₦airaland Forum

MabraO:
It's a pity taniods no get sense
Common sense should tell u who is who. Bad is bad, dont give another name.
Why creating a similar moniker with the reference to @Barcanista.
Wots so special about using ur monicker
Common sense is indeed not common

barcanista:
pastorapostle@gmail.com

barcanista:
Nairaland management need to look into this issue and protect the image of forumites. As in Nai®aland is too big to condone such a thing.

barcanista:
The moderators with due respÉct should have acted on time.

barcanista:
Thanks for drawing my attention. Ecoterrors has earlier informed me and Í petitioned the Moderators (Lalasticlala, Ishilove and Obinoscopy) through the Report button but they are yet to act. If the PDP comrades decide to create "clones" of pro-APC posters, this forum won't be habitable for anybody.

@Lalasticlala and Ishilove, please do justice to avert a situation where the victimised will take laws into their hands.

MabraO:
Agreed we cursed Jonah daft didn't u guys curse back?
Why e come dey pain una?

MabraO:
Don't be bitter ehn
U just an hypocrite. Dats all

Cannonleo:
did that dude just say we hired mercenaries.cant u guys understand the difference between a mercenary and a PMC

Cannonleo:
did that dude just say we hired mercenaries.cant u guys understand the difference between a mercenary and a PMC

MizMyColi:
I understand your angst and your point.
Smmh...

Why do I suddenly feel like I'm building castles in the air?

Nadheer15:
You ought to say "What the army did 6 weeks to elections when GEJ was president"

patriot4:
Nigerian army destroyed boko haram terrorists when GEJ (from the PDP) was president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RweAXHbZ4xk

HBB1:
Oga I'm in the North-east with an artillery division ( I don't live on nairaland). U don't have to be patronizing, you know, I have read your other posts... I believe you are pro-GEJ and it's blinding
you to reason. If our army is well equipped as u want to believe, then nobody has to fuss about arms acquisition as we currently are. I don't have to convince u I live in an army barracks- that's your wahala.

HBB1:
Oga I'm in the North-east with an artillery division ( I don't live on nairaland). U don't have to be patronizing, you know, I have read your other posts... I believe you are pro-GEJ and it's blinding
you to reason. If our army is well equipped as u want to believe, then nobody has to fuss about arms acquisition as we currently are. I don't have to convince u I live in an army barracks- that's your wahala.

patriot4:
I disagree. Because of my knowledge of the world of research I believe that such would not take too long. As for the number of countries which produces missiles, I do not have that number, neither do you. It is my belief that this kind of enterprises would be kept secret. Besides don't expect countries like libya which are constantly under turmoil to have the time and investment for such projects which require real planning. The world is full of saboteurs (many of whom work for western countries to stop 3rd world countries from archieving too much developpmement), eg: the spies in iran who frequently kill iranian scientists. This is not a matter of textbooks or journals, this is a matter of scientific research. Scientific research is not about reading textbooks, it is about solving problems and building theories. If you place the right guys like what the germans and allies did in ww2 then you will get result. Remember Alan Turing. The germans didn't expect him or anybody to be able to crack their codes in that little span of time. But that is the magic of scientific research: the breakthroughs.

ionsman:
This change is sweeter than orgasm......

patriot4:
Ok, image123, let me give you something simpler:
build a language and theory which expand that of vector spaces and allow one to devide by 0. and to multiply two vectors.

Image123:
i guess you are getting your own information directly from heaven or what? If SIPRI is not credible enough, give reason and tell us who is more credible, you?
The comparisons has been done already. I went a step further from budget to expenditure. Please, educate yourself on the difference engineering. All my quotes were from actual EXPENDitures. The money we have SPENT/expended are not commensurate with results or equipment on ground. Those that compare themselves with themselves are not wise, I've compared us to other countries, bigger and smaller, African and non African. I've provided the links so you ysee any country and employ any criteria. We've not done well, and we need to start.

Image123:
What is SIPRI?

Image123:
Don't even know where to start with you, it's like teaching physics and someone comes to class who don't know the alphabet. Do i rather ignore you?
Okay, let's talk, what is SIPRI?

socialmediaman:
Warp analysis. Every administration spent on capital projects like roads etc, the problem is, they earned only about 50% of our full revenue because they couldn't control stealing and corruption. On top of that 50% earned, inflated contracts, corruption, pilfering and reckless spending meant the government only spent like 35% of the budgeted funds on the actual projects. This meant that out of about 100% of revenue which should be spent by government, we only see less than 20% on ground. That's why your roads are delapidated, facilities have broken down in your schools, law enforcement cannot function effectively, trains bought by government are ancient and outdated etc, and here you are praising them as achievements.

You have to give this government 2 years and see the difference even with the fallen oil prices... We're not in a hurry, no matter how much you wail, your voices will fade with time because you cannot measure up with the achievements and milestones this present government will make. You will wail to the point that Nigerians themselves will be the ones asking you to stop crying where there's no mourning. Happy wailing ahead!!

Activa:
Who is interested in your APC/PDP nonsense?

Ask me any question about the economy or let me ask you.

I'm not here to joke or for petty politics.

I'm in support of what the cbn is doing. I've given my reasons in earlier posts.

Critique that stand or the reserves and let's slug it out. It's a challenge.

tucky200:
U are that b!tch that's ready to die for jona..when jona was there did it increase ?

Activa:
Another hollow approach to the reserves news just to sound like a critic.

Activa:
Another hollow approach to the reserves news just to sound like a critic.

barcanista:
My Dear, what we are witnesing is BUHARInomics that defies common sense and has no positive to Nigeria's growth. I summarised it here...

The Buhari/Emefiele Situation
1. The CBN has stopped receiving dollars from banks, as a result the banks has stopped accepting dollars at the counter because their vaults are full.

2. As a result of 1(above) the banks also refuse to request dollars from the CBN's foreign exchange reserve. The CBN will then come out to scream "RESERVE IS GROWING".

Image123:
1. i'll be attaching two or so small documents and quoting from them. Anybody that has data and a computer can access these documents, i did not make them up.
2. i love our army(the Nigerian Army), i appreciate all that they are doing, and i pray for their success in their efforts to ensue our peace and unity.
cc: engineerboat


i really don't 'care' if the Nigerian Army spends its military budget on building Redeem Camp or feeding the hungry children in Cambodia. i simply compared our military budget with other countries in the world and commensurate to what we have as artillery/weapons and what they have. Quoting from SIPRI for instance, Nigeria's military budget for 2013(in millions of US$) is 2,419. Tunisia is 759, Benin is 86, Cameroon is 393, South Africa is 4135, Egypt is 4360. It is in comparison with these and many other countries that i am commenting. They also pay salaries and pensions and other expenses, but this is their military budgets, or more accurately their military expenditures. When you compare what we are spending/expending to Cameroon, Chad, Benin, Ghana and co, you will understand the shame why those armies had more clue about what to do than our army did, until recently. Those countries were dealing more effectively with the boko haram threat than Nigeria WAS. Those armies were coming into Nigeria at will and acting like our big brothers and guardian angels. Recently, the Presidency was talking about Ghana controlling Nigerian airspace or something like that. Nigeria was a joke, these are the facts. Nobody should now come and tell us how well we were doing and how we deserve a medal like these things happened thousands of years ago during the times of Nebuchadnezar and Oduduwa.





Please get me accurately, i said we spend "not too far from what Egypt and co spend annually." i also said "We should be better equipped than Egypt, South Africa and any other African country in terms of WANTS and ability." This is different from saying that we spend as much. i said we SHOULD BE, and that we are not too far. My point is/was that if/since we are not too far, our results should not be too far. If we are spending more than 50% of what they are spending, at least, we should have more than 50% what they have, that's the logical and commensurate thing.
Take a cursory look at this wikipedia link at our airforce. You can also search for any other country's airforce to compare, the difference is clear, both on paper, in reality, on the net, and on the ground. What one observes is how much the output of former administrations is very clear and precise compared to the last administration. The last administration was more interested in politicising everything. Take a look at that link and the history of what was bought and done, in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, even 2000s. Compare to from 2010s. No achievement of note, only politics of established Air Force Mobility Command headquarters in Yenagoa, first female pilot following directive by President Jonathan, approaching Pakistan to purchase weapon which is yet to be finalized. These are not impressive at all especially given the fact that we spent more money during these times, and there was a lot of noise about how other previous governments have neglected the army. One would think the people talking did something very impressive, only to discover that they either bought some few and mostly second hand equipment around election time, and complained a lot about how they were being frustrated either by witches or APC or America.



i'm going to quote some 10 countries and their military expenditure in the last ten years. The quotes are attached to this post and can be verified from sipri. Please, compare us with other countries and get a better perspective of where we are and where we ought to be. We have/had money, we are the largest population and biggest economy in Africa. We have/can afford what most of these countries have. Note that the values are in millions of US$.
1. Nigeria 640 674.2 776.2 971 1616 1504 1990 2385 2316 2419 2265
2. Algeria 2802 2925 3094 3946 5172 5281 5671 8652 9326 10405 11862
3. Angola 818 1365 1970 2032 3164 3311 3501 3639 4145 6091 6842
4. Benin 41.8 44.7 46.8 . . 64.7 . . . . . . 78.2 86.0 93.0
5. Cameroon 221 223 257 297 347 343 354 347 354 393 401
6. South Africa 3099 3567 3506 3526 3286 3593 4188 4594 4490 4135 3895
7. Brazil 9780 13589 16405 20486 24453 25649 34003 36936 33987 32958 31744
8. Malaysia 2823 3120 3266 3971 4412 3965 3854 4807 4697 4842 4919
9. Pakistan 3723 4128 4587 4969 5343 5227 5275 5975 6955 7479 7645 8537
10. Switzerland 3504 3485 3329 3525 4098 4056 4115 4974 4592 5053 5229
11. Egypt 2370 2659 2953 3307 3780 4017 4407 4464 4558 4360 4961

If you look through this table and the chart, and see that some of these countries don't even need to spend as much as we do on their military. We are richer than some of these countries, and need to spend more than many of them. So when i say we are not doing well, please don't insult us by saying that we are. And then even with how much we have spent, we should not be in the same league or worse than the likes of cameroon, Ghana, Senegal, Congo and some other African nations. When you look at these militaries and their artilleries, it is not too hard to say we do not have an airforce or a military, APART of course, from out number strength.





Point of correction, our military budget and EXPENDITURE is not dwindling, except dwindling as a new meaning. Also, our budgets and purchases have not been hinged on masses talk or public opinion. Please lets put out politics from this issue and face facts. Even when Nigeria was under mandatory EU or commonwealth embargo, during Abacha's time, we did not whine like this. The last administration had no serious embargo. In fact, thank God for Buhari who just made majority know about any Leahy law, which is peculiar to the US. Despite that, we have spent more money in the past few years with very little result. i attached the other document showing our arms purchases from 1979 to 2014. It showed that the last administration lied about other administrations not buying arms. They bought more arms than the last admistration despite the fact of them spending much more. We have also bought from many countries INCLUDING the U.S



It is not a ludicrous idea to wait a little for diplomatic talks to yield fruits. Nigeria and the U.S just had talks about two weeks ago, its too short a timeframe for anyone to conclude that it was a useless venture when the two parties did not say so but hinted otherwise. If they do not sell, no problem but i expect that they will sell. Look at the second document i attached or make your findings here or wherever else that is credible. In the document, you will see that Nigeria has bought arms from MANY many countries before. We have also bought very well from the US. In fact, in 1987, we assembled some 60 pieces of RV-6 for them. We have done business with them very well even till last year. Also, nothing stops us from acting simulteneously and sourcing weapons from different other countries. This link from wikipedia also shows that the US is one of our suppliers. This one also says that we bought M40s from them. So brother, lets stop politics and partisan arguments. Lets move this country forward. Our military has not been transformed, they need transformation, and we will get it, America or no America.


Sorry the first file would not upload, it is a 500kb excel file, and NL takes 250kb. You can view here, or download here

HBB1:
Guess the soldiers are a bunch of fucking cowards that drop their weapons and run from the bathroom slippers wearing brutes. If they have been routing our army even though we have adequate weapons, nobody has to beg anybody for weapons or try to buy weapons. BTW, I can't tell a T-72 from a Panzer tank, I just know I'm appalled by the tanks that I see, if u can call them that. I've only seen two APC'S in my barracks that are worthy of the army,and the day they used them, a camera crew was following them about like they were made of gold ( I'm sure they posted the pictures somewhere as the standard issue of the army)

patriot4:
The guy doesn't have any presence in any barracks, he is just telling stories. This kind of lie in which people claim to have access to more info than you is unmistakeable and I have seen it done way too many times.

HBB1:
Guess the soldiers are a bunch of fucking cowards that drop their weapons and run from the bathroom slippers wearing brutes. If they have been routing our army even though we have adequate weapons, nobody has to beg anybody for weapons or try to buy weapons. BTW, I can't tell a T-72 from a Panzer tank, I just know I'm appalled by the tanks that I see, if u can call them that. I've only seen two APC'S in my barracks that are worthy of the army,and the day they used them, a camera crew was following them about like they were made of gold ( I'm sure they posted the pictures somewhere as the standard issue of the army)

Image123:
We are both saying the same thing somewhat, and that is "Nigeria needs and wants a good and well equipped army. Our equipment are outdated and not enough." i do not exactly care about GEJ or GMB or OBJ or Lugard or whoever, but since you insist on talking about them, i will talk a little about them, especially in my next post to patriot4. Your thread and OP is trying to tell us that we are equipped, that the Nigerian Army and Airforce are equipped, that anyone is wrong to say that we lack a good airforce. This is where we disagree. We are not well equipped, nobody is saying we don't have some hilux jeep, AK47s and some helicopters. That's all rubbish if you know what a real military is all about. We have the largest population in Africa, and are well able to have a good military, especially compared to what obtains in countries like Egypt, South Africa, Angola, Algeria etc, not to mention Europe or America, or even Asia and the South America. There are more than 100countries from who we can buy weapons if we know what we are doing. Please read my next post, i will talk more elaborate there. Thanks.

HBB1:
Oga, u don win! I would lie because someone will pay me money? Picture this, picture that, abeg! We talking reality u talking pictures, do you know one soldier that gets the said uniform allowance? If the soldiers had enough ammo, why would they complain of being outgunned severally- so much 2 clips can do.