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If she's mentality sound and sexually active, YES!

If she can keep her chastity till certain age, I dont mind delaying it.

JackBizzle:


Would you give out your 14 year old daughter for marriage?

JackBizzle:
I have seen this argument time and time again- a nairaland muslim coming to explain that puberty (after first menstruation) is when a girl is ready to be married.

The issue here is that this puberty occurs in girls from 9-15 years. So, should a 9 year old get married? How about 13? Or 14?

This issue needs to be addressed


Some comments on the issue from muslims

You dont get it, do you?. A girl can reach puberty at 9 but not mentally fit for marriage. I said earlier:

""Age consent" is PUBERTY. Other factors are embedded therein. @underlined sums it all. If you still dont get it, drink a coffee. You bunch of hypocrites. I gave you illustration but you chose to look the other way. I will ask again.

"A non-muslim girl gave birth @ 14 and she become grandma at 36." She did not marry. Do you have issues with this or not?


Go through attached picture. The lady is my friend in US. Now, do you have anything to say?

dalaman:
I am just tired of muslims and their obsession with sex.

How about non-muslim teen impreganated by some dude?. How about non-muslim girl at 14 who gets pregnant and later become grandma at 30?. Do you have any objection to that madam?

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JackBizzle:
This will be my last reply to you because I dont want to insult you.


I asked why there was no age of consent in islam and you replied that some woman (a non-muslim) had a child at 14.How does that make sense? Please, leave trashy answers for LAWMA.

That's what happens when you lose.

"Age consent" is PUBERTY. Other factors are embedded therein.

JackBizzle:
Your answer is quite ridiculous. I asked for a new thread to answer these questions. I am not here to derail or argue on this thread.

Simple. You can open another thread and copy/paste your question #3 and copy/paste my comment to #3 as well. That answers your concern right there. It's not up to us to open thread. Rather we respond to challenges if we have to. Up to you to pen them. Garrit?

And my answer isnt ridiculous. It is a direct analogy and easy way for nitwit to understand

JackBizzle:
Salaam



3) Early marriage in Islam- why is there no age of consent in Islam (14 year olds getting married)?

wasalam. You again logicboy .

This is very easy. You know in the West, some women are grandma at 30 true or false?. And they aint married.

A young friend of mine is 21 last November. Her mom is 36. She had her when she was 14 out of wedlock.

Question is, at that age did she understand what sex means?. Yes, if so, why can't she marry instead?.

If her first child was mistake, then she had another child at 16 by another man. And at 17 she had another child and at 20 she had another one.

Now, all her 4 children are grown. Oldest is 21. Her mom is 36. This oldest child also just gave birth at 20 a year ago to a thug, no marriage.

So whats your problem with Muslims?. If u want proof, i can scan it for u right here to see.

Bottom line is marriage is old fashion to them. So kindly leave muslims alone. Thank you

Same Folks Who Criticize Other Nations

mubarakopeyemi:
Rilw.ayne001 how far na e don tey small o baba
how dem.mzy15, emp.iree, bela.tron, lexicon.kabir and all other bosses in the hive
hope sey una dey talk sense into this fool at forty lieman over here.
How many converts has he and that insane plappa.villa abi wetin she call herself don get into Christianity with their ironic "truth" mission?
Which kind human being go open tap inside basket dey wait make water full am

Really dont have their time. If you type the verse raised by Op in search bar, you will notice many christians have been asking the same question endlessly. I remembered answering them in detail last year. So there isnt no point engaging them on this subject again. Here is a link to Sura 10:94. Full of threads opening by Christians smh https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=Quran+10%3A94&search=Search

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OLUJOSHINS:


bros abeg tell me the answer naa

Just give it one more try. But overall, you tried cus many failed on FB. You are so closed to getting it right.

Here is your semester exam again

OLUJOSHINS:
ahn ahn, what's the answer

You know when a student CARRY OVER a course he/she retakes the course, right ?

OLUJOSHINS:
0

Lol. FAIL

plappville:
If I tell you will it make sense to you? Since the message is right from the bible you tagged corrupted ?

Whatever, ain't got your time. I am sick and tired of your Paul's version of Jesus. Your Jesus is a simp

parisbookaddict:
How have u been Mr. Muslim.

Its not surprising that you ask that.
You are hoping that mohammedians and ur fellow islamists would have murdered me like they did at Charlie hebdo.

You will fail everytime. Islam is a lie and Islamic allah is a figment of as Arab pedophile's imagination.

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parisbookaddict:
mohammed will be proud of such gutter language.

You still alive?. Well, in order for you to qualify for further contribution in this thread, you have to solve this simple math problem. Then you can proceed.

Ahadith Of The Day

[quote author=VomeSchakleton post=42141444][/quote]Why are you wasting your time with these products of rape by bandits

We know them very well. They are deaf, dumb and blind. There are bunch of them.

Another one called malvisguy will be here soon with his epistles about how holy ghost teaches him silly things in his dream

Like someone rightly said, dont stoop so low to their level.

I really cant stop laughing reading the comments.

Please people, be reasonable.

First all, he cut his own hand at his own volition.

Muslims don't worship the prophet. Nonsense misconception.

His stupidity is equivalent to someone who commits a crime in a secular society knowing that authority is coming for him. He then commits suicide before he gets punished. It's the same parable.

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ZhulFiqar:
Amazing is when Sunnis are shown the truth and for whatsoever reason they cannot accept and embrace it, they become neutral robots who are "Muslims only", even though everything about their beliefs and practices is Sunni.

Dear Haneefah, while we all agree on the Holy Quran, can you tell us where you are told to follow the Sunnah? While we also agree on following the authentic Sunnah embodied in the authentic hadiths, because obedience to the Prophet (s) is obedience to Allah as per the Holy Quran, there was nothing called "sunnah"/Hadiths that was written, codified or preserved as at the time of the Prophet's passing away. Therefore from whom do you learn and take the prophetic sunnah unadulterated ?

Brother, you dragged it. Please leave the sister alone. Her message is clear enough to understand. You do not need to dig. That's the problem. This is what i condemned others of doing. The sister did not stump her feet on anyone here. She's simply neutral and that should just be it.

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"SuShi" { Sunni & Shia }.

Isn't clear now that we are deceiving ourselves by castigating Shia for their "Twelver"?.

Whether they got it twisted or not, it's clear that Sunni also believe in the idea of "Twelve Imams". I for once never heard of this concept in Sunni literature except in Shi'ism which Sunnis are critical of. Thanks to op for bringing this out.

At the end of the day, "Twelver" is also in the Sunni literature. So what's all criticism of Shia on Twelver is all about? .

I have said it time and again that what Sunnis critisize Shia of they themselves practice or written in their books. I'm sure majority of Sunni muslims have no idea of this "Twelve Caliphs" in Sunni theology.

As Nubian113 rightly said, that's my position. We have gotta stop wasting our time on divisions and focus on something we all have in common. Period

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1-• The text of the hadeeth:

It was narrated that Jaabir ibn Samurah said: I entered upon the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with my father, and I heard him say: “This matter will not end until there have been among them twelve caliphs. ” Then he said something that I could not hear, and I said to my father: What did he say? He said: “All of them will be from Quraysh.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (no. 7222); Muslim (no. 1821).

According to other versions also narrated by Muslim: “Islam will continue to prevail through twelve caliphs.” “This religion will continue to prevail and be strong until there have been twelve caliphs. ”According to the version narrated by al-Bukhaari, it says: “There will be twelve rulers. ”Then he said something I did not hear, and my father said that he said: “All of them will be from Quraysh.”



2-• An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said, quoting from al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad: It may be that what is meant is the one at whose time Islam will prevail and the Muslims will unite around him, as it says in Sunan Abi Dawood : “behind each of whom the ummah will be united. ”This happened before the decline of Banu Umayyah (the Umayyads), when their rule became unstable and divisions appeared at the time of Yazeed ibn al-Waleed, when Banu al-‘Abbaas (the Abbassds) rebelled against him.

Sharh Muslim,12/202-203. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

This is how they were; the caliphs were Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthmaan and ‘Ali. Then there came to power whoever the people rallied behind and were able to hold the reins of power:

Mu‘aawiyah and his son Yazeed, then ‘Abd al-Malik and his four sons; and ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez. After that, the Islamic state was beset by the decline that has continued until the present. The Umayyads ruled all the Muslim lands, and during their era the Islamic state was powerful and the caliphs were called by their own names, ‘Abd al-Malik and Sulaymaan; no such titles as ‘Adad ad-Dawlah, ‘Izz ad-Deen, Baha’ ad-Deen (elaborate honorific titles given to the caliphs) were known.


One of them would be the one who led the people in offering the five daily prayers, handed out banners in the mosque (to the armies setting out on expeditions), and appoint commanders, but he would live in his own house; they did not live in palaces or remain aloof from the common people. Minhaaj as-Sunnah , 8/170 Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The view that is most likely to be correct is the third, because it is supported by the Prophet’s words in other versions of the saheeh hadeeth,

“the ummah will be united behind all of them.” What happened was that the people united around Abu Bakr, then ‘Umar, then ‘Uthmaan, then ‘Ali, until the incident of the two
arbitrators at Siffeen. At that time, Mu‘aawiyah was called a caliph. Then the people united
around Mu‘aawiyah after he made a peace deal with al-Hasan. Then they united around his son Yazeed, and al-Husayn was not able to hold power; rather he was killed before that.

Then when Yazeed died, there was some division, until they united around ‘Abd al-Malik ibn
Marwaan after the killing of Ibn az-Zubayr. Then they united around his four sons, al-Waleed, then Sulaymaan, then Yazeed, then Hishaam; and ‘Umar ibn ‘Abd al-‘Azeez came
between Sulaymaan and Yazeed. These were seven caliphs after the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, and the twelfth was al-Waleed ibn Yazeed ibn ‘Abd al-Malik. The people united around him when his paternal uncle Hishaam died, and he reigned for approximately four years. Then they rebelled against him and killed him, and turmoil spread far and wide, and things changed from that day on. The people did not unite behind any caliph after that, because Yazeed ibn al-Waleed, who rebelled against his cousin al-Waleed ibn Yazeed, did not rule for long; rather the son of his father’s cousin, Marwaan ibn Muhammad ibn Marwaan rebelled against him. When Yazeed died, he was succeeded by his brother Ibraaheem, but Marwaan defeated him. Then Banu’l-‘Abbaas (the Abbasids) rebelled against Marwaan, until he was killed. Then the first of the Abbasid caliphs was Abu’l-‘Abbaas al-Saffaah, whose reign did not last long because of the large numbers who rebelled against him.


He was succeeded by his brother al-Mansoor whose reign lasted for a long time, but they lost the far Maghreb (Andalusia), when the Marwaanis took over Andalusia; they remained in control of it and later on began to call themselves caliphs. Then things started to decline in all regions of the Muslim world, to the point that there was nothing left of the caliphate except the name only, in some countries. Prior to that, during the era of Banu ‘Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan, the khateebs had delivered their khutbahs in the name of the caliph in all regions, East and West, North and South, in all lands under Muslim control, and no one could hold any position of authority in any land except by appointment of the caliph.


Whoever studies history will realise that this is true. Based on that, what is meant by the words “Then there will be harj (killing)” is the killing that results from widespread turmoil, and continues to spread and increase as time goes by, which is what happened. And Allah is the One Whose help we seek. Fath al-Baari , 13/214



3-• With regard to the Shi‘ah quoting this hadeeth as evidence for the belief in the
imamate – which means belief that their imams are infallible rulers, and even that they
have the power of issuing laws and are in control of the universe – of twelve men from
the family of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), for whom they have a
list of specific names, the last of whom is the Mahdi, this is a far-fetched and distorted understanding of the hadeeth, based on fanatical bias, ignorance, and whims and desires.

We will explain why this view is weak from several angles:

1. What is mentioned in the hadeeth is “twelve caliphs”, not “twelve imams.” There is a
difference between the two. In their view imamate is more than mere caliphate and rule;
according to their beliefs, imamate requires obedience, and implies that the imams are infallible in word and deed, that they act on behalf of Allah, may He be exalted, in
controlling the universe, that they have absolute knowledge of the unseen, and other exaggerated notions that reached the point of kufr (disbelief that puts them beyond the pale of Islam), Allah forbid. All the hadeeth is actually saying is that there will be twelve caliphs or, according to another report, twelve ameers (rulers). This indicates that twelve men of Quraysh will be in positions of rulership.


2. These twelve men were all described in the hadeeth as belonging to Quraysh. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “… all of them (will be) from Quraysh.” If they were from the family of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), he would have said “… all of them from Banu Haashim,” because identifying someone as a Haashimi is more specific than identifying him as a Qurashi; the custom is to attribute a person to the closest or most specific lineage. If all of them were to be from Banu Haashim, he would not have said that they would be from Quraysh. [Banu Haashim are a clan of Quraysh]


3. The text of the hadeeth indicates that the era of these twelve would be an era of strength, power and righteousness, in which Islam would be prevailing. This did not happen during the era of the twelve imams in whom the Shi ‘ah believe. All of them lived a life of weakness and persecution, hidden from view, so how could they have been able to contribute to the glory and strength of Islam in that situation?


• Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“Whoever thinks that these twelve are the ones who the Raafidis believe are their imams is
utterly ignorant, for none of them carried a sword except ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib. All the rest of
the imams, apart from ‘Ali, never carried a sword, especially the Awaited One (al-Muntazar
– the last imam). Rather he, according to those who believe in his imamate, is either scared and helpless or on the run, hiding for more than four hundred years.

This hidden one never guided anyone who had gone astray, he never enjoined any good,
forbade any evil or supported any oppressed person; he never gave a fatwa concerning any
issue, he never gave a ruling and it is not known that he even existed at all! What benefit did he offer, even if he did exist, let alone Islam prevailing because of him? Moreover, the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) stated that Islam would remain strong and this ummah would remain in good shape until there had been twelve caliphs. If what is meant thereby is these twelve imams, the last of whom is al-Muntazar, who supposedly exists now, until he appears to them, as they believe, then Islam should still have been strong during the Umayyad and ‘Abbasid periods, and it should have prevailed when the disbelievers emerged in the East and the West (i.e., the Mongols and the Crusaders) and did what they did to the Muslims, which would take too long to describe here. Islam
should have been still prevailing until today, and this is something other than what the hadeeth indicates. Moreover, Islam – according to the Imami Shi‘ah – is what they are following, and they are the most humiliated sect of the ummah. There are no followers of whims and desires who are more lowly than the Raafidis; no group is more concealing of their beliefs than them or more assidious in practicing taqiyyah (dissimulation).

They claim to be followers of the twelve imams, yet they are the most humiliated. What support of Islam was achieved by these twelve, as they claim?(...) these twelve (in the hadeeth) are the men of Quraysh who took positions of leadership and caliphate in the ummah; at their time Islam was strong, and this is well known.

Minhaaj as-Sunnah , 8/173-174



• Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:


This hadeeth indicates the inevitability of there being twelve just caliphs, but they are not the twelve imams of the Shi‘ah. Many of the latter had no power at all, whereas these (caliphs mentioned in the hadeeth) will be of Quraysh, and they will have power and will be just. Tafseer al-Qur’an al-‘Azeem , 6/78



• Shaykh ‘Uthmaan al-Khamees (may Allah preserve him) said:


One may wonder: is it mere coincidence that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said that twelve would rule or be in charge of the Muslims, and the number of the imams of the Shi‘ah is twelve?

Answer:

This is not a coincidence. The early Shi‘ah never had this idea of twelve imams. Hence the Shi‘ah divided into many sects. Some Shi‘ah believe that only ‘Ali was an imam; they are the Saba’is, who stopped at that point. Another group said that he was an imam, as were al-Hasan, al-Husayn and Muhammad ibn ‘Ali; they are the Keesaanis, and they stopped at Muhammad. Another group said that the imamate went up to Ja‘far then stopped. And another group said that al-Muntazar (the awaited one) is also an imam; they are the Ithna ‘Asharis (Twelvers). And there are other groups and many other divisions. Anyone who wishes to know more may refer to an-Noobakhti’s book on the Shi‘ah sects. So you can see that the idea of twelve imams came very late, because this idea did not exist among the early Shi‘ah; the hadeeths they quote were fabricated after the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and even after the death of most of the imams of the Shi‘ah.

Thus it will become clear to you that the Shi‘ah are the ones who made this number match the number in the hadeeth of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). Finally, I say that the sound report is the one that says “all of them from Quraysh”. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not have mentioned this general claim if he had meant something more specific; doing so is contrary to eloquence, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was the most eloquent of people.

For example, I would not say, “I am going to give a hundred dinars to every Arab,” then if an Egyptian comes to me, I tell him that I meant every Syrian. Is he not going to accuse me of being foolish and unable to express myself, and tell me that in that case I should have said “every Syrian”? If the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had meant ‘Ali and his sons, he would have said, “They are ‘Ali and his sons.” Even if he had said “All of them from Banu Haashim,” that would have been eloquent. Banu Haashim were many, and Quraysh were more numerous, but the report speaks of them (Quraysh). If at-Tijaani [who wrote a book i support of Shi‘i ideas] and others quote this hadeeth as evidence because it matches the number they have, then what would they say about the hadeeth narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (2779), according to which the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Among my ummah there will be twelve hypocrites; they will not enter Paradise or even smell its fragrance, until the camel goes through the eye of the needle”?


Kashf al-Jaani Muhammad at-Tijaani (a refutation of at-Tijaani’s book), p. 75



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kilode100:
FFN= fakes news nigeria.

I don't think it's fake. Maybe poster added his but read this.
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