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MaxInDHouse:
God created you through your parents! Colossians 1:16

It's Col 1:15 the same verse that has been knocked into your empty skull several times.

So are your parents your creators?
Of course you will say NO.

The same applies to Jesus, as a spirit being God used him as His first creation to make all other things just as God used Adam to populate our planet with humans no wonder both of them were called God's Sons! John 3:16; Luke 3:38

God USED Jesus because your god so impotent that he couldn't do creation ALL BY HIMSELF as against declaration of the Great Yahweh the Godbof Isreal who confirmed that HE DID CREATION ALL BY HIMSELF. Isa 44:24, 40: 28, Ps 104:24, Prov 8:22-30

MaxInDHouse:
Where did the Hebrew scriptures announce that the Christ came in the first century?

You and i believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ not because we saw any date given in the old testament pointing to the day the Christ will be born and for your information that's why Jews today don't believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the expected Messiah (Christ)

So what is the evidence that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ?

Well it's events surrounding his birth, childhood, ministry, death, resurrection and of course the group he commissioned.

So in the same manner the year 1914 carries all the fulfillment of prophecies Jesus foretold regarding his presence till today.

So you can't point to where Jesus ANNOUNCED 1914, yet you keep on announcing what Jesus announced

To point where Jesus make announcement of 1914 has turned to a long story

MaxInDHouse:
Oh you're pained again?
Na wah for you o!
OK continue your FINE WORKS!

You keep on announcing what Jesus announced

So where did Jesus announce the year 1914?

Jozzy4:
Title or not.
Why is the Title Son given ? It indicate a created being.

OLODO...
It was given to him ON EARTH for His mission

Stop going in circle.

That's why such a Title was never applied to the Father.

This shows how empty you are in scriptural knowledge and you have hooked yourself with this.

Father itself is TITLE, which means the Title Father is what God added at a point not that God has ALWAYS BEEN A FATHER.

Psalm 2:7 that the New Testament writers paraphrase or quoted read:- The king proclaims the Lord’s decree: “The Lord said to me, ‘You are my son. Today I have become your Father."

Which means there was a time God was not a Father too.

Jozzy4:
So a person that knows the Mind of God should know the day and hour now, isn't it ?

The first point here is that TO KNOW shows the being is a PEESON.

Then, the main point is that for Holy Spirit to know Gods mind means He is FULLY CONSCIOUS and Jesus point was about creature limitations mind.

So what you are telling us now is that Jesus lied that only one person know, when there are TWO PERSONS that know ?

No! Jesus is not a liar like those who lied against God and His word.

The fact that you haven't proof the scripture wrong that Holy spirit is a PERSON is a testament to this.

Understand Jesus point first.

Janosky:

Emusan LYING miscreant wan change Matthew 24:36, the words spoken by one of his 3 deities.

I'm not Watchtower that change scripture to suit their doctrines.

Emusan DON'T HAVE ANY TRANSLATE of God's word to his name, your organization does.

Janosky:

Genesis 1:27 & Matthew 19:4-5, Did Jehovah God created Adam?

Adam was God's first born of the human family.

Jesus is the first born of EVERY CREATURE,"BORN OR CREATED" according to your AI.

Carry your IBERIBEISM komot from this forum jare.

He couldn't still understand even AI, shows how deep he is empty up there

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant, did you post this
AI download of Colossians 1:15 ?
" Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED"

Every first born is preeminent in your Bible. Genesis 49:3, Oga go & verify.

Please stop grasping straws.






According to Emusan AI download of Colossians 1:15 , Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be BORN OR CREATED"

Every first born is in his Father's image, character etc.

This meaning is applicable to the writer's mind.

Your AI Colossians 1:15 debunks your FAULTY interpretation of Colossians 1:16-17.

Emusan dey play


The issue with you Emusan's Trinitarian people is lack of simple comprehension crowned with polluted doctrine"

Despite my reading a plain English from what AI wrote, this JaNosense still find it hard to comprehend

Very shameful

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse I am a Christian(group name).

MaxInDHouse I abandoned the group name.

MaxInDHouse the name was abandoned because Jehovah cursed the group name.

MaxInDHouse it was abandoned because other Christians bastardised the group name.

MaxInDHouse those who use the group name Christian should think twice.

MaxInDHouse those who bear the group name don't belong to Jesus Christ.

MaxInDHouse I didn't say I am not a Christian.

MaxInDHouse I didn't say God's organization are not Christians.


Finally,

MaxInDHouse do you belong to Jesus now since you want us to admit you are a Christian and bear the name CHRISTIAN?

Says a lot about pure delusion!

MaxInDHouse:
OK your job is to go about exposing lies but i wonder why you've not been following others who are contradicting themselves.
Are you saying they're all saying the truth?

I do!

Or you're blind to see my other post on Nairaland?

MaxInDHouse:
OK Sorry! Sorry!

I'm not forcing my beliefs on you just as billions out there claiming they are worshipers of God aren't forcing their beliefs on you so if you feel mine doesn't suit you you're free to WAKA PASS.
No wahala!

You dare not in the first place something that your father the Devil can never try.

Exposing your lies and manipulation is the key.

Watchtower never gave a SPECIFIC DATE which makes them the true followers of Jesus Christ

And at the same tine "The same Watchtower put Jesus return as 1914"

Pure delusion at its peak

Aemmyjah:
Let the light shine!

The light has already been shinning since Jesus came to the world. John 1:5

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry if it's paining you but i'm no more in that quagmire with you so continue looking for your type with whom you will exchange insults!

Pained!

How can your delusion be painful?

Only a deluded person will keep going back and forth without direction, yet thinking he is making sense!

achorladey:
He said he didn't answer you with a YES or NO answer like the hypocrite that he is.

That's the same person calling me asiere, asinwin, mad, insane for answering his YES or No answer over serving the same God or not.

We all know he is back to his vomit.

He wanted to hide under ABANDONED

I bursted that!

Now, he is looking for where to hide.

MaxInDHouse:
You just like deceiving yourself.

Which DATE did Jesus began ruling in heaven?
Which DATE was Jesus born?

God's Holy Spirit only reveals the time Jesus was born and the time he will start ruling (no date) but as for the end of all badness that's what Jesus said he doesn't know.
If he doesn't know when he will start ruling in heaven he wouldn't have told his disciples what will happen when he becomes king in heaven nah!

Oponu....

You're the one who claimed Watchtower are true followers of Jesus Christ because they NEVER picked ANY SPECIFIC DATE

The same you claiming today now that 1914 which is a SPECIFIC DATE WAS from the same WATCHTOWER...

shameless lying liar

MaxInDHouse:
The rest is Story my guy.

English dictionary has told us what Firstborn is all about it has to do with children and part of them so if there are creatures the FIRSTBORN of creation is one of those created!

Still arguing against his own evidence

Isn't that delusion?

Just say you decided to give the term FIRSTBORN your own meaning that was never found anywhere

achorladey:
See the liar and manipulator running from pillar to post to rope his religious organization into your madness and insanities peddling brains.

Didn't we show you repeatedly your religious organization kept using

Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses despite you telling us you have abandoned the name and leave to faithless miscreant. Now you ask Emusan to show you where God's organization left the group name.

When I say madness and insanities peddling dey your brains you will say it is abuse and insult

I wonder oooo

I was even the one who provided a screenshot of where Watchtower boldly says "Yes! We are Christian"

Even when I provided the screenshot, he never make any sense from it.

Very shameless person

achorladey:
The lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains won't end today.



That's why you created a thread titled Christians and Jehovah's witnesses what is the difference?



From the above

1. Boomark is a Christian while

2. MaxInDHouse is a Jehovah's witnesses


because MaxInDHouse believe Boomark has turn his back on Jehovah and didn't stick to all what Jesus taught..

Q. E. D. MaxInDHouse you are not a Christian


Emusan knew very well you will lie and manipulate your own words when caught lying with your madness and insanities peddling brains.

cc: Fxmasterz, Courz

The most astonishing part is how he won't even see anything wrong in all these.

Since he claims to be a Christian now, and according to him "a Christian too may turn back from following the Way of holiness..."

So, very soon he too can turn back from following the way of holiness (who even knows whether he has turned back since)

MaxInDHouse:
Just as God's organization claimed that Christ was born in the first century but the Jews are still kicking against it till today!

So Watchtower actually have a SPECIFIC DATE

Which means they are not true followers of Christ

MaxInDHouse:
Quote where i said:

"God's organization has LEFT the group name CHRISTIANS"

First a of all, you agreed now that to LEAVE is to ABANDON.

I provided the screenshot earlier.

You used "WE (Plural)"

Who are the WE?

1. You and your family only
2. You and your family with people in your hall
3. You including ALL JWS worldwide?

I know you have no shame but I've told you, stop disgracing yourself on a public forum.

MaxInDHouse:
If this is what you prefer:

Most excellent; most distinguished or most exalted.

This means there are many that are:

Excellent
Distinguished
Exalted

So AMONG them one is the MOST.

Meaning the firstborn according to the English dictionary is part of the children or those being born!

The fact is according to the English dictionary, the term FIRSTBORN never has anything to do with CREATE....As this has been established.

So, what is the meaning of FIRSTBORN as used in the scripture for Jesus.

The only part that goes with the dictionary meaning you provided is at that @color part which means the writer of that verse never has Jesus as being CREATED in mind but of something else which will actually mean the @color part

Glad your dictionary meaning shield more light on this.

achorladey:
Wants to clean up his tracks


What was cursed, abandoned and bastardised is now what you peddling crying and wailings to be associated with.


The many lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains.


That was how he wants to deny insulting and abusing people about their faith.

Very shameless lying liar jws.

See how he wants to spin the narration...

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

@ Bookmark

Here you go!

Emusan knew very well that i never said JWs aren't Christians himself and his cohorts were just agitating for nothing!

Can you imagine the shameless lying liar!

You claimed YOU HAVE LEFT the name.

So, what does it mean to LEAVE SOMETHING?

He is now silent on ABANDONED

MaxInDHouse:
Restoration began in the year 1914 with Christ Jesus leading his people out of false religions! Revelations 18:4

The same Watchtower that never gave a SPECIFIC DATE according to you suddenly uphold the SPECIFIC DATE 1914

When the belly is full of lies at the opening of the mouth only lies will be coming out.

MaxInDHouse:
Did i answer your question with a

YES or NO?

You can't answer because you already put yourself in a trap.

Shameless is your trademarks!

Please quote where i said:
"we have ABANDONED the group name (CHRISTIANS)" oya

Quote me anywhere!

So you can continue crying and wailing!

Shameless human being....

You claimed you have LEFT the name!

What is the meaning of ABANDONED again...?

@achorlady, Courz come and see something...

MaxInDHouse:
I don't flow with ENGLISH LANGUAGE because that's not the original language inspired writers used to pen down the scriptures

Then we should be discussing in GREEK since that is the only Lang we have as the original lang New Testament was PENNED DOWN for now.

So what is the Greek meaning of FIRSTBORN?

but since you kept emphasizing on ENGLISH and it's simplicity that's why i said let us check the meaning of FIRSTBORN in any ENGLISH DICTIONARY of your choice.

Yes! because is a general lang and what we have been using to discuss and it's evident that you lack simple comprehension of it.

So it's obvious you know that you're wrong because you won't even wait for me rather you could have rushed in with what the English dictionary says.

You throw in the challenge and I'm waiting for you to present whatever you have.

According to Oxford ENGLISH DICTIONARY the word FIRSTBORN means first among children:

• The first child to be born to a parent or family.
• Born as the first one in a family, flock or the like.
• Most excellent; most distinguished or exalted among others. Oxford Dictionary

Good!

Do you notice the @color part?

So where did English dictionary equate FIRSTBORN as FIRSTCREATED?

You're not using Col 1:15 to proof Jesus is the FIRSTBORN as result of Mary giving birth to Him but as GOD'S FIRST CREATED and no English Dictionary ever equate FIRSTBORN AS FIRSTCREATED. You see why I said you lack simple comprehension in English.

I said it early that FIRSTBORN has always being used for HUMAN but we see God using the same TERM but not as giving birth but IN POSITION/RANK.

O ma se oooo

See how you just exposed yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
So you can't quote where i specifically said:

"MaxInDhouse is not a Christian"

Guy stop running to conclusions instead try to always engage people in person to know what they meant.

Emusan who kept asking that question knew better than you do because he knew i will never ever say i'm not a Christian but he was manipulating gullible followers like you who are inexperienced.

I am a CHRISTIAN but i won't agree with others who aren't ready to engage themselves in the work Jesus assigned his disciples that they are my brothers in Christ.

Shameless is your trademarks!

You said "...Whosoever claimed he belongs to CHRIST under the OLD CURSE AND BASTARDIZED name(Christian) should think twice

Not only that you also claimed Jehovah has given you people a NEW NAME and the reason you ABANDONED THE NAME CHRISTIAN.

But here you are going back to your vomit.

O ma se oooo

Below are still your word for words

In fact, one of the screenshot shows after the jargons and your delusion, someone has to ask you "Are you really a Jehovah witness?"

@Courz
@achorladey
@otenearon

Janosky:

" Jesus is First born of every creature " NOT first born of the uncreated.
Adam is in whose image?
Jesus is in whose image?
Trinity nah scam.


Emusan,in your family is your POSITION/RANK higher than the first born?

What is the POSITION/RANK of the first born of God?

Oga,Continue to deceive yourself.
What a dunce!

Without wisdom and understanding couple with disjointed and incoherent sentences despite years of schooling him on Nairaland.

Mr continue to deceive yourself, hear again.

The term FIRSTBORN AS USED BY APOSTLE PAUL was explicitly explained by the same Paul in the same Col 1:18.

Jesus was not the FIRST person the scripture will use the term FIRSTBORN for in regard to POSITION/RANK

Not only that, the reason Jesus must be FIRSTBORN (PREEMINENCE - the actual meaning of that word is because Jesus MUST BE FIRST IN ALL THINGS.

If Jesus is the FIRST CREATED (the term scripture never used for Him) then there's no NEED FOR HIM TO BE PREEMINENCE OVER ALL THINGS again

DLNT: "And He Himself is the head of the body, the church. ... Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, in order that He Himself might come-to-be holding-first-place in all things"

GW: "He is also the head of the church, which is his body. He is the beginning, the first to come back to life so that he would have first place in everything."

MOUNCE: "And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, in order that he might be preeminent in everything."

This verse alone proved that Jesus was never part of Creation but when He became part of Creation, He then MUST TAKE FIRSTBORN (SUPREMACY) in ALL THINGS.

I've rehearsed this several times to you people's dull skull.

Even AI understood it and interpret it that way.

Look at how AI explained the verse below.
See that it gave two meanings to the phrase "FIRSTBORN of every creature" but the part that you people always cling to, it inserted Col 1:16-17 to shows that meaning isn't applicable to the writers mind.

The issue with you people is lack of simple comprehension crowned with polluted doctrine.

MaxInDHouse:
If you're not ready to agree with the ENGLISH DICTIONARY on the word FIRSTBORN then why are you claiming it's SIMPLE ENGLISH?

I agreed with English dictionary I'm just showing you your hypocrisy because if it suits you agreed with the same human philosophy but if it is against you, you called it just human philosophy.

So, bring in your English dictionary of firstborn!

Jozzy4:
"The Son " doesn't exist before he came to earth.

The Son is a TITLE giving to the ETERNAL WORD of God who became part of the Creation.

ETERNAL LIFE/WORD OF GOD is almighty nor created.

He was just an ordinary person going by your logic

No! He was ETERNAL LIFE/WORD OF GOD.

Jozzy4:
Matt 24:36 mention Jesus and every person that existed in the universe, where is holy spirit in that verse ? This is why not knowing automatically means it's not a Person.

Only one person knows , and that's the Father

Every other person that exist doesn't know.

So it's either , holy spirit - another person, knows and Jesus lied

Or holy spirit isn't even a person to begin with hence the total lack of mention

Pure lies.

Only a person have the ABILITY TO KNOW and the scripture says Holy Spirit KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD.

MaxInDHouse:
FIRSTBORN in any ENGLISH dictionary of your choice.

Please we need it now!

Funny enough!

Now directing me to dictionary the same you who claim I'm using human philosophy the other time.

The term FIRSTBORN was used for people who are not THE FIRST BORN IN THE FAMILY in the scripture that is the perfect example you need.

Not only that, Col 1 expressly explained the THE TERM FIRSTBORN as used for Jesus. "...So that he MIGHT became FIRST in ALL THING"

Sorry, if Jesus was the (FIRSTCREATED the term never used for Him) then no need for Him to still come AND BECAME FIRST AGAIN IN ALL THING.

Very simple English understanding.