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MaxInDHouse:
You see what i mean?
Just mention a single thread on this forum that the word THEOCRACY was discussed and let's hear from Nairalanders what they have to say about it but if not then it's not important since nobody brought it here like this "RAPTURE" that was never mentioned in the Bible yet different religions are talking about it as if it's written somewhere in God's word!

It doesn't matter.

Stop derailing.

Watchtower teaches THEOCRACY.

Does that word written in the scripture or not?

MaxInDHouse:
Who is preaching THEOCRACY?

Watchtowers Organization which you belong to.

Now answer my question, does the word THEOCRACY written in the scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
Is the word "RAPTURE" written in the scriptures?

Does the word THEOCRACY written in the scripture

Janosky:
Emusan Illiterate dunce miscreant.

Going by your MUMU, all your Trinitarian Bibles at Exodus 7:1 are inaccurate as well.

Your low IQ won't comprehend that God calls His sons (plural) gods in your own Bible, Psalms 82:1,6.
"Like God" meaning godlike or a god .

Dummy please Continue WAILING and proving your IBERIBEISM.

So, what is your point?

If not because your brain is paining you.

I said Moses was MADE LIKE GOD not that Moses was GOD!

You jumped into my mention by started saying rubbish as if I'm wrong.

Even your deluded fellow has realized his folly by keeping shut because scripture did not say MOSES WAS GOD as he early lied.

JaNosense I asked again what exactly did you want to prove by quoting me in the first place?

Janosky:
Birds of a feather flock together - your IQ too low to comprehend facts, especially from your own Bible.

Irrelevant nonsense.

The word honor has the same meaning in all verses of the scriptures.

So, you agree that the way you honor Jehovah is the same way you honor your mother and father, since the word HONOR has the same meaning in all verses of the scripture.

In addition,
Oga use Biblehub study every translation of
1 Corinthians 11:3 & Hebrew 6:13 until that scripture sinks into your skull.


Oga, go & emancipate yourself.

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The point this delude JaNosense didn't understand yet is that Jesus OPENLY SAID you should HONOR Him JUST AS you honor the Father.

How do you honor the Father?

Even your perverted translation put it this way

"so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father..."

Janosky:
Emusan dunce for life

Very low IQ guy forming woke.

Go and find out the root meaning of Greek 'mono' & Greek 'genes'.


Or
Upgrade your dunce level

He couldn't answer my simple question because he knows his pot of lies will be opened.

What is the meaning of BEGOTTEN?

Let's see if all Abraham children are not BEGOTTEN and ALL ANGELS ARE NOT BEGOTTEN according to your definition of BEGOTTEN

Janosky:
Low IQ dunce forming woke.
Every first BORN in your Bible was created prior to their PREEMINENCE.

Now, the evidence is cleared.

Paul was actually talking about PREEMINENCE and not FIRST CREATED.

It's lie lie people LIKE YOU who changed it to FIRST CREATED.

Study Genesis 49:3 & stop your IBERIBEISM
First born in that verse is distinct from PREEMINENCE.

This Gen 49:3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my strength, the child of my vigorous youth. You are first in rank and first in power."

How did it different Mr deceiving yourself?

Study 1 Corinthians 11:3,11-12 until you comprehend.


1 Timothy 6:13, 1 Corinthians 11:11-12. Hebrew 1:2.
1 Corinthians 8:6. Isaiah 44:24
Yahweh the God (ho Theos @ John 1:1) created ALL THINGS".

Not your 3 deities invented at Nicene

Exactly my point.

So Yahweh CREATED ALL THINGS ALL BY HIMSELF.

So, where did your lesser god joined the GREAT YAHWEH at creation?

You just confirmed my point that no god assisted the Great Yahweh during creation.

Did you see your 2nd person and 3rd person deities at Isaiah 44:24?
Yahweh Hmself does not recognize your 3 deities invented by men at Nicene 381 AD.
Pls remain stuck in your delusion invented at Nicene.

Bcod the THREE ARE ONE!

SO, WHERE DID YOU SEE A LESSER GOD assisting The Great Yahweh?

Oga, you can continue WAILING all your life.
You see that Hebrew text of Micah 5:2, it has existed before your delusion invented at Nicene.
"His (Jesus) ORIGIN is from of old, the days of yore"

The DAYS OF YORE means ETERNITY

Can something with ORIGIN exist in ETERNITY?

JaNosense?

Janosky:
"His ORIGIN is from the days of yore" Hebrew text of Micah 5:2.

Trinitarian FORGERY: "Existing from eternity"
Oga continue deceiving yourself.

Mr continue to deceive yourself.

You haven't answered my question.

Can something with ORIGIN exist in ETERNITY?

Janosky:
Abraham had many offsprings in the physical realm he dwells.
But,only Isaac was begotten.

See delusion.

So others are not begotten by Abraham

God has many sons in the spiritual realm HE dwells.
But only one son, Jesus is begotten in the spiritual realm.

You mean other Angels are not BEGOTTEN....

So what does it mean to be BEGOTTEN?

Was the word "begotten" ever applied to God our heavenly Father at any time?

Definitely not!

The right question should be what does it mean to be begotten?

If you can answer this, them you'll see how your delusion about Isaac was ONLY BEGOTTEN BY Abraham and Jesus being theONLY BEGOTTEN.

I know your BEGOTTEN here means CREATED.

So, other Angels not CREATED KO

Maybe God manufactured them

Every begotten son had a beginning, revelation 3:14 &
1 Corinthians 11:11-12 .

What does it mean to be BEGOTTEN?

Janosky:
[b]No Sir.
The expression "First born of creation" is not a figure of speech.

But it's not about FIRST CREATED

The word first born is a common expression in the old and new testaments.

Yes! Common expression for POSITION not FIRST CREATED.

From Genesis to Revelation, every first born is a creature,no exceptions.

That's not the point of the writer.

Where FIRSTBORN ARE USED in from Genesis to Revelation has where the object isn't THE FIRST PERSON given birth to in the family has ALWAY BEEN ABOUT HIGHER RANK

"The first born of God" at Hebrew 1:6a is not a figure of speech.

Neither is it a direct meaning of FIRST CREATED.

Apostle Paul completed explained what he meant when he said Chirst is the FIRSTBORN it simply means PREEMINENCE.

Did you not read that from Paul?

God his Father is also the Father of all.

We can't say the first born of every child is not a child.

Then why do you say the Son of God is NOT GOD?

Therefore, Jesus the first born of every creature is himself a creature. Micah 5:2 Hebrew text.[/b]

Jesus is the Creator, He created you, Michael and everything in the universe.

Yahweh is not a limited God who needs a lesser god to help Him in creation or lie lie God since He CALIMED HE CREATED ALL THING ALL BY HIMSELF.

Micah 5:2 is never in your support, as you can't still removed that delusion from your head.

Micah 5:2 is another evidence that Jesus never had BEGINNING.

freshboi88:
Please show me where Jesus corrected them ?

That is to show you how they are so angry with anything in the scripture that proved Jesus to be Almighty God.

As you see him, he agreed with his fellow Jws on this forum that the Apostle actually MADE MISTAKE and because of that Bible actually contradicted (even though they can't make such statement in their hall) yet Jesus never corrected them.

Janosky:
"Honor your Father and your mother "
"Honor Jesus just as you honor the Father"
Yet, the hierarchy @1 Corinthians 11:3 & Hebrew 6:13 is irreversible and irrevocable.


Freshboi, does your honoring Jesus change anything @
1 Corinthians 11:3 & Hebrew 6:13?

Whether you keep WAILING & throwing tantrums about honoring Jesus, 1 Corinthians 11:3 & Hebrew 6:13 is sacrosanct.

Confused Trinitarians and woke IBERIBEISM are very inseparable.

Do you honor your father and mother JUST AS you honor Jehovah?

This JaNosense quoted me and started calling another moniker which shows how confused he was.

Janosky:
Micah 5:2 Hebrew text.
His (Jesus) ORIGIN (beginning) is of old, from the days of yore."

Origin from ETERNITY, can something with beginning existing in ETERNITY JaNosense?

Janosky:

The screenshot evidences are self explanatory.
"Like" is not in the Hebrew text but added by English Bible translators.

God said to Moses:
" I have made you God to Pharaoh."
Exodus 7:1.

Which mean your NWT added to what is not in the original Hebrew.

See how this JaNosense keeps proving that his beloved NWT is inaccurate.

TemmyT002:
It was his father who gave him a name that is above every other name. He didn't give himself.

He existed along side of the Father BEFORE CREATION.

TemmyT002:
But he never for once made himself equal to his father.
He PRAYED to his father
If they were equals, he didn't need to pray.
It was his father who raised him from the dead. He didn't raise himself.
His father used him to create the universe. He didn't create it himself.
He said, He is the way. The way means there is still a destination. The father is the destination.
He said no one comes to the father except through him. Meaning his father is greater than he is.
He said, "In my father's house, there are many mansions."
He didn't say, "In my house, there are many mansions."

You never addressee any of my point above

Why?

Do you honor Jesus JUST AS you honor the Father?

TemmyT002:
copied

He also said:

1. He existed along side with the Father even before creation happened.

2. He shared glory with the Father.

3. That ALL MEN should honor HIM JUST AS they honor the Father.

MaxInDHouse:
You're just hungry for fruitless arguments and i'm not interested in such nonsense so keep whatever beliefs you have!

So you saying okay and me saying BETTER is now and headache to you.

Come out plain, stop doing hide and seek

Aemmyjah:
Did Jesus said that him and the father are equal or that the Father is greater than he is?

The content of John 10:30 is at play here!

Even when Jesus made that statement, the people who heard Him loud and clear picked up stone.

Go and Google the trinitarian definition and interpretation of John 10:30 and educate the OP

You're asking me to Google.

Is Trinity not interpretated as THREE PERSONS in one God

So, how can the same Trinitarian now believe that both Jesus and the Father are the SAME PERSON?

It's evident you don't even understand the position of Trinitarian in the first place.

MaxInDHouse:
OK!

Better!

Aemmyjah:
I admit I misunderstood you

Better

And I'm happy you disagree with trinitarians interpretation of that verse that Jesus and God are not the same

You don't even know Trinitarian position yet you want to argue against it.


No Trinitarians have ever said Jesus and the Father ARE THE SAME based on that Jesus statement "I and the Father are one"

What Trinitarian infer from that verse is that, Jesus placed Himself on equal level with the Father.

O ma se ooo

MaxInDHouse:
So when talking about Jesus not Almighty God you won't say it's only JWs that hold such teaching.

Have I ever said ONLY JWs hold the teaching.

Like I said, it's you who have been in denial of only JWs have the TRUTH.

gohf:
I know someone may have been led by God to respond to you but incase why not read verse 15 before verse 17

Col.1.15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (KJV)

Jesus being the first creation of God isn't God Himself the creator of all who used him to make others

It's so funny how you read FIRSTBORN in Col 1:15 but in your statement it was changed to FIRST CREATION

Do you thing Paul who wrote Col 1:15 didn't know that there's a word for FIRST CREATION before he used FIRSTBORN?

If you read down to verse 18 then you will know why FIRSTBORN IS ACCURATELY used rather than FIRST CREATED.

The term firstborn is about PREEMINENCE NOT about creation.

Heb.1.2 But now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he made the universe and everything in it. (NLT)
Heb.1.3 The Son reflects God's own glory, and everything about him represents God exactly. He sustains the universe by the mighty power of his command. After he died to cleanse us from the stain of sin, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God of heaven. (NLT)

So, JESUS IS A CREATOR.

Or didn't the verse you quoted here said Jesus was involved in CREATION?

Is Jesus undermined by being called son of God and not God? Do you think he is that proud like the devil who wants to be who he is not?

Not entirely true.

Jesus was called God many times.

The power of a creature? The question is who gave the power.

If I was given a power to become PRESIDENT, am I PRESIDENT or not?

The sun shines everyday how can the sun have so much power to illuminate all the earth, it was given so.

The sun has limited power, even you have your own power.

But the point from the OP is OMNIPOTENT attributes as seen in that Heb 1:2 being used for Jesus. NO CREATURE CAN SUSTAINED THE WHOLE UNIVERSE.

One of the attributes that makes God to be God is UNLIMITED POWER - OMNIPOTENT.

MaxInDHouse:
No problem at least you know now that it's not only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that teaches Jesus is not the Almighty God.
I think that's enough for now!

@color part is very funny. I NOW KNOW ke.... Or you have been the one in denial.

The heresy of Jesus is not Almighty God which is against God's Word.

Can be traced to as early as first century. In fact it was the teaching that leads the early Christians to use God's word to come up with the Trinity explanation.

So, you see, if JWs can go back to the false teaching of early heresy then it says a lot about their master.

And since you also agreed that not only JWs having this teaching shows MANY ACTUALLY HAVE THE TRUTH.

MaxInDHouse:
Other translations rendered the verse as:

"I have made you God to Pharaoh"

So your NWT is wrong here, right?

Anyway, your earlier point was that Moses WAS GOD not that He WAS MADE GOD! these are different things.

That is why God later said he will send another prophet like Moses to the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} and Peter confirmed that this promised prophet is Jesus of Nazareth! Act 3:22

So the prophet will be LIKE Moses, compare this with the same above when the scripture says Moses was MADE LIKE A GOD to Pharaoh.

Can you see the same thing?

So Moses and Jesus were made God by the Almighty God!

No where scripture ever says Jesus was MADE GOD.

Besides, if somethong is made to be HUMAN that thing will be ACTUAL HUMAN in all ramifications.

Example of this is your belief that the misled angles actually have ALL HUMAN HAS to the extend of impregnating women.

So, if you agreed that both Moses and Jesus were MADE GOD, then it means both Moses and Jesus are ACTUALLY GOD in all ramifications. It that true?

But by including the word "LIKE" shows it's just a metaphor.

Petalss:
What is a glorified body? Does anyone else possess this glorified body, or is it unique to Jesus alone?

A glorified body is a mortar taking up incorruptible.

No! Glorified body is after resurrection.

Regarding God's plan from the beginning: His original intention was not for humans to die. What kind of nature did Adam possess when God planned for them to live eternally?

The nature of Adam is still the same today which HUMAN

And what happened to that nature, resulting in the eventual reality of death?

The nature got corrupted, tainted with sin and became prone to death.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant,
Hebrew language Micah 5:2 prophecy about Jesus Christ.
"His ORIGIN (beginning/start) is from the days of old ,a long time ago ( the days of yore)"

If not because your brain is painning you.

Those phrases you used are the same as ETERNITY.

Nothing like BEGINNING IN ETERNITY

Oponu JaNosense

Aemmyjah:
If Emusan says
My wife and I are one
Does that mean you and your wife are the same person?

No!

Has anyone ever said Jesus and His Father are the SAME PERSON?

Remember Jesus prayed that his disciples should be one just as the father and himself are one and they be united into him and the father
If I follow your logic, then there's nothing to distinguish between the 12 since they're all one person

From where did you read it in my post that I'm trying to claim that Jesus and the Father are ONE PERSON?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmm, you keep laying emphasis on Genesis 20:7.
OK, the Bible says Moses was God {Exodus 7:1} and Jesus was God {Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1} do you agree?
If you agree that both are Gods then i have no more to say on Abraham being a prophet!

Stop injecting your own delusion into Bible.

Bible never said Moses WAS GOD!

"Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet." Exo 7:1 - NWT

This scripture is very self explanatory!

Lastly, later you will be arguing that JESUS IS NOT GOD!
BUT HERE YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT the Bible actually called Jesus GOD!

If Bible actually called Jesus God, does that not mean Jesus is GOD?

Petalss:
What kind of body did Jesus possess?

Glorified body!

The key idea I want to convey is that while God is immortal and eternal, Jesus, in his earthly existence, was a mortal being.

Absolutely because the human He came to rescue are MORTAL but remember the plan of God for human from beginning isn't to die while living in the same FLESH.

But that first body got corrupted and became mortal, but the resurrected body will take on immortality.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT JESUS CAME TO EARTH TO demonstrate

Petalss:
As human beings, our bodies die, but our spirits continue to live on. How does this differ from what happened to Jesus?

There's no different but the different is resurrection!

At resurrection those human spirit will received FLESH.

As demonstrated by Jesus resurrection!

CAPTIVATOR:
Almighty cannot have a God.

Jesus was a servant before humanity ( Isaiah 42:1)

Jesus is God Almighty who crated everything in the universe including YOU!

He was never Almighty at any point in History

Jesus has been Almighty before creation of time.

So you know Jesus himself admitted the Fact hide the date from him ? Matt 24:36

Lolzzzzzzzzzzzz

Just as Jesus admitted that Him and His Father ARE ONE! Which even your lie lie organization understood to be "ONE IN INTENT" which means even before the Father took the decision the Son already knows as well.

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