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Hey guys, we are currently looking at picking up some sort of vehicle with good ground clearance and something good for Nigeria's road. Something that delivers a good miles/kilometre to the Gallon is worth bearing in mind as well. As it stands at the moment, I am looking at Light off-roaders.

Mitsubishi Montero sports.
I personally like this car, due to it reliability but I really do not know how it will perform on our road.

Honda Element.
Seen a few of these when I was home and I thought it looks good. Any comment on how this perform as well will ber appreciated.


Anyway, what other Light off roaders or light SUV should make the list? Please give your reasons. Thanks.

Your post appears to me as a paraphrase of wiki. My view and yeah am sticking to it.

You do realise there are 24hours in a day? Very useful information isn't? Maybe we should actually contribute to the thread. For your information, I don't use any of those cars.

Macteejay2:
Abi O! She was very lucky indeed. Bro hw u dey?

I'm good.

People have been hanged for lesser things. A woman recently - last week- got hanged. The manner and handling of her death sentence was questionable. But hey, this is iran.

I suppose with this case, the whole world was watching and they knew something had to be done. First she was charged with reporting without license or something similar, and all of a sudden in a closed tribunal, Charged with counts of spying and then straight to jail lol. Even naija will probably do better lol.

Sky Blue:
So you not wanting to do anything except what you trained for means you can't contribute as opposed to you rather contribute on your own terms? What makes you think the post which you derided and took offence at was completely directed specifically at you when I made note that is was more directed at ideas shared by groups of people, etc? So I should make note of things that ElRazur might or might not take personally before I post on any part of a public forum as not to be labeled "bitter" from someone who knows nothing about me? This exchange is proving to be an exercise in futility so just forget it please. Feel free to have a last say and if you took offence at the post then apologies but as I stated earlier I still stand by what I have posted, its a public forum.

Here, you are forgetting I have a choice. Do you respect that?  Who is giving terms? I am merely telling you I cannot do what I am supposed to do. Did I not mentioned, I will feel under achieve? Jeez, you do realise people's life depend sometimes on decision I may be making? I don't know about you, but you just don't cut corners when it comes to people's life.

I am getting tired of people back tracking in a debate. Have a spine for crying out loud. You post was directed at me, even others are able to see it. Why? I was the only one at the time you posted to mention how my field is severely under developed at home. A statement you later added to you post, so, how can you now say it aint directed at me?  
And as for thinking I labelled you bitter, Oh please. That was directed at people like Akpongbon - He appears to have several accounts on here that he/she uses for derailing threads. If anything, throughout this thread I considered you as one of those with brains and who know how to debate.  

This is not about having a last say etc. We are more or less making things clearer to one another.

Division only encourages sectarianism and tribalism. This is not what we need! We have enough state as it is already.

Akpangbon:
@SkyBlue


Dont mind ElRufai, he talks about his proffession as if it is one out of the ordinary, even if JEsus Christ comes to Nigeria today, He will have a lot to do, talkless of a mere whatever your profession is goon.

I have only ever mentioned what I do less than 4times or so debating here. This is what I mean about people just being bitter at their own existence. Nice try.

Sky Blue:
Here is the issue, you postulated that you couldn't contribute meaningfully to progress in Nigeria and I disagreed saying that whoever wants to contribute can in numerous ways. So please do tell, where does this "choice" I have to respect come into the equation?

Nice try. Here is the real issue - I am saying I WANT do come home and help with my kind of knowledge. However, I am unable to do so. ALSO I wont be feeling fulfilled with my role due to several reasons I mentioned. Strangely, you appear to have missed all of this, or left it out deliberately.

You them made some comment along the lines of how my skills can be transferred etc. Does it not occur to you that I may not want to transfer any skills across? Hence why I mentioned "Choice". Also, it is like asking a pilot to transfer his skills and work in say banking sector, Jeez that will be a waste. But hey, I dont expect you to agree or even see my point.

Sky Blue:
The situation can be likened to someone saying they are hungry and they want to eat but there is no food after which they are informed that there is food but its only garri and egusi to which they reply that they only prefer aphagetti and it is their choice. What am I supposed to do with that please? I was weary of actually responding since you took offence at my last post addressed to you, so please, we don't need to have exchanges if it would keep on degenerating into this.

Apple and oranges. Not exactly the same thing.

Dude, if you have noticed my manner of posting around here. I am weary of getting into lengthy debates, but sometimes it is necessary to point out certain things to make necessary points. Your statement that you apologised for wasn't necessary in the first place. Period.

It was only a matter of time.

She should be glad she wasn't hanged without a chance for appeal.

tosh_acer:
Exactly, why do people like the poster feel genuinely hopeless? Please help us ask him.

He gave his reasons. If only you can be objective and debate free of emotions.

tosh_acer:
I am convinced that Nigeria does not need the opinion of anyone on this forum before moving forward, noone at all. The fool sayeth in his heart there is no hope for Nigeria.

Again your post came in right after Diasporan logged right out, Hmmm. You really aint fooling anyone.

diasporian:
Well said, last two posters, who gives a damn if you give up on Nigeria or not? Nigeria is bigger than you and your thoughts, if you give up, thgere are million others, better than you, who will work hard day and night to make things work, so, if you like, give up and never come back and let us know ourselves that remain with hope.

What will post like this achieve? How come those better than him haven't done much in the past 40years plus of independence? Why do people genuinely feel hopeless? Please explain these things to me.


PS
Funny how your post seem to come in the same time Akpangbon and Tombola logged right out. Nice.

Sky Blue:
Speak for yourself and those you know please.

But when someone like me says my field is severely under-developed, and not prepare to go home as a result, You disagree right? And seem to want me to "transfer my skills across" without respecting the fact that I have a choice.

Yet here is a statement coming from someone whom I personally believe his post is legit - 40years plus of no tangible achievement will probably back his point up. And here you are disagreeing again, Kinda Ironic isn't?

Headfcuk.

Nice to see you guys. I work as BMS here in the UK. I will make contribution when necessary.

@Londoner.

I believe everyone makes a contribution one way or the other - be it sending money home to people, sending a car home or buying a house [all of these help contribute to the economy of Nigeria]. However, most us will like to do more and in my case, I feel my hands are tied for reasons I mentioned in my past posts.

londoner:
Alrazur, are you really seriously saying that unless its in your field of employment you can not have a positive affect in Nigeria? Pardon me to say, but it does look like you are confusing finding a job in Nigeria for yourself with giving of yourself to Nigeria/Nigerians.

There may even be people in Nigeria who want to get into the field, perhaps you could send them old text books or mentor them online. You still get to contribute witnin your own field that way.

Erm, I have no problem finding a job in Nigeria. I have refused at least two jobs over the years - well paid, with car and accommodation. I turned them down on the basis of not being able to do my CPD and training needed.

No I am saying, I am trained to be specialised in certain areas and I will really want to give back to Nigeria in that area. Asking me to go to other areas will make me feel under-achieved. It is about how I feel, the training I have undergone over the years and what I can offer. I should strike a good balance and not just dash in simply because I see the need to help.

As for mentoring people, let's just say I do what I can. I can't be bothered going into details.

You need to do the reset. I am not sure if it is done manually or you need the engineer to set it for you. Google "resetting maintenance/service meter in honda blah blah" You should ge a few hits I guess.

@labiyemmy:
Exactly what I am saying, noone directed anything at him, he gives himself too much credit, he makes me laugh.

biina:
and you are so sure the comment was directed at you, even when you cant find a reason for why?
I think you give yourself too much credit.

Only that I was the only one who seem to have talked mostly about civil war in this thread. Please tell me who have posted much about civil war apart from me?

@labiyemmy:
ElRazur

I am happy you dont understand what I have said, it just brings me to the conclusion of what I have said all along.

Which is?

I asked you what your idea of contributing to the country means, and you replied, you cant contribute anything to Nigeria because the work you do is not developed in Nigeria, hence you cant come to Nigeria to work. And I replied you, contributing to Nigeria is not the same as coming to Nigeria to work, these are two different things, people who contributed to the well being and growth and development of Nigeria never did so by working within their proffession, there are so many ways these can be done without necessarily thinking alongst your proffession "that is not available in Nigeria" hence you cant contribute in any way talk.

No you asked me "what I meant by Nigeria isnt ready for certain people contribution" then, I proceed to explained.

So you are agreeing indirectly that my field is under-developed and am within my right with the statement I made?

Look in the words of Tupac "Besides rapping, the only thing I do best is rapping". I am a Biomedical scientist, and that is what I am. Yeah sure I can take some "transferable skills" and become a politician or become a minister of petroleum or something, However, I am passionate about what I do and I love it. If people like you cannot accept that, it is not my problem, it is your prerogative.

In fact, let us make this interesting. What will you have me do?

biina:
Those that beat the drums of war, have obviously never been in one.  I advise you watch a documentary on (better still take a trip to) one of the war torn African countries, and I am sure any sane man would be against a war Nigeria.

While saddening, I am less surprised when Nigerians who live in a foreign land sing war songs, as they are sure they would be far away from the consequences. What baffles me most, is when those that live in Nigeria join the chant. When a mad man chooses to dance naked in the village square, his neighbor should not adopt his antics.

This is a debate. Please feel free to come direct at me. I detest "indirect talk". I never "beat the drum of war" I merely highlighted a possible outcome given the situation at hand. I did also gave more reasons as to why I believe a war may be the solution. To defend a point is not the same as asking people to go to war.

Dude I am kinda getting tired of having to rephrase myself with you every now and then.

@labiyemmy:
ElRazur

Please do not confuse or mix up coming to Nigeria to work for your own economic gain as the same thing as contributing your own quota to the development of Nigeria, these are two very different issues, if you pack your bag and come home to Nigeria to work, earn a living and continue to run down Nigeria as you do, then, it is not the same as contributing to any development, I hope you understand this.

Where is your logic? Seriously, where is it ?

Where have I stated I am in it for the money? Or I'm guessing you are just making assumptions?

No I do not understand your point. How am I running down Nigeria ?

Are you expecting me to give up my career and come down and be useless Is that what you want

I really do not get you at all, perhaps someone may help shed light on your logic.

@labiyemmy:
When I read these kind of topics and people saying they cant contribute their own quota in their own country, I just wonder what happens in other countries, a Nigerian comes online, looks at his/her min, wants to say something and the best thing he/she can find to say about his country are:

Nigeria is a failed country

Nigeria is doomed

I want to give up on Nigeria

I want to denounce my Nigerian citizenship

Nigeria is a crazed country

etc

I then realy sit down to think deep, and my usual conclusion is this, noone will do it for us, leave it or take it, where ever you are, you are still a Nigerian.[b] South Africa has the worst case of hooliganism and crime, but they never talk about their country the way we do here. [/b]They recently elected the most controversiol politician to lead them, a man whose political history is fraught with so many negative issues, but South Africans will never write so sadly against him, why are we so different in Nigeria? Are we the only people who travel to see what happens overseas?

I see you didn't bother to reply to my post! You wanted an explanation and you had it, now where is your reply?

As for the bit I highlighted, this is a common misconception. As with human nature, we only see the one way traffic not the other side. South Africans probably are doing similar things one way or the other, I suppose you do not use the equivalent of South Africa's forum to here?

Also, while crime and hooliganism may be rife in SA, how about we make a comparison of each nation so as to put things into perspective? We are bigger than SA, so it is normal to have more Nigerians talking about our issues than that of SA. Also the ethnics problems we have is fair to say it is bigger than that of SA, Just a thought.

nuzo:
Even if I were Elrazur, I still wont take any offense to your statement.
However, I agree with him on this as he will be a complete waste if he ventures into nigeria where his skills cannot be harnessed.
Secondly, he didnt mention that he is seeking to be received with a fanfare and be recognized with awards. He simply stated that he will be practically useless to the nigerian nation if he goes in now.

It is quite clear to see how a debate disintegrate easily around here. In most debates here, people tend to forms into blocks! You have those who actually contribute to the actual debate at hand, you have those who opposes and have a different view, you have those who do nothing but derail and then you have those who are just plain bitter at their own existence.

In the light of above explanation, I wont even dignify his thin-veiled insults with a reply.

My area involves loads of training, and constant CPD. There is no way I will be able to do this things if am in Nigeria, many ignorant people are quick to miss this.  But anyway, back to the original point that lead to making that post - Nigeria is truly not ready for some us that are here and may want to come home.

@labiyemmy:
How can a whole country not be ready for one man's little contribution? I dont get what your understanding of contribution is!

Sigh! **Slams head into palms**

Allow me to once again use myself as an example. I work in a specialized field - Biomedical sciences - This area is severely under-developed at home, to the point of non-existent. Now, if am to come home how can I do my bit when all the things I need are not readily available? Some of the Govt owned hospitals are not even kitted out with the basic machines, talk less of having the latests Analysers, or Assay machines etc.
There isn't constant power supply needed to even make these thing run effectively. Some samples requires storage at -40degrees or so. How do we pull this off?

You see Nigeria is not ready, because these things needed are not even in place. Will I come in and work in such environment? No I wont, I will be under-productive and my work wont make me feel fulfilled.

A lot of us away from home wants to come home, but these underlying problems aren't being sorted.

@labiyemmy:
Kidnappers - MEND or whatever you call them are not fighting for any freedom, they are thieves fighting for their pockets, religion violence is what you just called it, it is fighting for religion beleifs not for political reasons or gains.

You are missing the point! For the purpose of the point I am making, MEND are fighting for what they perceive as injustice - I.e the removal of oil in the region without much benefit to the local people. Take it or leave it, that is actually a genuine point. Whether they are doing something else now it is a different point.

Religion violence in Nigeria is always about a cover for controlling resources and the ethnic tensions that comes up every now and then. I mentioned yesterday that during this so called "Religion violence" it is not uncommon to hear of how and Hausa man reportedly kills a "Yoruba Muslim" simply because they aint considered as their kind.

@labiyemmy:
@Nuzo


Take it easy, I can swear to you that things are not as bad as you have written in your opening missive, there are still many good things going on in Nigeria, it is not all gloom for the over 120 million people in the country, why not take a trip home and see how you can contribute? no matter how little? There is just no way you can keep away and still hope you can help, absolutely no way, there is no need giving up, because when things get better, where else do you gio to?

Every now and then, people tells us to contribute and come home. I do not know what area Nuzo is, however is Nigeria ready for his contribution? Are the facilities there needed for his contributions? I mentioned the other time how my field is severely under-developed back home and many people just don't get it.

asha 80:
@Elrazur

I can tell u that people from former eastern region WILL NEVER engage in another warfare.If other groups want to engage in another war then good for them.

You reckon? Yet there are already Gun-shooting-Gun-slaying-Kidnapping-terrorising outfits right there. These people just shows how much people are fed up with the Govt. and they just want a share of the pie. People like MEND and co could possibly gather/drum support locally and have support from foreign powers enough to start a civil unrest in Nigeria.

Another example that will suggest otherwise on your views are the recent Religion violence. Remember it was more or less a case of Igbos tagging with Yorubas to fight back the hausas? You see the situation is really ripe for a civil unrest in Nigeria, we just need a catalyst of some kind.

asha 80:
@Elrazur

Do you honestly think people from former eastern region will engage in another war after what happened to them the last time?

The question is are majority of Nigerians wanting change? Are majority of nigerian or your common man happy with the state of the nation? I suppose there lies your answer.

Badriyyah:
War in Nigeria? You're inviting the Western Govt to come and take over, Never forget our Land has OIL.

The Oil is more or less a curse some will say. Don't forget that the Western world will have nothing to do with us, once our oil finishes anyway.

ikeyman00:
^^^^^

like i said becareful u dnt reason like a hopeless slowpoke

No point talking to you. Your post makes no sense.

Note to self
Never debate with a fool, people who read the debate, sometimes cannot tell who is who.

RichyBlacK:
My plan is simple:

Airlift all my family members out of the reach of the most useless government the world has ever known. I have zero confidence in Nigeria, zero!

Haaa.

On a serious note, are you willing to support a civil war if it will bring about revolution? You do not have to be at the front line, but at least you can provide your support in other ways. Financial maybe? [Careful how you answer my questions lol The Nigerian SSS may be watching you. You don't want them planting weed for your luggage at Murtala Airport o]

ikeyman00:
breakin uo?? wahala solved

breakin up, u right

then it will turn out like this

1st oduduwa will be kwara, ekiti ondo

2nd oduduwa will ibadan,osun etc

my friend be careful and dnt reason like a slowpoke

u know who u are

I will give you the benefit of doubt, and actually take you serious this time.

A break up into regional areas in my opinion will help make us more manageable. If only you see beyond your nose, the real reason behind various request for creation of states is due to our Nigeria is currently structured, how socio-economic developments are based on politics instead of actual needs, how a few communities feel cheated by the very government that is meant to look after them etc.

After a break up and possibly a war, the last thing people will want is state creation. Instead it will force them to unite as they really do not want another war again. If the new regional countries managed their affairs well and learnt from the mistakes of the past, no one in their right mind will come out asking for more states creation.

This war wont be a war for the sole of breaking up, it is a war meant to bring about revolution. Revolutions that will see old way that hasn't worked confined to history - e.g pointless creation of states - and new ways and ideas given a chance.