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RuuDie: My sentiments exactly...
But the moment Rooney gets moved out of position; his Manager, the press, fans sometimes I even suspect Roy Hodgson and the FA get involved too and start creating so much of a fuss!

Moyes needs to be brave and Rooney, professional...in the end, its all for the good of the team!

This is not the problem and I don't believe your conspiracy theory.

RuuDie: I am not even talking about yesterday... I am speaking generally, in the long-term; and I am not trying to blame Rooney for anything.

In our whole line-up presently, Kagawa is the best person suited to playing that role... Rooney is an "asset" to UTD in that he is a bit versatile. But right now, he is more of a stumbling block (not his fault by any means) and UTD needs him now more than ever. if we can somehow get him to "agree" to play on the left without it causing a furore (player's manager, press and fans influence etc), a lot of pressure will definitely be off the manager and we may get to see a bit more stablity in the side.

Like Chamotex said, a lot of effort is being put in to keep Rooney happy - which is good in a sense - but this may also be "hurting" the team. I think this is really one "issue" that really has tobe cleared.

I don't care who plays where as far as we get results.

I don't think Rooney has a problem playing from the left. If it's Kagawa or Nani that will win us matches let them go ahead. The season is long, with time positions will be interchanged. Some players will pick form while others drop form.


But for now, the coach should go and hide Ferdinand, Anderson and Butttner. Anderson is only good at the apex of three man midfield.


Our midfield should have Carrick and Cleverly/Fellaini. Then Jones or Anderson can be used at the base and apex of a 3 man midfield respectively. But Fellaini can also be at the apex as we had in the City game when Cleverly came in.

One problem we have now is that some of our senior players were not available in the preseason and Fellaini came in too late.

Nani should have been helping our attack to take shape from the start of the season. He played well but not in unison with the rest of his mates. The strikers should tune to Nani's music. I hope he remains consistent.

Evans should be ahead of Ferdinand in selection.

Had everyone been around, the preseason might have thrown up a lot of things which should have help in blending and knowing favorite players for different settings .

It's a pity. But we can still be strong.

Keep on defending deceits and anti-bible new age teachings.

The following clearly exposed you.

(A) You deny the Vatican English translation of the Popes. Words.

(B) You produce another version interpreted by a non authority of the church. So tell me, for Popes statements, where should the faithful go for authenticity? Circular newspaper or a blg or commentaries or the Vatican media? Let us know.

(C) The Pope has a whole 8 lines paragraph where he called Jesus a sinner, but you hid 7 and a half lines and only produce a twisted phrase.

(D) USA is like old Israel, the 'Jews people of God'. Ther nations may be wayward in their laws on morals, USA should preserve theirs. Same with the Catholic church from other churches. Destroy these two institutions with deceits, we have the Great Tribulation before us.

Finally, schism can't be avoided at this time. There will be abomination of desolation in the holy place and even the elect will be deceived. When the schism comes from the top, I will know whether you will keep defending lies and deceits.

chamotex: Can't you see that Moyes is kissing Rooney's arsse at the moment because he doesn't want him to leave.
So he's playing him in his favourite position in order to make him happy.
I bet he's not even brave enough to even substitute Rooney if/when he's having a bad game any time soon.

Kagawa can not offer us anything on the left but its easier to shift him wide instead of Rooney.
Our wingers are not on form at the moment so Rooney can't do any worse on the flanks.
Rooney will offer us more on the left wing or even in CM than anyone else in the team at the moment.

--------------- RVP

----Rooney. Kagawa Nani

-------- Cleverley. Carrick

The Kagawa I have seen so far can not make Rooney to vacate any position in Manchester United. Should you play Kagawa behind Chihca with the kind of midfield and defence combination yesterday, it would be a total disaster. Westbrom would have had a party monopolising the ball and terrorising our defence.

May be if Kagawa had a run of games he would be great, but for now he is just ordinary.

RuuDie: Kagawa or any other midfielder for that matter will never get the brief to play that #10 or "in the hole", behind the striker role unless Rooney is out of the way or played on the wings...
Moyes needs to be firm about this. Its a very hard decision to make but if we are going to get any sort of creativity from that area of the pitch, Rooney just has to vacate that role.

This is purely out of sentiment.

The problem yesterday wasn't Rooney. How would the number 10 be creative when he had to go and help recover the ball. Did you not see how he exchanged intelligent passes with Kagawa towards the end of the first half. He was also setting up Nani to run wide.

If Rooney is rated 7.5, Kagawa should be 6.

For anyone to function well in the number 10 role, there has to a dominant midfield and a strong defence.

chrisley024: DM must be high on sth to have removed Kagawa early cos we looked like we gonna score until his withdrawal, then we became porous.
Similar to City game; wen ur mid is suffering make addition but he wouldnt. Is he so daft?.

Kagawa was not all that good, but his presence was far better than Janujaz.

The selection was weak. But had the substitution been well planned, we could have run away with a one-nil or two-nil.

1. Anderson should have been out first.
2. Hernadez.
3. Rooney on the 70th minute. Rooney had been running his ass off in the last few games. It was even worse in the first half yesterday because of our poor denfence and midfield.

1. Fellaini should have come in first.
2. RVP for Chicha
3. Welbeck for Rooney/Kagawa depending who was showing sign of freshness in the last quarter of the match.



When RVP came in yesterday, I expected him to be the one doing the running and making himself available for passes, but he did not. He should also support the overall play.

Syncan: 1. CNN said it could not be verified, meaning that even they do not hold them in much credulity... But you, it became a canon for you. What the grapevine said he supports is now authentic to you, and what he supports openly is fake for you. I wonder the one you think the church is interested in, his secret thoughts or public actions.

2. What an impression you have of the one you call the shepherd...quite unfortunate, he is both the shepherd and the devils advocate for you.

3. I made sure i submitted the link to the poster who made that observation and his explanations. It wasn't mine and I referred you to where I got it from.... yet you accuse me of trying to mislead

4. Pope Francis has preached so much on homosexual acts, condemning it and fighting against it, even to risking his life. He is now the leader of the church, the mission giving to the church is not to go into the world and preach against homosexual, no, it is still "go into the world and spread the good news". Each time he is interviewed, it is homosexual this or homosexual that, for goodness sake, the shepherd have more than 1.8billion heterosexuals he needs to lead and numerous heterosexuals he needs to preach the good news to. Stop distracting him!

5. I am fully aware of all these prophecies, and I am also close to my scriptures. I am watching the times, but I will not cry wolf when there is none, nor accuse the shepherd of being the devil's advocate. I have confidence in the Power of Christ to watch over his flock, I will not castigate his Vicar for something that may be as a result of my ignorance. I hope you will not be too blinded to acknowledge the works of God through his vicar.

1. I will not engage in endless argument with you. Hope to see you again soon in the future when the Pope makes anti-scripture remark again.

2. If you say there is no cause for worry, you are only being over defending him. When the general public can sense danger and you are painting a picture of all is well, I guess you are already been misled by the diluted teachings going on. This diluted teachings which the CCC supported since Vatican II is what led to the widespread homosexual activities and abuse among the clergy. All in the act of mercy for the sinner, a lot of toxic has been mixed with the good Jesus handed over to us. Now look at the embarrassment to the Church.

3. I don't need any body's opinion or defence on what I saw clearly written in black and white on the Vatican website. The Pope's words should stand on their own, they don't require any one to redefine them. The Pope's words in the Vatican website are straight and direct. You and his defenders should stop twisting the words or trying to help him to be Pope.

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Directly from the Vatican Radio:


"What is reconciliation? Taking one from this side, taking another one for that side and uniting them: no, that’s part of it but it's not it ... True reconciliation means that God in Christ took on our sins and He became the sinner for us. When we go to confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: 'This is your sin, and I will sin again'. And Jesus likes that, because it was his mission: to become the sinner for us, to liberate us. "


http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/06/15/pope:_the_christian_life_proclaims_the_road_to_reconcilation_with_god/en1-701813
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4. When Obama came in the very first time, I told people that he won't be good because the prophecies clearly told that he was coming to work against christian morals, people arguing with me then said he was the 'messiah'. Despite his early signs people felt he knew what he was doing. Now, fast forward 5 years after, Obama has single handledly boosted homosexuality, abortion, contraceptives (even in the high school), bestiality in the military, etc. He has got everything against christian teachings legalized. This was done all in the name of protecting human right (in another language, mercy). Now it is against the law in many places to refuse to cover the weddings of gays as a photographer or wedding planner.

Every twisting of the truth or watering it down should be uprooted from the start else it becomes too late. How naive people have become. "When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on earth?" luke 18:8.

If you play football and you can't recover or don't plan how to recover the ball quickly from your opponents, it means you are leaving yourself with only a few minutes on tha ball out of the 90. Your time on the ball determines how many chances you can create. Your opponent's time on the ball determines how much they can punish you.

Moyes should take our midfield serious and plans how to recover the ball quickly when lost.

SailorXY: 1. You can rightly argue that kagawa's withdrawal was naïve on Moyes' part, you'll get no counter altho I thought Kagawa got injured or something, but saying Welbeck or Valencia would have been preferred subs cuz they have 'power to join defensive play'? Please... These guys won't even have a goal attempt & we were playing West Brom not Barcelona #nuffsaid
2. Anderson was the singular link between defence & attack through the middle. You can argue that enough cover wasn't there for the CBs that was why Kagawa & Rooney kept over-working but that is not Anderson's fault. Carrick was the pin-man & Anderson had the mobile job which he was doing as evidenced by his couple of attempts. If the middle was weak, the coach should be the man to tweak it up with more bodies in there, not replacing a mobile guy for a static one to pair another static guy #reference the City game
Buttner did his job as far as defending is concerned! He had no fault whatsoever in the 2 goals conceded, so that point is null
3. By "too many inexperience" you mean Januzaj & Buttner? Lollz
They didn't even function at same flank bro so #null
4. The solution is a 3-man midfield which must include a tackler like Jones cuz of his mobility
Jones----Carrick-----Fellaini with Fellaini functioning as the arrow man to join the attack or
Jones----Anderson----Cleverley with Anderson as the arrow man or Jones----Fellaini----Cleverley
Moyes can even try the 3-5-2 with Smalling-Vidic-Evans while a full back joins the midfield like Liverpool #since our wingers are terrible anyway# & play more through the middle but that will mean sacrificing a full back

1. Kagawa wasn't injured. The coach said he wanted more intensity to create chances. ...... Janujaz was the wrong choice. We didn't threaten in the first half because Rooney and Kagawa were going to help the back. When Nani burst free with power into the opponents area, it took a while for Rooney and Kagawa to arrive from their defensive help/transporting the ball forward from our first third. What was needed was someone who could help in recovering the ball from the Westbrom midfielders and transport it to our attack too. Janujaz was the worst choice for that. How many times did you see Rooney in our box area when Fellaini came?

2. As a defender, you don't have to let in a goal from your position before anyone can conclude whether you were good or poor. Buttner was very poor. Kagawa would pass to him, he will run with the ball into trouble, try a leg over, then wins a throw-in or make a wayward cross. He was as bad as Jones. Anderson only succeeded in making wayward runs forward. He hardly had any meaningful use of the ball on occasions he successfully drove through into the opponents half.

3. Janujaz started from Buttner flank. He gave away three balls in his first three touches and one led to the first goal for West Brom. He was bullied off the ball while trying school tricks. He has to mature first before given the kind of role he had today.

Nursy: I am very sure ϒ♡υ want to start a church, that is why ϒ♡υ are coming up with all these. Whether pope Francis is for real or not, that won't make me leave a place that makes me know the real existence of God. I wish ϒ♡υ luck in ur search for members!

Do you read what I have been writing at all? If you have read it all and you have good knowledge of the Catholic church you won't write the way you just did.

We are together on nairaland, we will keep talking about future developments, then I will know where you stand.

Syncan: 2. CNN said they could not verify what you claimed(and it is there in your link),what is the need refuting what is not there in the first place?

It is you who is getting things wrong. The CCC said the cause is yet unknown, how do you preach against a condition. What you preach against is the act, that's why he fought against the legalization of same sex marriage. He is doing the exact same thing you profess but do not practice.

3. I feel like having a good laugh here. He signed the excommunication of the priest, the priest is feeling bad against him, now you're claiming it is Benedict's hand work...so he completes what Benedict started and you still accuse him of working for the evil one. Which one the poor man go do to please you na?

4. The scripture i quoted is clear on its content, even if you feel odd quoting it correctly, it is still scripture. I have shown you the Spanish translation of his homily, which was given in Italia and not English, It was from the radio Vaticana too :

http://www.news.va/es/news/el-cristiano-no-piensa-en-su-paz-anuncia-la-de-cri

If those the Pope talked to understood it the way you do, you think it wont get more knocks than just your NL campaign? His message is clear, It is rare and deep theology and it is rooted in scriptures. The English translation is flawed and does not correspond to the others.

5. Pure lie. You have since refused to show me how he contradicted the CCC

6. I am not here to castigate any Pope just like you, I only brought it out to refute your claim that there was no perceived change of approach
Pope Francis has excommunicated a priest for supporting gay marriage, Pope Francis led the campaign against legalization of same sex marriage in Argentina, Pope Francis condemned gay lobbyists. Pope Francis calls on homosexuals to seek the Lord. He hates the Sin but Loves the Sinner. He came in the midst of controversies, the church was actually not having a good time, leading to the resignation of Benedict, He has borne the controversies in his shoulder, he was prepared for it.

7. Stay there and be castigating what you have no control over while people are making heaven. Mother Teresa, Pope JP II etc are Post Vatican II saints in the making. Continue seeing satan in everything.

1. CNN clearly quoted their sources which are friends and workers of Pope Francis. Did you expect him to have openly said he was in support of homosexuality? Don't be naive.

2. He completed what Benedict started so that he would been seen to be the same conservative Pope as Benedict. Even Judas did some great good works.

3. If you were not trying to mislead us why should you give us Spanish version of a speech given in Italy whereas the maker of the speech have produced it in English and other languages. I don't understand Spanish, so I won't know when you tell lies in it.

4. He contradicted the bible and the CCC? Did the bible and the CCC say we should speak or preach less of homosexuality?

5. I have told you, the future will soon throw up a lot of things. I hope you won't follow and defend lies or anti-gospel? I am not going to continue this endless argument with you because I know the future will soon speak for itself and we will meet again to discuss this things. The Catholic church as you know it will climb its Calvary and a good number will follow errors. Just watchout! The true Catholicism will have to go underground. It will be suppressed. I hope you will not be defending new age teachings just because you feel you have an obligation to defend the church?

SailorXY: If we can tell ourselves some truth, do u think Valencia or Young would have had any better attempts than Januzaj did?taking on his marker & always looking to move forward?
When Fellaini joined Carrick in the middle, did you believe there was an improvement to our game? Please! The midfield became damn flat, Nani had to become the No. 10 cuz none of Fallaini or Carrick can drive with the ball @ feet from back to front
Look I'll prefer we blend in true attacking & defensive talents and suffer on the short term, than persist with johnbulls & keep 'managing'. If this is true a transition period, we should take our time & become a force to reckon with.
And for Anderson & Buttner, what did they do wrong? I'm yet to figure that out. They covered their flanks pretty well, I don't even remember any do a thing erratic

1. We didn't need to bring another winger in place of Kagawa when the central midfield was suffering. If we needed to change Kagawa, we should have gone for power in Welbeck or Valencia. At least when they join in the defence, they have so much to offer there. Janujaz is a talent, but he is a gamble for now, particularly when the game is deadlock.

2. Anderson was running/driving the ball and confusing himself. Fellaini offered a more balanced play in terms of team work. Buttner should learn to defend before trying to attack. He didn't defend well and he was aimless when he got the ball.

3. We cannot have too many changes at same time. We can't bring in too many inexperience players at the same time. If we are missing Rafael on the right, Evra should be on the left. If we had Buttner at the back, we shouldn't have Janujaz in his front.

The only thing that appeared to be making sense was Rooney and Kagawa exchange of passes on the left and the coach scattered it early in the second half.

4. The truth is that with what Nani played, our attack should have done very well had there not been worries at the back. United had to think of how to take recover the ball quickly from opponents. That was a problem today. Whenever we lost the ball, recovery it was a problem. That was why I blamed the midfield where we were bullied around.

This is the same team that beat Liverpool except:

1. Ferdinand came into the defence.

2. Anderson came into the midfield.

3. Jones went to the right back from the midfield.

From another angle.

1. Smalling did not play.

2. Giggs did not play.

3. Rafael did not play.

4. Carrick for Jones in the midfield meant we lost the direct tackling power.

chrisley024: I think we should go with 3-man mid b4 this 2-man relegate us.

Exactly.

I noticed this in the first half. It was further compounded by the shaking display of the back four. I knew we needed to take the midfield completely off the hands of Westbrom. In that way we could have planned our attack. The defence also sat too deep today.

The vacuum in the midfield made Rooney and Kagawa to be running box to box often.

SailorXY: The bad part of the game for me was Rio Ferdinand, the replacement of Anderson with Fellaini & the start given Jones @ right back. The remainder of the team was good enough for the win
Fellaini should have replaced Carrick, Anderson was the mobile guy in the middle with the ability to beat his marker & carry ball @ feet to the strikers.
Januzaj did well even tho he took sometime to get into the flow of the game. I'll still have him there over Valencia & Young 366 days a leap year I read some guys say we wasted a sub by bringing on Januzaj, maybe they were live at Old Traford hm
The Hernandez substitution wasn't necessary IMO, Ferdinand should have been chopped off for Valencia whilst Jones replaces him & function as an auxillary '4' alongside Anderson. They've got enough pace to buy the attackers time to retreat in case there was a counter attack against us & Fellaini pushes forward
Moyes'll still get his chance till the end of the season, after which his accomplishments will determine his fate but till then its only respectable we stand by the team which he is part of

Januzaj's introduction at the deadlock was a very bad decision. He was caught several times in his first set of school tricks. Such a young player should be gradually blend into the first team through games we are winning already.

Anderson is not balanced at all.

My major observation in the first half was that we were not in command of the central midfield. Our defence was giving signs of splitting under pressure. I thought Fellaini would be the first to come in to use his height and physique to bully those guys off the ball, but instead an experienced player was substituted for a young fragile player.

The desire of Moyes to play 4-4-2 seem to be costing us. The selection and tactics are not right yet.

SailorXY: Guy I don't have to be @ d training ground to know that Giggs should RETIRE! I don't need to be there to know that Ferdinand can't be in our defence as first choice in 2013! I don't need to be there to know that Rafael is the best we have @ right back & Valencia should be the second choice there #either that or he ships out# I don't need to be there to know that Young should never have been bought! I don't need to be @ the training ground to know that Buttner, Fabio, Januzaj, Kagawa, Smalling, Hernandez & Zaha need a run of games & not 'one game one bullet-kill' & these are the kind of opponents I'll give them that run cuz we clearly need them up to speed & replace the ageing guys since we can't sign quality no more! Evra, Rio, Vidic, van Persie, Giggs, Carrick will all soon be gone, some as early as next year...

Buttner needs a run of game? I don't like that guy at all.

RVP will soon be gone? To where?

It will be unwise to give too many inexperience players a run of game. Smalling/Jones can be given the central midfield experience. Kagawa and Hernadez are the only ones who need a run of game.

But I am yet to fully understand Hernadez. His goals speaks, but when he doesn't score it looks like we played with 10 men.

Can we now see why SAF couldn't do without Giggs?

The coaches see many things in training. Many of our guys are so inconsistent.

When are we going to get it right this season?

@Italo and Nursy, I am leaving this for now. We shall continue in the future.

SailorXY: ###YAWNS WILDLY###
That was exactly my fault with mediocre players, they must be used all the time yet they build zero momentum & show no improvement YET the moment another guy gets a little space everyone expects him to be a god immediately & when it doesn't happen, we start brandishing sharp machetes & MAC-4s
MTCHEEEEEEEEEWWWWWW

I don't understand your post. Itemise your opinion. Let's have your observation.

1. Under rating the opponent led to non starting of key players like RVP, Evra, Vidic and Rafael.

2. We had two flank players who were weak at retracting to help defence yet Moyes went for a 4-4-2. The central midfield was where we were outplayed. The vacuum meant Kagawa and Rooney had to devout most of their attention on helping the defence instead of concentrating on attack.

3. Janujaz for Kagawa put the nail on the coffin. We lost experience and team work due to wrong substitution and it led to further instability on the left. Janujaz should be used in matches we are two goals ahead. Welbeck or Valencia would have offered an additional force to our midfield to subdue the opponents. The central midfield needed force to chock or overpower Westbrom.

4. Ferdinand, Anderson and Buttner should be taken off the first team completely. Fabio should deputised for Evra. Evans can still play the number 3.

5. Jones should never play the number 2 again. He lacks overlapping skills.

6. Nani was very good today.

7. Next time start Chicha from the bench. He isolates himself so much that he becomes minus one. Probably he would have been our super sub today when we searched dearly for the goals towards the end.

I repeat, Anderson - Buttner- Ferdinand are not Manchester United materials anymore. Buttner has a fake leg over that takes him to the left 100% of the time.

dademola: are we watching d same match?

You obviously didn't see what I saw. Wetin old man sidon see, small pikin no go fit see am even on top tree.


There was an obvious gap in our midfield that led to a gulf between the backline and forward.

Moyes should choke the midfield. There seem to be a wide gap between the defence and attack.

[quote author=Mr_TA]If you think overall valencia has been the best then im going to assume you didnt see the 09/10 season and 10/11 seasons.[/quote]Sometimes this thing is hard to conclude. Nani at a point made us forget we lost Ronaldo to transfer, at some other time Valencia played like he would write a history book with his kind of game on the right flank.

Directly from the Vatican Radio:


"What is reconciliation? Taking one from this side, taking another one for that side and uniting them: no, that’s part of it but it's not it ... True reconciliation means that God in Christ took on our sins and He became the sinner for us. When we go to confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: 'This is your sin, and I will sin again'. And Jesus likes that, because it was his mission: to become the sinner for us, to liberate us. "


http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/06/15/pope:_the_christian_life_proclaims_the_road_to_reconcilation_with_god/en1-701813


Now Italo, tell me if the above is different from what I have been writing? You decided to listen to lies defending the Pope. Spanish ko Italo nil

italo: Pointing out the "errors" in false "quotes" and misquotes of his...with false quotes of other people.

Pope Francis isnt satan's agent anymore?

Everything I have quoted about Pope Francis were on Vatican website and radio. See the above from the Vatican radio.



I did double check before I took them serious.

italo: If I show you where you used false quotes and misquotes from false figures, will you shut up or will you go and bring up 10 more false quotes and misquotes from false figures?

Vaican Radio;




Home > Church >  2013-06-15 12:57:19 






Pope: The Christian life proclaims the road to reconcilation with God





Vatican Radio) Christian life is not a spa therapy "to be at peace until Heaven," but it calls us to go out into the world to proclaim that Jesus "became the sinner" to reconcile men with the Father. These were Pope Francis’ words during his homily at Mass Saturday at the Casa Santa Martha.

The Christian life is not staying in a corner to carve a road which takes you into heaven, but it's a dynamic that encourages one to stay "on the road" to proclaim that Christ has reconciled us to God, by becoming sin for us. In his usual profound and direct way, Pope Francis focuses on a passage from the Letter to the Corinthians, from today's liturgy, in which St. Paul very insistent, almost "in a hurry", uses the term "reconciliation"five times.

"What is reconciliation? Taking one from this side, taking another one for that side and uniting them: no, that’s part of it but it's not it ... True reconciliation means that God in Christ took on our sins and He became the sinner for us. When we go to confession, for example, it isn’t that we say our sin and God forgives us. No, not that! We look for Jesus Christ and say: 'This is your sin, and I will sin again'. And Jesus likes that, because it was his mission: to become the sinner for us, to liberate us. "

It is the beauty and the "scandal" of the redemption brought by Jesus and it is also the "mystery, says Pope Francis, from which Paul draws" zeal "that spurs him to" move forward " telling everyone" something so wonderful "the love of a God" who gave up his Son to death for me. " Yet, explains Pope Francis, there is a risk of "never arriving at this truth" in the moment when "we 'devalue a little the Christian life", reducing it to a list of things to observe and thus losing the ardor, the force of the '"love that is inside" of it:

"But philosophers say that peace is a certain ordered tranquility: everything is tidy and quiet ... That is not the Christian peace! Christian peace is an uneasy peace, not a quiet peace: it is an uneasy peace, which goes on to carry this message of reconciliation. The Christian Peace pushes us to move forward. This is the beginning, the root of apostolic zeal. Apostolic zeal is not to go forward to persuade and make statistics: this year Christians in this country have grown, in this movement ... Statistics are good, they help, but that is not what God wants from us ,is to persuade... What the Lord wants from us is to announce this reconciliation, which is his own core message . "

Concluding his homily the Pope recalls the inner anxiety of Paul. Pope Francis underlines that which defines the "pillar" of Christian life, namely, that "Christ became sin for me! And my sins are there in his body, in his soul! This - says the Pope - it's crazy, but it's beautiful, it's true! This is the scandal of the Cross! "

"We ask the Lord to give us this concern to proclaim Jesus, to give us a bit of 'that Christian wisdom that was born from His pierced side of love. Just a little to convince us that the Christian life is not a spa therapy: to be at peace until Heaven ... No, the Christian life is the road in life with this concern of Paul. The love of Christ urges us on, it pushes us on, with this emotion that one feels when one sees that God loves us. We ask this grace. " Listen to Lydia O'Kane's report

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/06/15/pope:_the_christian_life_proclaims_the_road_to_reconcilation_with_god/en1-701813

italo: @ Elampiro,

The way you viciously antagonize Pope Francis with false quotes and misquotes...

...do we need to look to far to find an agent of satan?

Show me one single place I have misquoted Pope Francis? Show me any English version of his speech I have reported that is not same with what you will find in the Vatican website or Vatican news papers?

You are the one who refuses to see you are supporting errors.

Any time the Pope makes such serious controversial remarks, I must pick it up. The times are dangerous and we must be on the alert.

italo: I was just wondering why a man of God would be writing to an Atheist on less important issues if we had satan's agent leading the Catholic Church.

Would it be more reasonable for him to write to Christians, warning us of this "satan" and his agenda?

You call him satan, not anyone else. What every other person is doing is pointing out or exposing the errors in Pope Francis statements. If not curb, should it continue it will be disastrous.

Syncan: The church should preach what the spirit has taught. Same words, new enlightenment. Before now, I never knew the CCC was even that considerate on homosexuality. Pope Francis has led me to read it, now I know better. Peter has taught me, Praise the Lord!

Hope you know there is a difference in condemning the sinner and condemning the sin?

Syncan: Till he makes that major change ( which is obviously against faith and moral), he continues to be the shepherd.

I have not said he is not currently the shepherd. It is Italo who has been putting words in my mouth that I called Pope Francis an agent of satan. Scan through my writing whether you will see any of such statement. From the start I was focused on the Pope statements. I think I have the liberty to analyze these statements

Syncan: Cardinal Burke did not make that statement, the writer of the article, who share the same opinion as you, wrote that. The quotation mark, is yours.

I only copied everything thinking it was all from the Cardinal. I didn't take note that was a conclusion remark. Thanks for calling my attention to that.

Syncan: @ Elampiro,

1. That's left for you

2. (a) somebody say is always "your word against mine". You must have seen this as well "Alejandro Russo, the rector of the Metropolitan Cathedral in Buenos Aires, said it was unlikely the pope had ever expressed such a view, even in private".

(b) His position is based on the CCC, the church has moderates in the application of their teachings, these are theological positions

(C)His suggestions in the company of fellow bishops is what you question? Do i need to remind you that the church has never been such that everybody has same opinion, You may want to read Acts 15 again. Even the saints disputed about doctrines but submit in humility when the church declares a stand. His stand is based on how far he wishes to stretch the church teaching on homosexuality albeit "They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition".CCC. Check out his recent action in the link below

Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/09/25/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-who-supports-womens-ordination-and-gays/#ixzz2gB0wmPAR


Except you do not even understand the theology of salvation by grace, that Spanish version is all you need. You just said its worse, means you are turning from the truth to clutching on straw.


2. You call 2cor 5:21 a blasphemy? "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God". I really fear for you my friend.



3. You accuse the pope of not preaching against it...., He fought his government to a standstill on the Issue for goodness sake, i do not know who you are listening to. Now he has excommunicated a priest for it. while you are there shouting blasphemy for what you do not understand. Just wikipedia him and learn.

4. Scripture can be twisted or misused you say? hahahaha, Italo did you here that? Elampiro's interpretation of scripture is now the guide. The Vatican did not contradict him, rather the Vatican spokesman reaffirmed the stand of the church, to the media and you, who are bent on misrepresenting him. The quote at the end, I have said it before, is not from Cardinal Burke.

5. Vatican II and Vatican I are different approaches to same subject. Approaches change based on subsisting challenges. people left the church after Vatican II, claiming the church has been taken over by the devil, today even you say JPII was saintly...and he practiced vatican II. It is your responsibility to pray, we have those Christ have put at the head, of whom he will demand accountability, do not delve into unfamiliar territory claiming to be a master and making conclusions based on some sort of ignorance. JPII went to the mosque to pray, some earlier Popes would never have done that, lets not compare Popes here.
We ought to pray more in these times, for the "enemy cometh at night to sow weeds in the garden".

2. Your number 2 above. This is not a matter of word against word. Why did the Argertina church or the bishops not counter deny the newspaper publication? Why did any Vatican official not clear the alleged Pope's remarks?

You still are missing some points about the homosexual remark. Did the CCC said we should not preach against homosexuality? How funny to hide under mercy to twist things. Mercy for the sinner, but preach to him/her.

That excommunication stuff was the handiwork of Benedict. Francis only used it as part of his weapon.

3. The excommunication was a work done under Benedict. The process of excommunication is a long one.

4. The Corth verse you quoted clearly stated that Jesus is One (He) without sin and had taken away the sins of the world by his death. But Pope Francis said we don't have to seek forgiveness when we go to confession. He said we should say ''Jesus here are your sins.... And we will sin again'' he continued that we are not asking for forgiveness because we are handing Jesus' sins back to Him. My friend this is blaspheme.

Compare the Pope's comment with what is in Corithians and you will notice the twist.

Bible said Jesus had no sin. Pope said we should not seek forgiveness of our sins because they are Jesus' sins. And we must state we will sin again. No remorse.

5. The scripture has no two meanings on sexual sins. It is clear. The teachings of the church is very clear too, but Pope Francis has refused to affirm the teachings of the church on sexual sins, instead he is watering it down.

6. In Pope John II 25 years reign only one thing you were able to bring out- he entered a mosque. And he did that just to help negotiate for tolerance for all chrisians in muslim world. He did not tell the atheist they are okay without Jesus. He was against sexual immorality. Has Pope Francis worked even for 1 years? Look at the controversies in just 6 months.

7. Vatican II was a preparatory ground for some of the errors we see today. This is another topic altogether. The smoke of satan has entered the church for some years now and it has been growing.