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thorrvik55:
Not dat I give a fvck if u guys say even Drinkbleach is better than Pogba but e get some kind tins way person dey see way dey make eye scratch am.

All the players u listed up there wingers or players dat play the 10 role. A winger can put a random Valencia/Bissaka like crosss in the box because he plays closer to the opposition goal and it'll be termed chance created.



This ur post really cracked me upthough. He Should be ashamed dat attackers create more chances than him dats playing further away from goal.
I'm very sure if u check even Madrid u would see dat their attackers have more chances created than Modric (he too should be ashamed I guess). I'm very sure even Lucas Vazquez creates more chances than Modric when he is on the pitch

To make ur point, I was expecting u to bring Pogba's chances created stats vs other midfielders in Manure or other midfielders in the league not Pogba vs attackers...

I'm actually happy with Pogba's current situationthough. I hope he gets shipped off ASAP because Fred and Tominay are far far better than him

But they said Pogba is the most creative in the team.

Now you have supported my argument that the forward players should be the most creative.

At least I met someone who know ball

Pogba can use the ball and hold it turning anyhow. But his first isntict is to stop tje ball, guide it with his legs, prevents marker from reaching it using his ikebe and hands to shove his marker. Seconds are gone and opponents are already regrouping. Then he starts his moves.

Fred first instict is to push forward and make a quick pass using the next available option. McTominay is a hardworker who does the simple things.

Pogna has enoumous skills but for whatever reason, he has not proven to be the main man. Paul Scholes said anyone can come in and does what Pogba does.

Leyqute:
Sanchezzzzzz!!!? Are you freaking kidding me?!!!!

You no know ball.

CASE CLOSED.

Sanchez created more than Pogba. Pogna should be ashamed of that.

Leyqute:
Okay. You’ve corrected yourself. Pogba might not score 20 goals a season but he can get that number in goals+assists.

We now have Rashford and Martial hitting the target more often. Had Pogba been available all these time, he’ll be on 10+ goals and assists, without PK duties.

It’s like you guys don’t know what you’re saying. Remember that long range lob assist he gave Rashford against Chelsea? He’s the only one perfect at it.

Did the same against Watford for Rashford and Greenwood. They lost it.

I remember like 4 or 5 similar assists he gave Rashford last season too.

He might be lazy or you can be angry at him for his flirting with Madrid and unavailability this season but that doesn’t mean he isn’t the best quality midfielder at Manchester United.

Fred and McTom pale in comparison.

How did I correct myself? My argument has not changed.

James has given better long passes to the forwards than Pogba. All these you are counting long passes by Pogba, na today he join United? He was here with Ibrahimovic, with Lukaku and Rashford, and now Rashford and Martial.

We might even be worse off on the table with his ball dressing and lackadaisical attitude in midfield.

nitrogen:
So Pogba is now a striker, we should expect 29 goals from him, how many strikers score 29 goals in a season? Pogba is a deep lying midfielder for fuvk's sake.

Hope you are aware that it was not me who said he can score 20.

So Antonio Valencia beats Luke Shaw in creativity last season? Wonders shall never end.

If we were to argue with creativity stats, then I expect you guys to have kept Sanchez and Mkhitaryan, retain Mata and sell Pogba last summer



Why does it look like our lazy players create the highest? Possibly because they play close to the opposition box and don't help in deep roles were EPL physical battle is involved. This was why Herrera kept his place in the team.

2016/2017

Mata
Rooney
Pogba

2017/2018

Pogba was 6th

Mkhtaryan
Mata
Sanchez
Martial
Ibrahimovic
Pogba

codedguy1:


To elampiro the goals are actually the creativity a player should have and not actually creating enabling or assisting another player to score.

The argument remains if Pogba can add 20 goals and many Assits. Which is no.

codedguy1:
Even when a player creates and the chance is missed by the striker it cancels the creativity of the player because it wasn't converted

It means you are trying to blame the striker. Which means our strikers are poor.

ChristineC:
how is this logic if you are arguing a player's creativity? lmao

In creativity, Assists come before chances created. In productivity, Goals, Assist, CC in that order. However, our argument is that Pogba cannot add 20 goals.

[quote author=MRTA7 post=85733359][/quote]You changed the argument 100%. It is nor funny that you dont even realize it. The argument is weather Pogba can add 29 goals.

Expert17:
Busquet hv been in dat FIFA 11 more Dan 5 times........ UEFA 11 more Dan 5 times.......

Please don't ever compare dat Davies or Kante to Busquet agn.........

Once agn POGBA is the Number 1 in France Midfied

like being in FIFA XI team C you mean?

Edgar Davis is one of the best midfielders ever. Busquet is a ball boy when Davis is. Kante still greater than Busquet currently.

Expert17:
But in France team, sissoko and Matuidi bench Kante sometimes...... Euro 2016, he was always on the bench......
He shud try and bench POGBA in France team first......

D only thing Kante does better Dan POGBA is marking....... Nothing more on this Earth....... So DNT go dere

In the current Europe nations league, Kante has the highest appearance along side Varane and Pavert who are defenders. These are the only three players who have played all the minutes.

But these are chicken stats. The real deal is that Edgar Davis has featured as world cup best midfielder. Kante consistently beat Busquet in FIFApro XI placing.

MRTA7:
Ok. I never said anyone would score 20. .

This was the genesis of the current argument.

MRTA7:
First you said our midfielders were doing fine that the attackers were the ones who weren't good enough. You maintained this position for a few weeks that McT and Fred's passes would equal more goals for better strikers like those at Liverpool. But that argument doesn't sem to extend to when Pogba is in the team.

The arguement did not begin with 'Pogba will score 20 goals for Liverpool strikers'. The hypothesis submitted by two guys here was that Pogba will score 20 goals for United with the current striker. So I had to prove with his previous records that he doesn't have that ability. But you jumped in and changed the argument.

MRTA7:
Secondly you in talking about Pogba's contribution you omitted assists and when it was brought up you didn't compare it to Fred and McT who you said were doing better than Pogba but you compared to di Maria, Rooney etc. Just seems very convenient.

I added Pogba's assists to my comment. Go and check. Secondly, you still missed the genesis of the argument. The argument was not Pogba vs McTominay. It was an argument about Pogba's productivity in the current team. This is the problem, some people don't understand the basis of an argument before jumping in. The question is, with Pogba in the current team, will his contribution make us compete for the title? He has actually been here for about four years and he keeps getting worse from his first season.

MRTA7:
You definitely shift arguement and stats to suit your point of view.

No, you misunderstood the purpose of the stats

Expert17:
Haaaaaa

Haaaaaaaa

Another one agn ooooo

Edgar Davis and Kante are better Dan Busquet........ Haaaaaaaa

How do u watch football ......

Even Kante can't say he's better Dan Busquet,.... Not to talk of Edgar davies

U are very funny ooo

Let Busquet feature in FIFA world cup all star team, then we can begin to talk. Davis featured in 1998 world cup.

Kante keeps beating Busquet in FIFApro XI selections

footiemaniac:
With Paul Pogba in this team and with a better squad then we have finished 6th twice in space of 3 seasons.

Without him so far, we are sitting pretty nicely in 5th and we could still finish 4th. Pogba output to this team is grossly overrated.

Leave them. They will say I hate Pogba. But I know I have praised him in the past. In his first season I even argued he was the best midfielder in EPL until Kante use am rub ground.

nitrogen:
The hatred for Pogba in here is getting to another level. I am not happy that he has not been available this season, but I won't let that become a reason for me to say that McTom is better or Pep won't have Pogba in his first eleven.

When Pogba is fit, only De Bruyne can try to beat him in terms of performance in the league. Elampiro, can you include number of chances created in your analysis, check chances created by Pogba last season and two seasons ago. On the 4th of sept 2019, Pogba had created 11 chances in 2 epl games, only De Bruyne created more (at 13).

Find below an interesting picture that tells what Pogba can do. So y'all should stop saying Pogba is lazy, bla bla bla, Pogba bested all man Utd midfielders in everything despite playing in a deeper role. Don't forget that this guy played under Mou, a defensive fuvker, and is playing under OGS, a counter attacker motherfuvker.

How many assists and goals from open play?

Goals before Assists. Assists before chances created in the order of importance.

Those stats were also helped by the high number of games he played. If you reduce your stats to minutes played per stats, he would fall.

Expert17:
Busquet and Pirlo is better Dan all dose people u are mentioning,......

Wen u know ur work, u DNT HV to be running up n down the field.

Dats why Maguire has more tackles, Interception and recovery more Dan Van Dirk last season and also dis season........
But Van Dirk makes sure Liverpool defenders operate on keeping Off- side line, staying higher on the field,...thereby increasing dier efficiency and making dier defending more easy and smart......

So it's not by Hard work, it's by Smart work

Edgar Davis and Kante are better than Busquet. Davis especially. He is one of the greatest midfielders ever.

patrickmuf:
So, you don't see how ridiculous it sound when you want to minus penalties from Pogba's efforts?

Is this the first time you see penalties being deducted when professional analysts want to assess a player's productivity? You must be new to football.

Expert17:
Pep is smart..... So he won't bench POGBA..............

Do u see Michael Carrick, Busquet, Pirlo, Matic,, Fabinho running up and down in midfied like Mc tominay.......
because u wanna be using Stupid counter attack dat can't break down more Dan 12 teams in EPL.....

Pep dat plays Tiki taka will now bench POGBA, d best passer in Man Utd??..... Tink am well next time

Fernadinho is everywhere

Kante, Edgar Davis are midfilders you saw everywhere on the field. Michael Essien, Oliseh,

Players are different.

MRTA7:
Why are you comparing to di Maria and others not the Fred and mcT you said are better than he is?

Fred is a DM

McTominay started as a DM too. But he has 3 goals still this season. I said McTominay has been our best this season. I did not mention Fred.

MRTA7:
So its not the attackers fault when Pogba was there but it was their fault when Fred and McT where creating?

This doenst make sense to me. What do you mean?

Expert17:
Ur hatred for POGBA is historical,. So notin can change ur mindset abt him.......

For u to say Mc tominay is even better Dan POGBA shows how u watch football........

Only Mata can rival POGBA wen it comes to creating of chances.....

Dats d same way u guys Complained abt Di Maria, Lukaku, Evans, Smalling and so many others and went on signing worst replacement.

McTominay won the player of the month twice this season and got half of the votes in one of them. He has been our most consistent player. I dont look at names, but what they are currently doing

I don't see any difference whenever Pogba is out of the team from when he is in. In fact there have been times his absence immediately meant better results since his second season here.

Expert17:
Some people just like saying rubbish in public.............

Comparing POGBA to MC tominay, Fred etc........

Apart from Mata, who can open up Defensive line with a Pass Who can play a Cross-field pass Who can create chances, when team pack bus ..... U guys are just sentimental........

Pogba was there in August, the only match he shone was against Chelsea. When we played other teams who parked the bus, Pogba could not open then up. We drew those matches and even went further to draw a fourth match against Rochdale with Pogba unable to open them up.

Expert17:
Take it or leave it,...... POGBA is d biggest name in Man Utd Squad.....

Name does not translate into productivity, otherwise Fernado Torres was once the biggest name at Chelsea. Same with Schevchencko.

Expert17:
Put POGBA in a better team like Man city or Liverpool, and watch his Assists increase wonderfully........ POGBA dat Wil pass to martial, Rashford and dey will miss 8 clear chances out of 10.......

Is this a confirmation that our forwards are the problem?

Expert17:
POGBA is the First name in France Midfied ( world cup winners).....

Quote me anywhere- POGBA will start in any Team in this world.

James had a great world cup but became average on getting to Madrid.

patrickmuf:
It shows how ridiculous the argument is.

What you spoke about diesn't make sense. Rashford has 9 goals from open play and it is a fact that cannot be disputed. That is a a fact of its own which doesn't affect Pogba

Pogba has only been able to hit double digit in Assist just once with 10 Assists

Something Di Maria achieved in just 20 EPL starts.
Nani achieved twice
Rooney achieved about 5 consecutive seasons
Valencia achieved about two times.

Yet Pogba is creative.

patrickmuf:
Rashford minus penalties in the league is 9 goals.

This is not the focus .

patrickmuf:
Abeg stop this absolute rubbish [/b]about open play, haven't you seen players missing possible game deciding PKs? When Rashford and Martial took turns to miss PKs earlier in the season, didn't we all complain? Why didn't we say it's a Pk, let them miss it, it's better to score from open play?

Pogba will come back but the bad thing is that when he is fit and doing well, you'll never acknowledge him...

I wished you told the bolded to Coogar who introduced it here way back. Penalties taken by Rooney were successfully deducted in the course of our arguments. Anyway that is years past. However, goals from open play are the best to rate a player's goal scoring ability. Anyone taking penalties would always have stats in his favour.

For the records: Paul Pogba
131 matches for Manchester United
20 goals from open play
9 goals from penalty.
28 Assists