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eph12:
The defenders are contributing to the goals and assists? I thought that should be the work of the attackers only

We are getting somewhere

So you dont understand when someone say primary duty. You always misinterpret comments.

eph12:
1. Nobody said they are the best midfielders in Europe olodo
2. In 3 sentences explain this: If LFC and MUFC front 3 post almost similar figures in goals + assists and they are top of the league with about 15 more goals than MUFC, what's happening?

Liverpool midfield is their worst department. The front and the back are responsible for their goals and Assists.

I see steady progress under Ole. Even without breaking the bank

Romero made an early save in the match from a ground shot that could gave beaten DDG. He didnt do anything special other than to anticipate the direction of the shot from close range. Also he did well to go off his line and clear balls with his legs.

8 games without losing. 16 goals two against with one of them against Chelsea

Is Romero our lucky card?

eph12:
But then you used would have in that sentence. That's what people use when they're sure of something.

I'm not even interested in that Pogba argument anyways.

You preach stats but when we showed you how very little the difference between our attackers and LFC attackers in terms of goals + assists, you said it's their midfield that's causing it. I hail you o

It is the way you choose to understand it. We have been analysing football here for years and some things or terms have no two meanings. I tried making you understand what stats per 90 minutes meant using different scenarios. This is something some people understood with my first post.

On that Liverpool stuff, I decided to turn your arguments against you. Sometimes being busy means not proof reading or using plenty words to make people understand better.

eph12:
I wouldn't have said anything if he had said Mata would have made more assists but by specifically mentioning 69? Seriously? I haven't seen that one in football before. That was a definitive assertion.

And I am not interested in having long arguments with elampiro. That will just be another long replies of two people talking about different things, in which most times they are both right but refuse to look at what the other is saying because nobody wants to accept the other is right

69 was a presumption.

You are just pushing unnecessary argument.

purpleprincess:
What kind of dumbfucks inhabit the Barcelona thread ? Imagine arguing to claim the right as the most hated club. That is a trophy too? One dundee said Ronaldo has 160 million followers and 7 billion people are on earth so the rest people who don’t follow Ronaldo hate him. Imagine this stupid statement. What the Fück? Then the stupid Barça fan replied: Messi has 130 followers. Less people follow Messi therefore more people hate messi therefore Messi is the most hated player in the world therefore Barcelona is the most hated club in the world. What the Fück ? I mean, These guys are worse than those dudes in dumb and dumber.

Lol

Den no know book

raumdeuter:
coogar was one of the most brilliant football minds this forum has ever seen. He knows his football and he understands the use of logic, He is witty also

This is coming from me who had running footballing battles with him for years

They don't know what they missed.

This one is self explanatory. Hope the baby analysts read text and try to underatand why we bring chances created to per minutes. And sometimes we deduct chances from set play or goals from penalty.

This is how to analyse football. Not the one you learnt from view centre.

This is an example how football is analysed by professionals. You dont just pick total. Otherwise, here RVP had the highest shots and highests shots on targets. To the baby analysts, RVP was a better sthooter than Suarez. But professional analysts took it down to shots per minutes played and accurate shots per minutes played. Then you know Suarez was better. He would shooting more if he played as.many matces.

eph12:
If this is how they were dropping nonsense and misinterpreting stats, I'm glad I missed that

That was when truth and facts were dugged out and established. Not now when someone will just say anything wihtout first doing fact finding.

Arguments were very detailed and wrll anaysed. The reason many of you guys think some of us misinterpret stats is because you dont undrstand football analysis. You are used to the view centre style

Leyqute:
Then look harder.

Is not there. If it were there I would have seen it.

Leyqute:
But you agree that comparing stats/min without considering if the players being compared played similar minutes is the definition of tomfoolery?

I know what you mean by having a good sample. Sometimes even the analysts say players with minimum of 500 minutes or 1,000 minutes. But I never for once saw 2000 units

Fr Mbaka

Time for me to start paying serious attention to him.

eph12:
At a time, Harry Kane always started the season very slow but would pick up in the 3rd month or so and end up topping or being among the top scorers. Imagine how you would jumped to conclusion after 3 months. In football, 1 + 1 is not 2

Go and check chances created players comparison. You would see how Ozil, Rooney, Silva, Mata, Fabregas were being comapred season after season. Those analysts dont care how.many minutes anyone played. Even Coogar used to argue here that so so player stats went up in some instance only because he stayed fit that period. And all the stats we used were based on minutes played.

No one said foorball is mathematics, but stats show who gets high return per 90 minutes played. This is the objective criteria

MRTA7:
I can. Elampiro rarely watches matches. He looks at stats which he needs to affirm his opinion. His statement confirms it. So if you want to keep arguing with him good luck.

Stats are facts. You have not watched half of the football I have watched in my.life.

Pogba was only highest last season based on number of games played. I have proven that there are other team members who were more likely to create chances in a game than Pogba. This is a fact.

You guys can't face fact.

Leyqute:
Now you’re imagining things.

I didn’t say Pogba got the highest in those stats.

I’m saying it isn’t right to compare stats/min when there’s a gulf in total mins played.

The argument started when someone said Pogba got the highest in those stats last season. I thought it was you.

So I had to prove he did only because he played so.many games.

ChristoBam:
Why you dey do like this?

Is football mathematics?

Go and ask the great analysts. That is how players are compared.

ChristoBam:
Please just drop this argument. Cuz you continue to say more silly things the more you argue this thing. ( Not trying to offend you cuz I'm not in the mood for back and forths).

Apart from all the shocking things you've said before, how can you say because a player created 30 chances In 1295 minutes, he'd have created 69 if he has played 3012 minutes.

Football is not mathematics bro. Apart from that, all these fringe players you're mentioning didn't really even play tough games. For example, we haven't really used Mata this season. But he started against Norwich and created a lot of chances. I can bet he won't play against Liverpool. His next start might come against Burnley at Old Trafford. Him fit create 5 chances in that game.

That is how it works in players comparison bu all the renowned sports media. You compare based on per minutes played to know which player os more likely to deliver. Not who has the highest total .

You no know ball at all

Leyqute:
Elampiro fall hand with that statement.

Una no know ball.

That is how stats work. That is how all the reputable sports analysts compare which player is more likely to get a goal or Assist or create a chance.

eph12:
In football? I can't believe this.

If you were to write a bank or multinational company aptitude test, you would fail.

If you as asked if player A does 50 task in 35 appearances and player B does 25 task in 12 appearances. Who is more likely to complete more task or who is more productive between the two, you would quickly say it is player A

Leyqute:
Hmmm. No, you don’t know that. That’s actually popycock. Moreover,



Pogba is a CM, Mata is an AM. Hope you know that.

You said that Pogba got the highest total in those stats. I told you he did that only because he played far more minutes. If all players were to play same number of minutes, Pogna would not be first.

This is true as shown by who is more likely to create a chance, etc per minutes played.

Leyqute:
No arguments there. Mata created more chances than Pogba that season.

Ok.

Even last season, common sense says Mata would still.have created far more of played even 2500 minutes

2018/2019
Mata 1295 minutes 30 chances created
Pogba 3012 minuntes 55 chances created.


Based on simple maths, Mata would have cteated 69 chances if played same minutes as Pogba

Leyqute:
Nemanja Matic says you’re wrong.

I already told you that Pogba, Matic and Lukaku for two seasons ago.

Matic is a DM. Hope you know that.

Leyqute:
Don’t draw unnecessary conclusions.

Let the others play for 2500 mins first (with Pogba playing between 2000-3000 mins) and see how they fare. Let them start matches (including the ones we lose) and then we’ll see how their stats/min is. Then we can make comparisons.

They dont need to play 2500 minutes before we know how they fared jn comparison. We already know they fared better

Leyqute:
Then compare Pogba and Mata stat/min FOR THAT SEASON. If they played similar minutes the next season then you can compare them AGAIN.

I have aleady attached it

See here, the minuted played betwern Mata and Pogba are not far apart. Also Sanchez did half of Pogba's playing minutes.

This buttress the fact that Pogba haf the highest fugures last season because of his high playing time of 35 games of over 3000 minutes. If every other players even played 2500 minutes, some will.beat Pogba on the chaches created stats.

Leyqute:
LooL. Elamps baba you have a big problem.

If it is not black it must be white. Abi?

Pogba hasnt even played up to 300 minutes in the league this season. Surely, you should see why his stats isn’t comparable to anyone who has featured consistently.

I’m not against using stat/min. I’m against comparing stat/min WHEN there’s a staggering gulf between total apps and minutes played.

If the difference isn’t much, why not?

900vs 1200mins, 2500 vs 3200 mins is okay; not 900 vs 3000 or 1500 vs 3000 mins.

Isn’t your screen oozing offensive smells to your nostrils as you’re typing those words?

Pogba and Lukaku were the only midfielders/wingers/forwards who played up to 2000 units in 2018/2019. The previous season, Pogba, Matic and Lukaku. The rest who played 2000 minutes were defeenders. So why should we use 2000 units to compare? Last season only Pogba, Matic and Lukaku.


2017/2018 Mats was 1933 minutes and Pogba was 2151 . Any more excuse?

Stats can be revealing. Fred has the highest percentage of successful dribbles in the team by far. He is very likely to get past his marker when he attempts a dribble.

Our midfield stats this season

Fred 40......................successful 29
McTominay 37........successful 24
Pogba 15........successful 9


Shots
Fred 22
McTominay 27
Pogba 14

Goals
McTominay 3
Fred 0
Pogba 0

Pereira 28
Fred 24
Pogba 16
McTominay 15

Using Leyqute argument logic, Pogba is the worst player in Manchester United, and Fred is obviously the best midfielder. He has the highest in many of the criteria