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Sam Milla:
Require facts and proofs to do what exactly ?
to prove that United States are occupying Haiti ? Yes, They have done it before and that is a fact. The proof is thousands of Military men with guns.
What else do you need ?

Please let us deal with the question. I am asking about real life.

Also, words usage can have profound outcomes. For example, US is not occupying haiti. They offered to help and more help was required of them by the president of Haiti. Remember, the people voted him there and as such he is acting on the best interest of his people.

So I don't know where you get your "facts" of US "occupying" Haiti. Wrong word, wrong usage. It is little things like this that makes trying to debate with you a pain in the backside.

Furthermore of the 15thousands sent there, they are really not enough to help a nation of millions. Okay, you tend to forget there are other nations there with Armed men on the ground all operating under the umbrella of UN, so what exactly is your point? And where are your facts?

I have no idea. They really need to come out and play.

Sam Milla:
watch out for people who need facts and proofs.

Sam milla, I wonder if in real life you do not require facts and proof?

FL Gators:
[color=teal]I'm beginning to suspect you. You derive joy in bashing women.
Oje lo wo ara e wo. O ki n se omode moh.[/color]

Far from it. I have no problem with no one, even you. I am not keen on text typing. Surely, how hard is it to type a word like "You" instead of "U" or "Like" instead of "Lyk".

While we all strife to learn, somethings can just be annoying if you see what I mean. I pointed out her posting style to her from the onset, but she clearly ain't about to change and I aint about to stop digging into her either.

"it suks wen pple tiap in dis mana. it is notin bt sheer laziness"

For the record, one of the thing that I like about you is your writing ability. I won't even give you a looking if you type like a retard. But thank god I am settled now with Tope2000.

baybbootz:
^^
wow you are throwing away a hhaawt smart,unique and one in a million personal assistance away,

this is totally age discrimination_{there is no 19 writen on my forehead,is there}

kip bullyin mi,u wud b shoked at d end ov d dae, am old enuf 2 b a grandma.

When you learn how to type properly and can construct one and two sentences together, I am sure you will get a looking. This is 2010, no man wants a half baked illiterate for a wifey. Be hawwt all you want, but some of us prefer our ladies having a bit of brain.

kosovo:
Tergiversation by ElRazur has become more egregious and axiomatic by the day. . and his inability to Pooh-Pooh in the section has made him not to be taken seriously. His fuddy-duddy is also palpable.
  all his allegations tabled against me is completely apocryphal.

English please.

baybbootz:
14 DAES 2 valentine

am d TYM keeper
i get paid ryt?

You are 19 and you text type. No. I won't even want you to work for me for free. Talk less of paying you.

Sam Milla:
It will be safer to say that YOU DONT KNOW Such things can not be made public. I believe you know.

I dont remember saying they did it.

Meanwhile i only meant for debosky to pay attention to other news media. like Germans, Russians, etc and not only US.
Not to learn other languages. I believe he understood that too.

Hence why I suggested we debated on facts and logic. To present unproven points and ideas as fact is usually calling for trouble. Based on what we know, the US is not capable of doing such things. Based on science and using existing known values i.e the power of the last nuclear bomb use and the amount of energy an earthquake can release, it is possible to deduce that the US do not have that kind of know how and resources.

No you specifically told him to learn to speak another language so as to see what people are saying in spanish, french and other non-english forum about america's foreign policy or something. But let is not dwell on that please.

Ronald Ernest "Ron" Paul (born August 20, 1935) is an American physician and Republican Congressman for the 14th congressional district of Texas. Paul is a member of the Liberty Caucus of Republican congressmen which aims to limit the size and scope of the federal government,[2] and serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, the Joint Economic Committee, and the Committee on Financial Services, where he has been an outspoken critic of American foreign and monetary policy. He has gained notoriety for his libertarian positions on many political issues, often clashing with both Republican and Democratic Party leaders. Paul has run for President of the United States twice, first in 1988 as the nominee of the Libertarian Party and again in 2008 as a candidate for the Republican nomination.

Taken from wiki

Here is why sometimes you do not take people serious. He is known for such outburst, what makes you think he is not following his usual patterns of being a critic and going against everything here?


Please do a quick search on him and read more about him. Make up your own mind from there.

Sam Milla:
Collin Powell doesn't represent American Government. Understandable. That was his Personal view. Did i hear you well ?
what do you need the link for? You probably have a plan already in mind to discredit the site.
So whats the use ?

I just needed to be sure things have not been taken out of context. But if you wont give it up, then never mind.

You missed something there. It said ever Used. That doesnt make it the biggest one ever built.
I am sure you will agree with me that those people who built that bomb can as well double its power capacity.
They can Multiply its power by 100 if they want. I believe that make some sense. Or is that beyond them ?
On the figure of speech issue, let me put it this way.
I am a Nigerian, not a British or American.
So if i am to write or speak it in my own local language, i will do better than 99% of the British people.
I also remember telling someone here that studying English Language and Biology doesn't make one intelligent.
If we are to go personal, i can easily leave the thread for you because i am not interested.
You live in America, I dont. So i understand where you are coming from.

My point is, the US do not have the kind of power needed to cause that kind of damage. My point is that the US do not have that kind of technology to transfer earthquake-like destructive energy over several hundreds of miles across ground without leaving a tell tale signs of destruction. My point is there is noting to suggest it is man-made.

I am Nigerian, but one learn other things isnt? After all, you accused debo of how he should learn to speak other languages etc. So it ain't over the top I suggest you learn figure of speech. Especially, when it is so obvious, but you missed it.

No need to get personal, I am not here to discuss intelligence. Heck, for all I know you may be more intelligent than me. I am just here to disprove some of the notions you and others suggested that US is responsible for the quake, up to no good in Haiti etc.

Nah far from it, but then nothing wrong with getting a val from Nairaland.

Haaa my sweet mamaGee. How wonderful to have you here. Do you want some nice pre valentine's gift?

Sam Milla:
Elrazur, You keep mentioning Debate here over and over again ?

What are we debating ?
I can still read and this topic is asking why America is blocking all the airports in Haiti.
When did America exactly become Haiti's Best Friend ?
All along, we have been trying to make you and your Friend understand that United States are responsible for the fall of Haiti Economy.
We gave you facts, proof and more to let you know how it happened.

Right. Since it appears the word "Debate" is baffling you. I have taken time to take the definition for you. That way, you won't accuse me of using big English. Here:

A debate is a discussion about a subject on which people have different views

Then it goes forward to say:

If people debate a topic, they discuss it fairly formally, putting forward different views.

Right, now that you know the definition, can you explain to me which one you have observed? Quite frankly none of it.  

I honestly do not understand what you want.

To engage common sense?
To insult less and focus on the topic at hand?
To present facts and evidence to back up your claims?

Are those too much to ask for?

If you are asking me to believe that US are in Haiti for good reasons just because CNN said so, the answer is NO.
You dont work for any US government agency. Therefore i also believe that you do not know why US is in Haiti.
If you are comfortable with US doing whatever they want wherever they want just like Iraq, I am not.
To believe without doubt is called Faith. Now i dont have any faith in United States Foreign Policy.
Millions of Americans also dont have Faith in their own F-Policy.

What gives you the inclination that my views are based on what happens on CNN? You appear to have made an assumption and a very wrong one. But never mind, don't let me stop you.

I really do not get what you are harping about here. The US offered to help when Haiti is down crippled and almost out, and all you can think of is that the US is doing it for sinister reason? Will you be happy that the US do not help at all?  

It is fine to have your beliefs, but please do not force it on people, especially, when people won't buy your ideas. Haiti and Iraq are different settings, different circumstances and as such to mix both is just illogical and wrong.

Your lack of faith in the US foreign policy is not in anyway a proof that US is up to no good in Haiti. This is at best is Anecdotal evidence, nothing factual about it.

I quoted Collin Powell here about what he said about his Government's involvement in Haiti, and you said nothing.
You just bypassed it, made no mention of it and continued pointing fingers on me.

It appears you truly do not know what democracy means? Here, people are allowed to express their personal view and what not. Again, his personal view do not mean the US is up to anything sinister. No?

Dodging important and implicating points is not a way to debate

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Now that you mentioned it, can you please deal with the quote below? I posted from the first thread, directed to you and Negro Ntns, but none of you is yet to give me an answer, so in spirit of fair play, can you counter the quote the below?

Negro nts and horus, you guys are full of non-sense, and that is me putting it lightly.

For reference purposes, the largest nuclear bomb ever used emited about 50MT and in comparison, the earthquake that have struck haiti about 100mt equavalent of energy over a period of 30s. This equals to about 1.3 billion gigawatts and to put things into perspective, there is no man-made energy source that is THAT powerful. The total power is almost 1000 times the combined power of every power station in the world. How the heck does that even add up  Huh in your theory Huh

Also the US site you guys made reference to [or chavez and youtube conspiracist mentioned] is almost some hundreds of miles away and only generate 3.6mv of energy. How the heck do they manage to generate such a massive amount of energy than all power stations in the world combined and then send to some country hundreds of miles away without doing any damage in the process of transfer ?

Please counter the above? It was directed at you from almost 5 days or so ago. Let us see how you explain this one.

A way to debate is not to tell which people should be posting here on your forum and who should not.

Sir, you need to learn figure of speech.

here comes powell again.
I want you to concentrate on it. Make somethings out of it and say something about it in your next post.
Ignore me and my fiction like your friend called it. Just once. Thank You.

Do you mind supplying a link to the actual statement. For all I know, It may have been taken out of context, just like how you took my statement out of context to make a stupid point.  

While you are at it. Please explain these in reference to your blantant lie of how an earhtquake test goes wrong:

Negro nts and horus, you guys are full of non-sense, and that is me putting it lightly.

For reference purposes, the largest nuclear bomb ever used emitted about 50MT and in comparison, the earthquake that have struck haiti about 100mt equivalent of energy over a period of 30s. This equals to about 1.3 billion gigawatts and to put things into perspective, there is no man-made energy source that is THAT powerful. The total power is almost 1000 times the combined power of every power station in the world. How the heck does that even add up Huh in your theory Huh

Also the US site you guys made reference to [or chavez and youtube conspiracist mentioned] is almost some hundreds of miles away and only generate 3.6mv of energy. How the heck do they manage to generate such a massive amount of energy than all power stations in the world combined and then send to some country hundreds of miles away without doing any damage in the process of transfer ? Huh

Once you guys can stop sprouting crap and then give logical explanations and facts, I will start taking you guys serious

Negro_Ntns:
Razur, I see. . .

Facts exist, . . .separate from Truths!

1+1=2 is a Truth! If I say 1+1 is not equal to 2, that does not make me a liar or a conspiracist.

I want you to first understand that then I will give you the next line of thought on that equation.

Say what?

1+1 =2 is a mathematical fact. You idiot. It is backed up by proof, and in working application.

On the other hand, you have said 1+1 = 32 [then claiming it was taught by alien to Nasa scientist all in one breathe] is a lie and nothing but a conspiracy theory. Especially when no evidence to the contrary are forth coming.

In the mean time, go and dig out more of your jargons. I will be waiting. What a Muppet.

ibkaye:
Yes, really

What the heck, because I don't want to

There you have it xpawn. Let me give you a translation of what she is saying.

Translation: I will not date a lame guy. He aint my cup of tea.

Ouch.



Are you on yim?

Negro_Ntns:
Razur,  u are confused.  Your confusion is so bad that you are dribbling around in the mire of your own position. . .

you argued in favor of fact, then flipped over and argued against it! You argued against disclaimer, then flopped backward and argued in favor of it!  GOod luck!

You know. Here is how to provide the proof.


1. Read and understand what am saying, then quote my post.

2. Dissect my post. Leave emotions aside.

3. Add your post to highlight the point you have suggested - Like I did to yours.

4. Add any other relevant material or link to back up what you are saying if necessary.

5. Repeat for each section of my post that is needed.

That way we get to see these claims of yours.


Once again you result to personal attack. How thick in the head do you have to be to understand how to debate?

Here before we go off track.[b] Please explain to me what is FACT. And how come your facts appears to come with disclaimer. [/b]Maybe it is a new concept I am not aware of. You see, unlike you, I do not mind learning something new.


@Tayo D
You see why I just keep going? Seriously, do not underestimate the power of people's stupidity. It can be a fuel to keep going at times.

Really? tell us why you won't go on a date with him then?

Tayo D

I posted this [see below] and up till now, none of them can come up with anything to say otherwise.

Negro nts and horus, you guys are full of non-sense, and that is me putting it lightly.

For reference purposes, the largest nuclear bomb ever used emitted about 50MT and in comparison, the earthquake that have struck haiti about 100mt equivalent of energy over a period of 30s. This equals to about 1.3 billion gigawatts and to put things into perspective, there is no man-made energy source that is THAT powerful. The total power is almost 1000 times the combined power of every power station in the world. How the heck does that even add up in your theory

Also the US site you guys made reference to [or chavez and youtube conspiracist mentioned] is almost some hundreds of miles away and only generate 3.6mv of energy. How the heck do they manage to generate such a massive amount of energy than all power stations in the world combined and then send to some country hundreds of miles away without doing any damage in the process of transfer ?

Once you guys can stop sprouting crap and then give logical explanations and facts, I will start taking you guys serious.

I wonder if anyone of them will at least make attempts to counter this point.

I guess you are turning him down because he is truly lame. You are one wicked soul. Lol.

Lol. I quite like Negro_Ntns. But dunno what happened to him.

Sam milla, while I think he is okay as a person, his views on some of the issues here are just plain stupid.

I have no problem if anyone wants to claim superior intelligence, but at least let your post do so i.e debate logically etc. Anyway, I am sure they will both come out with something worth replying to at some point. Lol.

Oh, in that case he can take you on a date. The two of you will get right on just fine.

ibkaye:
Lol, doesn't that sound really cheesy to you?

Cheesy is fun.

Please tell me, what do you think of that guy's approach to Nana? Now that is just lame in my opinion. Lol.

If you are having a second thought for whatever reason, then you probably should not go ahead. Only do it if you are 100% sure.

xpawn:
guy, let us hear her reply first

Ogbeni no guy me jare.

If am her brother - older or younger. There is no way I will let you have her. You never told us your name, what you do, why she should be yours, etc. You just barge in here and talk "be my valentine". . . . You papa be Yar'dua or something? Look man, be more creative and use your imagination. Right now, as a man to another man, I think you need to try harder.

d.diamond:
hnmmmm, so so so interesting. valentine indeed,

Glad you are loving it joo. How are you? What is your plan for valentine?

Negro_Ntns:
Razur, you are conditioned to think everytime you hold conversation or have a dialogue it must be anchored in facts.

What is fact? I asked you this question elsewhere and you defaulted to external authorities as your source of facts. Tell me what fact is.

It appears you are pre-conditioned to talk drivel. And in the process of executing such moves, you have a secondary mission of disagreeing with anyone who tries to be logical by claiming superior intelligence etc.

Since you have an underlying mission to disagree with most. Do you mind explaining to me what you consider as fact?

Here for example 1+1 = 2. It is a universal and undisputed fact. But since you have a different approach I am guessing you can teach me a few things.

@Negro_Ntns. What is your point? Making lengthy irrelevant post do not by pass the questioned posed at you. Let us cut the chase again and tell me exactly your point.

The CRU in East Anglia, is exactly in the list of authoritative bodies that you listed and they have reports, charts, data output. . .all kind of things you want to know about climate. Not that their menton is related to the topic. . .but I bring this up because its relevant to the issue of authority and credibility. We recently learnt that certain scientists on climate research were cooking numbers to influence policy. People like you worship these bodies and take their output as the final say. . .anybody countering their report is labelled as a theorist and a liar. If that body had not been exposed their shenanigans on climate change would have been bought wholesale in Copenhagen.

Your point is? If you are quick to suggest data can be fixed, I suppose your "sources" are free from such liabilities? Please engage logic before you dive into unnecessary rants. It gets tiring.

There are many like that not yet exposed. I wonder if people like yourself ever read disclaimers before you consume what you wrongly called facts. Even USGS is distancing itself from ownership and responsibility of what you call facts.

Real facts should not come with a disclaimer.For example 1+1 = 2 is a universal fact and It do not come with a disclaimer. Are you even aware of what you are talking about? You seriously, should look at what you are saying again. Here is a definition of "Fact" as found in the Oxford dictionary:

"fact

• noun 1 a thing that is indisputably the case. 2 (facts) information used as evidence or as part of a report.

I am more interested in the 1. definition. Please explain to me as to how FACT and having Disclaimer makes it a fact?

Here is a definition of Disclaimer:

A disclaimer is a statement in which a person says that they did not know about something or that they are not responsible for something. N-COUNT formal
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The disclaimer asserts that the company won't be held responsible for any inaccuracies.

So please explain to me how Facts will come with disclaimer? Again only a conspiracy theorist or to put it bluntly, someone who talks shi.t will put together such idiocy.


Seriously, what is your point?

Once again you have shown that when FACTS are required, you are quick to bicker. How in the name of common sense is what you posted relevant to any of the post I made above?

Seriously, the more I read your post, the more I feel there should be a Sticky post about how to debate and the ethics of debating online.

Sam Milla:
That was your reason for US to send thousands of armed marines.
Its on the first page here.
Apparently you are just trying to fix yourself where you dont belong.
i m not interested in any debate with you. thats my point since you really wanna know.

If you feel you have won, its ok with me.

You really are just full of it. That was ONE of many reasons. Not just the only reason. Hence why I asked you look at the post that prompted me to post that.

We you have over a million people descending to lawlessness, do you think about 15 thousands troops are enough? Bear in mind not all of these 15k will be at the fore front i,e carrying guns. Some will be there for support role etc.

When you have a nation crippled - Yes a nation - by natural disaster, please explain to me as to how 15k is enough?

When yo have massive logistic issues, especially in a disaster zone that have left a lot of people needy, how the heck do you think 15k of troops are enough?

Please you do not have to debate with me. It is a public forum. Whatever post I make either quoting you or not quoting you, feel free to ignore them.

Look at this man o. No style no substance. Nah so them dey ask someone? Nana make you scrutinise this one well well joo.

Sam Milla:
Yes Exactly. Because if you want to debate on a matter, you need to know the history of that matter.
So far so good, Debosky is presenting his debate by analysizing the matter at hand.
Negro is presenting his debate with points no sane human being can overlook or ignore.
What have you said here that make sense ?

You came from a beer palour to tell us that US sent 15000 Marines to catch escaped Criminals.
That qualifies you as a crazy person with access to computer.

Again what is your point?

You clearly have taken my points out of context. Please explain to me what your point is exactly. You have accused Debo of big english, so I am suprised it took you long to find a fault in me. Anyway ignoring your rants, seriously, what is your point? I have said a few things. Which one did you not understand?

For the record, please quote the post you are talking about and check the reply that prompted me to make the post. Remember, debate is meant to be based on facts, not just wild assumptions and personal attacks.

daylae:
I get scared when val is knocking at the door! This time,man just have to lay low.

Haha. Classic sign of a man who dates more than one woman. Or who is broke and do not want to get too close lol. Which ever way, fair play on you jare.

In the mean time, Nana looks good and Ibkaye aint too demanding.

nana:
Haha,u're looking for trouble

Relax joo. Kini big deal?