We just don't get the man, that's all.

You see, Francis is a sly, cunning man. A genius he is not, a Jesuit he clearly is. He knows how the church works, and how the V II crowd thinks. Therefore, he goes on with his work of destruction, comfortable in the knowledge that he will never be short of clericalist cheerleaders, whilst looking oh so good in the eyes of the enemies of Christ. The orthodox Catholics, on the other hand, he feels free to offend in that humble, non-judgmental way of his, and calls them various names, among which “obsessed”, “Restorationists”, “Disciplinarians”, and “Pelagians” come to mind, not to mention “hypocrites” and “cowards”.

Yes, Francis is against the ordination of women. Of course he is, this is Catholic dogma. Yes, he will defrock or excommunicate a priest every now and then, when there is really no alternative. But this proves exactly nothing concerning the main problem of Francis, the daily downplaying, sabotaging or subverting Catholic teaching in his quest for popularity and approval.

It's like wanting to defend Che Guevara stating that he wasn't Stalin after all.

It says little, and it proves nothing.

Mundabor http://mundabor./2013/09/24/absurd-arguments/

@Italo, I am deliberately leaving out some statements/argument for the future. It is not that I don't know what to say or how to respond to the numerous questions you are asking me.

Zabaleta: 'I saw Wayne Rooney. He was one of their main players, he tried more than anyone else in Manchester United team.'

Someone who made passes just to save himself from being dispossess is now termed to be a hero of the day. There is a pass we use to call 'make e no spoil for my hand'

In football, there are passes, there are passes and there are passes.

Which particular Fellaini's pass created a clear chance for Rooney or Welbeck? Instead it was Rooney that had to take the responsibility of trying to create chances for others.

Meanwhile, Neymar is shining seriously in Barca.

1. I saw the stat earlier on, I think it is highly misleading. 2. My take on Valencia and Smalling defensive performance. I think Valencia first duty is to the forward before defence. Valencia has always done well defensively and he did much defensively against City. Agreed he didn't assist Smalling to prevent the crossing that led to the first goal, but the major fault for that goal goes to Evra. Smalling had a chance of taking that ball but he was reluctant. On his part, Evra was looking at how the ball would be crossed instead of picking a man- the only man in the box against three.




Toure's stats
Goals: 1
Passes: 52
Pass Accuracy: 86.5%
Accurate Opposition Half Passes: 28
Chances Created: 2

Fellaini's stats
Goals: 0
Passes: 65
Pass Accuracy: 92.3%
Accurate Opposition Half Passes: 46
Chances Created: 0

Look at the last sentence: Pope Benedict said frankness is part of dialogue.

Pope Benedict challenges atheist, says he never hid abuse cases.

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- In a letter to an atheist Italian mathematician, retired Pope Benedict XVI defended his own handling of allegations of the intimate abuse of minors by clergy and politely criticized the logician's total reliance on scientific facts for meaning.

"I never sought to conceal these things," the pope said of cases of clerical abuse, and lamented the scholar depicting the church as the only place where such "deviation" and "filth" occur.

The publication of the retired pope's comments Sept. 24 to an atheist scholar came the same month a written letter by Pope Francis to an Italian journalist concerning dialogue with nonbelievers was published. Both letters were published, with the two popes' permission, by the Italian daily La Repubblica.

The paper released long excerpts of Pope Benedict's original 11-page response to Piergiorgio Odifreddi, a prolific science writer who authored the book, "Dear Pope, I Write to You" in 2011. The book, presented as a letter to Pope Benedict, proposes the superiority of a worldview in which belief should stem only from things that can be understood and empirically known over worldviews that include belief in things that cannot be fully understood or known.

The pope's response, dated Aug. 30, thanked Odifreddi for seeking to juxtapose his ideas against the pope's own writings "and, thus, with my faith."

The pope, who has long engaged in dialogue with nonbelievers, most notably with his "Courtyard of the Gentiles" initiative and his 2011 Assisi gathering, said he appreciated Odifreddi's efforts to engage in a frank and open dialogue with the Catholic faith.

However, the pope said he met "with deep dismay" Odifreddi's unspecified comments about the clerical abuse scandals.

The pope, who was the first pontiff to meet with abuse victims, had spoken out forcefully against "the filth" in the church, clarified church laws to expedite cases, and mandated bishops' conferences put in place stringent norms against abuse, among a number of other initiatives.

In his letter, the pope said he never tried to cover up allegations.

"That the power of evil seeps all the way into the inner world of the faith is a source of suffering for us." Not only must the church bear the burden of this evil, but it also must "do everything possible so that such cases never repeat themselves," he wrote.

While there "is no reason to find solace in the fact that, according to research by sociologists, the percentage of priests guilty of these crimes is no higher than those present in other similar professional fields," neither should people "ostensibly present this deviation as if it were filth pertaining only to Catholicism," Pope Benedict wrote.

Just as it is wrong "to be silent about the evil in the church," it is wrong to remain silent about the good, holy and loving service the church has offered, he said.

Pope Benedict said he read Odifreddi's book "with pleasure and benefit."

However, he also offered some sharp criticisms against Odifreddi's arguments as well as his neglect of and lack of explanation for very real and observable phenomena such as love, liberty and evil.

The pope said it was curious that someone like Odifreddi, who considers theology to be nothing but "science fiction," would even consider the pope's works as "worthy of such a detailed discussion."

The retired pope said one of the things the two men have in common is a belief in a First Cause to the universe, only[b] Odifreddi replaces God with "Nature" as the origin.

"But the question remains, who or what is this nature," the pope asked.

Nowhere does the scholar offer a definition, making "it appear, therefore, as an irrational divinity that explains nothing."[/b][b][/b]

Concerning Odifreddi's "religion of mathematics," the pope said nowhere does this belief system consider three major human realities: "freedom, love and evil."

"I'm amazed that with just one stroke you eliminate freedom, which has existed and is the fundamental principle of the modern era."

"Whatever neurobiology says or doesn't say about freedom, this is present as a decisive reality in the actual unfolding of our history, and it must be taken into consideration."

Odifreddi's religion of mathematics also lacks any thought or discussion about love and evil, too, the pope said.

"A religion that neglects these fundamental questions remains empty," he said.

The pope, who has also long-supported the compatibility of faith and science as both being dedicated to the truth, underlined that the task of theology is to keep religion and reason closely connected.

One without the other will lead to certain dangerous "pathologies" in either religion or reason, he said.

Pope Benedict said science fiction exists in many areas of science, especially in some theories about the beginning and end of the world.

"I would define (Odifreddi's thoughts on this) as science fiction in the good sense of the word -- they are views and forecasts in order to reach real understanding, but they are, in fact, only (products of) imagination with which we try to get closer to reality."

The pope also gave Odifreddi some recommended readings to address the mathematician's doubts about being able to know anything for certain about the historical figure of Jesus.

Just because there is shoddy research out there "doesn't compromise the importance of serious historical research," which has brought real and certain knowledge about the figure of Jesus, the pope said.

He said "historical-critical exegesis is necessary for faith, which doesn't propose myths" out of historical figures and events, but demands a history that is based on truth and facts, and presents such findings with scientific rigor.

"All of my efforts have been aimed at showing how the Jesus described in the Gospels is also the real historical Jesus; that it is history that has really taken place," Pope Benedict said, referring to his writings on Jesus of Nazareth.

The pope ended his letter admitting he may have been harsh in some of his criticisms, but that "frankness is part of dialogue."

END

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304027.htm

Pope Benedict challenges atheist, says he never hid abuse cases.

By Carol Glatz
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- In a letter to an atheist Italian mathematician, retired Pope Benedict XVI defended his own handling of allegations of the sexual abuse of minors by clergy and politely criticized the logician's total reliance on scientific facts for meaning.

"I never sought to conceal these things," the pope said of cases of clerical abuse, and lamented the scholar depicting the church as the only place where such "deviation" and "filth" occur.

The publication of the retired pope's comments Sept. 24 to an atheist scholar came the same month a written letter by Pope Francis to an Italian journalist concerning dialogue with nonbelievers was published. Both letters were published, with the two popes' permission, by the Italian daily La Repubblica.

The paper released long excerpts of Pope Benedict's original 11-page response to Piergiorgio Odifreddi, a prolific science writer who authored the book, "Dear Pope, I Write to You" in 2011. The book, presented as a letter to Pope Benedict, proposes the superiority of a worldview in which belief should stem only from things that can be understood and empirically known over worldviews that include belief in things that cannot be fully understood or known.

The pope's response, dated Aug. 30, thanked Odifreddi for seeking to juxtapose his ideas against the pope's own writings "and, thus, with my faith."

The pope, who has long engaged in dialogue with nonbelievers, most notably with his "Courtyard of the Gentiles" initiative and his 2011 Assisi gathering, said he appreciated Odifreddi's efforts to engage in a frank and open dialogue with the Catholic faith.

However, the pope said he met "with deep dismay" Odifreddi's unspecified comments about the clerical abuse scandals.

The pope, who was the first pontiff to meet with abuse victims, had spoken out forcefully against "the filth" in the church, clarified church laws to expedite cases, and mandated bishops' conferences put in place stringent norms against abuse, among a number of other initiatives.

In his letter, the pope said he never tried to cover up allegations.

"That the power of evil seeps all the way into the inner world of the faith is a source of suffering for us." Not only must the church bear the burden of this evil, but it also must "do everything possible so that such cases never repeat themselves," he wrote.

While there "is no reason to find solace in the fact that, according to research by sociologists, the percentage of priests guilty of these crimes is no higher than those present in other similar professional fields," neither should people "ostensibly present this deviation as if it were filth pertaining only to Catholicism," Pope Benedict wrote.

Just as it is wrong "to be silent about the evil in the church," it is wrong to remain silent about the good, holy and loving service the church has offered, he said.

Pope Benedict said he read Odifreddi's book "with pleasure and benefit."

However, he also offered some sharp criticisms against Odifreddi's arguments as well as his neglect of and lack of explanation for very real and observable phenomena such as love, liberty and evil.

The pope said it was curious that someone like Odifreddi, who considers theology to be nothing but "science fiction," would even consider the pope's works as "worthy of such a detailed discussion."

The retired pope said one of the things the two men have in common is a belief in a First Cause to the universe, only Odifreddi replaces God with "Nature" as the origin.

"But the question remains, who or what is this nature," the pope asked.

Nowhere does the scholar offer a definition, making "it appear, therefore, as an irrational divinity that explains nothing."

Concerning Odifreddi's "religion of mathematics," the pope said nowhere does this belief system consider three major human realities: "freedom, love and evil."

"I'm amazed that with just one stroke you eliminate freedom, which has existed and is the fundamental principle of the modern era."

"Whatever neurobiology says or doesn't say about freedom, this is present as a decisive reality in the actual unfolding of our history, and it must be taken into consideration."

Odifreddi's religion of mathematics also lacks any thought or discussion about love and evil, too, the pope said.

"A religion that neglects these fundamental questions remains empty," he said.

The pope, who has also long-supported the compatibility of faith and science as both being dedicated to the truth, underlined that the task of theology is to keep religion and reason closely connected.

One without the other will lead to certain dangerous "pathologies" in either religion or reason, he said.

Pope Benedict said science fiction exists in many areas of science, especially in some theories about the beginning and end of the world.

"I would define (Odifreddi's thoughts on this) as science fiction in the good sense of the word -- they are views and forecasts in order to reach real understanding, but they are, in fact, only (products of) imagination with which we try to get closer to reality."

The pope also gave Odifreddi some recommended readings to address the mathematician's doubts about being able to know anything for certain about the historical figure of Jesus.

Just because there is shoddy research out there "doesn't compromise the importance of serious historical research," which has brought real and certain knowledge about the figure of Jesus, the pope said.

He said "historical-critical exegesis is necessary for faith, which doesn't propose myths" out of historical figures and events, but demands a history that is based on truth and facts, and presents such findings with scientific rigor.

"All of my efforts have been aimed at showing how the Jesus described in the Gospels is also the real historical Jesus; that it is history that has really taken place," Pope Benedict said, referring to his writings on Jesus of Nazareth.

The pope ended his letter admitting he may have been harsh in some of his criticisms, but that "frankness is part of dialogue."

END

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304027.htm

Another straight and direct comment from Pope Benedict.