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Christianity Etc › Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:50pm On Jun 19, 2016

gabazin080:
but dere is somewhere in d Bible dat says God knows everything nd can do anything. but ur words av contradicted that word of God

Yes, God knows everything. he predestined everything. despite that he still gave everyone a choice, and that choice is called rational mind. whatever action a man takes in the midst of several choices was as a result of his rationalisation of that choice over others. What God does is to set the outcomes just like it's written-the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live. these are facts and laws. U now have the choice to do good or bad.

Christianity Etc › Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:44pm On Jun 19, 2016

SuperSuave:
but theres a saying that "nothing can ever happen without Gods knowledge" and Jesus knew judas was the one to betray him :s

Yes, nothing can happen without God’s knowledge. But since we don't know, de best we could predict is through our choices and actions. judas was predestined to betray Jesus, yes. But his choices brought it to fruition. there was no point in time Judas stopped being a rational mind. Even when he was told the prophecy, He rationed the 30 pieces of money over anything else.

Christianity Etc › Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:33pm On Jun 19, 2016

michaelwestern:
OP where did you get the notion that God has programmed all the activities of men from? Please that is not the christian doctrine, it's what muslims usually say whenever something happens to them.

God did not make us as robots that must do what He wants. You have the free will to make a choice to sin or not to sin. God bless you.

like everything else that follows a pattern works by law. nothing happens randomly. God has programmed existence with a law-the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live. like a job interview, God knows the percentage to take, he already knows those to take. U can only wish u r among. And that wish means to strife. Since God plans alone, U neva know u kuld be among the chosen. to think that out of 10, 100 persons r applying makes it impossible for u to be among is not true. it only means u refuse to prove that u r d best for the job

Christianity Etc › Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:23pm On Jun 19, 2016

malvisguy212:
you have freewill to love God or hate him, God will not interfere in your decision,God know Adam will eat the fruit, but God did not interfere, it's a choice, abandon your favourite sin or continue, God will only give you pastors to advice you.

things don't happen randomly. outcomes r results of a structured actions. the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live- that's God's law of predestination. He has given us free will to chose the path to follow.

Christianity Etc › Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:23pm On Jun 19, 2016

malvisguy212:
you have freewill to love God or hate him, God will not interfere in your decision,God know Adam will eat the fruit, but God did not interfere, it's a choice, abandon your favourite sin or continue, God will only give you pastors to advice you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:16pm On Jun 19, 2016

gabazin080:
i used to hear people say dis always. when something happened you see people say its GOD, that God knows about it. they say he already knows and has programmed everything that will happen to humans. if this is true then it means if I sin now he already knows I will. it means he already knows I will create this topic today. it also means am not @ fault for any sin I commit because he has already programmed my activities and know I will sin.
I asked my boss who happens to be a pastor dis question and his reply didn't answer my question. so nairalanders I want your views on this. is it true GOD has known everything that will happen to us

predestination?! I think yes! Like a job interview, God already knows the amount of persons he would employ, he knows the question or test, he knows the standards to use to filter everyone to arrive at the numbers He wants. if it were just 10 vacancies, and 100 r applying. it is left for you to strife to be among the 10. So far as God has not told you personally that u r his special candidate, even though he might take favour in you, ur choices in the process determines what u would get. Even if he takes special interest in u, u av the choice to ruin it. Or u av the choice to strife to be among the ten, or u kuld chose to fail cos u feel it's impossible for u to be among the ten. God plans alone, he does not consult anyone; so even if he has predestined us, you won't know it, the little u knw is through ur own actions, u can tell a little. Whateva u play or freestyle is the role he has given u. Now basically, he has given u an expo-the soul that sins must die; the soul that does good would live. this is the law of God's predestination.

Politics › Re: Wall Street Journal: Buhari Is Nigeria’s Problem, Not Its Solution by Elliot2(m): 7:42pm On Jun 17, 2016

koboko69:
Smh. This are the clowns asking for certificate. An illegal student is one who was never admitted into the institution in the first place. Which makes him not a student of the sch. If attending lectures and scoring good grade makes him qualified the question is, is he a student of the sch?
How does this logic apply to Buhari, is Buhari not a Nigerian, there by qualified to run for thr office of the president. Ir is Buhari and illegal Nigerian? This have been over flogged. I advise u read carefullly, and understand reasonably and stop littering the internet with hate instigated poo.

my dear, what u r saying does not count. it does not matter at what point the truth is unveiled, the truth will surely crumble every foundation, even the lintel or roof level sef. if such a student is not termed illegal, then wat is the term for such a person. it does not matter how many of the requirements u met,so long it's not complete, u r not fit (legal). No one is saying pmb is not a Nigerian; as all things being equal, despite having other credentials that make him eligible, one is only challenging his eligibility based on his wasc result. I don't hate pmb for ur info, in fact I am looking at the positive side of the whole drama, just how this kuld boost his integrity profile should he comes clean.

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Politics › Re: Wall Street Journal: Buhari Is Nigeria’s Problem, Not Its Solution by Elliot2(m): 7:39pm On Jun 17, 2016

koboko69:
Smh. This are the clowns asking for certificate. An illegal student is one who was never admitted into the institution in the first place. Which makes him not a student of the sch. If attending lectures and scoring good grade makes him qualified the question is, is he a student of the sch?
How does this logic apply to Buhari, is Buhari not a Nigerian, there by qualified to run for thr office of the president. Ir is Buhari and illegal Nigerian? This have been over flogged. I advise u read carefullly, and understand reasonably and stop littering the internet with hate instigated poo.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 104 Christians Convert To Islam In Delta State. See Photos by Elliot2(m): 6:49pm On Jun 17, 2016

realGURU:
When God love , he open ur heart to islam,
islam is unlike ur religion were hearts are won with lies and fake prophesies.

how many of ur pastors are using charms and amulets to do fake miracle, how many their prophesies fail woefuly

see evil bible Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

one thing that shatters ur argument meaningless is the fact that almost if not all the quotes are from the old testament. Even though we Christians r encouraged not to discard the old law as indicated by Jesus, we are made to understand that we are in a new era or covenant! Jesus has atoned for all our sins (de case of the adulteress he saved from death by the mob ),so that u don't need to kill the sinner or use the blood of animals to please God or carry out his judgement on His behalf. whatever sin a man commits now stays with him until he dies n faces God, there he will give account. Now concerning the old law, all those sins God dislikes them, and ordinarily they deserve death by His standards. He will not apologise to you anyway, but now he only chose differently- a diff approach. most of those laws that now seem inhuman now were worth it then cos of the prevalent situation. this is just like what every govt does by making certain laws nd annul them as they feel such laws are not needed anymore.

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Politics › Re: Military Mentality Affecting Buhari- Balarabe Musa by Elliot2(m): 2:32pm On Jun 17, 2016

lorbah001:
I prefer dah military way to deal with y'all bunch of thieves

Democratic way in dealing woth the polity

I disagree with u. military way without any form of democratic way will not yield any positive results-but a democratic way with military back up. you are not controlling some animals which would respond to ur whips. in the case of NDA, since pmb met amnesty policy as a precedence. what he should have done if he does not buy into the idea was to continue the program ( as a primary solution), while declaring his own conditions to continue or end the programme. from there, he can map out a permanent solution to the issue. just lyk d apc promise to pay unemployed youths 5k in order to alleviate poverty and reduce poverty induced crimes among the youths. while they do this, they look for permanent solutions for it. likewise that is what he ought to have done. If there is anyone to blame for this continued issue of militancy, it is obj. this is true because due to his military tactics without any forrm of dialogue and consultations, he failed to address the root of the cause.

Politics › Re: Wall Street Journal: Buhari Is Nigeria’s Problem, Not Its Solution by Elliot2(m): 1:55pm On Jun 17, 2016

koboko69:
Am done reverting to u. I have made my point sound and clear.

buh I tot d exam at Cambridge has made it known dat only pmb could order for the said result.

Politics › Re: Wall Street Journal: Buhari Is Nigeria’s Problem, Not Its Solution by Elliot2(m): 12:46pm On Jun 17, 2016

koboko69:
Mr man don't try to be smart. You sighted a warped logicg usin an illegal student becoming and SUG president. It was on that basis i first replied u. I simply asked how that applies here. Until a case have been established that thr President forged a Waec certificate there is no case here. In Nigeria, a sworn affidavit is used in this scenario. WAEC and the supposed sch are in the best position to determine if Buhari as a waec certificate or not. And as i said, the law didn't state what exact certificate is the minimum. It only stated school certificate.

I don't agree with u. an illegal student kuld as well be one who has been attending classes and making good grades therefore qualified to run for the SUG post, but in the electioneering process it's been revealed that he used a forged waec. automatically, such a student is an illegal student.

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Politics › Re: Wall Street Journal: Buhari Is Nigeria’s Problem, Not Its Solution by Elliot2(m): 12:30pm On Jun 17, 2016

koboko69:
Ur logic is sensless and Null. Illegal student means someone not a student of a university, so how does this apply here? Is Buhari not a Nigerian? Show me where in the Constitution WASCE was specifically mentioned? You guys are just making a whole hell of Noise, how many 73 year's old can actually find their waec certs if they wrote one. This is someone whose house was raided after been ousted as a military head of state and as a military man, he was posted every now and then.

This is how the Constitution put it

(e) he has been educated up to at least the School Certificate level or its equivalent;

Which certificate are we talking of here? Primarily, Secondary?
Blame your Constitution. To the best of my knowledge, Buhari have even attained far more than the equivalents so to think anything can happen to Buhari with all these noise. You are having a pipe dream.

he kuld av presented a PSLC or nepa bill receipt instead since there were other variables. but now, it does not matter if pmb has masters degree or phd in any field of study,but as far as dis matter is concern, he should produce de original or a believable wasc result that himself so claim he has in his affidavit he tendered to inec. that is the bone of contention. he should collect it from the military or Cambridge and show us. I am not against pmb, but nw here is a simple litmus test for him to lay a precedence on what integrity means in anti-corruption fight...

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Politics › Re: Buhari's Certificate Suit Adjourned Indefinitely, Lawyer Files Fresh Motion by Elliot2(m): 1:05am On Jun 17, 2016

keletex2000:
...even if he has masters degree or Phd,if he doesn't have the WASC/SSCE /GCE as the case may be, his PhD is null and void. "You can not build something on nothing", that's the saying.

true talk. Since it was wasc result (affidavit)he tendered to inec, he must prove same to be true-by providing the true copy of the certificate. weda him get masters degree or phd, it does not matter, since it was wasc result he tendered.

Romance › Re: Life Is A Teacher. Jilted By My Fiancee. by Elliot2(m): 8:02pm On Jun 14, 2016

mightykay:
when she didnt enjoy him sexually, and his sex capacity is low to her own sexual drive, so what do u want her to do?she came to test ur manhood performance and it failed, she cant compromise that then she left.so what is d problem wt that. @Op kindly solve ur problem

well f dat is de reason then y didn't she tell him straight, so he knws y she is leaving. I bet u if she did, OP wouldn't av written dis. Y her well no go dey too deep for am wen she done let guys dig her well till dem don discover oil dia wey fit serve Buhari budget. She na olosho, de guy no fit match am

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Politics › Re: Diezani Alison-Madueke Reacts To Al Jazeera Report by Elliot2(m): 4:35pm On Jun 14, 2016

Beremx:
you have written well jare! don't mind the frustrated wailers.

na mumu dey worry u! so all those effort dem wey she put to go sch, no be hard work ba? y d market women too no go de sch? na only her corrupt cos she work hard use pen steal, all dos market women dem wey dey inflate prices dem anyhow no corrupt? gerrara hia mehn, shit!

Education › Re: How Going To University Was Like In Those Days (photos) by Elliot2(m): 11:46am On Jun 14, 2016

mobinc:
Truly, the present day has better facilities to help one learn better with much less effort. The whole issue about fall in standard of education is a reflection of the fall in the standards of our value system. In those days, students were convinced that if they could learn better and perform better than their peers, the society would recognize and reward them better than their peers; and so it was. That was all the motivation they needed to be serious with their studies.

I need not tell you what has changed in our time, and why students are apparently unserious with their studies.

By and large, believe me, students are more intelligent nowadays, but systemic failure in the nation has made most people to lose hope in education.

I'm really sad 'cos there appears to be no hope for this country in the future, going by the current trend.

I agree with u. this age has more benefits as regards infrastructures n more! And we r more intelligent, this is so, cos the average person even without education can solve certain problems due to exposure-Education is not closed-ended anymore whereby it's only gotten in the class room. however,the problem of this age as u rightly say is the fall in our value system-motivation and reward! we rr motivated by the wrong people or things-and rewarded with wrong things or giving rewards to the wrong people, punishing the right people while the wrong people go scot free. For example,when hardwork and integrity r not reward,whereas indiscipline and people without good characters are rewarded in the society.

Politics › Re: President Goodluck Jonathan and Corruption - Femi Orebe by Elliot2(m): 2:26am On Jun 13, 2016

Horus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQdZfz_JdA

[size=14pt]Nigeria reveals embezzlement by Jonathan's administration[/size]

The Nigerian government says it has recovered more than $10bn in cash and assets stolen by politicians from the previous administration.

Most of the money was spent on property, vehicles, and jewellery.

President Muhammadu Buhari said fighting corruption would be his top priority.
did all those pipo confessed that they got all the monies in the spate of six years jona was in power?

Politics › Re: The Four Plane Hijackers Of Nigeria by Elliot2(m): 11:59pm On Jun 12, 2016

bolafex:
Thanks @op.
It sure made an interesting reading and quite educative too.
To me,the boys were very brave.They are the real heroes of democracy-dem carry liver.Lol.
The problem is,when you are up against the authority,people tag u an 'enemy of the state'.It is unfortunate but that is the reality.
Maybe one day,when we have democrats in the saddle in the real sense of it,these brave men would be appreciated even if their approach would be condemned.

true talk! they r heroes! the disfavour most of us give to people like them is to cowardly align with the tyrants in govt to label them enemies of the state.

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Politics › Re: The Four Plane Hijackers Of Nigeria by Elliot2(m): 11:52pm On Jun 12, 2016

PharmAlfred:
I have never been this moved or touched by a story. Those guys deserve to be celebrated and honoured. One in his teen and others in their early 20s could pull off a show of that magnitude.That's bravery at its peak.
Now some of us are calling it terrorism.

Am sure most of here are in our late 20s, early and late 30s. What have you done for this country?
Is there a chance that you could become the president or the governor of a state at 35?
We all hide behind keyboards and type whatever pleases us. Think! Think!! Think!!!

nice say! we don't know that as youths, we ought to be the force that should guide the path we want the country to go. With our youthful energy, we kuld fight every injustice and tyranny of our govt n leaders who are mostly expired old men who don't know what is democracy n development of a nation. those guys r heroes, they are role models! That shows our youths should go, using every means necessary to fight injustice.

Politics › Re: The Four Plane Hijackers Of Nigeria by Elliot2(m): 11:41pm On Jun 12, 2016

Holarz:
those are nt making threats alone,they perpetrate lots of acts that are causing turmoil in the country,countless of pple have passed on due to those acts....they need to knw wen to stop,
bombing refineries are dwindling the country economy nt improving it

u did not read where it was mentioned that one person died n few others injured as a result ba? let's not be bias in any debate. if at the initial time, after those guys made their demands, and being that they all have merits, and as a responsible govt, IBB had accepted it, then there wouldn't have been any more of the unfortunate drama as de actors would have gladly surrendered. But u see, despite the merit in their intentions, they were still jailed. and justice was not still served. Likewise in de case of Biafra n NDA,if only de govt had looked into the merits of their agitation, it wouldn't have gotten to these levels. U remember the Aburi accord ryt? if only Gowon had obeyed those resolutions, dat war would have been averted. we Shld understand that it is the tyranny of govt that influences most pipo to become rebellious

Politics › Re: The Four Plane Hijackers Of Nigeria by Elliot2(m): 11:21pm On Jun 12, 2016

wizzakosh:
biafran defeat to yorubas in ORE still hurting ur generation. Sorry, that how it will continue. Go and save your ppl in enugu and tell your govnor there not to be crying like chicken, he should act like brave man like fayose(a yoruba), not as coward like ojukwu(an igbo) mr runner. Only news dat fulanis are back in enugu, ur ppl don run into bush, what a cowardice act. Stop being a Viewer.

if to sey dat biafra war was just between the ibos n yorubas-i no dey sure sey u for dey today? Or just imagine sey na yoruba man bin dey rule and not Gowon-chai! Na oyo for be naija case. from ma personal experience with a yoruba taxi driver wey carry me n we jam police for road n I carry electronic appliances with receipts wey bear ma fwend name as owner, and de police accuse us sey we dey carry stollen goods, na dia I carry knw sey yorubas sabi fear! come see ma guy na! Lol. though i stil give dem de benefit of doubt, make one of dem disprove de fact.

Politics › Re: The Four Plane Hijackers Of Nigeria by Elliot2(m): 11:09pm On Jun 12, 2016

southniyikaye:
it takes bravery to do what they did but from another point of view, it's stupidity. How do they think ibb can be reasoned with? Bottom line, they are misguided youths

I don't agree that it's misguided. cos at that time in point, that is the only way they deem fit to protest the tyranny in de part of IBB led military govt. At that point in time, they don't have that kind of port folio which will command respect should they go peaceful protest with placards, they kuld av wasted all their youthful energy fuming n cursing in their minds,without any result; whereas that dormant energy kuld be used to drive a serious msg. And that is what they achieved, that is, injustice of any kind must be dealt with by any way necessary. They r heroes!

Politics › Re: The Four Plane Hijackers Of Nigeria by Elliot2(m): 10:46pm On Jun 12, 2016

JoyceMeyersFan:
the problem with Nigeria is that we "ethnicise" everything. We are too full of personal interests to be one. Any struggle that isn't coming from people of your region is considered unpatriotic but when its coming from ur people its bravery and a fight for the people. We were born with tribal bias and its always going to affect our judgment.

thank God sey pipo eyes don dey clear. tribalism for naija no be today, n d end no dey for sight yet. U see for example , wen some group of men in kaki decided on their own and hunt down n kill pipo in a coup whom they felt were not helping the country to progress, simply cause most of d players came frm a certain region n de victims came mostly frm a particular region, it was termed and implied as a tribal coup(igbo coup), nobody cared to find out if their real intents were genuine, to sanitise de system. it has continued that way ever since, whenever one person from one section rules or makes certain decisions, others won't objectively critic it. it will alway be biased . it's just a pity. pray dis present govt finds a way to resolve dis issue of tribalism, mistrust among units; resolved in a way we think n judge objectively, as patriots of one naija.

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Politics › Re: Niger Delta Avengers Give Nigerian Government Condition For Ceasefire. by Elliot2(m): 11:58am On Jun 11, 2016

lordizak:
They have an obligation to protect the region against all odds.

obligation u mean? obligation to fight against an indigenous people whose only desire is to be left alone, a desire (freedom) that the whole world agreed is a fundamental right. my dear, if there is any obligation they have to keep this country as one, first they should value the lives they are wasting unnecessarily? secondly, let it be included in their obligations the duty to tell the govt that force is not always the solution, that the govt should be more concerned about the causes of such agitation.

Politics › Re: Niger Delta Avengers Give Nigerian Government Condition For Ceasefire. by Elliot2(m): 11:49am On Jun 11, 2016

specimenC:
LIES!!!!!groundnut and cocoa sustained us till 70s. This same G&C money was used for oil exploration iin the fiirst place. Una neva hala. ONE NIGERIA till oil finish.

Resource Control: Northern Arrogance and Historical Distortion
By
Moses Ebe Ochonu
ebe_28@yahoo.com
I refrain from counterfactual speculation wherever I can. It is not good scholarship to peddle “what ifs.” But I wrestle constantly with issues which tend to lend themselves to such speculation, and my wandering mind occasionally seeks out imaginary scenarios and possibilities founded on non-existing situations.
One issue which has recently tasked my resolve to only discuss what ‘is’ rather than what might or could have been is the on-going controversy over derivation and resource control. Privately and publicly, we have confronted and contemplated a slew of counterfactual questions on the raging controversy over the demand of the South-South for an initial 25% of oil revenues, with a target of 50% at the end of five years. These questions all turn on one overarching question: what if the oil was in the North….
Apart from satisfying the inquisitive proclivities of commentators, this question raises a whole set of historical issues which undermine the North’s attempt to cast the resource control agitation of the South-South as a modern-day, oil-fueled greed that negates the historical trajectory of resource sharing and allocation in colonial and post-colonial Nigeria.
Let me be more specific. In response to questions such as the one above, and in articulating an answer to the struggle of the South-South people for a fair share of resources located in their territory, several contemporary Northern Nigerian politicians, some of them prominent actors in the present political arrangement, have often asked the South-South to take a cue from the generosity of their Northern brothers before oil was discovered in the Niger Delta in the 1950s. The North, it is said, generated remarkable wealth from groundnut, cotton, and other agricultural exports, wealth which it purportedly shared with the South, and some of which, according to some variants of this story, was used to subsidize colonial administration in colonial Southern Nigeria.
This is an ahistorical claim. It bears no historical veracity whatsoever, and, as a response to or a strategy to obfuscate the poignant, if counterfactual, question of what would happen if the North had all the oil, it fails woefully. As someone who studies Nigeria’s colonial political economy for a living and who specializes in the politics and economy of Northern Nigeria during the colonial period, I can categorically state that there is irrefutable evidence in the historical sources which show conclusively that, far from subsidizing the administration of any part of the South, the North in fact received several grants and emergency funds from revenue pools which originated largely from the more expensive agricultural exports of the South—cocoa, timber, rubber, palm produce—and from customs and excise receipts collected on Southern coasts.
Before I interrogate the Northern claim further, let me state that there is a flip side of this ahistorical claim, which is no less incorrect. It is a claim which is often made by Southerners about colonial Northern Nigeria having been a fiscal leech and burden on the robust financial anatomy of the South. It is said that the South subsidized Northern colonial administration. This is at best an exaggeration. Northern contributions to the revenue pool of colonial Nigeria was considerably less than that of the South throughout the colonial period. But Northern colonial administration paid for itself for the most part. Whatever disproportionate fiscal burdens the North placed on the Federal colonial resource-pool went to fund capital projects such as roads, railways, bridges, and other infrastructures, whose benefits often accrued less to Northern Nigerians than to the colonial system and its goal of building imperial prosperity on the backs of the colonized. At any rate, direct income taxation was adopted in Northern Nigeria almost a decade before it was in Southern Nigeria, and the North was consistently taxed more heavily than was Southern Nigeria.
Back to the myth of Northern colonial generosity as a leveler in the current debates about resource control and increased derivation. The North, as a colonial entity, did generate significant wealth from agricultural exports. However, due to a multi-layered mercantilist infrastructure of produce-buying peopled rather hierarchically by European, Lebanese, and African traders, and due to a constantly rising export duty, only a small percentage of the proceeds from these exports entered the personal and group economies of Northern Nigeria colonial farmers and the federal colonial revenue pool, much of the wealth going to British shipping and produce-buying firms. This reality, to be sure, also applied to Southern Nigerian export producers.
What made the difference, then, in terms of Northern and Southern contributions to the federal colonial revenue pool was a constellation of natural and circumstantial factors. The agricultural resources of the South commanded higher prices in the world produce market than those of the North. The North’s range of agricultural resources was narrower, owing to its ecological realities. The North was also more susceptible to crop failures, droughts, and reduced harvests than was the South. Thus, in the largely agricultural colonial economy of Nigeria, the South naturally provided the bulk of the colonial state’s revenue.
The point here is that the discourse of colonial-era altruism and/or forced sacrifice which is being invoked by the North is a fallacy, as is the claim of Southern colonial-era altruism. The South’s larger contribution to the national colonial treasury was not acquiesced to or consciously advanced by its people as an altruistic gesture, or a sacrificial act of brotherly love. On the contrary, it was compelled by colonial administrative and unitary imperatives, which were anchored on colonial goals and anxieties, not on the interests of Northern Nigeria. Moreover, the differential contributions to the national colonial treasury by the North and the South can and should be explained within the context of geo-ecological, and mercantilist realities; it should not be discussed as if it was a self-conscious act of selflessness by the South.
The pattern of greater Southern Nigerian contribution to the nation’s coffers was disturbed with independence. It has been sustained and re-inscribed into the national order of things by the discovery and exploration of crude oil in the Niger Delta. Thus, instead of speaking in terms of ruptures and discontinuities with past colonial practice, arrogant and historically-ignorant Northern politicians should recognize the fact that there has actually been a remarkable continuity and consistency in the pattern of revenue generation and sharing as far as regional contribution is concerned. There have been two notable changes since the discovery of oil and since independence. First, the percentage of Northern contribution to the federal revenue pool has shrunk further, as agricultural exports have all but disappeared under the economic bazaar of oil wealth, which now makes up an alarming 85% of Nigeria’s export earnings. Second, the discourse of Southern (or South-south) sacrifice and subsidy is empirically true of the post-colonial period, the dominating and oppressive political hegemony which sustains this reluctant sacrifice having merely changed from a colonial state to a post-colonial nation-state. The term “sharing,” which was certainly true of the colonial period, can now give way to “subsidy.”
These changes are peripheral and do not detract from the overarching fact that there has been more continuity in patterns of revenue mobilization and extraction between colonial and post-colonial Nigeria than there have been discontinuities, and that these curious continuities undermine the break with the past that is suggested by the fallacious claim of Northern colonial-era subsidy of the South. The subtleties and changes outlined above should also not vitiate the fact that, since 1914, Northern Nigeria has, for good or bad, been the beneficiary of state appropriation of regional and sub-regional resources. The reality of the post-colonial period, especially of the last two decades, is that the oil resources of the Niger Delta have subsidized the lifestyles, necessities, and comforts of the rest of the country. Another hallmark of this continuity between the past and the present is that, like the colonial state, the post-colonial Nigerian state, has not bordered to consult with the people from which it appropriates resources, forcing the Niger Delta, much like the colonial state forced Southern Nigeria, to make more contributions to the national treasury than other parts of the country by invoking the rhetoric of higher national interests.
In view of these historical realities, it is therefore the height of arrogance and insensitivity for Northern politicians and self-interested bureaucrats to continue to repeat the lie that the North had, in colonial times, subsidized the South with its resources and that this supposed historical fact justifies the on-going subsidy of the whole country (especially the North) by the oil resources of the Niger Delta. It is morally offensive when such a historical fallacy is used to dilute and confuse the just and moral struggle of the South-south for a fair share of the revenue derived from the exploration of its resources and for adequate compensation for the environmental degradation that it has to endure.
This argument is understandably typical of the arrogant and self-serving posturing of the Northern political class, which dreads the prospect of having to engage in the hard work of devising wealth-generating mechanisms for an endowed but impoverished section of the country. But it is an argument without historical basis. Even the more moderate and correct claim that the North shared its colonial resources with the South is useless as a response to the poignant questions thrown up by the latest derivation controversy—useless because both the North and the South had to share their resources with each other, since, by colonial decree, regional resources were amassed into a common pool without regard to the preferences of subalterns.
Let the Northern political class and its intellectual underlings come up with a better reason—if there is one—for opposing what is an incredibly generous act of accommodation on the part of the Niger Delta: the demand, not for all revenue minus taxes accruing from crude oil, but of a meager 25%. I hate it when history is subjected to such vulgar distortion in the attempt to scuttle an unpalatable event.
The Niger Delta people have accommodated the interest and survival of Nigeria through their reasonable demand for a graduated 25-50% derivation. Let us see similar acts of national preservation on the part of the North, and the West, and the Southeast.
Since I have broken with my own resolve and have dignified a counterfactual question, let me conclude by speculating on something so curious it may answer the question of what would happen if the oil were in the North. I have never ceased wondering why, after several decades of vehemently resisting the unitary outcome of the amalgamation and of curtailing its reach in Northern social and political life, the North suddenly changed course, the beginning of a rather fanatical Northern commitment to a federal Nigeria having even a semblance of national symbolic uniformity coinciding roughly with the discovery and exploitation of oil in the Niger Delta. It is very curious, and I have never been able to explain that dramatic Northern shift from a jealous and uncompromising guardian of regional autonomy and separatism to a fierce protector of an inherited post-colonial state structure. And I am not convinced that the shift came about solely as a result of the North’s capture of political power at the center.

Politics › Re: Niger Delta Avengers Give Nigerian Government Condition For Ceasefire. by Elliot2(m): 11:44am On Jun 11, 2016

Niyinficient:
What about the Niger-Delta Elites who impoverish their own people by building mutil-billion mansion in a slum dat has no road, no light and d people drink-oil water?
The leaders who use Ross Royce, Lamborgini etc as Bday gift for girlfriends while his gateman children go to thatch-roofed school?

What about the so-called opinion leaders in the Niger-Delta who hijack the fund for a societal purpose into private accounts? The youths who are on regular greedy visits to multinationals in their community to demand 'oyel money'? Youth who kidnap and vandalise these multinationals' personnel and properties for ransom?

Wen youths in other places will travel home to take their share of 'oyel money' whenever their community heads have 'chequed' the 'cheque'?....all the illegall money collected from these companies are supposed to b used by these companies for the good of the region.$..but u leave them not doing anything cos of the regular milking.

The region needs to purge herself of the her parasites if there must b a change.

That is non of our business! it only shows that the govt and the companies are not ready to do the right things. there is no excuse that u gave people funds and the abscond with it. The fact still remains that the ND are badly treated. U don't expect less when the govt chose few set of corrupt individuals without consulting widely, and those people abscond with those funds, what is the business of the ordinary man in the village whose backyard produces the oil, with such lame excuses? the truth is that, the govt and companies operating on our soils are not sincere? in fact they corrupt our people in order to continue in their divisive rule. As a matter of fact, I come from an oil producing community, these companies would rather corrupt a certain portion of the people with few changes as bribe, rather than doing those things that have been agreed on especially MOU. As long as these companies and the govt are not sincere, we would always have the issue of militancy on the ND.

Politics › Re: Niger Delta Avengers Give Nigerian Government Condition For Ceasefire. by Elliot2(m): 11:26am On Jun 11, 2016

funkydislo:
Terrorism is terrorism.Doesn't matter the types.Have you heard of economy terrorism?

Terrorism is terrorism. Doesn't matter the types. Have you heard of dictatorial terrorism? when the military or leaders use tyrannical force and intimidations,that is it.

Politics › Re: Niger Delta Avengers Give Nigerian Government Condition For Ceasefire. by Elliot2(m): 10:41am On Jun 11, 2016

[quote author=omonla555 post=46457311]I am a die hard Yoruba man and passionate about Yoruba and self determination. I cried when Ken saro wiwa was murdered and during the reign of Colonel Komo genocide in Rivers state.
My concern about the touts and criminals in the Niger delta is not about the struggle we started during ERA (Ethnic Right Agenda) now Environmental Right Agency, and Campaign for Democracy (CD) Beko Kuti, Tunde Oladunjoye and host of others.

Saro wiwa we knew, any other agitator from the Niger delta is a criminal stealing oil.

I know and it will come to pass that, any independent for the Niger delta and resource control will wipe the region from the world map. [/quote) u have spoken de truth. ND don't have genuine activists or opinion leaders who have the interest of the people at heart; we no longer have the likes of ken saro wiwa,all others are criminals who capitalise on the issue of ND being neglected.

Politics › Re: South-West Sends Mercenaries To Other Parts Of Nigeria To Fight – Akpabio by Elliot2(m): 1:27am On Jun 11, 2016

hundredhunndred:
Coward like ojukwu and the whole ultimatum Ibo race. Get lost and stop crying.

Having captured Port Harcourt, what else? You expect that they would surrender. But they now went and built Uga and Uli airports and planes were flying there. Two airports at the same time; ingenious! Uga in Anambra State and Uli Ihiala in Imo State of today which was the main one receiving all the main aircraft, it was just a road. They just widened the road and it worked. Looking at the ingenuity of de ibos,very creative. una get luck,ss no fully support Biafra then, Nigeria for go down. it will dis time.

Politics › Re: South-West Sends Mercenaries To Other Parts Of Nigeria To Fight – Akpabio by Elliot2(m): 1:19am On Jun 11, 2016

hundredhunndred:
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You are still shedding hot tears, I know you feel like killing yourself right now cos of shame. Alabi Isama, Akinrinade, Adekunle are all Yorubas. Your pedophille ojuku ran away when he saw Adekunle, you start a war and lost 3m souls yet you making mouth.

I know Igbos have no shame but sometimes I am always ashamed of una behalf. How is your fasting and prayers? Hope Fulani have not chop off your dirty hand. Buhahahahah

lol! Godwin Alabi Isama's father is from delta,while his mother is from Ilorin.

Politics › Re: South-West Sends Mercenaries To Other Parts Of Nigeria To Fight – Akpabio by Elliot2(m): 12:40am On Jun 11, 2016

Ikeg48:
What war did yoloba win? Which tribe start naming them cause last i checked, EVERY tribe yoruba fought against beat una asses.

Is it Dahomey’s women you defeated? Or is the Hausa/fulani you defeated...hell even Oyibo beat una before any other tribe. The only war yoruba Defeated is when you guys fought against YOURSELVES. That's it. Anyone whose read Nigeria history is fully aware of that. So pray tell Name the tribes or set of people yoruba defeated at war.

Secondly, spare us that nonsense that you lost your lands to fulani because of Afonja or whoever. Even till this very day, Yorubas are still arguing with fulani about illorin. Hell you even fight with then over that land and they still, till this very day, kick una ass each time you try rubbish. I'll happily provide you an article of the fight that happened between una and fulani in Illorin few years ago when yoloba tried rubbish. So spare us una rubbish.

Finally, Adekunle and Obasanjo didn't make any impact in Biafra war...FACT!!!! And this isn't coming from me. This is coming from their second in command, Alabi Isama, who last i checked is NOT Yoruba. Last i checjed, that nigga Igbo or so he claims. Both took credit of Isama's work. According to Isama, adekunle was in Lagos throughout the entire war. He led every fight adekunle was supposed to supervised. Infact, the only time adekunle lead and he didn't...they LOST hence adekunle was demoted.

Obasanjo yet again, according to Isama, knew NOTHING about fighting. In the first day of them fighting with Obasanjo leading, they lost more than a thousand men in just one day. Isama had to take over. The only thing your brothers did was credit themselves Isama's victory. That is it. Thank both Isama and the Northern foot soliders for the victory.
Isama made that statement when bought were alive and NEITHER men challenged him thus what he said was accurate.

You've NEVER won a WAR in your entire life. You won a war amongst eachother THAT'S it.

Shit your weak ass tribe was the first tribe in Nigeria to get colonized by oyibo. Everybody else lasted years before falling, una didn't. dis ur revelation swiit me die!

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