₦airaland Forum

holotee:
Wonder how much they are paying 'em,

Read the phucking article. It is clearly written there. Jeez.

edoyad:
If you don't know that the vatican is actually the influence behind some states' resistance to soften abortion laws that your cake. In that same subtle manner the monarchy still influences the state as is evidenced by crap like the commonwealth.
You still haven't answered me on the difference between the house of lords where some seats are inherited and the hongkong parliament where some seats are reserved for beijing.

You really do not get it. There is not influence what so ever from the Vatican. The influence with regards to resistance on abortion laws is to do with people's belief. Vatican have nothing to do with people's beliefs, if people feel an abortion is needed, in their own time they will vote for it. While it may look like it is the Vatican's influence, it is clearly that of the people.

Again the Queen is nothing but a figure head, Nigeria is part of the commonwealth isn't? Please tell me what influence the queen have if nothing but a figure head. Can she influence Nigeria to pull out of the world cup or something? Bangladeshi is also another member, how come she hasn't used her influence to promote Christianity or something? After all she is a Christian?


As for your questions. The first one appears to have been mixed up. I think you meant "Peerage inheritance"? If so, this people are formely allowed to seat in the house of the lord - Hence why you may have the idea they "inherit" the seat. However since 1999 only 92 out of 600 plus or so are allowed to sit - this do not mean they inherit any seat in the house of the lord. Also, from what I just checked it appears they are limit on what they can do or not do when compared with others. Anyway, that is my understanding. Anyone with a better understanding can correct me if am wrong.

Second question. I really do not know why [if there is truly any] there is a reserved seat, I really cannot be bothered to look this up sorry.

The point is, no democracy is perfect. You have stated Scandinavian nations probably have a better democracy, yet in perspective, it is suited to their type of needs. The democracy in the UK and US are envy of the world as it is one of the oldest. Is it perfect? Nothing is, but most Nigerians will embrace the form of democracy in these two country over any type. Perhaps you will prefer sharia?

By the way, the newspaper I cited above are known for their perceived hatred of immigrant, yet they ain't even showing that. Clearly, it shows they see nothing wrong with the events.

Oh give me a break. The guy in question is a big football star back home. Nothing wrong with him [president] offering a helping hand. President/Head of state/Prime ministers all across the world are known to intervene when their citizen's interest are concerned. So what is your problem? Will you be happy he didnt act at all? Also you seem to have a problem with his choice of club. . . What a joke.

Below is the story as reported in the UK press, no one seem to be complaining.

Kenya PM Minister Raila Odinga had tried to secure his country's star McDonald Mariga a £7million move to Manchester City by phoning Gordon Brown.

Midfielder Mariga, 20, was refused a work permit by a panel that included David Pleat and Dave Bassett and Inter Milan stepped in with a four-year deal.

Jose Mourinho said: 'He's a purchase for today and tomorrow but he can also fill the hole left by Patrick Vieira.'

The £7million move City had been all but agreed, but the Kenya international's difficulty in securing a work permit put pay to the deal.

The 6ft 2in marauding midfielder would have provided a combative force at the heart of Roberto Mancini's midfield.

And here is a comment from one John, Macclesfield who thinks the UK govt is wrong not to give him a work permit:

I'm sure I read that there are no controls over immigration to this country, and that it suits the government to let everybody in because they hate the British etc. Yet this guy is denied a work permit.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248122/Please-allow-McDonald-Mariga-join-Manchester-City-Kenya-PM-Ralia-Odinga-phoned-Gordon-Brown-deadline-day.html#ixzz0eUXzfOg2

And another one:

David Pleat didn't know where Mali was a few years ago when Freddie Kanouté wanted to play in the Africa Cup of Nations - having someone as ignorant as him on the panel can't have helped Maringa, and no doubt Inter have picked up a brilliant player and an English club will be paying five times the amount in three years.

- Algieelgie, Melbourne - Australia, 03/2/2010 09:13

So there you have it. What is your problem really?

tunku:
The big deal is that this is below him.

Is this your opinion? Oh if it is, then no point. Stick to it but, if you must remember, part of a leader's duty is to help the fellow citizen. In my eyes, he did well. Besides, who are you to say what is below or above him, especially when the action is completely legal?

This isn't how you spend political capital that was paid for in blood. And are you going to tell me that Inter Milan is a far less prestigious side than Man City? Not to mention that Mcdonald isn't the first nor the last player to be denied a work permit and those cases has not required the intervention of Leaders/co-Leaders of countries.

Again your opinion. The people of Kenya do not seem to have a problem with this particular action but you. Even if they do, he acted within his powers and legally.

edoyad:
@Elrazur, you honestly cannot tell me the monarchy does not influence England politically. It would be similar to assuming that the Vatican does not politically influence Italy and countries like Spain with large catholic populations.
That being said There's virtually no country where religion doesn't have an effect on the political framework.
As for the lords, Beijing can as well say Hongkong's parliament is democratic since "part" of it is actually elected, can't it ?

No she is a figure head and nothing more.

No the Vatican is actually an independent county inside Italy, they have their own police, laws etc. Again, No. The Vatican have nothing to do with Spain. Jeez.

For the record, all types of democracy do have people who can be influential one way or the other in them, but it is the will of the people that matters.

I really think your point is flawed. Perhaps you should look up on these things a little bit?

cap28:
yes i watched the first few minutes and had to switch off because i realised that this documentary is being put out to quell any current feelings of suspicion that most people have about this earthquake.

i would prefer to do my own independent research before listening to supposed scientific evidence which may or may not be bogus.

im still researching this issue and shall get back to you later.

So let me get this straight, simply because it do not go well with your thinking and ideas, you opted to turn if off after a few minutes? And you are suppose to provide a counter argument to it? You are the very definition of an ignorant person am afraid. Despite all the outlandish stuff you posted along side others, I had to read them and take them in then make my own counter arguments. You see, that is how to learn. Jeez man, where is the logic?

How many people have such suspicions if we do a head count, there is just less the 10 of you who are vocal about it on NL and a very lesser figures who aint vocal. So tell me who are these people? The Russians who are clearly anti-west and will post any propaganda to support their claims, are these the people you are talking about?

What independent research are you doing? If you call using materials that are not based on facts but suspicions and crazy theories, then I am afraid, that is not the kind of research you can bring around here. We want facts and nothing but facts. By the way, can we have your qualification or CV on since you are doing an "independent" research. What a joke.

Please get back to me, I will be waiting. I mean, It was about four of you before and now one of you have decided to phuck off. I guess one down, three more to go.

I guess because of who he is, he is not allowed to do other things? No? Besides all he did was use his influence I guess to obtain a permit for a Kenyan citizen who was apparently the first or so to be in the EPL, so what is the big deal? You want him to keep quiet? Nah wah o.

To you may be we are. But from where I stand Nigerians are still nicely tucked in bed waiting for a Prince named Obama to come and deliver them from the pits of the dragons of oppression, poverty and bad governance.

In a nation of 150 millions. About 10k took part in a protest and you think we are waking up? Erm Okay, I guess we are. I think you should watch the video of America's milion man march to illustrate how people "wake up". Or watch the video of various countries where protest are held non-stop over days until the government is forced to quit.

jimmysho:
elrazu, pls leave US out of the equation. even if they do not plan we can ve such a great nation with the present realities

No. I am saying it before some deluded person mentions it. That is all. After all, what good is debating if you cannot see the view of another person?

Personally, for Nigeria to achieve all those things listed, we need to be ready to pay the Ultimate sacrifice, but so far majority aint ready.

ElRazur? But since I have created a monster that lives within me, I guess I have to learn to live with him. **Hugs ElRazur**

MrCrackles:
Returning looted funds to looters

At least the UK can wash their hands clean isnt? Now imagine the outcry if UK refuses to hand over that fund on the same basis? People would have shouted "colonialism" etc.

Now that you mentioned it, what happens to these returned monies and returned looted funds? Anyone know exactly what policy we have in place for them?

You do realise those are personal opinions? She left the government and as a result, one can argue that she is a bitter ex-cabinet member or something.

Anyway, it is clear there are a few inconsistencies leading to the war. The question is was any law ever broken? I personally think international law maybe? Whatever the case, I do not think this enquiry is about taking anyone to court, other than for us to learn from it and make sure inconsistencies, et al are ruled out.

The reasons given by brown and blair are not convincing enough in my book. But do not forget that part of the public enquiry are not made public so we will never know.

As to how these make UK a 419 nation is baffling. Lies, inconsistencies etc are what drives politics. I suggest you look at home first. lOl.

I thought the catalyst will the Great satan USA. I heard they are planning our demise.

edoyad:
I do not accept that statement on England being a great democracy of the world. I think Scandinavian countries offer a much healthier version of democracy than the historically aristocratic England.
Besides such symbols like the Monarchy, Church of England and the House of Lords don't seem that much democratic to me.

Really? Shame most agree.

The form of democracy practised in that part of the world is possible because of low population. You try organising direct democracy in Nigeria and see if you can pull it off. Let us see how you organise your citizen to vote every month or week on important issue. Let us see how feasible it will be?

As for your last claim. You do realise, there is a distinction between the monarchy and the govt? It is similar to a nation having President and Prime Minster. The people in the House of the Lords are elected, but don't let me stop you.

@Thread Wole Soyinka's observation is wrong. There are ghetto schools in America too isnt? Based on that alone, his assertions are flawed. For the record, the number of home grown terrorist here are in the minorty and not in anywhere the number or manner suggested.

Cyberfreak:
I don't blame you for being tired of explaining. A large majority of Nigerians are too simple minded and too willing to worship America to see that they don't give a hoot about their wellbeing.
You attempt to explain to them and they call you a conspiracy theorist and foolishly choose to remain blinded by American propaganda.

Please educate me as to how "amerikka" have hand in all of these?

Lol.

Anyone managed to catch back on the program yet? Especially, those who may have been poisoned by the claims made by Horus, Negro_Ntns and sammilla?

http://quake.usgs.gov/research/deformation/modeling/people/ross.html

Ross Stein

My research focuses upon how earthquakes interact through the transfer of stress. Examples of such interaction include the progression of mainshocks along a fault, aftershocks, seismic quiesence, and earthquake clustering. My collaborators and I are interested in how one earthquake can promote subsequent shocks at some sites and inhibit them in others

Here is his CV [resume]

http://quake.usgs.gov/research/deformation/modeling/refs/Ross_resume.html

He clearly knows what he is talking about.


Let us see this morons challenge him. In fact, I am taking the liberty of sending him an email with a link to those silly threads. I mean, we are already perceived as Fraudsters, it won't do no more damage if some of us are perceived as idiot and illogical fools, especially those we have pointed suspicious finger at the US. 

One of the contact details of the Professor that gave an expert opinion.

Professor Bill McGuire

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/es/people/mcguire.htm

Director of the Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre





w.mcguire@ucl.ac.uk

Tel: 020 7679 3449

Research Interests

Geodetic monitoring of active volcanoes; volcano instability and collapse; volcanoes and environmental change; volcanic hazards and their mitigation; volcanic emergency protocols and procedures; low frequency-high magnitude geophysical hazards.

Courses Taught

GEOL1004 Dynamic Earth

Homepage:

http://www.abuhrc.org/newsmedia/Pages/affiliate_view.aspx?affiliate=11

I will add more people as their details are posted up.

Or could this be one big ruse by the US to convince us all?

Whatever you guys - Yeah am talking to you guys, you know who you are! - are smoking, you need to give it up.

Oh another reason there are so much damage is that some of the buildings examined have little or not steel in them. There are plenty concrete but little steel and according to experts these can mean a difference between a building staying up or collapsing.

I also remember making a reference to houses built in Japan are made specifically to protect against tremors.

Still thinking the US have a hand in all of these? God punish you for evening thinking that.

One of the reasons there was so much damage according to experts is what is known as "amplification". This means that as the earthquake ripples travels away from the rocks or fault plain, there is a massive increase in the "ripple effect" [hence amplification].

This effect means that buildings and structures that are built on rocks or close to the base of the rock will receive less damage, while those on lose soil or away from the fault line will suffer much damage as a result. In the case of Haiti, most of the house and its structure are around the "soft sediments" area hence the devastating damage.

The program is still on going and will try and post as much as I cant.

Oh it any one is in the UK, you can watch it online at Ch4 website. It is entitled "Haiti's Killer quake: Why it happened".

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/4od

At least those who have sprouted all sort of drivel about the US involvement can watch it.

So far we have seen road destroyed in "rippled effect". This flies in the face of claims made by some Nairalanders. There are even deep fault lines similar to San andreas fault line.

Still thinking it is man made? Not a chance!

PS
I am writing these as am watching so bear with me. Will update some more.

An image of SA fault line.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://geology.com/articles/images/san-andreas-fault-map.jpg&imgrefurl=http://geology.com/articles/san-andreas-fault.shtml&h=750&w=711&sz=336&tbnid=qz2tBU7ysGL5qM:&tbnh=231&tbnw=219&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSan%2Bandreas%2Bfault%2Bline&hl=en&usg=__Ti6m6eGsG9ZgL0bAwlWbbzb64No=&ei=FJdoS_KIBqai0gTl0uSzCA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&ved=0CAcQ9QEwAQ

I am watching a program right now and there are geologist, scientist, researchers and all forms of various international organisation who are expert on earthquake and movement of the earth etc all presenting views based on facts, records and known science. One that have proved beyond what anyone around will say is the fact that there was a warning couple of years back. This was based on facts and observation of the earth plains and fault that forms Haiti. Please read below.

Scientists who detected worrisome signs of growing stresses in the fault that unleashed this week's devastating earthquake in Haiti said Thursday they warned officials there two years ago that their country was ripe for a major earthquake.

Their sobering findings, presented during a geological conference in March 2008 and at meetings two months later, showed that the fault was capable of causing a 7.2-magnitude earthquake - slightly stronger than Tuesday's 7.0 quake that rocked the impoverished country.

Though Haitian officials listened intently to the research, the nearly two years between the presentation and the devastating quake was not enough time for Haiti to have done much to have prevented the massive destruction.

"It's too short of a timeframe to really do something, particularly for a country like Haiti, but even in a developed country it's very difficult to start very big operations in two years," said Eric Calais, a professor of geophysics at Purdue University.

Their conclusions also lacked a specific timeframe that could have prodded quick action to shore up the hospitals, schools and other buildings that collapsed and crumbled Tuesday, said Paul Mann, a senior research scientist at the University of Texas' Institute for Geophysics.

At the time of the earthquake, which the international Red Cross estimates killed 45,000 to 50,000 people, Haiti was still trying to recover from a string catastrophes. In 2008 alone, it was hit four times by tropical storms and hurricanes. The country also suffers from a string of social ills including poverty, unstable governments and poor building standards that make buildings vulnerable in earthquakes.

"Haiti's government has so many other problems that when you give sort of an unspecific prediction about an earthquake threat they just don't have the resources to deal with that sort of thing," Mann said.

In March 2008, Calais and Mann were among a group of scientists who presented findings on the major quake risk along the Enriquillo fault during the conference in the Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. Their conclusions were based both on geologic work Mann conducted along the same fault and recent findings by Calais.

Calais had detected rising stresses along the fault using global positioning system measurements that showed that the Earth's crust in the area where the fault traverses southern Haiti was slowly deforming as pressure grew within the fault.

That pressure, paired with Mann's work and the fact that the last major quake in the area was in 1770, led to the prediction that the fault could produce a 7.2-magnitude temblor.

Calais said he also presented the findings to officials in Haiti during a series of meetings in May 2008 that included the country's prime minister and other high-ranking officials. He said he stressed to the officials that if they did nothing else they should at least begin reinforcing hospitals, schools and key government buildings to weather a strong quake.

"We were taken very seriously but unfortunately it didn't translate into action," he said. "The reality is that it was too short of a timeframe to really do something, particularly for a country like Haiti struggling with so many problems."

Calais said Haiti has no seismic stations for monitoring quake activity, while adjoining Dominican Republic has a small seismic network.

Although the specific risks of the fault zone near Haiti's capital, Port-au-Prince, may not have been known until recent years, the region has a long history of major earthquakes, said Carol Prentice, a U.S. Geological Survey research geologist based in Menlo Park, Calif.

Those include earthquakes that destroyed Jamaica's capital, Kingston, in 1692 and 1907, that also occurred along the Enriquillo fault, which extends hundreds of miles through the Dominican Republic, Haiti and Jamaica.

She said Calais' GPS studies were the first along the fault to quantify the potential quake risk in the heavily populated Port-au-Prince area.

Prentice said she, Calais and Mann had sought U.S. government funding over the years for detailed excavations in southern Haiti to document evidence of past quakes in soil layers along the fault but that work has not yet been funded.

"It's entirely possible that we'll see additional quakes along this fault in the years to come. But we really don't know the risk if those studies aren't done," she said.

http://www.physorg.com/news182753713.html

Any one who wants to question these people, should at least do so logically.

PS
If anyone suggest once again that the US are responsible or give any idea that may suggest so, they need to be laughed at to be honest.

Another proof that it is not man-made

http://www.physorg.com/news182753713.html

Anyone who is keen on knowing provable facts should please read this.

Scientists who detected worrisome signs of growing stresses in the fault that unleashed this week's devastating earthquake in Haiti said Thursday they warned officials there two years ago that their country was ripe for a major earthquake.

Their sobering findings, presented during a geological conference in March 2008 and at meetings two months later, showed that the fault was capable of causing a 7.2-magnitude earthquake - slightly stronger than Tuesday's 7.0 quake that rocked the impoverished country.

Though Haitian officials listened intently to the research, the nearly two years between the presentation and the devastating quake was not enough time for Haiti to have done much to have prevented the massive destruction.

"It's too short of a timeframe to really do something, particularly for a country like Haiti, but even in a developed country it's very difficult to start very big operations in two years," said Eric Calais, a professor of geophysics at Purdue University.

Their conclusions also lacked a specific timeframe that could have prodded quick action to shore up the hospitals, schools and other buildings that collapsed and crumbled Tuesday, said Paul Mann, a senior research scientist at the University of Texas' Institute for Geophysics.

At the time of the earthquake, which the international Red Cross estimates killed 45,000 to 50,000 people, Haiti was still trying to recover from a string catastrophes. In 2008 alone, it was hit four times by tropical storms and hurricanes. The country also suffers from a string of social ills including poverty, unstable governments and poor building standards that make buildings vulnerable in earthquakes.

"Haiti's government has so many other problems that when you give sort of an unspecific prediction about an earthquake threat they just don't have the resources to deal with that sort of thing," Mann said.

In March 2008, Calais and Mann were among a group of scientists who presented findings on the major quake risk along the Enriquillo fault during the conference in the Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti. Their conclusions were based both on geologic work Mann conducted along the same fault and recent findings by Calais.

Calais had detected rising stresses along the fault using global positioning system measurements that showed that the Earth's crust in the area where the fault traverses southern Haiti was slowly deforming as pressure grew within the fault.

That pressure, paired with Mann's work and the fact that the last major quake in the area was in 1770, led to the prediction that the fault could produce a 7.2-magnitude temblor.

Calais said he also presented the findings to officials in Haiti during a series of meetings in May 2008 that included the country's prime minister and other high-ranking officials. He said he stressed to the officials that if they did nothing else they should at least begin reinforcing hospitals, schools and key government buildings to weather a strong quake.

"We were taken very seriously but unfortunately it didn't translate into action," he said. "The reality is that it was too short of a timeframe to really do something, particularly for a country like Haiti struggling with so many problems."

Calais said Haiti has no seismic stations for monitoring quake activity, while adjoining Dominican Republic has a small seismic network.

Although the specific risks of the fault zone near Haiti's capital, Port-au-Prince, may not have been known until recent years, the region has a long history of major earthquakes, said Carol Prentice, a U.S. Geological Survey research geologist based in Menlo Park, Calif.

Those include earthquakes that destroyed Jamaica's capital, Kingston, in 1692 and 1907, that also occurred along the Enriquillo fault, which extends hundreds of miles through the Dominican Republic, Haiti and Jamaica.

She said Calais' GPS studies were the first along the fault to quantify the potential quake risk in the heavily populated Port-au-Prince area.

Prentice said she, Calais and Mann had sought U.S. government funding over the years for detailed excavations in southern Haiti to document evidence of past quakes in soil layers along the fault but that work has not yet been funded.

"It's entirely possible that we'll see additional quakes along this fault in the years to come. But we really don't know the risk if those studies aren't done," she said.

Anyone who says otherwise or even try to suggest these scientist are fake or talking porkies need to be laughed at, then show us his or her qualifications.

Who in their right mind believe this sort of non-sense, and most importantly what kind of journalist grant a slowpoke like this an interview and air time? Perhaps another idiotic journalist I guess.

If 4800naira can cure him, the people Doctors and Scientist would have figured that out. It is sad when a nation is run by poeple who are so backward. This is 2010 for crying out loud, when are we going to move away from these kind of things?

nana:
Dude is happy about vals day 

I am just happy that you are happy. 

Nothing wrong with being happy after all, I am God's gift to ladies and so hell yeah I look forward to their present. I heard one lucky lady is buying me a Yellow Lamborghini. Could it be you?

Sam Milla:
Once more.
Lets stay away from each others' posts.

It is a public forum. Learn to stop getting personal, especially when your arguments are running out of steam. It is not rocket science you see.

tpia.:
read the link and try to apply your cognitive faculty as well.

lmao. Tpia, have you been reading Kosovo's book again?

Why can't just all get along?

See what I mean by engaging brain and debate logically?

What is the above have to do with anything?

Do you know what Irony means? If you are quick to call people who disagree with you kids, but then result to childish comments, how is that justified? The joke is on you.

Sam Milla:
I thought we agreed on something about you and i living with our various ideologies ?
I dont remember what US did bad to me personally that will warrant a hatred for them and their products.
I am a Catholic, therefore i am not a religious extremist or fanatic.
I am Ibo, So i am not a Muslim and i have no premeditated reason to hate the US.
You and the other clones can agree with everything America comes up with but
Obama and I disagree on some of them.

I havent referenced to any of your post since then and i suggest you do the same. agreed ?
And oh, i got personal because sometimes it is not wise to be arguing with a kid.

@blacksta, You haven't responded to my last post.

Who agreed what with you? 

You keep forgetting that this is a public forum and as such, people will challenge what they want and as to how they see fit, provided it is done in a civil manner. However, you seem to forget all these and just go guns blazing. Funny enough, people here can out gun you if necessary, always remember that.

Since you seem to love calling names, here let me be blunt. Engage your brain, be civil, debate logically and stop being a condescending and delusional person.

PS
For the record, I suggest you look up on the meaning of clones. Remember your word usage is very poor, so I suggest you check these things out before you try to get fancy with words.