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Jesusloveyou:
The counsel to the fake pastor should refund his money back to him, he is too dull to be a lawyer.

To dull to what.

I hope you follow all the tribunal proceedings.

If you did not, kindly go back and read the tribunal proceedings from last year

My ambition to set Osun free from bondage, bad governance, Omisore replies APC

Stop distracting Osun people from reality of your failure, Omisore tells APC

Leave me alone; face reality of your maladministration, poverty of ideas, Omisore tells APC.

Former Deputy Governor of Osun State and the governorship candidate of the party in the 2014 governorship election, Dr Iyiola Omisore, has maintained that his ultimate ambition for seeking to govern the state is predicated on the determination to set the state free from the economic bondage and bad governance foisted on the state by the ruling All Progressives Congress (APC).

Omisore, who was reacting to a press statement by the APC, that his governorship ambition had become delusional, stated that while he would have loved to maintain his silence and allow the people of the state, who have been thrown into hardship, abject penury and financial insecurity by the Rauf Aregbesola government, to speak for themselves, his desire to stand for the people, would not let him.

In a statement made available to newsmen by his media office, Omisore, who represented Osun East Senatorial District between 2003 and 2011, said but for the need to set the records straight and to ensure that the APC did not continue to distract the people and divert attention from pressing governance issues in the state through needless “anti-Omisore press releases,”  he would not join issues with Kunle Oyatomi, “a man who has been turned to a lap dog by Aregbesola to attack Omisore.”

The former lawmaker called on the APC to focus on governance by ensuring the payment of the backlog of salary arrears owed workers and the unprecedented failure of its government at the state and federal levels to deliver on electioneering promises several years after people entrusted them with power.

Noting that he was happy that Osun APC even agreed that he [Omisore] had status and experience in politics, two attributes which he said were lacking in Oyatomi’s sponsors and which have made them to run the state aground in the last seven years of APC administration in Osun State, the former deputy governor called on the “Lagos Harvesters in government in Osun State” to stop using a stooge to distract the people from the reality of lack, deprivation and backwardness that their shameful and callous agenda to harvest Osun State’s money to Lagos, has thrown the state.

“At this point, the APC should really know that its deception game is up; but since it is the season of advice, I don’t think it will be too much to advise and APC, the Lagos Harvesters in Osun State government, to look elsewhere for topics to distract Osun people from the reality of their catastrophic seven years reign in Osun State.

“The PDP and the APC have tested their popularity with the electorate in Osun State for 17 years and the people have always decided in favour of the PDP, even if their decisions were not allowed to stand because the APC had a well-oiled rigging machinery and could buy just anything, even the judiciary, as the case with the document-faking victory that brought Aregbesola into office in 2010 and the massive rigging of the 2014 governorship election.

“Now, the people want performance and not talks; the people want food. They want good roads and not abandoned projects despite billions collected as loans. Osun State people want employments; not menial jobs without pay like OYES. The people want a secured future; not the gloomy, preposterous and unsecured future Aregbesola has created for the state as a result of his lack of knowledge about governance and massive debts, which even an agency of the APC-controlled Federal Government, NEITI, recently put at over N100 billion.

Omisore noted that he was surprised that the APC and its leaders had become blinded by their wickedness so much that they could not differentiate between psychological trauma occasioned by loss of elections and the ones occasioned by the poverty of ideas and directionless governance, which they have visited on the state, saying: “I am happy, however, that they also agreed that Osun people have become immune to lies; so, the people know whose credibility has been destroyed and who threw them into psychological trauma between Omisore and the APC government.”

http://swiftreporters.com/my-ambition-is-to-set-osun-free-from-bondage-bad-governance-omisore-replies-apc/

Summary as it happened in the court today.

The sitting commenced at exactly 9:15am with the usual introduction of all counsel to parties present in court to the panel of judges headed by Justice Ahmed Badamosi.

Counsel to the petitioner Yusuf Ali (SAN) starting deliberations suggested to the judge's to grant all counsel's 20 minutes each to make a brief summary of their final written addresses and 5 minutes each to all respondents to reply, this the judge final granted.

Yusufu Ali (SAN), "My lordships we seek your permission to withdraw the application we filled on the 27th of March 2017 concerning the case of the final address but rely on the one filed on the 28th of March 2017 against the 2nd respondent. This the judge granted by withdrawing the motion filed as identified by the lead counsel to PDP.

1ST RESPONDENT (INEC)

The lead counsel to INEC asked the judge to dismiss the petitioner's case on the grounds that the petitioner called only just 21 polling unit agent which is small to prove their allegations, he also pointed that the way the petitioner's gave their evidence through their witnesses, the administering of the form EC8A and EC8B while citing section 128 of the electoral act explaining the irrelevance of ticking on the voters register either to the left or to the right.

The counsel tried so hard to convince the judges that the noncompliance of the INEC officials to the electoral guidelines without breaching the electoral law shouldn't be an issue for the petitioner to build on as an argument. He added that INEC's refusal to call witnesses shouldn't also be a burden to the petitioner, since they called their witnesses to substantiate their case.

Conclusively, he adopted his address and called on the judge to dismiss the petitioner case because he described it as a compound error.

2ND RESPONDENT (OBASEKI)

When it was time of the 2nd respondent represented by lead counsel Wole Olanipekun (SAN), he charged the judge to dismiss the petitioner's case.

He asked to withdraw the motion filled by them on the 29 & 30th of November 2016, this the judge obliged by granting the dismissal of that particular motion. The written address was dated 23rd March and 1st April respectively. He adopted his case and called on the judge to dismiss the petitioner's case.

He argued that there is no basis for this case because he doesn't know who the petitioner is.

He admittedly opined that he isn't aware of the ballot paper recount. In his words,

"My Lord I am a counsel in this case and I am unaware of the petitioner's claims concerning the ballot papers recount, my Lord where are the exhibits?" Olanipekun added.

3RD RESPONDENT (APC)

Lateef Fagbemi (SAN), he began by bringing some issues to the attention of the panel of judges, motion dated and filed 30th of November 2016, the motion dated and filed 1st of December 2016 challenging the petitioner's reply, another motion dated on the 22nd of March 2017 but filed on the 23rd of March 2017. He later craved the indulgence of the judge to adopt the submissions of the 1st and 2nd respondents and also all his motions. He went further to say that the petitioner's case violated all laid down principles of the law concerning electoral issues. "My Lord there is a great difference between calling witnesses and tendering evidence. What the petitioner has done is only calling witnesses without tendering evidences." He called on the judge to dismiss the petitioner case on the ground that it's a carcass which lacked substance.

He also accused the petitioner of not itemising in clear terms the distinction between over voting, recounting of ballot papers and those lost from lack of accreditation. "My Lord the figures from these different areas ought to have been displayed in their charts, this they failed to do.

He concluded that the case be quashed and dismissed.

COUNSEL TO PETITIONER (PDP)

When it was the turn of Yusuf Ali (SAN), he indicated that these activities happened:

Document Date and filed November 2016 seeking to dismiss the reply of the 1st respondent.

Document dated and filed 1st of December 2016 asking the tribunal to strike out the reply of the 2nd respondent.

A counter affidavit and written address, dated and filed 2nd December 2016 in opposition to the 2nd respondent motion of 30th November 2016.

On the 2nd of December 2016, another counter affidavit and written address filed against the motion of 2nd respondent for the dismissal of our petitioner filed on the 5th of December, this the counsel pleaded that these applications be struck out, which the judge granted. The document dated and filed on the 5th of December 2016 against the motion filed by the 3rd respondent on the 1st of December 2016. He then moved that the judge should strike out the replies of all respondents.

I thereby adopt the written addresses of the petitioner and pray the judge to grant the prayers of the petitioner, even the respondents all agreed to this fact through their various submissions.

"My Lord this is an unusual petition been fought by using usual but crude methods, it explains the fact that this is a 21st century case been challenged with 18th century arsenal by the respondents." He then cited the ruling of the Supreme Court over total compliance with the electoral act.

My Lords before I go further, I will like to educate my learned colleagues with what I call the 10 Commandments, which are as follow my Lord:

1. All the allegations of noncompliance with electoral act were all made against the 1st respondent (INEC).

2. By virtue of the petition, it's only INEC that can answer.

3. The respondents all agreed that the 1st respondent failed to bring any witnesses to substantiate their case by deciding to blow a noiseless trumpet.

4. Exhibit PO 3(91) is a subsidiary legislation bound by law, which is the electoral manual.

5. The 2nd respondent agreed with the petitioner, expressed their dissatisfaction over the conduct of the election as stated in paragraph 812-817 of their reply.

6. I made bold to say that we demonstrated all documents admitted as evidence in this petition even using PW01 who happens to be the petitioner Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu, he gave a graphical illustration of how the election was marred with irregularities in the areas been challenged.

7. The case between Wike Vs Peterside, the Supreme Court decision in the case was concerning the Voters register not Card reader. He added that the Voters register is embedded in the law but not for the Card reader.

8. Buhari versus Obasanjo, the case of using that authority by the 2nd respondent clearly contradicted the use of documentary evidence to illustrate this case, which the Supreme Court has decided over. The case was not founded on any case of ballot snatching which makes it peculiar.

9. My Lord we all know there was ballot papers recount, which took place inside the court premises. Even in the worst case scenario, the 1st petitioner still proved that they won majority of the votes.

10. Ngige Vs Obi (2006), the issue of charts was stated as very sacrosanct, my Lord we even went further help the court draw a chart which my Lord should carefully look into and use it as a basis for the dispensing of unbiased judgement.

On the issue of name of the petitioner, it was the party that sponsored the candidate not the candidate sponsoring himself, the identity of the 1st petitioner is not in doubt at all in this instance.

Y. Ali (SAN) added that the use of CPC Vs INEC was wrongly applied as an authority which was cited out of context. The electoral manual 2016 was the certified document which enforced the issue of ticking to the left and right.

Furthermore, the Ngige versus Obi (2006), LWLR Part 330, Page 1041 particularly (1138-1139), is an example. Using this authority, since the tribunal has all these results, it's duty bound to do a computation on how the different parties scored their votes.

My Lord, there is great merit in all complains of the petitioner, on this ground, the petitioner should be declared winner of the election.

The court erupted in jubilation. It took the clerk to restore order.

The Tribunal Chairman Rulling:
After the judge had adopted all final written addresses of all parties, he informed the court that the date for final judgement will be communicated to all parties.


Good evening all once again.

engineerboat

The Edo State Governorship Election Tribunal Today after the last Adjournment.

At today's all counsels to both the Appellant and Respondents submit their written brief and addresses.

The Edo elections tribunal today adjourned ruling in the petition brought before it by the Peoples' Democratic Party, PDP, and its governorship candidate in the 2016 governorship elections, Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu.


The PDP and Ize-Iyamu are challenging the declaration by the Independent National Electoral Commission, INEC of Mr Godwin Obaseki of the All Progressives Congress, APC winner of the election.

The adjournment came after Counsel to the Peoples' Democratic Party, PDP and its governorship candidate, Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu, Yusuf Ali, SAN, asked the tribunal to rule that Ize-Iyamu is entitled to be declared winner of the 2016 governorship elections in the state.

Ali's arguments were based among others on several motions and counter affidavits which he presented before the court as well as the written addresses which he adopted even as he called on the tribunal to strike out all the applications by the respondents.

Ali had impressed it on the tribunal that all the allegations raised by the petitioners in their petition before the tribunal were in actual fact against the INEC and as such only the INEC can answer them. 

He said that whereas INEC did not call a single witness to defend the allegation against them, none of the respondents pleaded that the INEC manual labelled as an exhibit was for the training of only Its officials.

He also argued that the fact that the second respondent Mr Godwin Obaseki expressed dissatisfaction with the results of the election in many polling units as contained in his written address showed that the petitioners were not alone in their submissions on the issue.

On the identity of the petitioner's candidate which was raised by the second respondent the legal luminary argued that even the respondent's witnesses had identified Pastor Osagie Ize-Iyamu as the petitioner in the open court.

He said, 'the identity of the petitioner is not in doubt', as he was the candidate identified by even the INEC as the one the PDP presented for the 2016 governorship elections in Edo state.

On the use of the INEC manual he said that, "if ticking is useless the Manual will not say it is relevant", adding, "ticking is to identify the voters and whether or not he has voted in an election".

He also cited a 2016  Supreme Court case between INEC and APC representative, Faleke where the court heard that INEC Manual for election officials and guidelines becomes a subsidiary law when released by INEC before election and as such it must be invoked, enforced and applied.

Counsels to INEC, Obaseki and APC as first, second and third respondents were however united in their submissions in asking the three member tribunal chaired by Justice Ahmed Badamasi to dismiss the said petition. 

Chairman of the three member tribunal Justice Ahmed Badamasi announced the adjournment at the end of the adoption by all parties of their final written addresses at today's sitting.

He said, "the parties after having adopted their written addresses the court will now adjourn to deliver judgement on a date to be communicated to all parties.

We now await the date of the Judgement to be communicated to all the parties.

Good evening Nairalanders

engineerboat.

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frubben:
So the man castigating deeper life did not even make one common sense? If me jam kumuyi one on one with scriptural references he will have a rethink about his doctrines except him wan just dey proud.


All this bloggers self

Try and visit him At DCLM HQ Gbagada any time, anyday, He will give you opportunity to discuss with Him.

You will come back here to tell us your experience.

michaelwilli:
if u knw deeper lifers, u must knw kumuyi.

Papa y u lyin?

Explain Please

sarrki:
In a sane society


Pdp should not even talk for the next 5 decades

Sarrki how you dey.

Why should PDP not talk again.

2014 Ebola Virus find His way into Nigeria, but to the swift reaction of the then Minister of Health and the Cooperation of the Then Lagos State Governor Babatunde Raji Faahola (now minister of Housing, Power and Works)

The Virus was curtailed.

But today Meningitis is rearing its ugly head up and the Gorvenment is not doing anything about it, all because they are still looking for whom to blaim.

1. God will not force his miracle on people.

I find it disturbing when somebody send a mesaage saying refusal to send it mean.........

I just ignore, if its a group i warned the person not to repeat such again in the group.

Some will even gather disjointed message and at the end want you to continue to spread galse message about.

Like the saying goes everybody have right to his own opinion.

So many things comes up in your write up.

But i will like you to be specific on area of discussion.

CatfishBilly:
Did you have to quote the full thing?

Sorry if you are offended.

Sheikwonder:
November 20, 2016. That marks the last time I sat down to write an opinion piece. Between then and now Trump was sworn in as the 45th president of the United States, Cameroon won the Africa Cup of Nations, Arsenal went from being title favorites to well....being Arsenal...not to mention the shellacking Arsenal received at the hands of Bayern a few weeks back...and...MMM crashed...thus it ever was.

I've been somewhat lethargic this year. Despite 'prophecies' from the 'men of God' promising prosperity as well as the usual claims from politicians that things are 'getting better', the reverse in fact holds true. Garri, yes garri, is now a Veblen good! (You won't get that if you aren't a student of economics)
The other time when I tried to get two sachets of garri with a wrap of groundnut, a small packet of sugar and the ubiquitous 'Cowbell' milk, it cost me 300 naira! 300 g**damn naira! Time was, with 300 naira you could take a girl out on a date and pay her transport fare (ok, admittedly I may have grossly exaggerated things but surely you get my drift). Whoever said recession is just a word should try surviving on my monthly stipend. In all of these there are only 2 real winners. The betting houses who have succeeding in clawing away a sizable chunk of what little we students have and Mr Mavrodi....but what do I know?

Given the above, it's easy to see why I'm lax and mostly unexcited. The silver lining here is that I get to do what I haven't done in ages, namely, write. This brings me to the crux of my piece.

I don't regard myself as a religious person. I generally think that religion has outlived its usefulness although I'd be the first to admit that it has brought its benefits. Religion is to society what Arsenal is to football. Won stuff in time past, play lovely football which is aesthetically pleasing to the eye but as everyone knows will almost never bring in trophies. I am an Arsenal fan sadly, so I'd know. In the same vein, religion has in time past been a unifying force. In the words of Marx:

"Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification."

Taken at face value, the above quote seems like an argument for religion. Only if you consider the quotes that follow do you get a proper picture of what Marx actually meant:

"The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.”

You see, when Marx made this statement, he made a pithy observation with regards to class struggle. Religion, he said, was the people’s opiate. Opium back then was known for its soothing and soporific effect. When one was tired of the stress of daily life, he could always fall back on this drug for some mild relief. Of course once under the influence of the drug, you are powerless against the happenings around you and become enslaved. Marx was seeking to awaken class consciousness among the masses whom he called the proletariat. They had become completely blindsided by religion for whom it had become an ”illusory happiness” while been subjected to privation. “Work and pray, live on hay, you’ll get your pie in the sky when you die”.


In our world today, religion has indubitably taken center stage. The Pew Research Center estimates that about 84% of the earth’s population have one form of religious affiliation. This is like saying that in every 5 people, 4 are religious. The three major religions, Christianity, Islam and Hinduism alone account for some 4.8 billion adherents. The quest for “God” has surely taken a new meaning!

My major grouse with religion is that it claims to have answers whereas it creates more problems than solutions. I should know as should the average Nigerian. It is a bit difficult to get accurate statistics on religion in Nigeria, but the Pew Forum in 2010 put the statistics at 52% Muslim, 46% Christian and 1% Other. Basically it is correct to say that the average Nigerian is religious.
I could go on to show in what way religion has ‘transformed’ the Nigerian society. I could tell you that we have at every point on our history been led by religious people, either Christian or Muslim. Despite what they hear in the religious houses, our leaders are on average, crooks! This is no sweeping generalization, anyone can see that, Res ipsa loquitor.

The buck doesn’t stop there, it goes all the way down. Over 3 million Nigerians participated in the failed Ponzi scheme known as MMM. It was advertised in churches! A fraudulent scheme which was promoted in the “house of God”. Pastors encouraged their members, some even took from church coffers to invest in the scheme. Avarice in the “house of God”.
Need I mention Islam? Al-Qaeda, Al-Shaabab, Hezbollah, ISIS, and much closer to home, Boko Haram. All terrorist groups that run on Islamist ideologies. Religion has caused more wars in history than any other thing. This is a verifiable fact.

We have heard of different cases where religious buildings collapse due to negligence and people die. Does the government hold the religious leaders culpable? No. They do not want to risk the wrath of their many followers who are valuable given their voting influence. In fact, the same followers will say “Touch not mine anointed…..”. Religion, not the law, reigns supreme.


Every year, we hear prophecies from “men of God”. Apparently “God” revealed the future to them. At the end of the year the disparity between the prophecies and reality are as far apart as east is from west. Yet followers will blindly defend these religious leaders to the death. For every failed “prophecy”, it was “the will of God”. Oh really?
We are told about how people get “healed” at crusades. People with supposedly incurable diseases like cancer and HIV get “spontaneous remissions”. Hallelujah! Yet for every one person who gets a “healing”, there are thousands with common ailments who leave the crusade grounds disappointed. “You need to have more faith” the pastors say. Indeed. Isn’t it rather convenient that “God” only performs “healings” on crusade grounds? He is omnipotent, and omnipresent. Surely with “faith like a mustard seed” one need not go as far as Ogun State to get “healed”. Then again, you must remember that if the “men of God” perform their “miracles” on the streets, the people would have no reason to go to church to pay their offerings and the usual “10%” called tithe.
I will not talk about the irony in giving 10% to “God” while your children cannot afford to attend schools owned by your church. Or the joke in having 5 of the 10 wealthiest pastors in the world coming from Nigeria while 60% of Nigerians live on less than a dollar a day; ”in everything give thanks”.

Our thinking has become completely warped by religion. We select our leaders not based on merit but based on their religion. So we must have a Christian/Muslim ticket for the posts of President and Vice-President respectively. So who is going to represent the minority who do not belong in any of those religions?
At work we see religious bigotry in place. He is Muslim therefore he is not fit for the job. She is Christian therefore I will employ her. We sacrifice effectiveness on the altar of religion. Look how that has turned out for us.


I will take it a step further and engage the controversial subject of sexual orientation. The majority of Nigerians are clearly against homosexuality, not based on any concrete reason stemmed in logic but because it goes against their religious beliefs. It is a good thing that some people are beginning to wake up and realize how atavistic and anachronistic it is to base one’s present beliefs and way of life on “holy books” written hundreds and even thousands of years ago. The same religious books that condemn homosexuality are mute when it comes to the subject of slavery. In fact, many slave owners back then were religious people who based their beliefs on these religious books. You only need to see the movie “12 Years a Slave” to get my point. Fortunately, some people woke up and realized that slavery is barbaric and today it has largely been abolished even though other forms of it such as child labor and human trafficking exist today.

Some will argue that religion is the basis for human law and without it there would be chaos. This is an untruth or as they say now, an alternative fact. People are born with an innate sense of morality which is a concept that exists outside of religion. No one is born “Christian” or “Muslim”, they are born human. Environmental determinism says that our environment to a large extent determines who we are. Thus you are likely to be Hindu if you were born in India and Muslim if you were born in Iran.

Our conscience exists as a moral compass to tell us if we are right or wrong. However our conscience is subjective and can be conditioned such that we no longer feel wrong after repeatedly doing something bad. Now a religious person would argue that this is where religion provides rules of behavior whereby if one falls short he is punished by a higher authority who is in this case, God. Yet this can easily be countered by recalling that even terrorists who have knowledge of what their holy books say still go ahead to commit heinous crimes not in spite of their religion but because of it. Ironic.

So no, we don’t need religion. The French philosopher Jean Jacques Rousseau in his social contract theory argues that man being prone to rebellion and wanton desires realizes the need for authority. So he surrenders some of his freedom to a higher authority, the government, who in turn enters a contract with the individual to protect him from his own excesses as well as the excesses of others. The individual must thus obey the law as the law is an expression of the general will. The law having its legitimacy derived from the people is autochthonous and is the standard which all are subjected to. When one person falls short, he must face the music. I do not answer to secondary laws derived from holy books as they are “subjective”. I will not commit murder not because the Bible says “Thou shalt not” but because the law says so. This is one of the problems in our legal system because laws have become subjective; Sharia law in the north and Judeo-Christian laws in the south. How does that even work?

In the end, I hold no grudges against anyone who chooses to follow organized religion. However it becomes an issue when it begins to permeate every sector of life. As Marx says, “Man makes religion, religion does not make man”. For some, the promise of “eternal life” is enough for them. I prefer to live life based on what is, not what will be.

So what is your question

adepeter26:
Am not saying fishes bro. I mean 2 whales, 2 sharks, 2 dolphins.... Do you know how big whales are?? How did he transport them from their habitat to the Ark?

Secondly, concerning the polar bears & penguins, how did they transport themselves??

Hope you are clear with the questions ABI.? (someone asked above, how did the parasites also enter the Ark because if you are a microbiologist, you will understand some are obligate intracellular)....

Whales and shark is their records that they were inside the ark.

Parasites in the Ark.

Hahaahhhaha.

Sorry I will get back please, on a journey, network issue

adepeter26:
I know you won't be able to answer the questions. But guess what? I will give you the benefit of doubt.

I talk am. Engineerboat must pick a fault cos he can't answer it.
Anyways, list down the derogatory statements and insults from the Op

I knew you would never disappoint .

You Only came to Register ya presence and tried derailing by pickin faults

Like i told you ealier on, i will not get engage im abuse with you because of your mindset and choice of language.

But be rest assure.

You read the account in genesis, where was it mentioned that Fishes where put into the ark.

Is the world then like ours today.

Are you telling me we have as many population as then this day.

Are you saying the continent is as many as the 7 as we have today.

adepeter26:
Majority of us must have read how Noah built his Ark and housed all the animals. But somethings about the Noah story doesn't add up and I would need better clarification

My questions now are;
1. How did he get the sharks, dolphins and whales on a ship with no water to live in?
2. how did he get kangroos, koalas and such to come across the seas to the middle east?

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No bashing or insults Pls

This are good questions, that will be answered.

But the way people throw caution to the wind and start making derogatory statements and remarks is a cause for concern.

When this is put to check, certainly i will get involved in the discussion.

adepeter26:
We all sabi Virgin Mary wella for Bible.

we all knew how she got pregnant via the holy spirit and conceived Jesus. Most defend and believe in this holy spirit like kilode.
Majority of Christians also go as far as shouting "THE POWER OF GOD IS GREAT", "THE POWERFUL GOD" etc....

Now my question to the Devoted Christian Guys and Men on NL and worldwide is:

Many people believe what has been written in the bible.



- Would you ve believed the holy spirit impregnated her knowing fully well that God is still the same god yesterday, today and forever. God is still alive, performing miracles, signs and wonders.?
- Would you Ve questioned the holy spirit since things of the spiritual cannot be understood by mere physical intervention?


And to the Devoted Christian Ladies and Women on NL, Can you just become pregnant via the intervention of the Holy Spirit without any sexual intercourse with a male counterpart


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Hmmmmm.

Since you have decided to come out this way. Know for sure that i will not join you to discuss on an issue, while you keep dishing out derogatory remarks on God and those you are discussing with

If you want us to have robust diacussion on this issue, derogatory remarks on persons must be out.

When this is done. We will discuss

Nebuchadnezar:
why are you calling my name anyhow?

Hahahahahaha

I never know someone bear that name on Nairaland.

So sorry about that.

I was referring to Nebuchadnezzar in the Bible

Seun:
Scientists have a pretty good explanation about how planets came to exist, in the aftermath of the big bang. If you aren't convinced by their explanation, that would not mean the Bible's account of creation is true. The honest position would be to say that you simply don't know how the earth came into existence. It is ok to say you don't know when you don't know.

What brings about the bang.

Where did the bang comes from.

Its just like saying you dont exist. Or can you describe your conception to delivery the minutes by minutes how it happen

LiberaDeus:
Its people like you that makes christians and religious people generally look stupid.

This is the daftest comment i have read in a long while.

Now i have a challenge for you,
hold your breath for 30 minutes and come back and tell me that God exists.
Christard

Simple comprehension, its now a problem.

I never said anybody would die.

Its you people that's making your conclusion.

adepeter26:
Now, when we say, "employ" maximum of the brain, you will say "no".

Even the stories narrated by ya Jesus in the form of parables, what were they? Weren't they fictional ideas? Did the prodigal son ever existed?


Think, think bro,i say think

Did Jesus walk on water.

Did he open blind eyes

Did Jesus raise up Lazarus

Did he healed the leper

Are those fictions to.


Are you a human being. Do you exist.

By your analogy you don't exist

adepeter26:
I don't know why you hold so much esteem to biblical stories that is full of fictional ideas, casts and characters.

Fictional you say.

That means you are not a human beeing right now. Because somebody told you that you are a human being and you believe that.

But accordinh to your analogy you are not a human, you dont even exist at all. Is that correct.

Now how so you convince me that you are a himan being

highscript:
instead of you to follow that moroniç bible verse that says "If someone slaps you on the right cheek,
offer the left cheek also"
I insulted your father, why can't you describe your mum so as to insult her too.
Omo Jesu ode

Nebuchadnezar also said the same thing to the 3 Hebrew children.

He eat grass till he comes back to his senses

jimmyjenseng:
There's no point having this discuss with you.
I can't waste my time on someone like you.
smh.

I will not descend so low to abuse you, because thats what you are looking for.

But know for sure ighehin ni ye oloku ada.

jimmyjenseng:
How does this relate to the request made?
You claim your god answers your prayer right? And I asked that you pray to your god to heal the amputees where I live and also heal my friend's mother. Is that too much?

Am also telling you how God answer those that did not believe He exist

highscript:
don't make reference to something that happened 3,000 years ago ...talk of what happen few years back, Adolf hitler can represent pharaoh etc

Paul breathing opening his two eyes to ask Christians about who is their.

Am very sure you know how God dealt with him till he come back to ask, he stricken blind "God am so sorry"

Is that the experience that you want

highscript:
don't make reference to something that happened 3,000 years ago ...talk of what happen few years back, Adolf hitler can represent pharaoh etc

Why wont i make reference to it.

Infact Nebuchandnezar said who is that God.

Am sure you know how he end his life, even b4 that am sure you know he was eaten grass like animal until he come back to hia senses that God really exist. Is that what you want

jimmyjenseng:
Also, my friend's mother suffer from quadriplegia. I hate to see her - my friend - soak her pillow with her tears. All she needs right now is a miracle. I would appreciate if you pray to god to heal her mother now.

Pharaoh was once in your situation but because he did nit believe there is God. Pharaoh also said "who is that your God". Am sure you know the end of his life.

adepeter26:
Seems ya comprehension skill is lacking...

Calm down and read this again:

i understand you like KILODE, loud and clear.

just do it please, come back to comments please, do it, please do it to tell God that he does'nt exist

adepeter26:
Back then as a Christian, i use to be scared of death but not anymore.

2) Satan doesn't exist either.
3) I can never, i mean never voluntarily kill myself in my right state of mind.

you directed to a thread.

where you summarized that Satan always rescue those forsaken by God.

SO you dont believe in satan again. then why directing people to that thread.

are you afraid to die, that its just a simple way to who God that he doesn't exist naaaaa

adepeter26:
Your god doesn't exist.

But if you think he exists, then respond to the link i shared above. Visit the link and read its content

I've read its content.

that is why i said hold your breathe for 30 minutes, so that satan can rescue you