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confusedlady:
Thanks for the Ad hominem. I did not say this. Ikwerre historians said it. I posted a video for you to watch but apparently you did not watch it. You did not watch it,not because you don't have data but because you are stuck on your agenda and what you have been fed for ages.
If you watch the video,you will see a different Ikwerre point of view that Ibos are actually vassals of the Ikwerre. Ikwerre migrated from Benin to their present locations while the Ibos who were vassals to the Ikwerre migrated from under Ikwerre to their present locations and towns. This is the reason for the similarity of language and lexicon.
You need to imbibe a flexible nature and try to read widely. Never maintain a rigid and inflexible idea of African history because much of the history pre writing was passed on by oral traditions.

Please watch.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sHyklv_39s?si=KTMrWeQUaP_TZZzf

So you are simply copying and pasting? I am reading and thinking. But you have become an Ikwerre historian too with the picture that you paint.

When you say someone is your vassal, you infer that you are feudal and the person owes allegiance to you. Is that correct? Assuming but not conceding that Igbos owe allegiance to Ikwerres, how is it that the Igbo nation and boundaries are far bigger and completely able to become a country of their own?

The truth remains that there are various versions of the theory of evolution of Ikwerre people. In all, it is impossible to eliminate the Igboness in the Ikwerre people, no matter how you try hard to wish it away.

Sadly one does not understand the reason for the disagreement. One hopes that someday we can get the exact historical information and rest the case.

For now, while the agitation for more SE states take the center, Ikwerre is projected to be one of those areas to be included.

confusedlady:
The Ikwerre are saying you are their vassals. That means the Ibo migrated to their present locations from under the Ikwerre,hence the similarity of language and lexicon.....

The Ibo need to give this argument a rest. If they say they are Ikwerre and not Ibo,then the Ibo should leave them alone except the Ibo interests lie in something else which I personally believe they do.

“Vassals”? And yet Ikwerre cannot show proof of distinct identity from the Igbos?

How can you have similarity of language, yet not the same people? Oh, so you are saying that Ikwerre people speak Igbo as their language, as they cannot find their own distinct language in history? Or they are not longer able to differentiate between themselves and Igbo people? Can I then put it to you that there is no distinct Ikwerre language, as you cannot give us the Ikwerre versions of those words and names?

“Migrated to the present location”? And yet Ikwerres say they are not Igbos?

Confused lady wetin na? You don confuse be that o.

confusedlady:
I need you to understand that I am pointing out the various postulations among Ikwerre historians. The Ikwerre refuse to be yoked with the Ibo,but the Ibo keep on trying to attach themselves to the Ikwerre. Professor Eric in the original post argued that the Ikwerre migrated from Benin but the Ibo keep on arguing that this is not true because of similarity of language,because of this I provided you with another Ikwerre historian who as argued that the Ibo were actually vassals of the Ikwerre and Ibos actually migrated from Ikwerre to their present locations. Moving from the sea to the hinterland to form new towns.

My personal opinion on this issue is that if a people refuse to be associated with you. Accept it as your fate and let them be. It is obvious the Ikwerre refuse to be associated with the Ibo. The Ibo need to accept this and let the Ikwerre people be.

How can you have similarity of language and yet not the same people? It’s like the Ondo man saying that because he is not from Ekiti, they are not Yorubas.

If you cannot find any definite Ikwerre version of those words, then you admit that they are Igbos. Can we not safely say that Ikwerre land is Igbo land, irrespective of the disagreements of the Ikwerres?

You cannot have my children and yet turn around to say you are not connected to me. How e go take work?

Don’t mind that yeye Reno Omokri.

Much as Lagos is the center piece of Nigeria’s development, the truth about the wickedness of our leaders must be told.

With so much resources wasted and looted into private pockets, Lagos should be much more developed than it presently is. Where else in the world do you find molues plying roads, with such recklessness or danfos exhibiting such high level of madness? Ambode tried to put an end to the danfo madness, he was removed.

Lagos is a signpost to to how poorly developed other cities in Nigeria are. With faeces everywhere, horrible roads and very poor (but highly unaffordable electricity), poor water, poor hygiene, insecurity, etc, when will the Nigerian leaders allow Nigerians live good lives. It is the same story from South to north of the country. All madness.

I visited a friend at Okokomaiko some years ago. As we were going to my car, we saw one mama put and decided to eat hot fufu and egusi soup. As soon as we settled down to our food, I looked to the right side beside one open mosque and saw one man openly shitting and the said shit commoting from the yansh. I nearly vomit the food. Okokomaiko people, which kind life una dey live sef?

confusedlady:
I hope you know there are other Ikwerre historians that even claim that Ibos migrated out from under the Ikwerre and spread out to their present locations of Owerri,Aba,Onitsha and Enugu.
If you are arguing for the similarity in language and lexicon of Ikwerre and Ibo,the postulation can equally be made that Ibo people migrated from Ikwerre land to their present location.
You may like to watch the video below carefully......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sHyklv_39s?si=ry_FuWPl9iC-NA4b

Ah ha!

So if that is your new position, are you conceding that Ikwerres are Igbo people, whether Ikwerre arose from the Igbo nation or the other way round?

By the way the present deputy President of Ohanaeze Ndigbo is Mr Ihunwo Obi Wali, an Ikwerre man. Without his personal conviction, what’s he doing there?

Thank you for the peaceful discussion and decorum anyway.

confusedlady:
Apparently you do not understand what an ASSIMILATION POLICY means. I suggest you read up on this topic. The Ibo policy in the old Eastern region was to continue the British colonialists erroneous policy of thinking Ikwerre were Ibo and as such seeking to assimilate them into Ibo people. Thus Ibo language was introduced as a compulsory lingua franca at the expense of the indigenous Ikwerre language and culture.
The assimilation policy was equally employed by the French colonialists throughout French West Africa to eradicate native culture and languages and produce pseudo black French men. This was the same policy employed by the British colonialists and later by the Ibo Eastern region administration to brain wash and turn Ikwerre people into pseudo Ibo people.

My dear, you still beat about the question.

We all know that assimilation was a method used to bypass native culture, traditions and languages. As much as they tried, assimilation was not as successful as intended. The same holds with other groups seen and accused as colonialists.

In all the cities and states colonized by the French, which of them completely lost their native culture, tradition and language?
Have you been around West Africa or North Africa, to former French colonies? I have been to several and they speak their native languages, with largely corrupted French as their central language. Your language is part of the identity. That the French tried to make French black men, still did not erode the fact of who they were/are and certainly not made them French people. We are Nigerians and not British. If you speak Ikwerre, for example, and you only permit English language in your home for your family, who is to blame?

You are substantiating the claim of Mr. Eric. We know that English has not swallowed up any known Nigerian language, neither has Igbo as a language wiped out Ikwerre as a language, if there was any such language.

Again, how many years did we have an Eastern region administration? Certainly it was not for eternity or long enough to wipe out Ikwerre language. If you cannot find the Ikwerre equivalent of those Igbo names and words, and there is no man old enough to give us the Ikwerre interpretation of those words, then I am sorry, we may not be far from the reasoning that Ikwerre cannot claim to have its roots in Benin, in its theory of evolution.

What do you think?

confusedlady:
Did you read the original post at all?
Professor Eric Amadi wrote it in quite simple English that anyone without a hidden agenda should be able to comprehend.
He stated that the Ibo used their numerical superiority and the fact that they controlled the Old Eastern region to dominate and eradicate Ikwerre language and culture. The forced the learning of Ibo as a lingua franca at the expense of the Ikwerre language. In fact they were so good at his ethnicity assimilation that they were able to produce the MAYOR of Port Harcourt. They were also able to use their influence in Enugu to buy up all Ikwerre lands and properties.
Please read below quote if you missed it.

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"Ikwerre ethnic nationality is not and has never been a sub-group of any other tribe in Nigeria including Ndi-Igbo. There is no doubt that the advent of the British and later regionalization put Ndi-Igbo at the helm of affairs in Eastern Nigeria. This brought Ndi-Igbo into Ikwerre land. In course of time, the Igbo took advantage of their position in the then Eastern Regional Government to grab land in Ikwerre and occupy political positions such as the mayor of Port Harcourt. In the process, Ikwerre along with other minority groups were marginalized and driven to the
background."

That still does not answer the question. Mr. Eric failed to state it, as I carefully read through his historical claim.

We all are Nigerians, colonized by the British and left with English as our common language. We have our respective languages, which were not wiped out by the British. The Igbos, Yorubas, Hausas, Tivs, Efiks, etc retained and still maintain their indigenous languages.

Certainly you cannot say that Igbo language completely wiped off the indigenous Ikwerre language, otherwise you would be agreeing that Ikwerre belongs to the Igbos. If that dispute must be retained, then the question remains why such Igbo words and names were not translated into Ikwerre language, as a way to show that Ikwerre has no ethnic affiliation with the Igbos? Can you please prove that? Or better still, tell us the Ikwerre version of those names.


Thank you very much, as I look forward to your response to this historical/linguistic request.

See his head like cricket head.
Just imagine the olodo, stabbing his brother in-law to be over a mobile phone. Definitely no shishi. No job, just touting.

flokii:
Who told you Reno needs appointment?.. why do you people from that part of the country always feel threatened by the truth?
Someone is dishing out facts to you, you're busy derailing the topic.

Going by logic sef.. the worst performing States and their Governors should be the ones to face protest not Lagos State that is performing very well.

Make shame catch you small. Where is the logic? Where is the common sense? Where is the deep thinking?

Truly some of you who support APC are heavily hoodwinked or completely bewitched. It appears that your capacity for hardship, hard life and hard kan our is immeasurable. Where is the truth in Reno Omokri’s claim? By the way did Tinubu not say “na statistics we go chop?” How have you all turned out to look at statistical records?

Have you ever been out of Nigeria? Ask those who have travelled if Lagos falls within the first 20 such cities mentioned in Africa. We are not talking about fact checking now, but physical experiences in all the countries visited within Africa, not to talk of the world. How the world revolves around Nigeria for you APC supporters is unbelievable.

So to you, having the train running from Orile to CMS should make Lagos among the 20 best in the world? What has happened to environments, security, electricity, health care, etc? Factoring those, can you compare with major cities in the UK alone, not yo talk of USA, Canada, Russia, China, Japan, Rabat (Morocco), Algiers, Madagascar, etc? You should compare yourselves with dirty cities in India, Philippines, etc.

Stop raising your heads like the proud agama lizard, as the leadership of the country, irrespective of political affiliation is horrible.

Fantastic.

Three important things in life:

1. Peace
2. Happiness
3. Freedom

Pursue them and enjoy your life.
Congratulations once again to the great looking Kate Henshaw.

Amotolongbo:
Do you want to know the custom and tradition more than the people who practise it?

Do you know the difference between literacy and illiteracy? Do you know the difference education and lack of education? If you know, then you should understand that the history of people, nations and societies is not only for the benefit of the said people and societies

confusedlady:
Good day. I have been reading a few books on the fraudulent business relationship between Sir Loius Ojukwu and Nnamdi Azikiwe and how they used the Africa continental bank to rip off the old Eastern region. I have also been reading up on the Ibo supremacist agenda of trying to assimilate Ikwerre culture,land and language by the Ibo.
Over the next few days we should have a couple of threads put up.

“ For instance, there was the change from Umuola to Rumuola, Umuoro to Rumuoro , Umukrushi to Rumuokwurusi…”

May I ask if Umuoro and Umukrushi, which are Igbo names, do not have their own direct interpretation in Ikwerre language? What do you call such names in Ikwerre language? Turning Umuoro to Rumuoro, etc gives an appearance playing the ostrich. It appears like an effort at bastardizing the Igbo words in an attempt to erase the relationship.

Can you offer an explanation please?

Amotolongbo:
If you read the article, you would se where it was stated that regent will be appointed to hold the mantle for him till he retires from the military

Does that invalidate the crown on his head? The question is if it is proper, based on customs and traditions, for a King, irrespective of his tribe, to bow down to “mere mortals”. It is right for him to carry the files and arrange the seats of the man he follows?

Set Nnamdi Kanu free and let’s have peace in the SE. I think government should explore that option, as it looks like the only way forward for peace.

Fineman2:
Congratulations to the incoming president Kamala Harris

Very sorry, that should be great, but she may not.
The democrats have great candidates, but I think that a certain Mrs. Hilary Clinton will knock Trump off completely this time.

Buhari said the same. Tinubu promised to continue. He introduced his own policies in his Inauguration Day. Thereafter he asked citizens to be patient. Prices of goods and services skyrocketed under his policies. Food almost vanished from the tables of citizens. That was one year and two months ago. Now Oshiomole says another year or more.

What have they done about food and security? Those are the basics. What’s the sense building roads when all the existing ones are traps for evil men to prey on decent people in the country? Why build roads when it is very visible that the immediate challenge is food on the table? Why not deal with the most pressing issues first?

While the people are asked to wait, the citizens are made to watch them enjoy their lives, with one purchasing a vehicle with 64 m for his secondary school leaving daughter?

When will these horrible leaders let the citizens have some respite?

When we all know that Aguata as a whole belongs to Soludo?

See how the mumu man eulogized Ubah for donating a transformer to his own village and he labeled it Ekwulobia and Aguata in general.

Ekwulobia people, with the recent massive construction in their town by Soludo, will no vote for APC. They never did and will not do it.

Now can we have Mrs. Hilary Clinton again please. Without doubt, she will floor Donald Trump.

Promise47:
Like I said my people aren't cultist and they will never be all my life has been in agbor and I have never for once seen cultist anyway Good luck peace ✌️ out

So you expect cultists to show you their faces and tell you who they are? Ask people who know about Agbor and revert.

TUTU147:
The state government are culprit to the crisis going on in ogwashi uku today, the issue of kingship and chiefs became more tens because of the involvement of the state government.The state government took side with okonjo family without considering the community at large.Obi okonjo supposed use his office as a king to bring peace,but he started dethroning some of the chiefs he met on ground.The major problem today in ogwashi uku is the failure of obi okonjo recognizing chief Mike nwaukoni as the issue of ogwashi uku even when all the courts starting from high court to supreme Court declared him as the iyase of ogwashi uku.Until the king starts working with all the chiefs peacefully, crisis will continue to show it ugly head.

The Obiship has been an age long battle, initially with the Okonjos and Izediunors. The throne appeared to lose some of its attraction with the late Prof and now the sitting Obi.

Is Chief Michael Nwaukoni overbearing, especially considering that he is a man of immense wealth? What about other Chiefs who are battling with the Obi? The Obi too has his internal battle with his Uncle who has refused to recognize him.

Let’s hope that the state government can do something. Okowa had mechanisms to settle such matters while he was the governor. I hope Sheriff can bring peace to reign in the land.

All the people of Ogwashi want is peace, happiness and opportunity to enjoy themselves and their town.

Promise47:
I'm too sure agbor are into cultist but you see ogushi Uku it's the HQ of Cultist in Delta state I know my people dy can't do such Ika south for Life Agbor

Certainly you do not know much about Agbor.
Go and ask before you continue.

ekanx27:
An average Agbor, Ogwashi ukwu man/guy normal hussling is sales of land. They are so cunning and crafty probably because they are close to the East. Always want favour by slandering someone's else. Tufiakwa

Can you in all honesty mention the name of your town?

Promise47:
Very sorry my brother through I'm not an ogwashi Uku born I'm Ika south Born Agbor Delta state through you are correct ogwashi is cultist area very dangerous thank God for your Life

If you call Ogwashi “cultist area”, what then should we call Agbor? Maybe we should call Agbor the “chief cultist area”. Or are you new to Agbor?

Graficient:
P WAÑ is one of the problems in Delta State. They are buying all the lands cheaply and selling at exorbitant prices. Everywhere around the capital territory is now real estate, farmlands gone, no provisions for markets and social and government infrastructures

Infact this PWAN is one issue, just like other companies. Their own too much!

They appear on all sides with different names on the lands. Ogwashi uku lands up till they arrived were far less than one million. Now lands between Ogwashi, Edo Ogwashi, Igbuzor, etc have gone beyond reach of many. Worse is that they are undeveloped largely.

I hope they do not practice the same on the Ogwashi uku // Warri road.

Fantastic.

Now no one knows the differences in the towns and communities, especially with the proliferation of companies who purchase lands at cheap costs and sell at very exhorbitant prices. Imagine lands right inside the bush between Igbuzor and Ogwashi uku selling for 5 million in some areas, whereas right inside town you can get land for the same 5 million.

None can tell you the boundary between Igbuzor and Ogwashi uku, between Azagba and Ogwashi, between Asaba and Ogwashi uku, between Ubulu uno/Ubulu uku and Ogwashi uku.

Government intervention came at the right time, especially with the destructions faced by citizens of those areas.

Delta government must tackle herdsmen and get citizens to get into their farms for the greater development of Delta state.

blogbuilder:
They have the best choir in the world..
They won such in India sometimes ago

You got it bro!

greggng:
So many of my friends thst disliked my idea of obaseki going for second term have now agreed with me . For your Information ...they are all in agreement that obaseki didn't perform well at all and voting for anyone he annoited is a disaster .The chances if pdp winning edo state is very very slim . Edo people have realised there mistake. They still believe oshomole still remains the best governor they had . More importantly that Monday is a esan man ...

For those of you who think road construction equates with “perform well”, are you sure you are not mistaken?

Can you compare the achievements of Oshiomole in eight years with the achievements of Obaseki for clarification? No right thinking Edo person would delay to tell you that Obaseki, aside from fixing roads, moved Edo state forward.

Take a look at APC controlled states and tell us what’s the good happening there. APC is the greatest mistake that Nigerians allowed to happen in Nigeria. Continuing to vote for APC is a sign of hard bewitchment. Obaseki will defeat them while using the PDP platform once again.

senatordave1:
All sir.it seems you don't know what a garnishee is

How can it work here with our governments?

senatordave1:
Keep quiet,obaseki is only paying few workers the 70k.obaseki is a FAILURE.a good politician knows that apc has already won Edo

I thought you were been reasonable and I responded to you. I never respond to rude people. If you cannot talk with decorum, please engage youths like you next time.

senatordave1:
He has succeeded.he has clipped ugly obaseki's wings

Has he returned to his office?
Has he returned to his official quarters?
How will he get allocations?
Have the concluded all avenues with the courts?
Oya answer.

senatordave1:
He will get it via garnishee order

And how many of such orders have worked with our governments?

JAWBONE:
His intention is just to spoil the chances of the PDP whichever way he can.

And he will fail.

He’s bitter that he could not return the seat to Exo north. If not for Obaseki, Edo north would have another candidate to the disadvantage of Edo central. Obaseki clipped his wings!