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Janosky:
1.
[b]Therefore, Jehovah created Jesus, according to Emusan logic for 1 Corinthians 3:23.

My logis is that, a creature can never be the Creator.

The evidence from the scripture which you also agreed with is that Jehovah used Jesus to create the UNIVERSE which includes ALL THE ANGELS i.e Michael

Jesus is the Creator the UNIVERSE according to JaNosense.

2. According to Emusan's logic for 1 Corinthians 3:23, Therefore,Jesus is archangel Michael, first born higher in rank than other angels.

You can't force what is not in the scripture into it.

The evidence from the scripture is that WITHOUT JESUS NOTHING WAS CREATED.

So Jesus can't be a creature when without Him NOTHING was CREATED.

Reason why your lying organization added that dubious word "OTHER" to pervert their translation.

No scripture ever says Jesus is the Michael but scripture do say Jesus is the Creator and SUSTAINER OF the UNIVERSE.

In simple language, the Army Commander @ Joshua 5:13-14 is an angel of higher rank.
Is the Army Commander a soldier?
Yes,he commands other soldiers.
Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.[/b]

The reason why God inspired Paul to pen down Col 1:15-18 was because people like Watchtower had already corrupting the teaching of Jesus and trying to undermine the Glory of our Savior and God Jesus.

But God has to set the record straight through Paul.

Jesus was never equate to an Angel because He created ALL THE ANGELS.

Grok has message for you down there

Janosky:
Continue WAILING and deceiving yourself.
Who added "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2?
Who added "Himself God" @ John 1:18?
Who added hell @ Mark 9:43-48?

To quote Emusan insulting words, your fellow Trinitarians are "brainwashed" & fraudulent."

You point one accusing finger @ JW's, the other four fingers accused your fellow Trinitarians.
Your bad belle & High PB nah follow come.

If your brain is not paining you and full of dust, you should know that, the fact remains that Watchtower did what those Trinitarians did.

Do you agree with those Trinitarians what they did?

Let see how your hypocrisy mouth will sound this time?

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK!

And you'll still come back for more attention

MaxInDHouse:
See it clearly nah!

So you can't read as well!

Illiterate JWs

This is the same thing said by Grok

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you.
Jesus is the first CREATURE God used to create all other creatures! Colossians 1:15
May you have peace!

Where did you see that in the screenshot?
Just as Grok puts it:

Overall Meaning:
"This passage is a hymn-like declaration of Christ’s supremacy. He’s not just a good teacher or prophet—He’s the divine Son of God, creator and sustainer of the universe, and the risen Lord of the church. Paul wrote this to counter false teachings in Colossae that diminished Jesus, reminding believers of His unmatched authority and glory. It’s a call to worship and trust Him above all else."

Watchtower are part of Colossae Paul was addressing in those verses.

It happened in the 1st century reason why God has to used Paul to pen that down so that people like you can read.

MaxInDHouse:
Leave hurtful words aside for now.

Do you give yourself the same advice?

Do you agree with your own screenshot that Jesus was CREATED?

The screenshot is self explanatory and I even tried to bring it down to the level of your deluded brother because I know he is empty upstair.

So check my explanation above.

MaxInDHouse:
He just love exchanging hurtful words.

Why paste that yet continue arguing just to have chances of insulting Jehovah's Witnesses?

Hypocrite!

Who started the use of the so called "hurtful words"?

I'm happy you feel so hurt with my posts.

Tizu:
I am sure this fool hasn't eaten since yesterday

The person who had already Japa to the same UK

RISQUE:
I hope this bloke is alive to collect a portion of his own shege?

The person who is already in the same UK that supposed to be queuing for Nigeria visa

Janosky:
Their own Bible translators ADDED "Himself God " @ John 1:18 & ADDED "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2, ADDED "hell" to Psalms 9:17 & Mark 9:43-48, to CHANGE THE TRUE MEANING of these verses,Emusan LYING miscreant wasn't WAILING.
Oga,Your Hypocrisy stinks.
Emusan OPONU WAILING hypocrite.

Which means our own Bible and that of Watchtower commit the same fraudulent insertion, do you agree?

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant, the circled portion of your screenshot you are denying.
Emusan post:
"Jesus is also the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. Jesus is the beginning of all creation."
Every first born by right is supreme over his siblings, Genesis 49:3.


Emusan go swallow bone wey chook am.
Emusan LYING miscreant, please quote the circled portion of your screenshot.
Emusan post:
"Jesus is also the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. Jesus is the beginning of all creation."
Shame on you Emusan LYING & denying your screenshot evidence on this forum.
Emusan repent from your folly.
[/b]

Oponu JaNosense the lying liar like your father the Devil.

The portion you cherry pick (circle) in that screenshot is very clear and sound, that is why I do say your skull is empty.

The AI is explaining the meaning of "The first born of all creatures"

Started with "This phrase has TWO MEANINGS:"

The AI then provided the two meanings in which you just circle ONE.

Why didn't you circle the first MEANING?
because that one exposed your lying mouth.

Meanwhile, the AI then conclude that:

In essence, this verse is saying that Jesus Christ is:

1. Perfect reflection of God's nature and character
2. SUPREME OVER CREATURE
3. the Creator and SUSTAINER OF ALL CREATURES.

Which part of that screenshot you're still struggling with JaNosense?

Which means, the second meaning you're blindingly choosing isn't the RIGHT INTERPRETATION OF THAT VERSE.

Oponu JaNosense the lying liar

Gabrielshow24:
Innocent until proven guilty.

Answer the questions set before you and prove your innocence!

If not, your silence will be taken as being guilty 🙃!!!

Don't mind the liar.

Watchtower translation called NWT intentionally ADDED some words in other to change the author intent.

For instance, in other to support the doctrine of Jehovah created Jesus first and then used Jesus to create other things. The word "OTHER" was inserted to change the true meaning of that verse.

Compare this translation: CEV - "Everything was created by him, everything in heaven and on earth, everything seen and unseen, including all forces and powers, and all rulers and authorities. All things were created by God's Son, and everything was made for him."

To Watchtower NWT: "because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him."

Janosky:
Please Console yourself.
Emusan LYING miscreant,enough proof on Nairaland that you are LYING to console yourself.

Provide just one.

Nah JW's tell you say Jesus Christ is first born creature before you provide evidence confirming that.

Bible says Jesus is the FIRST BORN OF ALL CREATURES.

I provided evidence that supported my interpretation that Jesus being the FIRST BORN of every creature doesn't mean Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING but "Jesus is SUPREME OVER CREATURE"

It is Watchtower that deluded you to believe Jesus being the FIRST BORN means Jesus was FIRST CREATED.

So, the screenshot I provided didn't say Jesus was the FIRST CREATED BEING rather the screenshot evidence claimed Jesus is supreme and CREATOR.

Now , you are LYING on this public forum.

Lying liar JaNosense.

Provide the screenshot where I posted that claimed Jesus is first born of all creatures to mean Jesus was the first created being.

Everyone can see you're the lying liar here.

achorladey:
I don't think myself noticed that throughout my years in that religious organization. You are the one bringing it to my notice here.

Even JaNosense and his deluded brothers don't know.

One funny thing the moment you try digging in that direction you begin to see many things suppressed in that direction to make their cooked doctrines work

They don't research most of the topic they discuss here in line with Watchtower publications & NWT just the delusions they've packed inside that their empty heads

geoworldedu:
No fact about any God's existence as yet, but I go for the God assumed to have created Jehovah. I read about it and it is the only one that appealled to me among all the Gods. Now over to you, which of the Gods exist or which one do you believe in? Jehovah, Allah or Reverad who created Jehovah?

Where is your scientific FACTUAL that a God exists who created Jehovah?

Janosky:
Jesus Christ belongs to Jehovah God, 1 Corinthians 3:23.
ALL angels belong to Jehovah God.

Emusan dunce, won't you ever allow your brain to function ?

Sure all ANGELS belongs to God AND Jesus is the Creator of ALL ANGELS

So there's nothing like "The Angel of Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah according" to NWT

Janosky:
REMOVE "OTHER" from Luke 13:2
Or
Continue WAILING.

Oponu.

First, not ALL TRINITARIANS TRANSLATIONS use "OTHER" in Luke 13:2.

It's evident you know the added word "OTHER" by NWT is pure fraudulent but you want to hide under if other can do it then Watchtower has the right to it as well.

Which means the same thing you accuse other for and even call them different names is what you're defending your deluded organization for.

achorladey:
This one loud gan.

His other brother in madness and insanities peddling saw the hand writing on the wall and rest to come back again when the heat is off

You can see how he stylishly boycott the point I raised about NWT never uses "The Angel of Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah"

achorladey:
Jehovah's witnesses followed the principles of those you call false Christians, idolaters, apostates to arrive at what you called truth

Do you think I do call him JaNosense for fun?

He has shot himself in the legs.

geoworldedu:
When Oxygen was not discovered, you can only say that you don't know if it exists.

So you agree that you don't know if God exists.

Which is neither a scientist FACT.

But if someone tells you that Oxygen is a gas that can blind people and cannot blind people, can be used for breathing and cannot be used for breathing, etc. giving you contradictory stuffs about Oxygen, you cannot accept that that is oxygen until you have made a finding to know the exact stuff about that Oxygen. As per God, many contradictory accounts have been given about it and as for me, the only one I could hold best is that the God of Otem who created Jehovah is more appealing to me. As for whether any of them exist or not, nobody can tell.

This is out of our POV.

Calm down.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING OPONU WAILING hypocrite.
Your Trinitarian mentors ADDED "OTHER" to Luke 13:2, LYING OPONU WAILER cry me a river.

Which means they are wrong.

Now, do you agree that Watchtower is also wrong for adding OTHER where the Greek scriptures never have it?

Colossians 1:15, Jesus is the first born creature, fact supported by Emusan evidence screenshot & Hebrew 1:2 are the main reason for including OTHER @ verse 16.

The lying JaNosense has removed "OF" just like his lying organization added OTHER

The screenshot says boldly that Jesus is SUPREME OVER CREATURE.

Do you agree or you you are blind that you didn't see?

"God created the universe....." Not the Son. Hebrew 1:2.

But THROUGH HIS SON, you want to remove the Son from the EQUATION AGAIN?

JW's followed the same principle behind your Trinitarian mentors inclusion of "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2, to do the same thing @ Colossians 1:16, Emusan OPONU WAILER continue WAILING.

Waoooo I like this, which means Watchtower are dubious like the Trinitarians mentors.

Or do you agree that the Trinitarians mentors are right?

Numerous instances your Trinitarian mentors ADDED to the Bible, Emusan cry me a river.

Good which means you agree that the same dubious acts done by the Trinitarians mentors is the same thing that Watchtower did.

Your tears must fill the 60k tank today

geoworldedu:
Scientists don't prove unfacts,

Wrong grammatical expression.

they prove facts. For example, scientists are out to tell you the characteristics of oxygen, not their uncharacteristics.

Before oxygen was discovered.

Do scientist know about its characteristics?

When oxygen was not yet discovered, will you claim oxygen doesn't exist?

And mind you, I have never said that God does not exist? I just feel that all the known Gods for now, except the God written by Otem, are all like foolish little imbeciles who look less intelligent compared to humans. It is only the God Otem wrote about in his BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY, the God assumed to have created Jehovah, that I can give a pass mark to as being powerful and not stupid.

You never claimed but yet "I don't agree with what is not factual" on question about if a God exist.

That funny you know.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant, won't you allow your brain to function?


1. Only the God Almighty transcends space and time.
Yes.
@ Hebrew 1:2 is Jesus the God Almighty?
Definitely not!
Emusan shame on you!

It's good as you agreed that only God transcends space and time.

Yes! Jesus is God Almighty.

Jehovah God created Jesus Christ & other angels to dwell in the spiritual realm.

Your first ignorance.

Jesus is the one WHO CREATED THAT SPIRITUAL REALM as Jehovah used Him.

So, where was Jesus DWELL before Jehovah used Him to create ALL OTHER THINGS?

The spiritual realm has NO SPACE nor borders.
Jehovah God set space and borders on the earthly realm. Job 38:5,8. Proverbs 8:29. Psalms 104:5,8-9.
Emusan LYING miscreant , very MUMU.

See this JaNosense

Spiritual realm has NO SPACE, what of TIME?

You'll soon run away again

geoworldedu:
What scientists have proven to be fact. Any other things are mere speculations until proven factual.

So which scientist has proven that God does not exist?

geoworldedu:
I don't agree with what is not factual.

To you, what do you consider as FACTUAL?

Janosky:

Screenshot Evidences from your Trinitarian mentors translating the Bible.
Is the Greek word "OTHER" in any Greek manuscript @ Luke 13:2?
Emusan MUMU LYING miscreant,go and REMOVE "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2
Or
Continue WAILING your stupidity on this forum.

I'm expecting you to provide the screenshot of the Greek of Phil 5, Col 1:16-17 where NWT added the word "OTHER" to proof me wrong but the oponu JaNosense is talking about Luke

Which means, NWT actually added what is not in the Greek scriptures into its translation to continue to brainwashed you.

JaNosense has ran away from Angel of Jehovah

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:2 "God created the UNIVERSE through His Son."

Is this written in your Bible @ Hebrew 1:2?
Yes.
Emusan LYING miscreant.

Yes and Boldly written.

So, Jesus is the Creator and SUSTAINER OF the UNIVERSE.

Show me where Micheal your god is ever said to be the Creator.

Emusan LYING miscreant doesn't not believe the Bible, Hebrew 1:2.
Awon faithless miscreant.
Tueh !!

If you believe in the Bible and your Translation.

Why does NWT never use the phrase/expression "The Angel of Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah?"

Emusan LYING miscreant, knock your delusion out of your empty skull.
1 Corinthians 11:3 "God is SUPREME over Christ."
To "first born of every creature" meaning that Jesus is a creature."

Now, the oponu is taking us back to the screenshot he ran away from.

To be the FIRST BORN of every creature means "To be SUPREME OVER CREATURE"

Since you agreed that only God is supreme, then that verse confirmed that Jesus is God Almighty.

You can hit your empty skull on the wall but you must accept God's word as God instructed people to pen it down.

Is the first born of every child, a child?
Yes.
Therefore, Jesus the "first born of every creature" is ALWAYS a creature.
E go pain am .

That is why your brain is dull.

The term FIRST BORN was used several times in the scripture and most places it was used it's about POSITION.

In fact, Paul who used that very phrase boldly says the reason why he used it in that same Col 1

Here it is from your perverted NWT.

"and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things" - Col 1:18 NWT

Let that color-red part sink well into your empty skull.

Gabrielshow24:
You just have to press their necks in order for them to say the truth!!! 😂😂😂

For the first time, he agreed that Jesus created the universe 👀 which implies that Jesus transcends time and space🤔 and he was the Creator!!!

Why then do they teach that God is non transcendental 🤕?

It seems to me that what they have is mental sickness!!!

That is why they're so confused.

Only God transcends time and space.

Now, if you ask them, you agreed that Jehovah created the UNIVERSE THROUGH JESUS which includes HEAVENS, and Jesus was a creature.

We know that all creatures need SPACE TO OCCUPY, so where was Jesus live after Jehovah created him directly before using him to create ALL OTHER THINGS?

You'll see them going in circles.

Note: the word OTHER never appears in any Greek word where Jesus was described as The Creator but it was fraudulently inserted by Watchtower to keep deluding their followers.

Janosky:
Jesus Christ himself is a creature, "first born of every creature", says your popular Bible.

REMOVE it from your Bible,or remain a faithless miscreant.

JaNosense has ran away from The Angel of Jehovah

You said God created the UNIVERSE through His Son.

But Jesus is the Creator of the UNIVERSE including HEAVENS.

To be FIRST BORN of every creature means to be SUPREME OVER CREATURE!

How many times will this be knocked into your empty skull?

Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarians have agreed that Jesus Christ is the angel of Jehovah God his Father.

Please Continue WAILING.

Congrats.
😂😂😂

As predicted

The Angel of Jehovah according to those Trinitarians is UNCREATED ANGEL, who is God Himself.

Congratulations, at least you provided the screenshot.

Besides, you haven't answered my question JaNosense

Now, why the expression "The Angel of Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah" never appear in your perverted NWT but throughout the perverted NWT translation it is always "Jehovah's angel" which shows there's no distinction between of the two?

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:2
"God made the universe THROUGH his Son"

John 12:49-50, Jesus Christ obeyed.
Faithless miscreant.

😂😂😂

Now you agreed that Jesus created Michael and you!

That's wonderful!

Janosky:
Emusan dunce & low comprehension skills inseparable for life.

Say the great JaNosense.

This expression, "The Angel of Jehovah" strictly reserved for Jesus Christ archangel Michael.

No where does the phrase "The Angel of Jehovah" ever used in the scripture not even in your perverted NWT.

Definitely, you're the one who lack comprehension here.

But,an angel of Jehovah could be Gabriel or any other angel.
Genesis 16:7,Screenshot Evidences from their fellow Trinitarians.

You can even see from your screenshot that the Angel is "UNCREATED ANGEL" I know you don't agree with those screenshot but just deluding yourself about nonsense you carry in your empty skull.

Now, why the expression "The Angel of Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah" never appear in your perverted NWT but throughout the perverted NWT translation it is always "Jehovah's angel" which shows there's no distinction between the two?

I know the ignoramus deluded JaNosense will pretend as if he didn't see this question.