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MaxInDHouse:
Only one angel represents God anytime the Bible mentions one angel standing in behalf of God's people!

Show me how this angel was addressed and can be identified in your NWT

Truthseeker10:
I don't know the answer to your Question because you are still helping me to define what "God" is according to the diagram that i showed you in which you agreed that it was correct.

But which one is more accurate.

The woman was MAN or the woman was a MAN?

Does not The diagram clearly shows that Three persons share one nature in the middle which is called "God" And that one nature "God" is shared by three persons? So How can The Word(person) be God(nature) and be with God(nature)?

The Word(person) can be with God because God here is a person too.

Just like the woman(person) who shares the same NATURE with the male is also with MAN, man here is a person.

MaxInDHouse:
Because we know that God is not an angel so it must be Jesus!

Which means, reading NWT ONLY no distinction among the angels can be established.

I love that.

You didn't answer my question!

Do that first.

Truthseeker10:
Does not The diagram clearly shows that Three persons share one nature in the middle which is called "God" And that one nature "God" is shared by three persons? So How can The Word(person) be God(nature) and be with God(nature)?

MaxInDHouse:
Ask the OP nah!
Àbí nah Jehovah's Witnesses infuse what he typed in his head?

Why does the expression "The Angel of the Lord/Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah/Lord" never used by Watchtower in their translation NWT?

Truthseeker10:
So according to the Diagram, is the word "God" Generic or the word "God" is The Father, The son and The Holy Spirit?

The word God is Generic which means the THREE ARE GOD BY NATURE.

Do you understand why The Word was with God in the first place?

Truthseeker10:
So If the the diagram clearly states that God is the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit, How can the Word Who is God be with God according to John 1:1?

I love this but don't run whenever I throw my own question to you or try to play hide and seek.

The word "God" is a generic word just like the word "Man."

Which can be used for both male and female.

For instance, in the account of creation in Genesis, we read the followings:

1. Let Us make man in Our image...
2. let them...
3. So God created man in His own...
4. He created him; male and female He created them.

If you read Genesis 2 you'll notice how the word MAN was used for the male Adam and interchangeably used for both male and female ADAM.

REMEMBER, the female didn't get her name EVE not until after the fall

Now let's use this analogy to explain John 1:1, 1 John 1:2.

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was MAN.

It will be a grammatical error to say

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was a man

In line of this, as Genesis uses man for both first male & female, every right thinking person knows the first expression is correct as "...the woman was MAN" is about NATURE not gender or something else.

But the second expression "...the woman was a man" shows the woman is a male gender or something else not about NATURE.

So where "...the word was with God" in John 1:1 or "The eternal life was with the Father" in 1 John 1:2 show the word IS GOD by nature not another person.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the diagram below?

Yes!

Janosky:
1.
[b]Therefore, Jehovah created Jesus, according to Emusan logic for 1 Corinthians 3:23.

My logis is that, a creature can never be the Creator.

The evidence from the scripture which you also agreed with is that Jehovah used Jesus to create the UNIVERSE which includes ALL THE ANGELS i.e Michael

Jesus is the Creator the UNIVERSE according to JaNosense.

2. According to Emusan's logic for 1 Corinthians 3:23, Therefore,Jesus is archangel Michael, first born higher in rank than other angels.

You can't force what is not in the scripture into it.

The evidence from the scripture is that WITHOUT JESUS NOTHING WAS CREATED.

So Jesus can't be a creature when without Him NOTHING was CREATED.

Reason why your lying organization added that dubious word "OTHER" to pervert their translation.

No scripture ever says Jesus is the Michael but scripture do say Jesus is the Creator and SUSTAINER OF the UNIVERSE.

In simple language, the Army Commander @ Joshua 5:13-14 is an angel of higher rank.
Is the Army Commander a soldier?
Yes,he commands other soldiers.
Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.[/b]

The reason why God inspired Paul to pen down Col 1:15-18 was because people like Watchtower had already corrupting the teaching of Jesus and trying to undermine the Glory of our Savior and God Jesus.

But God has to set the record straight through Paul.

Jesus was never equate to an Angel because He created ALL THE ANGELS.

Grok has message for you down there

Janosky:
Continue WAILING and deceiving yourself.
Who added "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2?
Who added "Himself God" @ John 1:18?
Who added hell @ Mark 9:43-48?

To quote Emusan insulting words, your fellow Trinitarians are "brainwashed" & fraudulent."

You point one accusing finger @ JW's, the other four fingers accused your fellow Trinitarians.
Your bad belle & High PB nah follow come.

If your brain is not paining you and full of dust, you should know that, the fact remains that Watchtower did what those Trinitarians did.

Do you agree with those Trinitarians what they did?

Let see how your hypocrisy mouth will sound this time?

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK!

And you'll still come back for more attention

MaxInDHouse:
See it clearly nah!

So you can't read as well!

Illiterate JWs

This is the same thing said by Grok

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you.
Jesus is the first CREATURE God used to create all other creatures! Colossians 1:15
May you have peace!

Where did you see that in the screenshot?
Just as Grok puts it:

Overall Meaning:
"This passage is a hymn-like declaration of Christ’s supremacy. He’s not just a good teacher or prophet—He’s the divine Son of God, creator and sustainer of the universe, and the risen Lord of the church. Paul wrote this to counter false teachings in Colossae that diminished Jesus, reminding believers of His unmatched authority and glory. It’s a call to worship and trust Him above all else."

Watchtower are part of Colossae Paul was addressing in those verses.

It happened in the 1st century reason why God has to used Paul to pen that down so that people like you can read.

MaxInDHouse:
Leave hurtful words aside for now.

Do you give yourself the same advice?

Do you agree with your own screenshot that Jesus was CREATED?

The screenshot is self explanatory and I even tried to bring it down to the level of your deluded brother because I know he is empty upstair.

So check my explanation above.

MaxInDHouse:
He just love exchanging hurtful words.

Why paste that yet continue arguing just to have chances of insulting Jehovah's Witnesses?

Hypocrite!

Who started the use of the so called "hurtful words"?

I'm happy you feel so hurt with my posts.

Tizu:
I am sure this fool hasn't eaten since yesterday

The person who had already Japa to the same UK

RISQUE:
I hope this bloke is alive to collect a portion of his own shege?

The person who is already in the same UK that supposed to be queuing for Nigeria visa

Janosky:
Their own Bible translators ADDED "Himself God " @ John 1:18 & ADDED "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2, ADDED "hell" to Psalms 9:17 & Mark 9:43-48, to CHANGE THE TRUE MEANING of these verses,Emusan LYING miscreant wasn't WAILING.
Oga,Your Hypocrisy stinks.
Emusan OPONU WAILING hypocrite.

Which means our own Bible and that of Watchtower commit the same fraudulent insertion, do you agree?

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant, the circled portion of your screenshot you are denying.
Emusan post:
"Jesus is also the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. Jesus is the beginning of all creation."
Every first born by right is supreme over his siblings, Genesis 49:3.


Emusan go swallow bone wey chook am.
Emusan LYING miscreant, please quote the circled portion of your screenshot.
Emusan post:
"Jesus is also the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. Jesus is the beginning of all creation."
Shame on you Emusan LYING & denying your screenshot evidence on this forum.
Emusan repent from your folly.
[/b]

Oponu JaNosense the lying liar like your father the Devil.

The portion you cherry pick (circle) in that screenshot is very clear and sound, that is why I do say your skull is empty.

The AI is explaining the meaning of "The first born of all creatures"

Started with "This phrase has TWO MEANINGS:"

The AI then provided the two meanings in which you just circle ONE.

Why didn't you circle the first MEANING?
because that one exposed your lying mouth.

Meanwhile, the AI then conclude that:

In essence, this verse is saying that Jesus Christ is:

1. Perfect reflection of God's nature and character
2. SUPREME OVER CREATURE
3. the Creator and SUSTAINER OF ALL CREATURES.

Which part of that screenshot you're still struggling with JaNosense?

Which means, the second meaning you're blindingly choosing isn't the RIGHT INTERPRETATION OF THAT VERSE.

Oponu JaNosense the lying liar

Gabrielshow24:
Innocent until proven guilty.

Answer the questions set before you and prove your innocence!

If not, your silence will be taken as being guilty 🙃!!!

Don't mind the liar.

Watchtower translation called NWT intentionally ADDED some words in other to change the author intent.

For instance, in other to support the doctrine of Jehovah created Jesus first and then used Jesus to create other things. The word "OTHER" was inserted to change the true meaning of that verse.

Compare this translation: CEV - "Everything was created by him, everything in heaven and on earth, everything seen and unseen, including all forces and powers, and all rulers and authorities. All things were created by God's Son, and everything was made for him."

To Watchtower NWT: "because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him."

Janosky:
Please Console yourself.
Emusan LYING miscreant,enough proof on Nairaland that you are LYING to console yourself.

Provide just one.

Nah JW's tell you say Jesus Christ is first born creature before you provide evidence confirming that.

Bible says Jesus is the FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATURES.

I provided evidence that supported my interpretation that Jesus being the FIRST BORN of every creature doesn't mean Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING but "Jesus is SUPREME OVER CREATURE"

It is Watchtower that deluded you to believe Jesus being the FIRST BORN means Jesus was FIRST CREATED.

So, the screenshot I provided didn't say Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING rather the screenshot evidence claimed Jesus is supreme and CREATOR.

Now , you are LYING on this public forum.

Lying liar JaNosense.

Provide the screenshot where I posted that claimed Jesus is first born of all creatures to mean Jesus was the first created being.

Everyone can see you're the lying liar here.

achorladey:
I don't think myself noticed that throughout my years in that religious organization. You are the one bringing it to my notice here.

Even JaNosense and his deluded brothers don't know.

One funny thing the moment you try digging in that direction you begin to see many things suppressed in that direction to make their cooked doctrines work

They don't research most of the topic they discuss here in line with Watchtower publications & NWT just the delusions they've packed inside that their empty heads

geoworldedu:
No fact about any God's existence as yet, but I go for the God assumed to have created Jehovah. I read about it and it is the only one that appealled to me among all the Gods. Now over to you, which of the Gods exist or which one do you believe in? Jehovah, Allah or Reverad who created Jehovah?

Where is your scientific FACTUAL that a God exists who created Jehovah?

Janosky:
Jesus Christ belongs to Jehovah God, 1 Corinthians 3:23.
ALL angels belong to Jehovah God.

Emusan dunce, won't you ever allow your brain to function ?

Sure all ANGELS belongs to God AND Jesus is the Creator of ALL ANGELS

So there's nothing like "The Angel of Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah according" to NWT

Janosky:
REMOVE "OTHER" from Luke 13:2
Or
Continue WAILING.

Oponu.

First, not ALL TRINITARIANS TRANSLATIONS use "OTHER" in Luke 13:2.

It's evident you know the added word "OTHER" by NWT is pure fraudulent but you want to hide under if other can do it then Watchtower has the right to it as well.

Which means the same thing you accuse other for and even call them different names is what you're defending your deluded organization for.

achorladey:
This one loud gan.

His other brother in madness and insanities peddling saw the hand writing on the wall and rest to come back again when the heat is off

You can see how he stylishly boycott the point I raised about NWT never uses "The Angel of Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah"

achorladey:
Jehovah's witnesses followed the principles of those you call false Christians, idolaters, apostates to arrive at what you called truth

Do you think I do call him JaNosense for fun?

He has shot himself in the legs.

geoworldedu:
When Oxygen was not discovered, you can only say that you don't know if it exists.

So you agree that you don't know if God exists.

Which is neither a scientist FACT.

But if someone tells you that Oxygen is a gas that can blind people and cannot blind people, can be used for breathing and cannot be used for breathing, etc. giving you contradictory stuffs about Oxygen, you cannot accept that that is oxygen until you have made a finding to know the exact stuff about that Oxygen. As per God, many contradictory accounts have been given about it and as for me, the only one I could hold best is that the God of Otem who created Jehovah is more appealing to me. As for whether any of them exist or not, nobody can tell.

This is out of our POV.

Calm down.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING OPONU WAILING hypocrite.
Your Trinitarian mentors ADDED "OTHER" to Luke 13:2, LYING OPONU WAILER cry me a river.

Which means they are wrong.

Now, do you agree that Watchtower is also wrong for adding OTHER where the Greek scriptures never have it?

Colossians 1:15, Jesus is the first born creature, fact supported by Emusan evidence screenshot & Hebrew 1:2 are the main reason for including OTHER @ verse 16.

The lying JaNosense has removed "OF" just like his lying organization added OTHER

The screenshot says boldly that Jesus is SUPREME OVER CREATURE.

Do you agree or you you are blind that you didn't see?

"God created the universe....." Not the Son. Hebrew 1:2.

But THROUGH HIS SON, you want to remove the Son from the EQUATION AGAIN?

JW's followed the same principle behind your Trinitarian mentors inclusion of "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2, to do the same thing @ Colossians 1:16, Emusan OPONU WAILER continue WAILING.

Waoooo I like this, which means Watchtower are dubious like the Trinitarians mentors.

Or do you agree that the Trinitarians mentors are right?

Numerous instances your Trinitarian mentors ADDED to the Bible, Emusan cry me a river.

Good which means you agree that the same dubious acts done by the Trinitarians mentors is the same thing that Watchtower did.

Your tears must fill the 60k tank today

geoworldedu:
Scientists don't prove unfacts,

Wrong grammatical expression.

they prove facts. For example, scientists are out to tell you the characteristics of oxygen, not their uncharacteristics.

Before oxygen was discovered.

Do scientist know about its characteristics?

When oxygen was not yet discovered, will you claim oxygen doesn't exist?

And mind you, I have never said that God does not exist? I just feel that all the known Gods for now, except the God written by Otem, are all like foolish little imbeciles who look less intelligent compared to humans. It is only the God Otem wrote about in his BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY, the God assumed to have created Jehovah, that I can give a pass mark to as being powerful and not stupid.

You never claimed but yet "I don't agree with what is not factual" on question about if a God exist.

That funny you know.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant, won't you allow your brain to function?


1. Only the God Almighty transcends space and time.
Yes.
@ Hebrew 1:2 is Jesus the God Almighty?
Definitely not!
Emusan shame on you!

It's good as you agreed that only God transcends space and time.

Yes! Jesus is God Almighty.

Jehovah God created Jesus Christ & other angels to dwell in the spiritual realm.

Your first ignorance.

Jesus is the one WHO CREATED THAT SPIRITUAL REALM as Jehovah used Him.

So, where was Jesus DWELL before Jehovah used Him to create ALL OTHER THINGS?

The spiritual realm has NO SPACE nor borders.
Jehovah God set space and borders on the earthly realm. Job 38:5,8. Proverbs 8:29. Psalms 104:5,8-9.
Emusan LYING miscreant , very MUMU.

See this JaNosense

Spiritual realm has NO SPACE, what of TIME?

You'll soon run away again

geoworldedu:
What scientists have proven to be fact. Any other things are mere speculations until proven factual.

So which scientist has proven that God does not exist?