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I am a catholic, I believe a lot in quiet contemplative prayers. There are times when I go to church to pray that I feel like nothing else matters in life, only to think about the might of God. Imagining the power of the one who created the whole world, who gave us life, who balanced the air, breeze, sun heat all in harmony. Then I hear the cool hymn coming from the choir, it is like I should remain in this meditation for the whole day. That's how I know I am in the spirit. I don't use the word 'being in the spirit', I only know I feel differently. Like being ecstatic in the presence of God without any news coming that I have won a lottery or the priest giving me a false hope that I will miraculously buy a jeep tomorrow.

A lot of times I wish I was a catholic priest, just living to experiencing this quiet devotion everyday devoid of worldly distractions and material pursuits.

jagun007: But mind you, although I am a Christian and support the Christian beliefs, I am a very rational human being. I do not support Churches that are set up to subtly milk people of their monies and livelihoods. This type of Christianity will also be judged in time. As Christians, God has given us wisdom to be able to discern what is right and wrong, and to know that 'by their fruits, you shall know them'.

But all in all, over the years, I have come to the realisation that only a genuine and on-going encounter with Jesus Christ and the Gospel of Grace, is able to deliver a man from wickedness and all his evil tendencies. And only this encounter can truly satisfy. You will always keep searching and never feel complete or whole, until you have this encounter and experience. This in itself is another mystery.

Another like again.

The moderator Should refresh this topic at the top of front page so that people can be further enlightened.

jagun007: Logicboy,

I think you got a lot of things wrong; no offences meant.

Nigeria, in terms of government and constitution, is as secular as Britain. We also run the same democracy; which has you know its own challenges.

In terms of religion, both countries still have the freedom of worship and religion clause in their constitutions. SO you can choose to be Christian, Muslim, Atheist, etc, whatever is convenient for you. Nobody will throw you in jail for not being a follower of a particular religion.

And finally, I live in the UK, and attend RCCG partly and, due to location changes sometimes, I also attend a church with loads of Britons and headed by strong British believers as the Senior Ministers and so on. The Church still does regular Outreaches to Mali, Kenya, France, Brazil, Columbia, and Germany. And a lot of Outreaches to states within the UK regularly. You can visit http://www.kt.org

Yes many upcoming generation, Youths and children, detest Christianity and Jesus. Many don't even know who Jesus is, they think he is Santa Claus who comes around at Christmas. This is because many Atheists and Boogieman believers have infiltrated the system and put some 'subtle' restrictions on true religious teachings of Christianity.

What is the result? At the moment the British society is in a complete mess. The citizens and youths are messed up morally and socially. The Government is crying out for help as they can not cope and not sure of the solution. Some months ago the Prime Minister David Cameron has to remind everyone on national media that Britain is a Christian State. Lots of Charities and Christian organisations are being encouraged to help with solving the societal and moral problems that are plaguing the populace. Do you know that statistics of regular Murders, Violence, and not to talk of people jumping in front of moving Trains daily? It is Scary. It is a normal thing now for my journey to work to be delayed due to 'Person Under a Train'. The sane people here knows that the Country needs to go back to 'basics'.

And these same British generation are willing to try out any other religion: Hindu, Voodoo, Witchcraft, Satanism, Budha, Snake Worship, Haloween, 'Harry Porter Religions' and so on in their bid to seek something higher that themselves. Anything but 'Christianity'. Or should I say 'anything but salvation thru JESUS Christ'. And why Because they do not want a 'Religion' that points out the 'Wickedness' in their Heart and constantly urging them to change and be righteous. Nooo, they don't want that Corrective religion. People want to be 'free'; free to do whatever they like. That is why Christianity is hated; probably by you too.

Logicboy, this topic is complex. So please leave it there. People freely want to believe in the existence, and they seek, higher spiritual powers. Many do Palm reading, Fortune telling, Ouija Boards, etc, etc, many others take refuge in Ecstasy and Hard Drugs to feel high. But they refuse to accommodate the 'logic' that 'what if' there is also the existence of a Master Spiritual Being who is the Source of all things Physical and Spiritual, and who Governs and will eventually Judge all things.

Until we all get back to right standing with God, we will never stop searching. Britain today is enjoying and leaving off the rich inheritance and Foundation left for them by their Believing Christian Fore-fathers. And as it happens a lot of times when way-ward upcoming generations take possession of such inheritance and squander everything in riotous living; so we see the British and indeed many other European Societies and Economies getting damaged, going downwards and downhill as they refuse The Truth. Many people are now leaving the UK and going back to their Countries. Why? people now see more prospects and security in their countries than in the UK system. And their Countries have more 'Religion'.

Whatever you think is working, outside the so called Christianity, is but shadows bro.

I am further enlightened. Well done man.

ifebosco: how my eyes opened about religion,,,i was raced up in a very strong christian home, 10years ago i brought my parents to spain,(madrid)to live withme for some time and my mother usually goes to church every day for her morning prayers.so while going to church she made her own friends who speaks english.after about two years of attending church everyday she discovered that the church is always full up with people of her age.mostly retired and old people,so my mother one day walked up to the father and ask him this question.father please, why since over two years i have been coming to church and i don´t see many youths on weekly days for church activities??The father told my mother that, the youths are working building the their nation and the old ones are in churchs to beg GOD for forgiveness to their sins,my mother was confused with the answer. two months later i took my parents to visite vatican city,my mother saw with her two eyes how pope and his cardinals enjoylife.my mother cameback from rome more confused and filed betrayed by the so called catholic hierarchy.


my take on this mater is that, please fellow nigerians the opium that the whiteman and arabs brought to us to distract us from the real problem THAT WE HAVE is call ((RELIGION)))Until we free ourselfs from this madness call religion,we are going to remain under developED country for live.now is the time to ask our government to provide us social amenities.open your eyes brothers.GOD BLESS AFRICA

One thing you did not reason, Europe did not get to where they are without religion. If your mother should ask questions from the elderly people of Europe, she will observed that youth used to attend church some decades ago. What you have now is loss of faith in the western world.

God will get the peoples' attention again, including the youth. It might be immediate, it might take a while. In the bible, God allowed the Isrealites to suffer each time they abandoned Him. When they came to their senses, He restored their blessings.

The old men you see today and their great grandparents built Europe, they attended church in their youth days and even produced a lot of priest such that some were sent to third world. Now, the current youth of Europe are blinded and distracted by circularism, por.nography, etc, such that they have lost faith. Churches have since been closing, priests are short. On the other hand, the European youth of today is facing hardship and unemployment their parents didn't have in their time. Where jobs are available, they are mostly low paying jobs and part time which are heavily taxed. Austerity measures are the order of the day. You have to let your mum see this other aspect too. The western world is gradually being punished by God for their abandonment of Him.

Finally, tell your mum to read Mathew 24, and she will understand the current world situation better.

Logicboy03: I was talking about human advancement and you mentioned that the west's economies are in decline. Does recession depend on faith?



You amaze me, anigerian claiming that Westerners are suffering. Have you looked at your religious country?

There is a connection between faith and welbeing. It might sound illogical to you because I have to make reference to the bible again. Every time Isrealites worhsipped false gods, they lost battles and fell into starvation or even diseases. Same when Adam and Eve fell. It is hard to explain, but I can tell categorically that that is what is affecting the economy of the west.

They have chosen false gods in sexual immoralities, abortion, homosexuality, fame, lust of money, power over love and worship of God. Now God wants to get their attention.

You might not understand because it is spiritual. As for me, I believe in hard work and prayer.

I want to sleep now.

Wait, can you define human advancement?

Logicboy03: What does faith have to do with economics?


You want to model your economy on Jesus's Isreal that was run on slave labour?


You live in fantasy land. Even in Lekki where the rich live in lagos, try to go clubbing and you will se hungry area boys that will fight to park your car.

People are eating from dustbin on a daily basis. Poverty is extreme in Nigeria and you have the nerve to point at another economy?

Now you ask the question about faith and economy. Lol. Where did this topic start from? You people wanted us to become circular like the british. You said the British who are more advanced have dropped christianity. Now, I am pointing to you that they are sinking economically. As a result they cannot be our model. We don't want to be like them. I am trying use same logic you introduced, otherwise I could have argued this from another angle.

To cut a long story short, it is lack of faith the west are suffering, we cannot follow them. It is in the bible that before Armageddon, many will grow cold in faith and there will be many false prophets and false miracle workers. We cannot discourage the people from believing in God just because people who first preach it have become so weak in faith.

Logicboy03: /basic understanding of economics is lacking. Not all European countries were devastated by the financial crisis.

The economic situation of some of these countries you are talking about are in resurgence!


What you dont understand is that these Western countries have had their economy grown to monumental size. Sometimes too much growth will lead to a crash and then stagnmation and then growth. An economic cycle of boom and bust.

Even at the stages of bust and gloom your African economy is no where near theirs

How dso you mean that basic understanding of economics is lacking? Do you know what grade I obtained in school and in what discipline?

Most countries of Europe are experiencing the worst economic and financial woes since the great depression, the leaders aren't sleeping and this has been a subject of debates in summits all the time, yet you are here trivializing it. If not for bailout, how many countries would have by now be bankrupt and cash trapped? In Spain, report has it that some senior citizens search dustbin for disposed food items. Italy has a record of several suicides. Nigeria may be poor, but people without jobs still survive by leaning on family members.

As I said, we cannot model our belief after some sinking economies. They are suffering lack of faith and it is reflecting in their lives. It is same lack of faith prophesied by the gospel.

As fo Nigeria not been able to measure up to western economies, you should ask yourself how old is Nigeria economy compared to the west?

Logicboy03: China has never been christian and has a history of being tolerant to gays


Furthermore, your countries that dont support gay marriage are quite behind those western countries that do, despite the recession.

Where are Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Ghana, oman etc on the map of human advancement?

Have you checked economy index of China recently? China is a large economy because of America and Europe. All of them are falling in trade and finance.

Nigeria and Ghana are some of the world fastest growing economies. We might not be where western countries are, but they didn't get there in a few centuries.

I am only using you guys logic here. We cannot copy the ways and beliefs of countries (Britain and co) which economies are on the decline. They have lost focus, that is why their economies are failing.

The last time I checked, all the countries dropping in their christian belief, which also have been embracing circularism have all been falling financially and struggling economically. Look at Europe and America. If they don't repent and drop such practices as in homosexualism, abortions, etc, it will only get worse.

Man wants to build a civilization without God, it will come with its consequence as is already being felt in Spain, Greece, Italy and many other European countries and America. Consider this, all the best economists put together plus the world leaders cannot find a solution to the current finacial woes and debt crisis. If a war was to start in the Middle East today, many suppose advanced economy will sink.

What we are witnessing in Britain and western world is fulfillment of bible prophecies. Read Mathew 24. 'The faith of the people shall wax cold'. Jesus said 'when the Son of Man returns, will he find faith on earth?''

This is my humble contribution. A word is enough for the wise.

The last time I checked, all the countries dropping in their christian belief, which also have been embracing circularism have all been falling financially and struggling economically. Look at Europe and America. If they don't repent and drop such practices as in homosexualism, abortions, etc, it will only get worse.

Man wants to build a civilization without God, it will come with its consequence as is already being felt in Spain, Greece, Italy and many other European countries and America. Consider this, all the best economists put together plus the world leaders cannot find a solution to the current finacial woes and debt crisis. If a war was to start in the Middle East today, many suppose advanced economy will sink.

What we are witnessing in Britain and western world is fulfillment of bible prophecies. Read Mathew 24. 'The faith of the people shall wax cold'. Jesus said 'when the Son of Man returns, will he find faith on earth?''

This is my humble contribution. A word is enough for the wise.

May God help our country. Amen.

I like the word 'adventure'. I can't ever laugh at anyone who ventures. She may have failed, but is is a step, that similar first step she took when she entered the movie industry.

If singing is not for her, then she will eventually quit. But it's too early to get discouraged.

Are they saying all 13 were involved in the killing? What if some of them are innocent? They will now have to be in prison till December 20 or till the determination of the case. Is the plank man and the false alarm man arraigned yet?

KDULAR: Good job by the police , the faces of the remaining suspects should be splashed on Network News and on primetime on all Tv stations daily until they were caught. I want to ask, what happened to the attackers of the girl that was caught stealing in shoprit ? I think the issue here is not only the killing of innocent people but " Jungle justice and respect to human dignity

What happened to the girl? The one caught stealing in Shoprite.

Suspect Accuses Policeman of Joining in the Lynch of Aluu Four.
Ernest Chinwo 
More revelations are emerging on how four University of Port Harcourt undergraduates were killed as a suspect in custody, David Ugbaje, Tuesday accused a policeman of participating in the lynching of the deceased.

He said the policeman joined the mob in the killing of the four students at Omuokiri, Aluu, in Rivers State on October 5.


Also yesterday, the police announced that they had arrested the fleeing principal suspect in the murder, Lucky, alias Bright, who raised the false alarm that labelled the students as armed robbers, which prompted the rage of the mob.

Lucky was said to owe one of the victims some money and they had gone on a debt-recovery mission, when he accused the deceased of trying to rob him.
Ugbaje told journalists Tuesday in Port Harcourt, when the police paraded him and 12 other suspects for their alleged involvement in the crime, that one of the policemen who met them when the mob was beating the students joined them in beating the victims.


He explained that it was after the policeman had partaken in the beating that he requested that the students be handed over to them, a request which the mob refused.

As Ugbaje narrated, “along the line, two policemen came around. One of the policemen was pleading that the boys be left alone, but the other one even joined us in beating the boys. After beating the boys, the policemen now said let the boys be handed over to them. The crowd said no: We no go gree. The policemen now told us that whatever this will result to, they (the crowd) should be ready for the consequence. http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/suspect-accuses-policeman-of-joining-in-the-lynch-of-aluu-four/127918/

A false accusation raised by an individual was endorsed by the entire mob.

emmykk: those guys were theives or culties. one shot a gun and ran leaving the others to stew.mob could not be wrong.but the killing is too bad.they would have just beat them and handover them to the police.who don die don die

What is this?

What do you mean the mob cannot be wrong? Is that your level of life experience?

Horus: Here is the Facebook page of the man on the run from the Police https://www.facebook.com/coxson.luckyii

Are you sure he is the one or an identical name?

Can we now see the faces of the heartless murderers?

Now police has given the final vindication. May their souls rest in peace.

Is food expensive that the government cannot provide three square meal to the victims? Is it not bad already they are displaced!

Tired legs.

Josh090: I don't know if he's Yoruba but he's from irra in kwara state, not Edo.

Yakubu is from Jattu, a neighboring village of Auchi, Edo State. Yakubu Aiyegbeni. Aiyegbeni is an Etsako name.

elampiro: Why Keshi should stay.
Nigeria should be patient. When Sasia was sacked, I told a lot of people that Nigeria repeated thge kind of mistakes they had always made with coaches; hire a coach, put him under pressure and he works under panic, then any little slip results to a sack. Then another comes and the circle continues. Amodu was always getting result for us, qualified us for two world cups and yet said he knew nothing about the job. He qualified us for two world cups yet he wasn't allowed to attend any.

Keshi is doing the right thing. He needs to experiment with lots of players over a period of time, like two years. With that he will be able to raise a good team for us as some will fit in while others fit out. That was how Westerhof raised the USA '94 team over a period of 5 years. Westerhof failed in his first assignment where he failed to get a draw in Younde against Cameroun in 1989 and Nigeria went out of Italia '90 race.

But, he return home and played a lot of games, WAFU/ECOWAS cup, Algers '90 etc. Old player like Yisa Sofoluwe, Andrew Uwe, Osaro Obobaifo, Henry Nwosu, etc gave way for the young players which were discovered over a period of 5 years enroute USA '94. Rasheed Yekini proved over time to be the better striker than Richard Owunbokiri. Uche Okechukwu and Samson Sisia came in, Finidi George, Thompson Oliha, Uche Okafor, Benedict Iroha, Alloy Agu, etc. As time went on, Ben Iroha, Emmanuel Amunike, Austine Okocha. Sunday Oliseh was discovered after Nigeria had already secured the world cup ticket to USA '94. Peter Rufai had to return and Chidi Nwanu was drafted in for the world cup proper.

A lot of players were used, a lot were dropped on the journey and only the best 22 man squad survived and became the most feared team in Africa, and Nigeria was 5th in FIFA ranking after Tunisia '94. Players like Rubeun Agboola, Edema Fulundu, Nduka Ugbade, Moses Kpakpor played their part but had to give way along the line. That was how Westerhof built one of the most feared teams in the world at the time. The team was so good that players like Victor Ikpeba could hardly get games despite being so good for their clubs banging in goals.

The truth is that majority of the players were discovered from our local clubs. Finidi, Amokachi, Iroha, Oliha, etc. They were so rugged that they could withstand any weather, heat or pitch in other African countries. They beat Burkinafaso 7-1, Ethiopia 6-0, Algeria and Ivory coast 4-1.

One can therefore draw a conclusion that Keshi is doing the right thing. First, the eagles he inherited cannot withstand the big teams in Africa talking more of playing Spain or Germany. Secondly, they could hardly get good result against physical playing African teams. Third, most of them are not so committed. I am yet to notice what contribution Mikel has made so far that warrants anyone building the future team around him. Uche is the only one who is committed. Osazee too is good. Hence, Keshi is doing the right thing. We should not just think of now, we should think of having a solid Super Eagles that can stand against the likes of Spain, Italy, Brazil and Germany in the next world cup. It can only be achieved by giving every good young player a chance, whether local or abroad. Attention should be given to building a team of tall, physical and skillful players. These are the characteristics of the Super Eagles of '94, also the Senegal team of '92 and the current Ivory coast team.

Keshi has a good programme, it requires some risk taking. He is not scared of taking it to get the best. That's how you know a man with a target and goal.

Second leg, Nig (6) Lib (1). Physically strong skillful players is what we need. Kudos!

I am happy. It looks like a new beginning. The score line could have easily been higher.

One thing that is helping us, we are back to getting physically strong, energetic, well built and speeding players. That's what helped us in the past during our peak years. That was same kind of strong players Senegal had in their world cup squad of 2002, Diouf and co. Look at the Ivory coast team.

Keshi should keep and scout for more such physically strong skillful players. We can only get better.

mavtrevor: One was almost burnt in my street yesterday for stealing a bike but then i guess ppl may have learnt a little from the ALUU incident, the guy that brought the tyre was even slapped and the tire thrown away, the police was called and the idiot was wisked away to the cell.

The guy that brought tyre should have been arrested for attempted murder.

I don't know about this one, but Sahara reporters deserve commendation for thousands of breaking news they report first before any media and they often end up being true. Even when Patience was admitted in Germany, Sahara reporters were the first to report it. Also the countless bomb blast, etc.


On the other hand, why is the presidency in a hurry to bring her home? She should be strong first.

Too much criticism.

Before Hurricane Isaac landed in US, all the governors of the states on its path gave speeches ahead. Obama also gave his speech and approved the declaration of state of emergency.

playmode: Here is what one journalist said on another blog:


As a journalist I went on an investigative journalism and my findings was that d guys are not thieves but cultist on a mission to kill the leader of their cult group. These guys are from rich homes, two of them move on jeeps. They were incensed by the overbearing attitude of their cult leader and decided to topple him. Not knowing that the place was in the radar by some resolute vigilante boys following persistent handset theft and rape, five of them embarked on a journey around 3am with their axe and knife on hand trying to gain entry into their targets abode. The target who is their cult leader was however sensitive enough to notice their presence and started screaming - 'thief, thief' which attracted the attention of the vigilante who rounded them off. One out of the five cult guys escaped albeit with a gunshot wound he sustained from the vigilante while trying to escape. It was this 5th cult guy that escaped but later died in Agip that narrated the ordeal before he died that gave us the tip that they were set up as thieves instead of an equally bad CULTIST. The things they claim was stolen was never found on them and perhaps some persons wanted them dead all their confessions were waved. I agree Cultism itself is a social problem, but to take a life on the guise of what he did not do is injustice. Perhaps it's God's way of giving the cult leader another chance to renounce an embrace God, who knows he would have been the one dead had he not employed the false accusation alarm. I think all relevant investigative agencies shld come into this matter especially why some group of persons should defy police order to hand over a criminal. Don't get me wrong, for attempting to take a soul they deserve to be paid in their coin but this should be done within the ambit of the law not unsubstantiated accusations and taken laws into our hand in the name of vigilante. One of d major militia groups in Rivers state started with a vigilante and we will not want a repetition of that. THANKS

So, why didn't we see any exhibit in the videos and pictures. The story that they carried axes is suspicious. If they had axes, I am sure same would have been used on them by the mob and not a plank.

The Antichrist has to come first.

This is pure evil.

Jungle justice is bad, innocent people can be trapped or set up. Even if they were caught stealing, did they kill anyone?

There is more to this jungle justice, and the police should investigate it. Even in Nigeria law, cultism or possession of fire arm do not carry death sentence. The killers of these boys should be arrested, and they should tell Nigeria what offense these boys were guilty of.

So people can just gang kill or mob a fellow human being to death out of envy and term it jungle justice. People reason well, this is bad.

Just taking a peep.