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Boomark:
Yeah, lots of verses.

Waiting!!!

Boomark:
I am glad that what I posted killed the error you believed in. I am still preparing a shocking response for you and your friend Emusan on the witness of Christ. Something that no man can oppose.

You're still preparing yet you're boasting.

well I know your type and I'm waiting for you.

But don't forget to support your claim with Bible verse(s)

Kingsempires:
I have understand what you told me but why do the pecostant churches believe that mary give birth after Jesus.because i had this argument with them before i can across mat13;55

I think that is because some parts of the scripture talk about brother of Jesus Christ.

Well back then the term 'brother' can mean many things.

Ubenedictus:
Actually those who call Mary Virgin are very clear that they mean she was a virgin before Jesus and remained so after Jesus was born.
This is an old Christian belief that you'll find across Christian history

Well it's not even logical to think that Mary remains VIRGIN after giving birth and I never see where scripture talks about miraculous delivery during Jesus birth.

Prosper1912:
Shey u go still follow chat gpt argue
Still u nor sabi simple mathematics

Funny enough!

Chatgpt says IT'S 2520 YEARS

My qualifications:
1. Where did God talk about 2520 YEARS in the scripture?

2. What was the calculation of Watchtower to have arrived at 1914?

Now, that you agree with Chatgpt

let me ask the same AI about the years Jerusalem was destroyed.

What do you say?

MaxInDHouse:
In the year 1914!

All Watchtower prophecies about end of the world FAILED!

MaxInDHouse:

By commenting on this thread, did he quote you?

Just say you're looking for who to discuss with

Kingsempires:
In the catholic church,they call mary mother of Jesus `virgin mary'.but in the bible matthew13:55.the bible called the names of Jesus brothers.so what still make mary mother of Jesus a virgin when she have other children?

Calling Mary 'Virgin Mary' isn't about her life after Jesus birth but the position she was before giving birth to Christ.

Well I presume Catholic holds the position of Mary never gave birth to another being apart from Jesus Christ, which in itself has nothing to do with Salvation brought by Jesus Christ.

That should be the most pressing issue!

Kingsempires:
The is nothing where i no go see for nairaland.is the any church i will call here that he will not see any fault in them.

The moment you deviated from this your question "So which christian denomination do you think that is the true religion of God?if you said that there are fake denomination." is the moment you gave him more rooms for his manipulation.

See how he stylishly dodge the question by saying "Even if I mention you won't agree..."

Was he not to be eager to tell you the name of the true church?

Is he a mind reader to have known you won't agree?

You should have insisted that he should name the name of the TRUE CHURCH by that you have already holds him to his word.

Remember he said "I will take it if you can prove it"

Then by now we will be looking for the Judge who will approve the 'PROVE' either TRUE OR FALSE!

Since, you opinionated that "...so my question is there any christian denomination that you will tell that there are not doing biblical things and they will not use a part of the scripture to defend themselves?"

And he strongly agreed with that by responding "No there is no church that will not use part of the Bible to defend themselves."

This has already put any church he might name as the true church into the union set.

achorladey:
See wahala everywhere.

Very unintelligent person!

achorladey:
Na today I see this thread oooo. I never knew MaxInDHouse was busy peddling another round of lies and manipulations about the name Christian

Janosky slaughtered him outrightly with the post saying even pagans are not proud of the name Christian. Jehovah’s witnesses too are not proud. That says it all. We know the pagans disguising as Christians

Meanwhile, this was the same JaNosense saying Jesus is the founder of Christianity.

Which means, to JaNosense and his deluded brothers Jesus is the founder of a name not to be proud of.

This shows who their gods were.

achorladey:
The you will never order in your life with his werey peddling brains





To Jehovah’s witnesses too according to MaxInDHouse the madness and insanities peddling brains the name Christian is cursed and bastardised nothing to be proud of and those using the name don't belong to Jesus Christ.

That's why you peddle you will never have order in your life.


cc: Emusan

You claim the name "Christian" is nothing to be proud of according to pagan

But if you're asked: Are you a Christian?

You will be confused.

Just as his deluded brother claimed the name is cursed and bastardized, and whoever thinks he belongs to Christ under that name should think twice. Yet from one side of his mouth will still refuse to boldly say Yes! I'm a Christian

Boomark:
There is nothing brilliant about this if you don't know what they are actually witnessing about Christ.

They are not witnessing about Jesus Christ!

They already made it known who they witness to by their name.

Is it not that he was sent by God.
That he came to reconcile us back to God.
That he is the way to God.
He is the mediator between man and God.
That we should pray to the Father in his name.
That his Father is our Father, his God is our God.

Yet the direct statement from Jesus is "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And you will be my witnesses, telling people about me everywhere—in Jerusalem, throughout Judea, in Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8

Do you know more than Jesus Himself?

Everything is about Jehovah, the God of our lord Jesus, Eph 1:17

Give me just one person who witness about Jehovah in the New Testament.

Meanwhile, Jesus Himself said, the scripture are all about HIM not His Father.

All the things I wrote up there came from the scripture. I wonder the kind of witness you will give about Christ that is not to the glory of the Father?

Did the same scripture ask you to WITNESS ABOUT THE FATHER?

Tetraozonaitera:
Yes the 1 Corinthians calls Him wisdom of God but the other one did not.

Anyways, Only Maxim.. Knows why he referred to the book of Proverbs because it seems like an off point to me. Although I had responded to him.
The Proverbs verse he quoted was not about the Word,(Jesus) Reading from the beginning of the chapter proves that.

Look at the 1 Corin very well and see the implication of Jesus not being God as they are trying to postulate.

If Jesus is the Wisdom and Power of God. It means before Jesus was created according to their claim, God was without Power and Wisdom.

Notice: 1 Corin didn't say Jesus became POWER OR WISDOM of God but He is THE WISDOM AND POWER OF GOD.

Other point is, in Prov 8:22-31, look at the description of the Eternal Wisdom of Yahweh talking about the Creation of the World.

You will notice that the SPEAKER who is the Wisdom excluded itself from the act of Creation.

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep,
28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong,
29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth;

As you can see, if the Wisdom speaking is Jesus Christ and the same Jesus was recorded to be the Creator then who is the HE directly involved in the Creation here?

Just as you rightly pointed out, the description of Wisdom above even Wisdom as God because it claimed "BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREES THAT ARE JUST;

[16] BY ME PRINCES GOVERN, AND NOBLES—ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH.

[17] I LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE ME, AND THOSE WHO SEEK ME FIND ME.

[18] WITH ME ARE RICHES AND HONOR, ENDURING WEALTH AND PROSPERITY.

Michael547:
What would you say about the pulpit commentary from bible hub as shown in the screenshot below?

Do you then agree with the pulpit commentary?

let's start from there!

Steep:
just before coming to the earth. See Phil 2:7.
He made himself of no reputation taking the form of a servant, before he was made a man.
Note the change of language,before taking upon himself the form of a servant he did all things by his authority but after taking upon himself the form of a servant he relinquished that authority to the father and he was made a man not by himself.

We don't see different gods but one God who is in three different persons playing different roles to fulfill his will.

After Bible has been translated to a plain English, some people still allow men doctrine to beclouded their sense of reasoning and understanding.

The verse you quoted along other is plain English which even a bright secondary school student shouldn't struggle with to understand.

Of recent, I asked MetaAI about Philippians 2:6.

Note: I didn't even add the Book or mention anything Bible but here was the reply I got.

This phrase is a quote from the Bible, Philippians 2:6, and it's a description of Jesus Christ. Here's a breakdown of what it means:

- "Who" refers to Jesus Christ.
- "Being in the form of God" means that Jesus existed in the same form or nature as God. It's a statement about His divinity.
- "Thought it not robbery" is an old-fashioned way of saying "did not consider it something to be grasped or seized". In other words, Jesus didn't think it was something He had to take or claim for Himself.
- "To be equal with God" means that Jesus didn't try to assert His equality with God or make Himself equal to God.

In essence, the phrase is saying that Jesus, although He was fully God, didn't try to hold onto His equality with God or use it for His own gain. Instead, He humbled Himself and took on human form (Philippians 2:7-8 )

This passage is often seen as a description of Jesus' willingness to set aside His divine privileges and become human, in order to serve humanity and ultimately die on the cross for our sins. It's a statement about His humility and willingness to serve, rather than trying to assert His own power or status.

As you can see, this verse alone proved that Jesus is FULLY GOD and not just a created being.

I did more on many verses which I'll created a thread on soon.

StillDtruth:
hahahanahahabhaha.
Jws are atheists carrying bibles.

O so he is using the strategy of asking stupid and unending questions to attack or defend any issue he likes to believe.

He asked those questions because he is confused, if you answered his questions, he won't draw any point from it but proceed to ask another question which sometimes make him go round in circle and still ask you the same question he already asked you before.

The reason he's still quoting you is because you haven't turned the question to him by asking him if he also agreed with those translations. Then you'll see him disappear like smoke.

StillDtruth:
Exactly!

I sometimes feel he is atheist but when you said "his doctrine" I have to ask what persuasion does he subscribe to?

Maybe he is Jws-Atheist then!

StillDtruth:
Exactly!
He can ask question forever, even stooping.to stupid ones too!

But now that you put him on the stand, see dodging. People dey o!

He knows by answering question he'll expose himself.

when he asked you if American and Aramaic are false (not that he himself take those translations as authentic like NWT) he wanted to be clever by half but immediately I asked him if he agreed with both. He saw where I was going because if he says he agreed with them, he knew very well that the same translations go against his doctrines in many places.


That is the reason he deployed deflection tactics and begin to lie!

Michael547:
Oga leave me abeg...go rest.

I didn't hold you nah

So you lied that you told me you won't answer my question.

Na wa ooo

Michael547:
I am not setting a rule on you.... I said I won't answer your question. Is that a crime?

Show me where you said the @bold.

If you've said you won't answer my question you should have said so immediately you quote my post, but you quoting my post without addressing my post but only to throw your own question this shows you want something from me.

Why are you always afraid of answering question but you want people to answer your own questions?

Michael547:
You answered a question which I never directed to you

Yeah! And there no law prohibited that on Nairaland.
If there's any law let me know and I'll apologize

But don't forget just as you quoted that person who didn't make his post about you.

you could have just ignored.

Why didn't you ignore the person you quoted first?

Do you want to be setting rules on Public forum?

Michael547:
I never forced him to answer my questions.

Neither do I

So, you don't need to ask me question when you no you can't answer my question in the first place!

Michael547:
I never obligated you to answer my question...why must I answer yours?

But the person you quoted, you want answer from him, why?

Is that how you were taught?

Since, you replied me, then you should've answered my question before you ask yours.

Michael547:
So which translation is neither corrupt nor inaccurate?

Answer my question first before asking yours!

gohf:
If Jesus is God he would reveal himself as God and not have to humble himself to God who is above and above all, revealing God the father.

No! He doesn't have to reveal Himself as God because that's not the reason he came to Earth.

Jesus is divine because he is like God, having the likeness of God but the in the image of man to bear our sins.

Which means while on Earth, He has TWO NATURES: One as divine and One as Human, right?

This post is to reveal who Jesus is

Your post has no authority to do that , God's Word already revealed who Jesus Christ is.

Jesus is God Almighty
Jesus is the Creator of ALL THINGS
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega
Jesus is The First and The Last
Jesus is the Savior of the world.

the real Jesus sent by the Father

The real Jesus sent by Father you can't fully know Him just as you can't fully know the Father. You can only know Him as Scripture described Him just exactly like the Father, to think you know Him in REAL SENSE makes you to be God Himself Jesus as Jesus says “My Father has entrusted everything to me. No one truly knows the Son except the Father, and no one truly knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” Matt 11:27

So, are you now the Father?

Michael547:
Are the American and Aramaic bible false bibles?

They are just translations and you can't use FALSE for translations rather you ask if they are ACCURATE OR CORRUPT some textual contents.

Do you agree with American and Aramaic Bible?

It's evident you're not in tune with your own understanding.

Now, you have changed mouth.

Typical Muslim.

This was your initial statement "A person becomes a Muslim by saying: “Ash-hadu an lā ilāha illallāh, wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluhu” which means: “I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allāh, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger.”

This statement should be TRUE for all ages, but in other to defend the indefensible you created more problem below.

Anaybira:
The one who believe and work with the six articles of faith is a Muslim.

PROVIVE WHERE ABRAHAM, MOSES, AND NOAH fulfilled these SIX ARTICLE OF FAITH.

Reason why the disciples of Jesus (peace be upon him) called themselves Muslims

They never called themselves Muslim and they will never because they are with Jesus in heaven now.

What is their message?
1. They preached Jesus crucified and death
2. They preached Jesus the Son of God
3. They preached Jesus as Eternal God
4. They preached Jesus come from the Father. Remember, Islam Allah is not a Father.
5. They preached salvation ONLY IN JESUS NAME!

So they can never be a Muslim unless if you will agree with me that you as a Muslim also preach all these.

was because they had belief in the massage of Jesus (peace be upon him) which obliged them to also believe in the past prophets he affirmed there their prophethood to them, this is the same for the people of Moses, Abraham back to Nuah (peace be upon them).

Not true, Jesus only TOLD his Disciples that:

1. He is greater than ALL THE PROPHETS
2. In fact, Jesus told the crowd that He Existed even before Abraham
3. All prophets including Moses wrote about Him.

So, definitely the disciples of Jesus who walked this earth over 2000 years ago must be different from the one your Muhammad introduced through Islam.

Thus, during the time of Jesus (peace be upon him) if one was to be a Muslim he would have to BELIEVE IN HIM but the messenger of our time is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the one who disbelief in his message i.e. Islamic monotheism is one of the disbelievers.

Look at the two @underlined phrases, you will notice you carefully used two choice of words

1. BELIEVE IN HIM
2. BELIEVE in his message

This is where your salvation lies Muhammad mission is to make you believe in the MESSAGE he brought while Jesus mission is to MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN HIS PERSON.

Also, no prophet ever preached a message of PERSONAL BELIEVE only Jesus did that and I'm glad you could understand that just that the veil of Islam is still preventing you to acxept it.

In summary, the prophet [of] our time through revelation commands us to say and work by the statement you are having problem with in order to become a believer.

Qur'an 5-111

I didn't have problem with it just that it doesn't make sense which you yourself understand reason why you have to come through another means to redefine HOW TO BECOME A MUSLIMS.

So, my point is ABRAHAM, Moses not to even talk about Jesus the Creator of ALL THINGS can't be a Muslim by "...WITNESS THAT Muhammad is a prophet" just as simple as that.

Godfullsam:
It looks like brain don't want to carry this programming stuff.

May be because I am self learning, or wrong approach or I have not been able to lay hands on the right material.

Hope you're able to catch up by now?

I know you didn't think through this your copy and paste.

[quote author= Anaybira]How to become a Muslim
A person becomes a Muslim by saying: “Ash-hadu an lā ilāha illallāh, wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluhu” which means: “I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allāh, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger.”[/quote]If this is how to become a Muslim, how come Abraham, Moses and all those who are before Muhammad are Muslims, since they never "...witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger"?

MaxInDHouse:
Still begging!

SHow where I beg in that post

Here is my point in case you forgot to put on your glass the other time

So you can't say boldly with your full chest that Yes! I MaxInDHouse, I'm not a Christian

Just as any True Christian can boldly say: Yes I'm not a Jehovah witness

Then what is the different between Christian and Jehovah witness according to the title of this thread?

MaxInDHouse:
OK i will stop quoting you that should settle the matter!

You will quote people even when they don't know you're existing, then you'll turn around to accuse them of following you bumper to bumper just to massage your ego.

Only you will say you will stop doing this and that on Nairaland and later turn around to swallow your vomit when no law in place forbidden people not quote each other in the first.

Your case is very pathetic!