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Janosky:
Martin Luther his Trinitarian mentor is a believer of Jesus the archangel Michael.

He should get answers from his mentor every other Reformer & pastors listed in the screenshots.

All of them nah him Oga.

Is Martin Luther not your own oga?

I'm glad everyone on your list was never an author of a single verse in the scripture.

Well, as usual your cherry pick will make you discard them when the table turns.

Michael547:
I won't answer your questions since you won't answer mine. Goodbye sir.

Who first asked question?

After you lied against God and His word, I understand

The wicked runeth when no one pursued him

Michael547:
Do you agree on GENEVA STUDY BIBLE AND MATTHEW POOLE'S commentaries on John 1:1?
Yes or no?

What is the meaning of ARCHANGEL?

Where in the New Testament Jesus was called ARCHANGEL?

These are my questions before you think of asking yours.

If you answer them, then you'll get answer to yours.

Michael547:
I do not have to answer you....

You need to as long you quote me.

you don't have to have a case with me.

Then stop coming to Nairaland.

I never asked you any question.

You did above!

Below are commentaries of people who believe that Michael in Daniel 10:13 is Jesus Christ and i agree with them just as you agree with them on John 1:1.

I never said I agree with them on anything.
You did that to justify your own cherry pick.

Which I'm very sure, if we jump into the discussion of John 1:1 using the same PEOPLE your tune will change and you won't be soo bold to say YES I AGREE WITH THIS PEOPLE.

You will hardly see me quoting commentary to support my point.

What is the meaning of ARCHANGEL?

WHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT JESUS WAS CALLED ARCHANGEL?

I don't know why you are not proud to provide a verse where Jesus was called ARCHANGEL in the New Testament which would have end all this in second.

Michael547:
Lol.....ok do you agree with them on John 1:1?
If yes, why don't you agree with them on Daniel 10:13?
Are you also cherry picking?

Answer the rest of my question.

What is the meaning of Archangel?

Provide the verse where Jesus was called ARCHANGEL in the New Testament.

Michael547:
You don't have to challenge me....you can challenge GENEVA STUDY BIBLE and MATTHEW POOLE'S commentaries below on Daniel 10:13 even though they believe in Trinity.
Good bye.

Many people have challenged them already and that is the reason you can only cherry pick the part that suit your side.

Now do someone who believe in Trinity will believe Jesus is an Angel?

You didn't answer the question I asked also.

What is the meaning of ARCHANGEL?

PROVIDE THE VERSE WHERE JESUS WAS CALLED ARCHANGEL IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

MaxInDHouse:
Only the truth will WORK and make disciples who are doing the work lies will only end up as arguments in the mouths of it's carriers!

What incoherent......

Read what you type again and make sense out of it

Michael547:
Oga kingsempires....Below is Daniel chapter 10:13 in the screenshot below.
You can see that the Title 'Chief Prince' does not mean 'ArchAngel'. The Hebrew word for 'Prince' is not the same for Angel.

So what is the meaning of archangel?

Jesus Christ is called the Archangel only in the New Testament and it is usually in singular and not in plural to show that there is actually one Archangel.

I challenge you to provide the verse where Jesus was CALLED ARCHANGEL IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

Below in the screenshot is also commentaries from The GENEVA STUDY BIBLE and MATTHEW POOLE'S, both from bible hub who says that Michael in Daniel 10:13 refers to Jesus Christ even though these sources believe in the Trinity.

Now Geneva Study Bible and Matthew Poole's are correct simply because the link Daniel to Jesus.

But do you agree with the two on John 1:1?

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing with you is that when talking about the understanding of God's word you rush to world philosophers whose works you can't present as evidence of accurate knowledge.

When Jesus walked the earth himself and his disciples were considered as novice before the great scholars of his time {Act 4:13} so instead of jumping into dictionaries to interpret God's word think about the FRUITAGE of such a translator if their translation doesn't meet up with the motive of bearing disciples who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching about God's Kingdom then their interpretation is not ACCURATE! Matthew 7:15-20

Another shalaye

What is the meaning of ARCH?

MaxInDHouse:
Can you answer his questions?

If you can then teach him about your god!

If he didn't ask me question, don't bother yourself on that.

The fact here is that, Michael isn't the ONLY ARCHANGEL according to the scripture as you boldly lied before!

MaxInDHouse:
So if all the chief angels are archangels is Satan also an archangel?

Arch means CHIEF

So if you can just erase that delusion on your head you won't ask again, if all chief(arch) angels are arch(chief)angels is Satan also an arch(chief)angel?

You're deliberately using the key word ARCHANGEL as if it doesn't have meaning.

Only a liar, fraudster and manipulator that does that.

@kingsempires you see how he kept using the word ARCHANGEL but refused to break it down, do your research you will find out that ARCHANGEL simply means CHIEF ANGEL.

Then compare that to the last part of his statement which I quoted.

In fact, below is a Marian dictionary meaning of Archangel

MaxInDHouse:
I think i've done enough so choose between their teaching and mine, henceforth any question you have ask them because i won't respond to your questions again.

Thanks for your time!

So showing you Bible verse is now my teaching

Well, I know you'll still repeat that lie million times but just as Our Lord and Savior says "You shall know the Truth and The Truth shall set you free"

@kingsempires you see why I told you that he knew exactly what he was doing.

Arch means Chief
Archangel will mean Chiefangel

Daniel talks about CHIEF PRINCE and Michael is ONE OF THEM.

You see the reason he can't answer my question since

Kingsempires:
are you serious?

ahaha

You didn't see where he said:

"There are many angels who has authority in heaven only one controls all of them that is Michael the archangel."

So what do you understand by this?

achorladey:
Jehovah don't control angels

No! Only Michael does!

Which means Michael and Jehovah are on the same level

Kingsempires:
is the Way he understood the Bible

No! He knew exactly what he was doing.

Don't forget, to Jws Jesus is Angel Michael and Jesus is the first created being.

By doing so, he wants to justify why Michael is so POWERFUL THAN OTHER ANGELS and reason it can only be Jesus Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means angels having authority over other angles in heaven but the archangel is the overall commander over all angles in heaven.

Lying liar!

Arch means CHIEF

Even in the rank Chief Prince is more superior to Archangel.

Stop lying against God and His word just because you want to please your gods in Warwick. You'll give account one day, don't forget that.

Petalss:
Even if two are seated on a throne, I don't want to imagine how

Which is not even possible!

what is said of the third person

The third person is with Believers already!

Kingsempires:
you still dey ask the question

Of course, since he is claiming that it was translator's preconceived thought.

Or you don't want to know the meaning too?

Courz:
Yes I remember their blunder they made in the book about Trinity. Now that publication is old light and no longer used for preaching again. They have discarded it. They like to think they understand the Trinity but they don't.

What I don't understand is that if they really are against the Trinity, then why is It in their Bible? Why is It that they replaced the Holy Spirit in their baptism? The Trinity in JW is Jehovah, Jesus and the Organisation a.k.a the Governing body. Their Governing body replaced the Holy Spirit because they want as much authority over JWs as God and Jesus. So I ask, is this not a different version of the Trinity in their religion? You can't criticise their organisation because they have authority over them. This is why their doctrines are from one error to another. How can you prefer to be inspired by mere humans like you instead of the Holy Spirit? Even Jesus himself has no authority in their Cult as much as their Governing body.

I'm very sure they are really against the Trinity even when it's evident that they don't understand it.

They perverted every text in the Bible that has to do with Sovereignty of Jesus Christ.

In fact, the most non debatable verse like John 5:23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."

This is a clear and straight forward text where Jesus is demanding equality with the Father. I have given this verse to MetaAI, ChatGPT e.t.c all came with the same result.

MaxInDHouse:
There are many angels who has authority in heaven only one controls all of them that is Michael the archangel.

Michael is NOT the ONLY ARCHANGEL in Heaven. Stop lying against the Holy Scripture.

Arch means CHIEF

Kingsempires:
I don't really understand your question

You're taking that one serious.

Remember in one thread he told you boldly that "Michael is the ONLY archangel"

When I saw that thread, I present the book of Daniel 10:13 to him which says "But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia."

You know the excuse he gave?

He said, that was the preconceived whatever of the translator....

I then ask him, what is the Hebrew meaning of the word used in Daniel CHIEF PRINCES? As I'm typing now, he has not replied.

Archangel comprises two words

Arch / angel
Arch itself means CHIEF

Courz:
What Is the Trinity that you hate so much doing in your own Bible?

Fight against Trinity is one of the reasons Watchtower was set up.

They opposed ANYTHING that link Jesus to God.

They reject EVERYTHING about Holy Spirit that made Him a PERSON.


Now ask them, if Holy Spirit is an active force of God, can I worship the Holy Spirit?

Have you forgotten their famous booklet "Should you believe in Trinity?"

Which came out to be the most perverted, dubious and fraudulent book ever produced that they have to stop it after people called them out.

Petalss:
It is just unfair to the third person, 3 in 1 buh only 2 have a throne to sit on.

I'm glad you notice the singularity which is A THRONE and not THRONES.

MaxInDHouse:
The translators used their preconceived thought there so please check the same verse in other translations.

May you have PEACE!

Waoooooo

So what is the Hebrew meaning of the word CHIEF PRINCE?

MaxInDHouse:
There is just one archangel and his name is Michael.
The Bible mentioned the name of two angels Michael and Gabriel that's why some Bible readers thought Gabriel is also an archangel he is not.

How long will you continue to lie against God and His Word?

The scripture boldy says there are many archangels, well if Devil is your father what do you expect!

"But for twenty-one days the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels, came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia." - Dan 10:13

At first this was your point

"The certainly for this miraculous birth of Jesus is not found in scripture. It is attested to by the early church, this is why all ancient Churches AGREE that Mary is perpetually a virgin"

You have not addressed HOW this miraculous birth was known.

Ubenedictus:
The early church was taught directly by the apostles. The gospels were written over 30 years after the resurrection. Before we had a single book of the new testament, we already had a church, the early church didn't begin to learn about Jesus by reading a new testament! No! The apostles preached and were already preaching for over 30 years before the holy spirit inspired them to put some of what they had taught into writing.

Was Mary Perpetual Virgin part of their preaching?

If Mary perpetual virgin was already WIDE SPREAD before the scripture was developed, how come such important message was ignored?

The main point is, since it's not in the scripture then it's not something God wants to bother us with.

So really it is very ignorant to ask "if it isn't in scripture where the the early church get the info from"?
Sorry but that's a very ignorant question

If that's how you see it, but the truth is you have not addressed the real point here.

The early church already knew about Jesus before we had a new testament and even the new testament tell us it doesn't attempt to put everything down in writing.
If you want to know all that the apostles taught the early Christians that the bible itself say it couldn't write because it will be too much, then go check the practices and beliefs of those who the apostles taught and those who those people taught. Check out all the churches that can directly trace themselves back to the apostles and see what all of them have always believed.

In a nutshell, you don't have evidence to support your miraculous birth.

achorladey:
The group he bought from Pastor Russell

You still remember this!

Jashub:
This thing will replace humans. Mark my words...

You people don't even know how superior human is.

That is why you always think what HUMAN designed and built will replace the same human one day.

Kingsempires:
this is the reason why i ask are you a Christian. What type of proof do you want mat 1 to give you that mary conceived Jesus by the holy Spirit

You see the reason why you should understand a discussion properly before jump into it.

Who is talking about Jesus miraculous conception?

We're talking about Jesus delivery, did Jesus pass through Mary vaginal or not?

Kingsempires:
men are you a Christian

I made a comment, you jumped in without know the genesis and I asked you a question, the next is to ask me if I'm a Christian, what does that have to do with the question I asked you?

Kingsempires:
Mat 1

So, Matt 1 actually proved that Mary delivered Jesus vaginally.

Kingsempires:
This question way you they ask me you no they read bible

Okay, quote the Bible verse for me!