₦airaland Forum

abadaba: Noops, he included 30% of Delta state as Ndigbo.
My annoyance with him is the omission of Ndigbo in Rivers state. Now I have realised it was a deliberate act from him to ensure Yorubas are more than Ndigbo.

That analysis is way too generous for the ibos. Trust me.

If there would be variations, it would be a comparative increase in number of yorubas than ibos

abadaba: Dont mind the boy. Instead of him to admit he made a blunder by not including up to 4 million Igbo people in Rivers state, he is here making more bluders as he types.

Hmmmm, typical ibo, always chestbeating, more emotional than logical

I told you the census put the population of rivers at 5.1 million, and as usual to your type, you have allocated for yourself 4 million ibos (90%).

If Ibos are 4 million of the 5.1 million people in rivers, then you mean the main indigeneous people ogoni, kalabari, okrika,......, the yorubas, the Hausa-Fulanis, Edos, Ibibios,....and all other ethnic groups in Rivers are just 1.1 million . Does that make common sense to you ?

Rivers does not start and end in Port harcourt city.

abadaba: If Yorubas can constitute 50% of Lagos, there is no reason the Igbo cannot constitute 50% of Port Harcourt.

but the population of portharcourt was only 20% of rivers state population at the 2006 census

abadaba: Am not refering to Igbo people from the south east who are settlers in Rivers state. Am refering to the indigenous Igbo people of Rivers state as you mentioned Kogi and Kwara. The people include Asa Ndoki, Egbema, Etche, Obigbo etc in Rivers state. Do not pretend as if you do not know what I mean. Or do you want to tell me that the groups mentioned are Hausas. Be serious here boy.

Apart from the etche who are infinitesimal ibos, i am not aware the asa ndoki and egbemas are ibo people in rivers

I am generous to have placed ibos at 10% average population in 29 states,

abadaba: What a silly reply you have offered here. Why did you not include Igbo population of Rivers state in your post. Did I mention settlers. Igbo people are settled in Kano but I did not ask about that.
Second, there are no 80% Igbo people in the south east states. All the south east states has about 96 Igbo populations.
Just swallow ignorance and include Igbo population in Rivers state.

i have simply placed all other states where ibos are settlers at an average of 10%, except lagos.

Do you comprehend now?

abadaba: @Emiye, you included the yoruba population in Kogi and kwara yet you could not include about 4 million Igbo population in rivers state. Why?.

Yorubas in kwara are not settlers, they own the land. Yorubas in some part of kogi are also not settlers. Ibos in some part of delta are not settlers.

abadaba: So there are no Igbo in Rivers state. A state that has about 50% Igbo population is omited by you. Too bad.

You mean 50% igbo population in portharcourt city ? I doubt PH city even has up to 50% igbo population

Portharcourt city has like 1.3 million people out of the 5.1 million population of the whole of rivers state at the last census

ikenga67: You can pray from here until the second coming, and nothing will change. If you believe that North Korea is the basket case it is today because it is an atheist country, then you should be posting in the religion section.
"Governement is the people" is what they teach in elementary civic class. If that is the limit of your grasp of the subject then you should not be trying to teach anyone here.

He is a typical nigerian, always hiding under religion.

In a previous thread on census, this is what i posted as regards the yoruba and ibo population, although they are educated guestimates.

emiye: The stats in 1921 were largely estimates, and there was hardly one on one counting, at some places tax payment were used.

I think the population in descending order should be Hausa-Fulani, Yoruba, Igbo , Ibibio, others

Yourubas have 6 pure states and partly in Kwara and Kogi

In my own little observation/research in arriving at a guestimate in Lagos (yoruba's occupy at least 50% of the occupation) and at least 85% of the population in ogun, oyo, osun, ondo, ekiti. about 70% of the population in kwara and about 30% of the population in Kogi, Yorubas do not travel out of there zone much and are less lousy outside their region and will take an average of 5% of the remaining 28 states and FCT

Apart from Lagos which had clear issues with the census, all other states i will add 20% increase in population growth
Lagos state parallel census claimed to be 16.5 or 17.5 million in 2006, lets conservatively put it at 20 million

Lagos state in 2006 (16.5million) 2013 (20million)

At least 50% yorubas is 10 million in Lagos State.

Total population of SW states,excluding Lagos State in 2006 census (18.5million)at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (22.2million)

With roughly 85% yoruba population in SW states excluding Lagos state is 18.87 million

Kwara state in 2006 (2.371million) at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (2.845 million)
At least 70% yoruba population in Kwara is 2.00 million in Kwara state.

Kogi state in 2006 (3.259million) at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (3.91 million)
At least 30% yoruba population in Kogi is 1.18 million in Kogi state.

taking in to cognisance 20% growth in population to the 2006 census,popul in the remaining 28 states and FCT in 2013(128.234million)

at average of 5% yoruba population in the remaining 28 states and FCT in 2013(128.234million) is (6.42 million)

Total yoruba population is 10mil + 18.87mil + 2mil + 1.18mil + 6.42mil = 38.42 million


Ibos with estimated 80% population in SE states, 30% population in Delta, 20% in Lagos and average of 10% in other 29 states and FCT

Lagos state population in 2013 (20million)
At least 20% Igbos is 4 million in Lagos State

Total population of SE states in 2006 census (16.82million)at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (19.65million)

With roughly 80% Ibo population in SE states is 15.69 million

Delta state in 2006 (4.098million) at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (4.91 million)
At least 30% Igbo population in Delta is 1.47 million in Delta state.

taking in to cognisance 20% growth in population to the 2006 census,population in the remaining 29 states and FCT in 2013(132million)

at average of 10% igbo population in the remaining 29 states and FCT in 2013(132million) is (13.2 million)


Total Igbo population is 3.6mil + 15.69mil + 1.47mil +13.2 mil = 34.37 million



A yoruba population of 38.42 million as against Igbo population of 34.37 million.

The Hausa - Fulani population should be in the range of 40million +, other tribes make up over 30% of the rest of the population

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0lumide: I doubt you know the people that will count as Hausas during census. Remove Fulanis, Hausas are the biggest in Nigeria followed by Yorubas then Igbos..

If every chest beating will count as a citizen, then Igbos make 85% of world population..

Who are those that will count as Hausas during census?

How many states of the 19 northern states has majority Hausa population?

It is shocking, but my brother the hausas are not in the majority in Nigeria, dont be deceived by the wide spread usage of Hausa language in the north.

The Hausa (autonyms for singular: Bahaushe; plural Hausawa and general: Hausa/Haoussa; exonyms being Ausa, Mgbakpa, Kado, Al-Takari and Abakwariga) are one of the largest ethnic groups in West Africa. They live primarily in the Sahelian and Sudanian areas of northern Nigeria and southeastern Niger, with significant numbers also living in parts of Cameroon, Côte d'Ivoire, Chad, Togo, Ghana,[2] and Sudan. The Hausa are a minority in every country they reside in except Niger, where they constitute the majority. Predominantly Hausa communities are scattered throughout West Africa and on the traditional Hajj route across the Sahara Desert, especially around the town of Agadez. A few Hausa have also moved to large coastal cities in the region such as Lagos and Cotonou, as well as to parts of North Africa such as Libya. Most Hausa, however, live in small villages or towns in West Africa, where they grow crops, raise livestock including cattle and engage in trade. They speak the Hausa language, an Afro-Asiatic language of the Chadic group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people

In Nigeria, the Fulani are often categorized with the Hausa as a conglomerated ethnic group Hausa-Fulani. Following the Fulani War, their histories in the region have been largely intertwined. Outside Nigeria, the two groups are usually considered distinct and are different as a matter of fact.

The Fulani were the first group of people in West Africa to convert to Islam through jihads, or holy wars, and were able to take over much of the Sahel region of West Africa and establish themselves not only as a religious group but also as a political and economical force.

In the 9th century they may have been involved in the formation of a state with its capital at Takrur which is suggested to have had influx of Fulani migrating from the east and settling in the Senegal valley[5][6] although John Donnelly Fage suggests that Takrur was formed through the interaction of Berbers from the Sahara and "Negro agricultural peoples" who were "essentially Serer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_people

0lumide: Igbos beating their hairy chests again lmao!!!!!

Hausas are way more than Igbos - Fact !!!

Yorubas are way more than Igbos - Fact

Igbos are way more than Fulanis - Fact

But Igbos more than Hausas or Yorubas? buahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha...

You know what? let it come on.

But then, Igbos in Lagos will only count as Igbos population. but I will prefer to shut these tribal nut jobs up once and for all by allowing Igbos in Lagos to count as "Igbo Lagosians"...


Hausas have the biggest number in Nigeria and I don't think anyone can dispute that with chest beatings..

But the south is way more than the North no ffucking doubt!! but Hausas dominate the North while Yorubas dominate the south by a lesser percentage. These demographies may have changed but Idoubt it has by more than 2%

By Hausa, you mean Hausa-Fulani ?

They are sometimes usually merged as one. Buhari for example is not a Hausa man but a Fulani man.

Hausa population alone is not more than the yoruba or igbo population. I am sure of that

theoctopus: If you really want to talk about cause, then you wouldnt have mentioned corruption at all. Nigeria is not a nation to start with so you cannot expect anyone to have a deep commitment to her. We have no true sense of nationhood. It has been divide and conquer from day one. Even in 2013, a group of people are still saying power must return to them and someone is still deporting people to their states. That is what you call cause.

I don't understand your post? Where have i mentioned corruption in my earlier posts ?

You seem to be talking from both sides of your mouth.

In fixing the cause of our problems in Nigeria, i expect to hear something like (a) devolution of powers, there is so much power at the centre, and it is dangerously attractive, how about proposing solutions that will make power at the centre less attractive. I mentioned earlier the issue of concurrent list and exclusive lists.
(b) stronger legal and regulatory frameworks for key sectors e.t.c .......

4 Play: @wirinet

It's not lack of entrepreneurship. Nigerians love money and if there are business opportunities, would happily grab it.

The reality is that the environment - rule of law, infrastructure and human capital - doesn't allow for the existence of businesses on such a scale that will allow for huge reductions in unemployment.

Thank you !

But, that doesn't look like a 55ft long hair.

55ft is like 14 metres. And what i see looks way shorter than a 14metres long hair

wirinet: I am surprised you do not see the relationship between jeeps and unemployment. If Nigerian rich men spend less on jeep and other luxury items and and set up small scale industries, the direct and indirect jobs by thousands of such industries would greatly reduce unemployment levels.

Now imagine the number of jobs created in the exporting country by that N5 - N10million jeep tens of thousands of nigerians are driving.

As the poster said, we should change our mindset from consumption to production.

It is a cheap analogy, there are many jeep owners who owns production companies.

Leave those driving jeeps, they are of less concern, many of them are working productively to earn the pay to buy the jeeps, not everyone can be an entrepreneur.

theoctopus: You think I am disparaging fellow Africans because you have a victim mindset. Do you know that all the things we complain about in Nigeria are actually big big opportunities? It depends on how your mind works.

There is no stable power - Big opportunity
There is no pipe borne water - Another big opportunity
We import rice - Massive opportunity
We have a bad educational system - Massive opportunity
There are no jobs - Massive opportunity

I could go on and on. It all depends on how you see things. Unfortunately, Nigerians only see it the wrong and defeatist way. I was amazed when I learnt that Chi Ltd, have been cultivating massive farms here in Nigeria for their juice products while Nigerians go outside to import concentrates. If you ask the Nigerian why he is importing concentrates, he will tell you it is because of poor power supply or one other fake excuse. Then they will tell you that in America, it is very easy. They forget that Time Warner once declared bankruptcy but today see where CNN has reached.

How many times do you pick up a stone in the middle of the road so cars coming would not have their tires harmed? How many times have you ever helped a kid to cross the road? How many times have you lot come together in your small estate or community to do something like buy a basket ball net for the kids to play with. A great society does not come from government. It comes from a visionary culture. The government is part of the society. Those in power are relatives to many who rant here on NL. Most of the poor and illiterate masses dont even know about NL. The government is not from the moon. It is from us.

You are muddling up issues, have you heard about "root cause analysis" ?

It is the problem with many people, including our leaders, we solve the effects of a problem and leave the cause.

You are giving beautiful examples on how to treat the effect and you leave the cause.

While going out in the morning, you forgot to lock the tap in your house, only to come back in the evening to see flooded apartment. Going by your logic, you will get busy and start mopping the water up. But dont you think the first step is to lock the tap you opened , the source of the water in the apartment?

The cause is always more important than the effect

theoctopus: I knew you were going to respond like this because you have already imbibed a mindset that government is the be all and end all of development. One thing though you have never considered is that the great nations of the world today were not built by government but by visionary men. All the discovery of science today were done by visionary men. In fact, many centuries ago, many of these visionary men were hunted by the government and either imprisoned or killed because the government thought they were witches and sorcerers.

The rail revolution in America was started and driven by visionary private individuals. what the government contributed in many instances were lands, permits, and security. That is not to say government is not important. But the "government is everything" mindset is a lazy thought pattern. It is the mindset of small minded and selfish societies. Look at it from another perspective. How many Nigerians really dream? You will see a European or American wake up one day and say he wants to go climb the highest mountain or cross an impossible river. Some will decide to go and live in the forest for years just to discover something and make history. Have you ever watched the making of some documentaries in Nat Geo wild? Do you know how many explorers and scientists have died trying to do some scientific research. Some even died from hunger and sickness while at it.

Africa is what it is, not because of bad government, but because there are no dreamers. Only self centered humans who think life is all about making money, drinking beer and marrying new wives. Were there is no vision, the people perish.

I will only address your last paragraph.

You are disparaging fellow africans, but have you asked yourself why many seemingly unproductive Nigerians leave the shores of Nigeria and becomes shining light ?

double post

wirinet: And let me add, every private jet bought by our rich men can build a large scale industry.

This your sentence should be etched in gold.

It is a pity we have millions of unemployed graduates idling away when N5million can start a candle making or palm oil/palm kernel oil or other industries. But an average nigerian would prefer to buy a jeep which will become worthless in less than 10 years in order to show off.

You care to explain the relationship between the millions of unemployed graduate and the men buying jeeps?

Can a typical unemployed graduate buy jeep?

PapaBrowne: We must give up this mindset of Government is not encouraging. While I totally agree that government has its issues, you ask yourself how the Government wants to make all these requests usually listed possible when they have a budget of $27bn for 170 million people. They have to listen to ASUU. They have to work of Primary healthcare. They have pay salaries which I think constitute a whopping 60+%. Then the worse of all, they have to subsidize fuel for rich people who own 5 cars because poor people would shut the country down if the subsidies stop.

The question about lending: Why are the banks not lending? The banks are a part of we the people. They are not government entities. Trust me, they lend a lot of money to importers but not to manufacturers. This is what I mean by cultural reorientation. The bankers have a cultural orientation that is predicated on consumption. So they find it more palatable to lend to an importer than to lend to a producer.

Dangote is a Nigerian industrialist and his wealth has risen astronomically on the back of Nigerian production. He has done so in this same country where many say because of power you cannot produce.
Many small scale entreprises are making tonnes money on the back of Nigerian production. But the sad reality is that too many people who should be starting companies are buying jeeps, building filling stations and flipping real estate in our urban centres. This has nothing to do with a lack of an enabling environment but everything to do with a culture of consumption.

As i have said earlier, the Govt has the magic bullet.

Have you gone through the items on the concurrent list and exclusive list? What is your assessment of that

Govt is the arbiter, it will be measured on the strength of its regulation. Who should regulate the peoples lender (bank)? Have you seen CBN micro-finance regulatory framework?, please get a copy online.

You talk about people buying jeep, have you cared to find out if they have the capacity to be entrepreneurs? Not everybody can be an entrepreneur, but the willing ones should be encouraged.

Many nigerian production companies can not compete with cheap substitutes imported in to the country.

If i spend n1,500 to produce in naija, and someone can import that same product of similar standard for n1,000. my company will no sooner stop been a growing concern. i believe stable power supply in naija will drive down cost of production, other factors like easy access to credit facility, stable economic policies e.t.c will also contribute to the growth of production in nigeria

theoctopus: You are 100 times wrong. Some of you are just arm chair duds. Even with unstable power supply, most major manufacturers in Nigeria are posting huge profits year in year out. MTN broke even in the first one year of business. That can never happen anywhere else in the world. The reason why we dont produce in Nigeria is not because of bad infrastructure but terrible and selfish mindset. It takes a visionary and loyal mindset to build a nation. Dangote has continued to show that over the years. The man is an example of a true patriotic man, driven by passion for transformation of society. Isnt it funny that most of the manufacturing companies in Nigeria that are doing well are owned and run by foreigners? Even with all the stolen monies, Nigerians will still not commit to transforming their society because they are just selfish and self centered

Small and medium scale enterprises should be driver of an economy, not those major manufacturers.
i have not blamed all on power failure, what about the credit and financial systems ?


Most Nigerian commercial banks will not lend money to those who truly need it, how many small scale entrepreneurs have access to credit facility to build their business?

What is the strength of govt regulation to prevent rip off by likes of MTN?

Dangote with govt backing has been given series of loans by banks and has enjoyed all sort of privileges.

Maybe PDP should change its Logo to this.

In the name of rebranding.

solomon111: shut up and stop derailing the topic,you fake progressive.
May God expose all of you one by one.

Stop getting unnecessarily emotional, and calling God's name in vain.

I am calling out that Karl max guy, the karl max i read in history was a great philosopher and logical thinker, if he will adopt karl max name on nairaland, then he must operate like him.

Or is Karl max= solomon111 ?

theozobby: There is something about that photo, it looks photo-shopped to me

karl max: so u also know that the apc cook up figures and lie too .abeg make we hear word hypocrite, because. It involves a progressive theif is now a lie.. if really he is a true progressive why is his son not wedding in nassarawa!!since u lot claim the opposition states are heaven and has transformed than any other state.a progressive spending 1.5 billion for sons wedding in far away yankee. Just like u people claim fashola has restored the lagos state health sector with modern and world class equipments.but his master Tinubu is abroad receiving treatment.

Pull out those lies by APC and challenge it logically using common sense and conscience.

I will like to know those lies by the APC

PapaBrowne: But Nollywood didn't wait for Government to provide stable power. They did what they had to do and took the industry across Africa and almost global.

Dbanj and Psquare didn't wait for Government to provide proper distribution channels. They took their product to the rest of the world.

Redeemed Church, Christ Embassy et al didn't wait for government encouragement. They did what they had to do. They had a global mindset.

Productivity is not measured only in manufacturing. There are loads of ways to be productive without adequate power supply.

The cultural mindset is key. If Nigerians would think first of what companies they would start before they think of where to buy land and buy moto, our gross productivity would skyrocket.

Now look at the picture below. It is a complete line for making Chocolate out of Cocoa.
Nigeria is the fourth largest producer of Cocoa.

[img]http://www.machines.net.in/MACHINES%20IMAGES/Candy%20Production%20Line%20Series/Chocolate%20Production%20Line.jpg[/img]

The cost of that machine is N40m or thereabout. That is less than half the cost of any standing duplex in lekki.But you know what, Nigerians would rather buy property in Lekki. People say ha, how about power supply. Well there are generating plants. Afterall there are factories producing effectively in the country despite the power situation.

We need a cultural reorientation. One that is more attuned to entrepreneurship as a business model rather than one attuned to rent seeking and contract sourcing.

While i am not disputing the need for cultural orientation by the people, i opine that the magic bullet is in the hands of the government.

Even your conscience must tell you this.

Business men in nigeria are not stupid, they are sniffing around for investment in Nigeria that will yield maximum ROI.

For now production cost is relatively high due to inavailability of stable power supply and many other policy somersaults.

A decrease in production cost of a Made in Nigeria product will likely also translate to decrease in substitutes import.

karl max: just like how ur apc cook up figures and lies against the ruling party. Now ur questioning the figure cos its not a pdp governor.... Another progressive logic

Oh !,good. So you know it is a cook up figure and lie.

Then don't propagate lies if you know it is not true.

karl max: ...if the report was about a pdp governor it becomes ok but when is about a apc governor its a campaign of columny.i guess that's the new logic of the progressive. Nigerians are wiser

I always believe everybody has commonsense and conscience, they might only deactivate it.

Common sense should tell you, how did the opposition arrive at such figures?

Conscience should tell you why am i propagating lies simply to discredit the opposition?

campaign of calumny

PDP, you no dey tire !

I reckon that for us to conduct a reliable census, we should not spend more than 2 days.

A 2 day dusk -dawn curfew with say 1 million enumerators will help achieve that.

But to allow free movement of people and census process stretch for weeks creates discrepancies and not cost effective.

PapaBrowne: I like this infomation because it exposes to us how poor we are as a nation and explains why we don't have the kind of infrastructure you see in other countries. Some people want us to be like UAE or USA or UK overnight without realizing that we are not as productive as these countries.

And for those who think that this poverty is a failure of Government alone should ask themselves what they've done in their own capacity to grow this country.


Look at the collective revenue of the top 10 companies(Sales) in Switzerland and you'll understand better the meaning of productivity. These companies would be taxed by their governments and in turn would contribute to their budgets which would then reflect in things like infrastructure, social services etc.

Switzerland top 5 Revenues
Vitol9Commodities): $303 Billion
Glencore(Commodities): $217 Billion
Trifigura(Commodities):$122 Billion
Nestle(Food): $100 Billion
Zurich IG(Finance): $70 Billion
Novartis(Pharma): $57 Billion
Roche(Pharma): $50 Billion
UBS(Finance): $48 Billion
CreditSuisse(Finance): $42 Billion
ABB(Power): $40 Billion

Each an everyone of these companies bring more money to their countries than all the oil that Nigeria produces. To think that the population of Switzerland is just 8 million.

The logic is simple. Only a productive nation can have big budgets to spend on infrastructure and social services. And the private sector is the harbinger of productivity. The Governments only responsibility is to create an enabling environment. When as a nation we start choosing production over consumption, then we would begin to see changes. We have a funny culture that see our capital being allocated to over priced real estate and cars. Every jeep you see roaming our streets could have started a small factory. Every property sold in Lagos could have started medium sized factory. Our cultures must change for us to see better budgets and in turn better infrastructure.

But the government has failed to create the enabling environment.

Why is the Government at the centre so fixated on holding to so much power at the centre ?

Where is the stable power supply that will bring down cost of production of industries?

How can we talking about industrialisation when our steel industry is in comatose ?

What happened to the Ajaokuta steel mill?

kobenol: What a shame...I beg you for God's sake read healthy comments above before making yours.

You either havent seen the bridge or have no idea what a unit the METRE is.
In each case I don't think you are qualified to make such pronouncement.
You will do yourself a great favour to read up meaningful comments up front.
ps. I didnt yet do a tape measure but the bridge is over 300metres (abutment to abutment)

Don't mind those bitter nincompoops and nay sayers ,they have not seen the bridge, i understand their fears.

The bridge is over 600 metres, the length is in public space