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History of Ibadan

According to the literature, creation of Ibadan was circumstantial. The history of Ibadan had long been preserved through oral history but written record says it was formed in 1829. After the collapse of the Yoruba Empire towards the end of the 18th century, ‘Eba Odan’ had been populated by Yoruba rebels. ‘Eba Odan’ means between the forests and the plains and it was surrounded by seven hills, it functioned as a sacred area for the fighters that fled the war. Before the existence of Ibadan, Oyo, a very powerful empire, was long established and govern larger part of Yoruba land, many fierce independent warriors emerged from Oyo such as Bashorun Gaa.

Bashorun Gaa was the head of the Oyo Mesi, He was a monster in the kingdom. While on the throne as prime minister between 1750 and 1774, Bashorun Gaa was a classical tyrant ruler. He instrumental the killing of four kings or forced them to commit suicide (Faleti,1972). Alaafin Labisi 1750 after 17 days on the throne; Alaafin Awonbioju 1750 after 130 days on the throne; Alaafin Agboluaye 1750-1772 (Agboluaje submitted to Bashorun Gaa’s dictation but was later forced to commit suicide under the command of Bashorun Gaa) and also executed Alaafin Majeogbe 1772-1773. He also instructed the murder of the daughter of Alaafin Abiodun and later used the victim for money ritual. Bashorun Gaa, unconstitutionally hijacked all the political power and machinery of Oyo kingdom.

The elimination of Bashorun Gaa was a difficult task. It cost the old Oyo kingdom lots of both human and natural resources. Alaafin Abiodun and Oyo warriors in
collaboration with Aare-Ona-Kaka-N-fo Oyalabi, arrested Gaa. He was tied to a stake at Akesan market and Alaafin Abiodun ordered that every citizen should cut a pound of flesh from his body and drop it in a huge fire in front of him. He was made to smell the odour of his own flesh, his nose was not allowed to be cut. The remains of his body were later burnt in fire to prevent his re-incarnation. His embarrassing death led to the popular Yoruba saying that “Bi o ba la’ya O si’ka; bi’o ba ri’ku Gaa, O sooto” which means (if you are wicked and pigheaded when you see the death of Gaa, try to be good and speak the truth)

Before 1829 Lagelu, the Jagun (commander-in-chief) of Ife and Yoruba's generalissimo, left Ile Ife with some people from Ife, Oyo and Ijebu to found a new city, at Eba Odan, the first city was destroyed due to an incident at an Egungun (masquerade) festival when an Egungun was accidentally disrobed and mocked by women and children in an open marketplace. Meanwhile, In Yorubaland, it was an abomination for women to have eye-to-eye contact with Egungun, Egungun was considered to be the dead forefathers who returned to the earth each year to bless their descendant. When this news reached Sango, the then Alaafin of Oyo, he commanded that Eba-Odan be destroyed for committing such abominable act.

Lagelu and some of his people fled to a nearby hill for protection (sacred place). On the hill they survived by eating Oro fruit and Igbin (snails); later, they cultivated the land and made corn and millets into pap meals (eko), which they ate with roasted snails. They improvised a bit by using the snail shells (Ikarahun Igbin) to drink the liquefied eko. This eating habit formed part of the ancestral praise (Oriki) of Ibadan people today. Later, Lagelu and his people came down from the hill and founded another city called Eba'dan on the same spot.

They began to welcome more people to expand. Eba’dan became a refugee center. Various people, such as warriors, war escapee, escaped slaves, people in exile etc from various parts of other Yoruba cities. They developed more flexible laws because of the diverse nature of the people. Ibadan grew into an impressive and sprawling urban centre so much that by the end of 1829, Ibadan dominated the Yorùbá region militarily, politically and economically. Shortly, Lagelu died, leaving behind a politically oriented people and a very stable community.
Around 1826/27, Afọnja of Ilorin, who was the Arẹ-Ọna-Kankan-Fo of old Ọyọ Empire, refused to carry out the order of Alaafin, when told to wage war against Iwere-Ile, a Yoruba town in modern day (Kwara).

An unresolved rivalry brewed between Alaafin and Afọnja. Afọnja formed alliance with Alimi, the head of Fulani warriors (who are settlers in Ilorin) against Ọyọ, and Oyo kingdom was destroyed. Unfortunately, Fulani supporters turned against Afonja as well and killed him on the order of Alimi. Ilọrin also lost its independence and became Fulani controlled territory. Therefore, whenever Yoruba says Ilorin is afonja’s city, Fulani will say ‘’it is Alimi’s city. This led to the present saying of ‘Ilorin afonja-Geri alimi’. In 1840, Fulani Caliphate began to raid towards Ibadan, Oyo indigenes begin to retreats towards Ibadan, a well developed Ibadan army confronted them and pushed Fulani back to Ilorin. Few people later moved back to Oyo to form new Oyo Kingdom, but a weaker one, and many decided to stay in Ibadan.

Ibadan kept growing economically and politically and become a safer zone for all Yoruba people. During this booming era of Ibadan, one of the powerful business woman was Efunsetan Aniwura, an Egba descendant (who became Iyalode of Ibadan). Efunsetan Aniwura (owner of Gold) was a wealthy business woman at Oja-Oba in Ibadan, she owns lots of landed property and hundreds of slaves. Oral evidence reveals that she had three large farms with no less than 100 slaves working on each at a time. She extended credit facilities as form of ammunition to the various Ibadan warriors (Ajagun’ta) when they were going on their military expeditions in 1872.

She had a terrible sense of loss. Her only daughter died in 1860 during childbirth. Therefore, with the stigma of not having a progeny to inherit her legacies, she blamed God for her tragedy and vent anger on her slave and the society, becoming wicked, cruel and heartless. Her slaves are usually identified in the market with signs of cane stripes all over their body. Efunsetan kicked against the military expansion of Aare Latoosa and stopped extending credit facilities to Latoosa when Latoosa set out for another war in 1874 (Osewa, 2005; Ilesanmi, 2010). After returning from battle field, Latoosa levied three charges against Efunsetan which led to plot of death against her around 1874.

In 1893 Ibadan area became a British Protectorate after a treaty signed by Fijabi, the Baale of Ibadan with the British acting Governor of Lagos, George C. Denton on 15 August. By then the population of Ibadan had grown to round 120,000 which made Ibadan the third most populated City in the whole of Africa after Cairo and Johannesburg. The British developed the new colony to facilitate Ibadan commercial activities and Ibadan shortly grew into the major trading center that it is today

Long live Ibadan…Long live Yoruba...

By: Raymond Ayinla Ajeigbe

[quote author=St.Capital]I am suspecting that a deal is going on between PETER OBI/APGA EXECUTHIEVES and PDP/PRESIDENCY because I believe SOLUDO is one of the best candidates for ANAMBRA GOVERNMENT HOUSE.PETER OBI/APGA EXECUTHIEVES are right now planning for APGA's DEATH and BURIAL at the same time after NOVEMBER 16th election in ANAMBRA STATE,after analysing all the write up i have read about the NOVEMBER 16TH ELECTION IN ANAMBRA,I believe that PETER OBI and APGA EXECUTHIEVES have been promised PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTMENTS to disqualify SOLUDO from being part of this election through APGA the ruling party in the state.PETER OBI wants to be relevant after office and i believe PRESIDENT JONATHAN will make him a MINISTER or any other post after serving as a governor,his future in politics after office is more important to him than APGA ruling ANAMBRA.I dont know why PETER OBI wants to field candidates that cannot win election where DR.NGIGE and DR.ANDY UBA are contesting with popular political parties.

If PETER OBI did not field SOLUDO,APGA is DEAD in SOUTH EAST.

I weep for APGA GOVERNORS.[/quote]Do not weep for APGA governors, there is none left

theoctopus: Did I say anywhere that you have to be religious to be rich? I am only responding to your insinuations that religion itself is bad. The principles of wealth and money making have nothing to do with religion. The bible clearly says God allows the sun to shine on the good and the wicked. If you follow certain natural laws, you will make money.

Your wealth and religion study above is crap. It is one of those propaganda being spread by those who want to disprove God. The Arab nations are amongst the wealthiest in the world and they are religious nations. Religion has its good and bad. America is a religious nation. They have been a great religious nation for 200 years. The UK is a religious nation. They are founded on the Anglican communion.

Back to the topic, the point is, you have to leave out these your postulations because they are full of holes. Man by default is a religious being and man by default is a wicked being. The bible clearly says that the heart of man is deceitful and above all things, desperately wicked.

Africa needs good men who can dream and commit to their dream. If Nelson Mandela had spent all his life complaining about the government of the day, what will South Africa be like today? If Gandhi and Mother Teressa spent their lives complaining about bad government, what will India be like today? We need visionary men, not good government. The rise of visionary and dream driven men will force the hand of government and command the followership of the masses. But unfortunately, what we see out there right now are wolves trying to pretend they are sheep but they aint fooling anyone

As regards to the emboldened statement above, you are re-iterating my point, as this applies to individuals and nations. That is why i called you out not to hide under religion in this debate.

I have absolute no problem with religion (true worship), but have a whole lot of problem with religious hypocrisy.

0nlytruth: We don't really know that for sure going by his recent antecedents.
Ngige is looking more and more selfish to decerning folks. Having said that, I may be inclined to still support him ahead of any PDP candidate. Nothing is permanent in politics except interests. My fear is that Ngige may mortgage Anambra coffers to APC and Tinubu, thereby having very little money to invest in the state, BUT my fear of PDP is that they may also sell Igbo future entirely.
The Soludo affair is making me have a rethink of supporting anything remotely related to PDP.

he didnt mortgage anambra coffers to UBA, a fellow Igbo man, it is now Tinubu, he will mortgaged anambra coffers too abi?

lekanolas: * Party’ll split, come back to PDP

The Deputy Senate President, Senator Ike Ekweremadu has predicted that the newly registered All Progressives Congress, APC will soon disintegrate and its members struggle to join the ruling Peoples Democratic Party, PDP.

Ekweremadu stated that despite the fanfare that heralded the registration of APC as a political party, the PDP has never for one day lost sleep over its entrance into the political firmament, stating instead that the PDP was happy because it makes the issue of contending with multiple opposition political parties simpler for PDP to handle.

The Deputy Senate President spoke yesterday on the sidelines during the signing of a memorandum of understanding between the National Institute for Legislative Studies and the University of Benin at the National Assembly on how to offer post graduate diploma and masters degree programmes in Legislative Studies, Parliamentary administration and legislative Drafting.

He said: “We are not worried about the APC, for us that makes the game more interesting. Before, we used to contend with several parties and now we have just only one party to contend with and it makes the matter much easier for us.

“You know in Nigerian politics, gang-up never works. So, they will split and they will still come back to us in the PDP and we will welcome them.”

http://nationalmirroronline.net/new/apc-is-a-gang-up-says-ekweremadu/

That is a lie, you are now scared.

Dicta18: Is the Anambra really cursed? More than 80% of APGA people want Soludo. Majority of Anambra want him to lift the State up. Who is afraid of Soludo? Is it true that ogas at the top directed that Soludo must be stopped at all cost because of 2015? Why can't Igbos be allowed to put their first eleven forward? Is APGA now part of PDP? Or has it been sold to PDP? Is it still an Igbo party? Igbo youths are angry. Join us to save APGA now! Let justice be done .

I have always believed the current APGA is a subsidiary of the PDP group.
APGA primaries will hold in 3 days time, and it will be acted according to the script by PDP.

theoctopus: Man is a religious being by default. You cannot separate man and religion. Atheism is actually the worship of self. Some of you have got things confused but think you are somewhat knowledgeable. Its called spiritual blindness. lol. The world has one billion catholics, over 2 billion hindus and budhists, over 1 billion muslims and another about 1 billion pentecostal christians and then pagans. You atheists are in the minute minority and contribute very little to the world apart from propaganda and criticisms. lol

How did you conclude from my post that i am an atheist ?

My friend, i am a christian, but i know and understand religious hypocrisy of many Christians and muslims alike in nigeria.


Bill Gates , who is an agnostic is the richest man in the world.

What i can infer is that there are certain principles that must be followed if you will be wealthy, God in his infinite mercy sanctions it, whether you worship him or not.

Wealth and atheism

Atheism and agnosticism are labels used to describe people who have an active disbelief that god(s) exists, do not know whether a god(s) exists, or believe it is impossible to prove whether God(s) exists. The term "non-religious" is used for those who have no religious affiliation.

Some studies have found correlations between wealth and lack of religious beliefs. The GDP of countries generally correlates negatively with their religiosity, i.e. the less religious a population is the wealthier it is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_and_religion

abadaba: Noops, he included 30% of Delta state as Ndigbo.
My annoyance with him is the omission of Ndigbo in Rivers state. Now I have realised it was a deliberate act from him to ensure Yorubas are more than Ndigbo.

That analysis is way too generous for the ibos. Trust me.

If there would be variations, it would be a comparative increase in number of yorubas than ibos

abadaba: Dont mind the boy. Instead of him to admit he made a blunder by not including up to 4 million Igbo people in Rivers state, he is here making more bluders as he types.

Hmmmm, typical ibo, always chestbeating, more emotional than logical

I told you the census put the population of rivers at 5.1 million, and as usual to your type, you have allocated for yourself 4 million ibos (90%).

If Ibos are 4 million of the 5.1 million people in rivers, then you mean the main indigeneous people ogoni, kalabari, okrika,......, the yorubas, the Hausa-Fulanis, Edos, Ibibios,....and all other ethnic groups in Rivers are just 1.1 million . Does that make common sense to you ?

Rivers does not start and end in Port harcourt city.

abadaba: If Yorubas can constitute 50% of Lagos, there is no reason the Igbo cannot constitute 50% of Port Harcourt.

but the population of portharcourt was only 20% of rivers state population at the 2006 census

abadaba: Am not refering to Igbo people from the south east who are settlers in Rivers state. Am refering to the indigenous Igbo people of Rivers state as you mentioned Kogi and Kwara. The people include Asa Ndoki, Egbema, Etche, Obigbo etc in Rivers state. Do not pretend as if you do not know what I mean. Or do you want to tell me that the groups mentioned are Hausas. Be serious here boy.

Apart from the etche who are infinitesimal ibos, i am not aware the asa ndoki and egbemas are ibo people in rivers

I am generous to have placed ibos at 10% average population in 29 states,

abadaba: What a silly reply you have offered here. Why did you not include Igbo population of Rivers state in your post. Did I mention settlers. Igbo people are settled in Kano but I did not ask about that.
Second, there are no 80% Igbo people in the south east states. All the south east states has about 96 Igbo populations.
Just swallow ignorance and include Igbo population in Rivers state.

i have simply placed all other states where ibos are settlers at an average of 10%, except lagos.

Do you comprehend now?

abadaba: @Emiye, you included the yoruba population in Kogi and kwara yet you could not include about 4 million Igbo population in rivers state. Why?.

Yorubas in kwara are not settlers, they own the land. Yorubas in some part of kogi are also not settlers. Ibos in some part of delta are not settlers.

abadaba: So there are no Igbo in Rivers state. A state that has about 50% Igbo population is omited by you. Too bad.

You mean 50% igbo population in portharcourt city ? I doubt PH city even has up to 50% igbo population

Portharcourt city has like 1.3 million people out of the 5.1 million population of the whole of rivers state at the last census

ikenga67: You can pray from here until the second coming, and nothing will change. If you believe that North Korea is the basket case it is today because it is an atheist country, then you should be posting in the religion section.
"Governement is the people" is what they teach in elementary civic class. If that is the limit of your grasp of the subject then you should not be trying to teach anyone here.

He is a typical nigerian, always hiding under religion.

In a previous thread on census, this is what i posted as regards the yoruba and ibo population, although they are educated guestimates.

emiye: The stats in 1921 were largely estimates, and there was hardly one on one counting, at some places tax payment were used.

I think the population in descending order should be Hausa-Fulani, Yoruba, Igbo , Ibibio, others

Yourubas have 6 pure states and partly in Kwara and Kogi

In my own little observation/research in arriving at a guestimate in Lagos (yoruba's occupy at least 50% of the occupation) and at least 85% of the population in ogun, oyo, osun, ondo, ekiti. about 70% of the population in kwara and about 30% of the population in Kogi, Yorubas do not travel out of there zone much and are less lousy outside their region and will take an average of 5% of the remaining 28 states and FCT

Apart from Lagos which had clear issues with the census, all other states i will add 20% increase in population growth
Lagos state parallel census claimed to be 16.5 or 17.5 million in 2006, lets conservatively put it at 20 million

Lagos state in 2006 (16.5million) 2013 (20million)

At least 50% yorubas is 10 million in Lagos State.

Total population of SW states,excluding Lagos State in 2006 census (18.5million)at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (22.2million)

With roughly 85% yoruba population in SW states excluding Lagos state is 18.87 million

Kwara state in 2006 (2.371million) at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (2.845 million)
At least 70% yoruba population in Kwara is 2.00 million in Kwara state.

Kogi state in 2006 (3.259million) at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (3.91 million)
At least 30% yoruba population in Kogi is 1.18 million in Kogi state.

taking in to cognisance 20% growth in population to the 2006 census,popul in the remaining 28 states and FCT in 2013(128.234million)

at average of 5% yoruba population in the remaining 28 states and FCT in 2013(128.234million) is (6.42 million)

Total yoruba population is 10mil + 18.87mil + 2mil + 1.18mil + 6.42mil = 38.42 million


Ibos with estimated 80% population in SE states, 30% population in Delta, 20% in Lagos and average of 10% in other 29 states and FCT

Lagos state population in 2013 (20million)
At least 20% Igbos is 4 million in Lagos State

Total population of SE states in 2006 census (16.82million)at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (19.65million)

With roughly 80% Ibo population in SE states is 15.69 million

Delta state in 2006 (4.098million) at 20% increase in growth by 2013 (4.91 million)
At least 30% Igbo population in Delta is 1.47 million in Delta state.

taking in to cognisance 20% growth in population to the 2006 census,population in the remaining 29 states and FCT in 2013(132million)

at average of 10% igbo population in the remaining 29 states and FCT in 2013(132million) is (13.2 million)


Total Igbo population is 3.6mil + 15.69mil + 1.47mil +13.2 mil = 34.37 million



A yoruba population of 38.42 million as against Igbo population of 34.37 million.

The Hausa - Fulani population should be in the range of 40million +, other tribes make up over 30% of the rest of the population

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0lumide: I doubt you know the people that will count as Hausas during census. Remove Fulanis, Hausas are the biggest in Nigeria followed by Yorubas then Igbos..

If every chest beating will count as a citizen, then Igbos make 85% of world population..

Who are those that will count as Hausas during census?

How many states of the 19 northern states has majority Hausa population?

It is shocking, but my brother the hausas are not in the majority in Nigeria, dont be deceived by the wide spread usage of Hausa language in the north.

The Hausa (autonyms for singular: Bahaushe; plural Hausawa and general: Hausa/Haoussa; exonyms being Ausa, Mgbakpa, Kado, Al-Takari and Abakwariga) are one of the largest ethnic groups in West Africa. They live primarily in the Sahelian and Sudanian areas of northern Nigeria and southeastern Niger, with significant numbers also living in parts of Cameroon, Côte d'Ivoire, Chad, Togo, Ghana,[2] and Sudan. The Hausa are a minority in every country they reside in except Niger, where they constitute the majority. Predominantly Hausa communities are scattered throughout West Africa and on the traditional Hajj route across the Sahara Desert, especially around the town of Agadez. A few Hausa have also moved to large coastal cities in the region such as Lagos and Cotonou, as well as to parts of North Africa such as Libya. Most Hausa, however, live in small villages or towns in West Africa, where they grow crops, raise livestock including cattle and engage in trade. They speak the Hausa language, an Afro-Asiatic language of the Chadic group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people

In Nigeria, the Fulani are often categorized with the Hausa as a conglomerated ethnic group Hausa-Fulani. Following the Fulani War, their histories in the region have been largely intertwined. Outside Nigeria, the two groups are usually considered distinct and are different as a matter of fact.

The Fulani were the first group of people in West Africa to convert to Islam through jihads, or holy wars, and were able to take over much of the Sahel region of West Africa and establish themselves not only as a religious group but also as a political and economical force.

In the 9th century they may have been involved in the formation of a state with its capital at Takrur which is suggested to have had influx of Fulani migrating from the east and settling in the Senegal valley[5][6] although John Donnelly Fage suggests that Takrur was formed through the interaction of Berbers from the Sahara and "Negro agricultural peoples" who were "essentially Serer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_people

0lumide: Igbos beating their hairy chests again lmao!!!!!

Hausas are way more than Igbos - Fact !!!

Yorubas are way more than Igbos - Fact

Igbos are way more than Fulanis - Fact

But Igbos more than Hausas or Yorubas? buahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha...

You know what? let it come on.

But then, Igbos in Lagos will only count as Igbos population. but I will prefer to shut these tribal nut jobs up once and for all by allowing Igbos in Lagos to count as "Igbo Lagosians"...


Hausas have the biggest number in Nigeria and I don't think anyone can dispute that with chest beatings..

But the south is way more than the North no ffucking doubt!! but Hausas dominate the North while Yorubas dominate the south by a lesser percentage. These demographies may have changed but Idoubt it has by more than 2%

By Hausa, you mean Hausa-Fulani ?

They are sometimes usually merged as one. Buhari for example is not a Hausa man but a Fulani man.

Hausa population alone is not more than the yoruba or igbo population. I am sure of that

theoctopus: If you really want to talk about cause, then you wouldnt have mentioned corruption at all. Nigeria is not a nation to start with so you cannot expect anyone to have a deep commitment to her. We have no true sense of nationhood. It has been divide and conquer from day one. Even in 2013, a group of people are still saying power must return to them and someone is still deporting people to their states. That is what you call cause.

I don't understand your post? Where have i mentioned corruption in my earlier posts ?

You seem to be talking from both sides of your mouth.

In fixing the cause of our problems in Nigeria, i expect to hear something like (a) devolution of powers, there is so much power at the centre, and it is dangerously attractive, how about proposing solutions that will make power at the centre less attractive. I mentioned earlier the issue of concurrent list and exclusive lists.
(b) stronger legal and regulatory frameworks for key sectors e.t.c .......

4 Play: @wirinet

It's not lack of entrepreneurship. Nigerians love money and if there are business opportunities, would happily grab it.

The reality is that the environment - rule of law, infrastructure and human capital - doesn't allow for the existence of businesses on such a scale that will allow for huge reductions in unemployment.

Thank you !

But, that doesn't look like a 55ft long hair.

55ft is like 14 metres. And what i see looks way shorter than a 14metres long hair

wirinet: I am surprised you do not see the relationship between jeeps and unemployment. If Nigerian rich men spend less on jeep and other luxury items and and set up small scale industries, the direct and indirect jobs by thousands of such industries would greatly reduce unemployment levels.

Now imagine the number of jobs created in the exporting country by that N5 - N10million jeep tens of thousands of nigerians are driving.

As the poster said, we should change our mindset from consumption to production.

It is a cheap analogy, there are many jeep owners who owns production companies.

Leave those driving jeeps, they are of less concern, many of them are working productively to earn the pay to buy the jeeps, not everyone can be an entrepreneur.

theoctopus: You think I am disparaging fellow Africans because you have a victim mindset. Do you know that all the things we complain about in Nigeria are actually big big opportunities? It depends on how your mind works.

There is no stable power - Big opportunity
There is no pipe borne water - Another big opportunity
We import rice - Massive opportunity
We have a bad educational system - Massive opportunity
There are no jobs - Massive opportunity

I could go on and on. It all depends on how you see things. Unfortunately, Nigerians only see it the wrong and defeatist way. I was amazed when I learnt that Chi Ltd, have been cultivating massive farms here in Nigeria for their juice products while Nigerians go outside to import concentrates. If you ask the Nigerian why he is importing concentrates, he will tell you it is because of poor power supply or one other fake excuse. Then they will tell you that in America, it is very easy. They forget that Time Warner once declared bankruptcy but today see where CNN has reached.

How many times do you pick up a stone in the middle of the road so cars coming would not have their tires harmed? How many times have you ever helped a kid to cross the road? How many times have you lot come together in your small estate or community to do something like buy a basket ball net for the kids to play with. A great society does not come from government. It comes from a visionary culture. The government is part of the society. Those in power are relatives to many who rant here on NL. Most of the poor and illiterate masses dont even know about NL. The government is not from the moon. It is from us.

You are muddling up issues, have you heard about "root cause analysis" ?

It is the problem with many people, including our leaders, we solve the effects of a problem and leave the cause.

You are giving beautiful examples on how to treat the effect and you leave the cause.

While going out in the morning, you forgot to lock the tap in your house, only to come back in the evening to see flooded apartment. Going by your logic, you will get busy and start mopping the water up. But dont you think the first step is to lock the tap you opened , the source of the water in the apartment?

The cause is always more important than the effect

theoctopus: I knew you were going to respond like this because you have already imbibed a mindset that government is the be all and end all of development. One thing though you have never considered is that the great nations of the world today were not built by government but by visionary men. All the discovery of science today were done by visionary men. In fact, many centuries ago, many of these visionary men were hunted by the government and either imprisoned or killed because the government thought they were witches and sorcerers.

The rail revolution in America was started and driven by visionary private individuals. what the government contributed in many instances were lands, permits, and security. That is not to say government is not important. But the "government is everything" mindset is a lazy thought pattern. It is the mindset of small minded and selfish societies. Look at it from another perspective. How many Nigerians really dream? You will see a European or American wake up one day and say he wants to go climb the highest mountain or cross an impossible river. Some will decide to go and live in the forest for years just to discover something and make history. Have you ever watched the making of some documentaries in Nat Geo wild? Do you know how many explorers and scientists have died trying to do some scientific research. Some even died from hunger and sickness while at it.

Africa is what it is, not because of bad government, but because there are no dreamers. Only self centered humans who think life is all about making money, drinking beer and marrying new wives. Were there is no vision, the people perish.

I will only address your last paragraph.

You are disparaging fellow africans, but have you asked yourself why many seemingly unproductive Nigerians leave the shores of Nigeria and becomes shining light ?

double post

wirinet: And let me add, every private jet bought by our rich men can build a large scale industry.

This your sentence should be etched in gold.

It is a pity we have millions of unemployed graduates idling away when N5million can start a candle making or palm oil/palm kernel oil or other industries. But an average nigerian would prefer to buy a jeep which will become worthless in less than 10 years in order to show off.

You care to explain the relationship between the millions of unemployed graduate and the men buying jeeps?

Can a typical unemployed graduate buy jeep?

PapaBrowne: We must give up this mindset of Government is not encouraging. While I totally agree that government has its issues, you ask yourself how the Government wants to make all these requests usually listed possible when they have a budget of $27bn for 170 million people. They have to listen to ASUU. They have to work of Primary healthcare. They have pay salaries which I think constitute a whopping 60+%. Then the worse of all, they have to subsidize fuel for rich people who own 5 cars because poor people would shut the country down if the subsidies stop.

The question about lending: Why are the banks not lending? The banks are a part of we the people. They are not government entities. Trust me, they lend a lot of money to importers but not to manufacturers. This is what I mean by cultural reorientation. The bankers have a cultural orientation that is predicated on consumption. So they find it more palatable to lend to an importer than to lend to a producer.

Dangote is a Nigerian industrialist and his wealth has risen astronomically on the back of Nigerian production. He has done so in this same country where many say because of power you cannot produce.
Many small scale entreprises are making tonnes money on the back of Nigerian production. But the sad reality is that too many people who should be starting companies are buying jeeps, building filling stations and flipping real estate in our urban centres. This has nothing to do with a lack of an enabling environment but everything to do with a culture of consumption.

As i have said earlier, the Govt has the magic bullet.

Have you gone through the items on the concurrent list and exclusive list? What is your assessment of that

Govt is the arbiter, it will be measured on the strength of its regulation. Who should regulate the peoples lender (bank)? Have you seen CBN micro-finance regulatory framework?, please get a copy online.

You talk about people buying jeep, have you cared to find out if they have the capacity to be entrepreneurs? Not everybody can be an entrepreneur, but the willing ones should be encouraged.

Many nigerian production companies can not compete with cheap substitutes imported in to the country.

If i spend n1,500 to produce in naija, and someone can import that same product of similar standard for n1,000. my company will no sooner stop been a growing concern. i believe stable power supply in naija will drive down cost of production, other factors like easy access to credit facility, stable economic policies e.t.c will also contribute to the growth of production in nigeria

theoctopus: You are 100 times wrong. Some of you are just arm chair duds. Even with unstable power supply, most major manufacturers in Nigeria are posting huge profits year in year out. MTN broke even in the first one year of business. That can never happen anywhere else in the world. The reason why we dont produce in Nigeria is not because of bad infrastructure but terrible and selfish mindset. It takes a visionary and loyal mindset to build a nation. Dangote has continued to show that over the years. The man is an example of a true patriotic man, driven by passion for transformation of society. Isnt it funny that most of the manufacturing companies in Nigeria that are doing well are owned and run by foreigners? Even with all the stolen monies, Nigerians will still not commit to transforming their society because they are just selfish and self centered

Small and medium scale enterprises should be driver of an economy, not those major manufacturers.
i have not blamed all on power failure, what about the credit and financial systems ?


Most Nigerian commercial banks will not lend money to those who truly need it, how many small scale entrepreneurs have access to credit facility to build their business?

What is the strength of govt regulation to prevent rip off by likes of MTN?

Dangote with govt backing has been given series of loans by banks and has enjoyed all sort of privileges.

Maybe PDP should change its Logo to this.

In the name of rebranding.

solomon111: shut up and stop derailing the topic,you fake progressive.
May God expose all of you one by one.

Stop getting unnecessarily emotional, and calling God's name in vain.

I am calling out that Karl max guy, the karl max i read in history was a great philosopher and logical thinker, if he will adopt karl max name on nairaland, then he must operate like him.

Or is Karl max= solomon111 ?

theozobby: There is something about that photo, it looks photo-shopped to me