₦airaland Forum

Sam Milla:
How old are you Blackie ?

Do you agree with everything American ?
Because the current president doesn't agree with Iraqi War.

Why are you quick to get personal? Why don't just call me whatever you want to call him instead of patronizing him. He already gave an explanation, yet you prefer to be condescending towards him. As the American will say: What gives?

Blackstar is more than capable of holding down his own views, but jeez let us be grown ups when discussing ideas please.

From the post a few individuals like yourself, it is clear to see how you falls into the Anti-american bandwagon. For example, most of your points towards america are not based on facts, but personal view, anecdotal evidence and emotional outburst. Give me a break please.

Debating is not for everybody, if you cannot be civil, then no point coming here to post, and no I am not trying to censor you. I am just trying to say people like me will pick up on these things and you may not like it.

ibkaye:
Someone's bored

No you can't have it. Too much chocolate is not good for your waist line. You are trying too lose some weight remember?

Get your big backside on YIM or something.

13 days to that time from now. Here is another box of chocolate and rose for the first lady to say "Roses are red, Violent are blue and am one fine Omoge"

Oya who wants too? Remember this is for the first omoge to say ""Roses are red, Violent are blue and am one fine Omoge""

https://img109.imageshack.us/img109/973/mishkabelyikonf1rosa.jpg

Okay sir. I guess making personal claims without much substance is good enough for you? China is looking like the one heading for suicide mission. But never mind, thank god I am not a betting man. I will not be taking your tip as something to bet on.

If Lamborghini's are wishes. . . I heard the thugs and armed men will ride too?

Beaf:
Is your foot going to stop it?
Nigeria is paying for years of planlessness, stupidity and blatant wickedness.

The only way the country can be saved is if we hold a national conference to sit down and thrash out the structure of our nationhood.

We have had over 40years to do that or at least work it out, but quite frankly, it do not work. Perhaps time to try a radical approach. . . God forbid, we actually do what most want this time and go each other's way? Just a thought.

coldhearts:
I think it's a bit delusional to think all these countries will continue to go in the direction of madness (all out war) and i say this with all due respect. Bear in mind that Europeans love life more than death while America is on a suicide mission, Europe is merely grudgingly following the lead for now - this clearly show in the amount of troops it pledges each time to Afghan.

How is it delusional? You forgot almost half the world took out Hitler in WW2. Look, when an all out war is looming, the rational thinking of man changes to that of a survival instinct.

The war in Afghanistan is not an "all out war", this is a war against non-conventional forces hence the scenario is different. They is like comparing Oranges and a fish tank. They bear no relations what so ever.

what happens when Europe gives in to its people's call to stop the war or was that simply ruled out. There's pure hate for Americans almost everywhere especially in the so called allies because people love peace.

A lot of people protested against many things, it do not mean that their wish will be granted. You just do not stop an all out war just because a few thousands of people or a few millions of people wants to in the face of overwhelming support from millions and millions of people across several nations.  I'm sorry, but things do not work like that in International politics.

By the way, i'm sure Americans are not that foolish to presume that Taiwan (many Taiwanese are descendants of China itself) is more than a paper ally and  the arms deal are probably antiquated stuff but this is merely my opinion.

What is that got to do with anything? There are Chinese of Japanese origin when Japan attacked china in world war 2. Again, your opinion is incorrect am afraid. The arms deal is a major one, it will cost about  6.4 billion dollars and this aint for bows ans arrows, but heavy weaponry, flight defences, fighter jets, personnel training etc. Look, no nation will spend that kind of money for outdated equipment. [May be some idiots in Nigeria will, but not other nation. Yes Nigeria spend million of dollars on some silly chinese-made fighter recently]

I agree with the comment you made that in war economical laws do not play in the same norm which explains a bit about U.S new strategy. Hope it doesn't get a surprise.

Glad we agree on something.

I'm sure you realize that china's cash can easily be accepted by many nations besides the ones you mentioned. I know we will not agree on this issue and my initial statement still stands so here is a virtual handshake.

Again it is not clear cut. But refer back to my previous points. US is one of the largest "consumer nation" on earth, to pull them out from china will lead to a massive issue on china etc.

the residents collect scrap from the dump and sell it.

Aint that just a definition of Recycling?

I thought it is a common sight in the north to see cars with massive poster of Osama on its sides?

Let us try and make a few things clear.

These people claimed to be running a missionary base in the neighbouring country. While these people may have had good intentions, they have clearly not followed protocols. It appears laws have have been broken and as a result should be dealt with.

How these makes them a representative of America or America's military present there? It is a bit ironic that people are quick to say the action of Faruk is not a true representation of most Nigerians, yet we see here that the OP have allured to the idea that this event should be blamed on America. Nice.

blacksta:
Dont you guys know they are some weed smoking conspiracy theorist called Sam and Negro_nts on the foreign section who think the U.S used an earthquake machine against haiti on the guise to take control over the country new recently discovered oil .  That is the most silliest thing i have heard in this new year

Look clearly you are not intelligent. The epicenter of the earthquake was different from what we know. Besides, "my sources" said the US used a machine called HARRPP to generate that tremendous amount of energy. So, it must be true.

Advantages of No Military coup.

Attraction of investors from home and Abroad.

Potentials for development

International communities do not meddle in our affairs

Feeling of stability.

etc


Now let us look at it once military coup comes in:

International focus and possible sanctions

Investors are known to shy away from coup-prone nations

Even if military takes over, there will be fear and less feeling of stability

etc


That is just what I can think of, but I am sure there are more detailed points that others can add.

asha 80:
Why can't u guys get Elrazur's drift?He is simply sarcastically echoeing what nigerians here on nairaland always seem to say whenever this kind of story surfaces.

Damn. This brother is ruining my fun. lol.

On a different level, I have noticed people find it hard to detect satirical and wit based humours around here, especially when laced with sarcasm.

OvieE:
Once again you prove how silly and idiot you are. How did America responsible for earthquake in Haiti not Jaiti?

Look, do you even know a joke when you see one? Or do you not have an ounce of common sense in you? Jeez. Look read my post again. It is clear to most what am talking about but you. Jeez.

Oh where is Jaiti? Is it on the map?

THE AMAKA:
[color=#ff1199]duh!!!![/color]

Wait let me get this, you seriously believe that?

mikeansy:
what exactly will amerika benefit from a distablized nigeria?

One sec. Let me smoke my special conspiracy theorist weed.


Ahhha. I'm back. Yeah they are after setting up a military base. Haven't you heard they are responsible for the earthquake in Jaiti so as to set up a military base? Word. I'm telling you son sources reaching me right now say they are after our oil.

Let us get it out before they [conspiracy theorist of NL] do.

This is all big plan by the US to destabilise Nigeria. I mean, how come they never offered help until US puts Nigeria on some sort of terror-prone nations list?  I swear to god, death to "amerika" for all of these.

This is just power show boating I.e to let Iran regime know that they [US] can play hard ball if necessary.

I wonder how Iran will react? Support more attacks on Israel I guess or come out with some outlandish statement again. Or launch some half baked "long range" missiles.

They clearly have nothing in their Arsenal that can take on what the US have deployed. In other words, they have nothing that can show a physical show of force and presence.

No far from it. It is not "turned tables" in my opinion. These sort of intelligence gathering is limited to inside one's nation - with the blessing of the law. China is in my opinion using what is more like "covert aggression" in the same way they practise "aggressive capitalism".

Mossad will gladly kill any enemy of the state in any part of the world.

Mi5 and Mi6 will monitor activities at home and abroad to see if there is any threat to the UK or any of her allies if necessary.

KGB will do dirty works like mossad and gather intelligence like the CIA

etc.

The point is, no one have gone to the extent in which the China is actively pursuing her ways. This can have implications and a very severe one, but let us see how it goes.

AjanleKoko:
A few years ago, I might have agreed.
But these days, I doubt the US will get that much support from Western nations, serious support in any case. Case in point Iraq and Afghanistan.
Granted, they have superior arms, but what about the cash? China's got lots of that.
That kind of war is not even going to happen. China is just trying on some arm-twisting diplomacy. But let's see.

Look when an all out war breaks out, US will get support from Nato forces - they are US allies. Nato forces may have a few disagreement but majority will carry the vote. Then on top of that, UK will be fighting along side the US. Please tell me something, if you have the US, UK France and Germany - all the heavy weights with supports from few other nations. What chances do China have? These nation will suffer no doubt, but in the end China may not live to tell the tale.

As for cash, I keep telling you guys that things are interwoven. If nations like UK, US, France, Germany et al won't accept your cash, what good is it? Again both parties will suffer, but China will stand to lose out the most. In an all out war, things like economical laws do not play in the same norm we know in my opinion.

If 6.5 million people die as a result of their own lack of care for their health. I think it will make life a bit easier on the social amenities for the rest of us? You know, free up jobs, schools, road etc.

When ever the following are used in Nigeria's media [see below], I think the true meaning are next to each phrases.

"reputable resources" = Baseless story

"We have the proof" = Hearsay

"Authoritative sources" = Some random people who offers 3rd rate information that maybe or not at all correct.

"Eyewitness account" = Take it with a pinch of salt, after all Nigerians are known to exaggerate a lot.

Right before I start, I will like to mention that this is a focus on China. While almost all powerful nation bug each other, it appears that China is taking this to another level. Usually, this kind of things are limited to areas that may provide political gain, but china is actively gathering intelligence on business and people who may have trade secrets. Some have even argued that the bounds and leaps made by China should not surprise anyone i.e their so called advancement may have been based on intellectual theft. Again there are reasons that support this notion. [If you want one, please ask. I do not want to divert from the point I am trying to make:

Here are some various extracts from the article.

A leaked MI5 document says that undercover intelligence officers from the People’s Liberation Army and the Ministry of Public Security have also approached UK businessmen at trade fairs and exhibitions with the offer of “gifts” and “lavish hospitality”.

The gifts — cameras and memory sticks — have been found to contain electronic Trojan bugs which provide the Chinese with remote access to users’ computers

Again while this may sound as some low-level form of hacking, one need to see the bigger picture to fully appreciate what is going on here. For example Huawei is one the biggest [if not the biggest] electronics, chip and telecoms outfit in China. Only that it have been linked/known for receiving funding from the Chinese Military in conducting several "espionage based research and development". Also, there have been reports of Huwaei's offices in other nations employing people with links to the Chinese army. Below is a link supporting the last statement. Please make of it what you want.

http://www.telecomtiger.com/Corporate_fullstory.aspx?passfrom=topstory&storyid=7067&section=S162


Here is another quote from the leaked report.

MI5 says the Chinese government “represents one of the most significant espionage threats to the UK” because of its use of these methods, as well as widespread electronic hacking.

Again another notion that supports this is the recent attempted hacking of Goggle in china. Goggle describe the attack as "highly sophisticated" a lot of people have attributed the level of attack to the Chinese government. Let's not forget that these attacks are targeted at those who campaigned against the appalling Human rights in china. Coincidence?


Another quote from the report:

It claims China has also gone much further, targeting the computer networks and email accounts of public relations companies and international law firms. “Any UK company might be at risk if it holds information which would benefit the Chinese,” the report says.

China has occasionally attempted sexual entrapment to target senior British political figures. Two years ago an aide to Gordon Brown had his BlackBerry phone stolen after being picked up by a Chinese woman who had approached him in a Shanghai hotel disco.

The report says the practice has now extended to commercial espionage. It says Chinese agents are trying to cultivate “long-term relationships” with the employees of key British companies: “An undercover intelligence officer may try to develop a friendship or business relationship, often using lavish hospitality and flattery.

“Chinese intelligence services have also been known to exploit vulnerabilities such as sexual relationships and illegal activities to pressurise individuals to co-operate with them.”

Chinese hackers have repeatedly targeted western networks

-Computers at the Foreign Office and other Whitehall departments were attacked from China in 2007. In the same year, Jonathan Evans, the MI5 director-general, warned 300 British businesses that they were under Chinese cyber-attack

-The People’s Liberation Army is reputed to hold an annual competition to recruit the country’s best hackers

-Two years ago, Chinese Trojan horse spyware was found in the offices of Angela Merkel, the German chancellor

Please have a read of the article and make you mind of what you will. Personally, I think the approach employed by the Chinese is just too aggressive and it makes me shudder to think what they are capable of doing should they ever become world power.

Here are some suggest reading links:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7009749.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5993156.ece

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/01/201011344158285428.html

coldhearts:
EIRazu,
you do have a point that things are complicated but why complicate it further by providing arms to a region that will likely loose if war broke out. U.S can barely handle its own problems at home. There's  no jobs, minorities (including Asians) have the highest job loses, bad leadership (dems and repubs) and  high debt; now U.S sells arms and ideal fantasies to  people all over the world too lol.

I think you will find that all the points I raised are VALID, not just one part.

I think it is a common misconception for people to try and argue that home should be fixed first before anything is done outside. Again, things do not work that way, this is Security and foreign policy and hence, have nothing to do with the issue at home. For example, if the foreign policy is to provide food for a million somalians every year, a nation is under obligation to carry out those policy even though there may be food scarcity at home. That is how POLICY work. Having said that, sometimes, these policy can be amended, but until then the nation is obliged to them.

Do you really think that U.S cares  that some Taiwanese people would rather remain separate from China? it's ok if you do i guess.

The foreign policy of the US towards the Taiwanese people will suggest so. So yes they do care. After all, the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act allows the US to HELP in the Island defences. So USA is acting within legal rights and hence helping the people of Taiwan.

The idea that the U.S wants to liberate Taiwan by arming it is merely ideological, Taiwanese people will most likely suffer the consequences of this more.

Do you have any idea, how inaccurate what you are saying is? Not to sound arrogant, but you may want to pick up a book and read up. Taiwan is governed by a separate government since the end of the Chinese civil war. It do not consider itself as part of china. The biggest ally is the USA and have helped in the past. Also the deal that is causing all these problems is STILL going ahead, so how is it just "merely ideological"? 

China have threatened the existence of Taiwan from the very onset, the only reason china haven't gone all out attack on them is because of the US. Besides, Taiwan government is quoted as saying the Arms deal will make them more secure.

I don't know about you, but if you do not want to be a part of a household and as a result you've had every threat made to you, various missiles pointed at you as result, and then the world most technologically advanced nation offers you some weapons from her Arsenal as part of a deal [to support you against your neighbour] I guess you wont take it? I know for sure that I will take it.

Lastly, it will be as detrimental to the U.S if china kicks this so called number one consumer to the curb if not more so i hope it doesn't happen.

Again, things are interwoven, China will likely suffer the most. When it comes to all out war, money plays very little part. What matters is your technical-know how, range of weaponry, your allies and who are willing to die for you. US can count on almost all the nations in the west apart from a few. Who is cihina going to turn too? Russia and Iran? I do not know about you, but I will rather be in the US camp. They aint  world Super power for no reasons you see.

PS
I will post a thread shortly about how china is conducting espionage and attacks on Western business interest etc. I wonder what your view will be? Blame the US?

coldhearts:
The U.S is like a child throwing tantrums because he can't get what he wants -oil, power, perhaps war for hidden agendas. It continues to isolate itself from the world, even some Europeans have anti-American sentiments.

I think it doesn't realize yet that you do not insult those you're indebted to (Us owes china billions in bonds), A nation in debt is a  poor country and has no say in many things. U.S seems unable to adjust to it's new status - that is the problem.

Maybe it wants to kill off the creditor so it won't have to pay lol - it would be a big mistake to try that on China.

And not because Taiwan is one of many nation that do not want to be part of china? No? Not because several missles are pointing at mainland Taiwan and from china? No? Nice. As much as China have bonds, it still rely on the world's number one consumer - USA and her allies to be able to survive. Things are more complicated than the biased view you presented.

xpawn:
ElRazura, Can't you be a little polite. It's like you are here to insult and show off.
So you can't give your location and what you do? But you want me to do that becos of a val? there are many roads that leads to the market

Polite about what? And showing off what exactly? Anyway, aint you suppose to be getting the ladies?

Sorry, but I am do not see how my location and what I do have anything to do with the thread sir.

Please get the omoge and don't scare them away jare.

baybbootz:
so very mean, am so outta here

there is totaly nufin rung wif txt typin,as far as u knw wen n wer 2 use it.dsnt make ny1 less literate

Sorri o I wunda ef u will applia 4 a job tiapin shit?

Good riddance.

xpawn:
ElRazur what do you do and where is your location plz?

Will you like my credit card number too?

aloy-emeka:
I will support you if you promise me that you will not embezzle money after ascending the throne otherwise I will use nairaland to bring you down.

Do you have enough juju to protect you from assassination because I no fit do that one?. I know a few good babalawos that can cook and fry you well against any assassin, kidnapper, accident, heart attack,  swine flu, cancer , armed robber and premature death.

No. I will systematically develop Ekiti land just like Fashola and systematically make sure everyone is "happy".

Clearly, there is no juju if the Attah can be kidnapped like a baby - no offence. I will employ highly trained men from Mossad. lol.

I think I better stop now. I may be derailing this thread. lol.

aloy-emeka:
Have some respect please. This man was murdered and he was somebody's father, husband, brother and son.

Erm sorry o.

Are you supporting my quest or not?

A socialist website? Are you kidding me? Yet you have accused me of reading from CNN or something and believing everything the UN throws at me or something. Are you now seriously, quoting a piece from a SOCIALIST WEBSITE to back up your claim? I have attended their rallies here in London and listen to a few of their talks. Thanks, but no thank you.

What credible source do you have? I am more than happy counter  most point if not all raised by the socialist piece you posted.


By the way, I can't see your post. It is showing that you are the last person to post, but I had to go and view it in your profile. I think this is because the spam bot think your post is a spam - i,e just copied and pasted.

Seeing that the King of my Village is dead. This may be a good time to go home and lay claim to the throne. After all, I am a Prince. Who is with me? Remember there are plenty national cake to go round.

PS
I have always wondered why the King is called "Attah". My dad told me once, but for the life of me. I can never remember.

It is funny how all these new accounts pop up. Coincidence?

I am not so sure if it is worth engaging with you. Remember, you already labelled a few of us as ignorant. Pardon me if I just let your post go without much challenge. It get tiring to go round in circles.

Before you start harping all sort of verbal dramatics like others, please have a read as to the various threads discussing Haiti, Earthquake and how the US may have been responsible. All of these threads - even though not under the same heading - are basically the same thing. As a result, some points from other threads may be remade or stressed again in subsequent similar thread.

I am all good for asking questions. But jeez, claiming the US just want a military base in Haiti is just plain silly. All the US military bases in the world are as a result of agreement with the host country. Period.  When Nigeria refused Africom, how come the US do not go ahead and have one? Simple common sense will suggest, they weren't given the permission. So claiming the US is setting up a military base in Haiti under the disguise of a Aid is just silly.

For example, most military bases around a national shore or coast will have Super carriers carrying offensive and defensive weapons, with more Armed personnel and electronic warfare, supporting submarines from the Navy etc. Yet, in contrast all that have docked in Haiti's harbour are Ship adapted for Hospital, Logistics, Aids etc. Some of these claims are just absurd to be honest. Furthermore, people are quick to ignore the fact that Haiti people requested the help of the US. Jeez.

If you want to have a valid claim, wait till when the US start conducting "War Games", running Base-like military operation then you may have a point. Besides, there are watchful eyes scrutinizing everything the US is doing. I am pretty much sure that once there is proper evidence to show that the US is building a Military base, then we will all hear about it. Until then people need to get a grip.

Sam Milla:
While at it , i will also drop my credit card number for you.

Yes America is not occupying Haiti.
I have asked a question here about when they will leave which no one answered.

Can we please drop the drama? Dude, we can disagree in a civil manner you know.

How long does it take for the work to be done? How long does the people of Haiti wants the US there for? These are questions for them to ponder, not for the folks on the NL.

If this help your cause, US have suggested they are committed for the long term and I think the Haiti president have said he may need up to 10Years of Aid and Help in rebuilding haiti or so. Now I do not know if that means American, Japanese, British or UN will be present around this estimated period.

Below is an article suggesting the Health care sector is non-existent and as a result a long term help of around 82million dollars may be needed.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/0129784e096460074e9d98fbb55bcb4b.htm

I suppose that can translate to roughly about 5 years I really do not know.

Here is another link - using figures from the UN - on the rebuilding of Haiti. Please make your own mind up as to how long it may take.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8482237.stm