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What exactly is your point? It may be best to ignore me if you cannot debate without a clear head.

I suppose you ignore those who have a different view from you? And embrace those with "enlightened mind" like Negro_Ntns? Very funny.

Negro_Ntns:
plenty assumptions in your response.

first, I never said US caused the earthquake and I never said anyone did but based on the evidence on ground and my understanding that a naturally occuring quake has a distinct signature and that Haiti quake did not follow that signature, couple that with alternatiive view that this might be a HAARP hit and given my familiarity with US bad behavior I raised questions.

Let us cut the chase shall we?

Again I have mentioned to you in my previous post from other thread that Weather, Natural disasters, etc are not fully understood and despite our understandings, they sometimes do not follow a known pattern. I went ahead to gave examples of how a Tornado struck the UK without no warning whatsoever about two years ago. Even though UK is not a known Tornado country. I also gave evidence as to how a prediction was made by a meteorologist in the UK of how there will be a clear day and specifically how this particular Meteorologist emphasised on how people should not worry - Only for a snow storm [one of the most severe in UK history] to have struck.

Why did you not take this on board, but keep pushing the same regurgitated points at me? I also asked you why you feel all known phenomenons or natural disaster must follow a known pattern, but never gave me an answer.

Let us not beat around the bush, not following a known pattern do not make it a man-made attack or experiment like you are suggesting with your post. I hope we are clear on this one. I won't keep going round.

I dare you to quote where I said US caused the quake.

Second, on the point that I accuse US of occupying Haiti, I don't know how else you will call it if US hovered helicopter over Aso rock and air drop Marines in full combat gear on the premise.

I suggest you read your own post from previous thread.

It depends on your view. If the US aren't invited or are not supposed to be there, then it may be an occupation in the eyes of international law. However, given the circumstances and the fact that the president openly welcomed the US, why are you even contemplating such thought? Let alone making it as a post? Again let us be clear on that one. US was there to help, offer aid and further deployment was as a result of Haiti's and UN request.

The Congressman is saying the same thing that some people are claiming that military deploy is a good fit for relief effort in Haiti and that he disagrees and oppose that view. He said this is an open-end commitment. In other words, US will write its role flexibly as things move along. He blames Clinton (which I and couple other people have done) and Bush for their past attempt to do nation building in Haiti but the interventon and mismanagement was wasteful.
People who are familiar with this hisory are upset and are skeptic of US intervention this time around. I am one of those. . .and so is the Congressman.

Look you can look for meanings. My understanding is this: While there is a support for the aid effort going on, the need to deploy more forces in other to help will lead to long term commitment. This mean more budget cuts in some places over the years to finance this sort of operation. Also, the issue of Military deployment may be seen as a political one [the fact that this debate is going on on NL and in the Congress highlights this point] and hence why caution may need to be exercised. Now that is my understanding. I really do no see how this will support your stance.

If you say I'm spinning conspiracy theory and a hatred for US, wouldn't that place the Congressman under the same light?

Drop the delusion of Grandeur please. Milla compared himself to a few people and it appears you are doing the same again. Cut me a slack please. You have pushed crazy ideas and theories under the pretext of "doing forensics" all from the comfort of your arm chair remember. [Don't make me laugh]

. . .and I hope you know who Ron Paul is, he definitely love the country and he is a dissenter. Skepticism is different from conspiracy. Don't cry conspiracy just because its a buzz word. . .and eeryone is using it. more important becareful about making assumptions and quoting people out of context.

No I don't. [I hope you catch the sarcasm there]. But then I do not see the relevance of him and you in a comparison mode to this thread.

If you keep acting like one by presenting crazy ideas - e.g Planes need 3miles of clear runway to land: Suggesting the US have generated enough megaton of power to pull off an almost 8rts of earthquake etc. Are you seriously expecting people not to see you as a conspiracy theorist when you have shown all the hallmarks? Anyway, before we begin bickering again. I hope a few things are cleared up already. I really do not want to go back and fourth.

sista-jay:
Nairaland children, you can make your point without bein mean!! Make una listen to Sista-jay ooo!!

I am wondering if your profile picture is saying that "Your backside is as big as that of a Killer Whale"? Man, that will be one Humongous, enormous and massive backside ma'am.

ochukoccna:
[size=14pt]Suicide Bombing! [/size]
While they may not have originally invented it, they have modified & perfected it as an art form.

Can we please not go into that. I am talking about actual inventions or as claimed in the link I provided. If you cannot prove or disprove, please avoid flame-baiting.

chinesedoll:
When is Valentine again please?

Your point is?

vowiski:
you ve all suceded in diverting the issue, Gush , this i why i dislike NL.

That is a stupid coming from you. You forgot you posted your own rant in a thread that do not need your contribution, and when ignored, you resulted to changing the font colours to red. Sorry, but I won't dignify idiot like you with a reply. Finally, your thread was created for what exactly? I guess it fitted with politics right? What a joke.

kosovo:
No i don't . . . and i have answered your question in a new similar thread to the one locked.

I am convinced you sir are nothing but a power drunk, and illogical moderator.

How come?

We can organise something for you if you want. Plenty of guys "doing nothing" on that day too you know.

I think you can do with your own dose of advice to be honest. Again, because I am not seeing what you want me to see, do not mean I do not understand. But in the mean time, feel free to make me understand. It is a bit weird, you accuse the US of causing earthquakes, occupying haiti, then now making claim you are right by trying to present a statement from the same US to support your statement. A very flawed approach sir.

Negro_Ntns:
What do you call facts? You guys are bringing us reports and materials generated by US Geological Survey. . .maps and numbers and models, and you call them facts. Whose facts?

Which are regulated by international laws and regulations. No?

Which are monitored by several international stations. . . No?

Which are used as part of materials used world wide by all forms of allegiance No?

Which are run and maintained by people whose first love is Science, the betterment of mankind second and perhaps Politics least of their worries? No?

Okay.

On the other hands, you facts are from where? Live leaks? Conspiracy sites? Russian politicians who clearly are "non biased" towards the US. etc? Yeah I see you make a very convincing case.

Oh I can decipher it. You swiftly copied him since it appears to you it is a strong point. [While forgetting your original claims] Yeah that is how.

Speaking of decipher, I really cannot comprehend how illogical you get sometimes in your decision making too. Jeez.

Again I am failing to see the relevance of your post.

I posted it here because I do most of my post in here or at the romance section. Quite frankly, this do not fit into the romance section. Secondly, I mentioned that this point are made in heated debate as to how muslim have invented a lot of things etc. Thirdly, I did not post this in the Islamic section because it will get a biased view. Fourthly, I posted this with the hope I will avoid your kind of post and mentality. But clearly, that is too late now.

This is about a claim made and me wanting to examine these claims. I have had a look at some of the claims and some do just not feel right hence my digging deeper. And with the hope more people can shed light or correct me if am wrong.

Your point as far as am concerned are not exactly relevant to this thread. If you want it moved, I have no objection to that - I mentioned this already.

In the mean time, please do not derail this thread further, if you cannot add to the discussion at hand.

I know you make sense to yourself. But please do you mind speaking English just for once?

Again the very statement you posted appears to be against "Rebuilding Haiti" due to the longer term commitment it may take. So yeah your point is what exactly? Your claim all along was that of a military occupation and a plot to take over Haiti or something [oh and the infamous US is responsible for the earthquake in haiti theory], yet this very statement says otherwise.

Please spear me the theatrics and debate. All these talks about cards and ace is bullshi.t must every post of yours suggest a superior complex of some kind? Jeez. Delusion of Grandeur manifest in several ways and perhaps you are showing a few of them.

kosovo:
you answered it all,  But i have reserved the rights to answers such question to myself only.

ElRazur and CO. Question mark is a vital tool to consider when creating a thread, otherwise it could get canned.

You are full of it. You original claim was that it was baseless. There aren't any difference between this thread and the one you locked. Dude, it took someone else to make a silly point for you to latch on, while forgetting your original reasons. You really are inconsistent and misleading.

I am not sure I understand your post and its relevance to this thread.

nana:
Hmmm,what an interesting thread

Uuuhhhh Omoge sexy. I like your good looking-no-make-up-nice-skin- look joo. So how are you? I see your profile say 22. Hmmmm not bad. So what is Valentine bringing you? Or what are your plans?

kosovo:
This is better, other than the previous misleading thread,

Very rich coming from you. Your moderation decisions in itself are misleading. FFS.

Oh really? Here is the acid test.

Do you agree that your decision to lock down the thread "Proof:Osama bin laden is dead" while letting this one open is biased and at least questionable?

Negro_Ntns:
Razur, is that how you want to treat opposing views. . .censor their voice and lock them out of the community?

isn't that abuse of power and a part of what we don't like about Nigerian leaders?

Again you have managed to by-pass the basics of what am saying. My point is debate [Especially one with claims like the one presented in this thread] should be based on facts. Facts can be opposing sometimes, but not the kind of "Facts" you and sam present.

In other words, throughout the whole drama - won't even dignify it with the word Debate - You and Sam are yet to give any facts as to how you arrive at your views etc. And when this is pointed out, you guys result to personal attacks. Seriously, how is that helping the quality of debates around here?

My post was never calling for censorship, but merely calling for people to learn the basics and art of debating. Jeez.

If you noticed, I have kept away after a few post back, I just get tired of going round in circles etc. It do not mean I do not know how to debate or you have "superior intelligence" like you will like to think, but that I am just tired of the bickering and drama going on. Period.

Feel free to move it anywhere, but not the Muslim section. It is clear post will be influenced by allegiance to the religion in question. That is not good for a healthy debate.

Sunny, copy your post from the other thread, and I will do the same with mine. Let us see if Kosovo is really an idiot and will delete or lock this thread again.

It is funny how some people around here are quick to defend him, yet these kind of people do not come out to speak against his questionable judgements when one is made. Most importantly, none of them will see how power drunk he is. After all, how can he keep this thread open and then lock this [see link] https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-389953.0.html

Look the thread in question is about convincing each other as to what is acceptable as proof or not. It is not for you to decide if it is baseless or not. The thread was a meaningful thread with readable content and this one isn't.  Seriously, where is the logic?

What is this thread based on and how is it related to politics? You see, even after you are pointed at your illogical approach, you are quick to carry on posting in a useless thread. Jeez, you are already power drunk.

Kosovo, some of your decisions are questionable. You are quick to lock down the "Proof: That Osama bin laden is dead" thread, yet it let this one carry on right? Nice.

Where is the logic?

Ohhhhhh yeeeeeahhh. . . . This one is a wild one. I'm sure some like it wild.

Good for you. Now phhuck off.

ibkaye:
Lol, thanks but no thanks, I wasn't complaining

I insist.

PS[b]
I think she is a shy type and do not want to be seen as needy. Whatever, her ego is. I believe behind the hard front is some soft inside. So who is gonna be the first? She won't be here for long you know.[/b]

ibkaye:
Sorry, my Hmm was in response to your 'I look familiar' comment, yes it's me.

Oh ok, urm, I could blame it on the fact that I don't really have anyone to share the day with, well, atleast I get lotsa free chocolate

Hmmmmm

So there you have it Ibkaye is officially single. Oya where all the single men who wants to put a ring on it?

Here is a tip: Give her more than Chocolate. Make her feel special, wanted and needed. But do not overwhelm her. So who is gonna give her something for me?

Okay, apologies if this thread is in the wrong place. Having noticed how these claims tend to pop up during heated debate, I thought it will be a good idea to try and look at some of these claims and for people to make their own mind up I guess.

I came across an article on CNN, which basically is about the aforementioned topic. Now what baffles me is that the source of all the information appears to be from an Islamic scholar of some kind, this in my opinion is biased. I mean, If I want unbiased information about anything, I guess it will make sense to get such information from an unbiased source?

Anyway, amongst the "inventions" created by Muslims are as follows:

Surgery
Coffee
Flying machine
University
Algebra
etc.

Now I am not disputing that some of these things may not have been invented - Algebra for example. However, after reading a few of the claims made. It appears there are some sort of inconsistencies that may need further clarifications.  For example. A brief summary of one of the invention credited to Muslim states the following:

Flying Machine
"Abbas ibn Firnas was the first person to make a real attempt to construct a flying machine and fly," said Hassani. In the 9th century he designed a winged apparatus, roughly resembling a bird costume. In his most famous trial near Cordoba in Spain, Firnas flew upward for a few moments, before falling to the ground and partially breaking his back. His designs would undoubtedly have been an inspiration for famed Italian artist and inventor Leonardo da Vinci's hundreds of years later, said Hassani"

A quick check shows that the so called evidence was nothing more than an alleged reference to him in a book on his attempt at flight. I am not sure if there are any physical evidence. Yet the author of this book about Muslim inventions was quick to state that "In 9th century Spain, Muslim inventor Abbas ibn Firnas designed a flying machine -- hundreds of years before da Vinci drew plans of his own". In order words, Abbas beats Da Vinci to it. Yet on comparison, there are actual physical evidence - I.e Drawings and blue prints of Da vinci's invention.  So how does Muslim get credit for invention of a flying machine?

Another one that do not fit well is the claim and credit for Surgery. The Pharaohs kingdom pre-dates Islam and it is well documented as to how injured worker are amputated etc.  Surely amputation is a form of surgery and would have required a basic knowledge of some kind?

Anyway have a read, I am not entirely convinced.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/29/muslim.inventions/index.html

"Hmm" is not an answer to my question, or is the that new way of saying Yes and No around here?

Personally, I am so much against Valentine in real life. I.e I do not have to be nice to you in one day of the month, simply because the society deems it so. I will rather be nice all year round, but not just on that day.

Oh I aint no hypocrite, my online persona had to create a thread for the lovely ladies on Nairaland. [Provided most of them masquerading as ladies are really ladies.]

PS
God forgive me, I am so crazy lol.

Thank you. Is that you in your profile. I swear you look familiar.

Whatchu doing for valentine's?