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Binb:
@enilove I have gone through your quotations an I stil could not see where Jesus said you should take him as your personal Lord and Saviour.
I keep seeing 'born again' and 'beleive' but none of these imply taking him as personal Lord and Saviour

To be born again means you will confess with your mouth that Jesus died for your sins and resurrected on the 3rd day to save you.

Someone who saves is a saviour and someone who will judge you based on his standard/laws is your Lord , just like in the law court.

Someone who is a determinant of your eternity is your Lord.

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

delishpot:
I wish they would say these same things if tables were turned. Rather you hear things like women are bitches, bitches aint loyal, women are dogs, women are scum, use them and dump them, dont ever help a woman, bitches everywhere, they are good to be used for ritual, trust a woman at your own peril etc. I have not read one insult on men from start to end of this page. God will judge all of you

But your mother is also a woman and she is not a bitch nor a dog , if not you would have been sold to the herbalist for ritual.

Some men are evil so also some women. Don't generalize it.

Goshen360:
In the old testament, prophecy mean prediction but since the new testament is fulfillment of the old, prophecy doesn't mean prediction IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Thanks my teacher. God bless you.

Abdulgaffar22:
All these terms; BY MYSELF, WHO WAS WITH ME?, BY MY OWN HANDS, ALL ALONE are enough to convince us that God created the heavens and the earth without the assistance of anybody.
For no one creates a
building project without first expressing his
thoughts in a detailed plan (a blueprint). In like
manner, God first created His Heavenly blueprint
for all of His creation, including His foreknown
plan for the ages of human history, before He
commenced His actual creation in the Genesis
narrative.So Proverb 8:22-30 is only a personification of the heavenly blue print that God used in His creation. This biblical passage is not talking about how God used Jesus as agent of His creation. Otherwise, the biblical passage will contradicts all the terms mentioned above.

Who created the birds ?

Man or God.

You may avoid it , but since your Quran tells you Jesus gave life to a mud and it bevame a bird , then Jesus is a creator like his Father , and God is a Creator.

It is what you see your father doing that you emulate.
You inherit the characters of your father.

We children of God are gods , that is why we create things like cars , aeroplanes , handsets, TV , Radios etc.

2nd questions is , which book of the Bible is not corrupt to you.
Your first allegation was , it was Paul that twisted the new Testament , but there are evidences in the old testament that Jesus is not a man like me and you.

If you make a mistake of leaving Jesus for Muhammad , you will have yourself to blame for eternity.

It is only a hypocrite that will not deal with his foundational problems and be concerned about possibility of another persons problems.

Immediately Islam is tabled for examinations , you are always running away and coming back to post the same thing all over again.

I pity you. Even Proverb chapter 8 has a different meaning to you . Remember what Jesus said to end that scriptures :

Proverbs 8:35-36 KJV
For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord . [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

fineboynl:
let us discussed about prophecy? what is a prophecy from a diviner? a future events right? what are the guaranty that a prophecy will occurs? and what if it does not occurs.

if prophecy can be change then its a prediction.

A prophecy is a prediction , it can be Divine ( from God ) , satanic , false or man made.

The owner of a Divine prophecy is God and always comes to pass or be cancelled by God Himself.

Satanic prophecies do come to pass if not cancelled by a higher power than the prophesying.

That of man is most times not coming to pass.

TATIME:
That is exactly what it means but at the same time each man is an intelligent creature on his own so if you're to conform to another mans thoughts,words and actions then it means such a role model has become your RULER your KING your LORD. When majority of others think it's stupid to do so then it has becomes your PERSONAL decision. Hence Jesus will become your PERSONAL LORD. All those who have lived before Jesus will be given the chance to come back and do the same thing else they will be condemned! Right from Abel down to John who baptized Jesus,all of them will be resurrected to come and learn how to please God Almighty through the example of the ROLE MODEL (Jesus). Hence Jesus becomes the savior apart from the fact that all Adam's offspring are doomed and Jesus offered Himself as a PERFECT sacrifice to cleanse that dent,now if you agree to do all that Jesus has commanded then that sacrifice will be applied in your case. But all those who believed they're OK can never meet up with the standard set by the Almighty God for every man and that standard is total conformity to Jesus' thoughts, words and actions. Majority of mankind won't by such an idea that is why Satan capitalised on the inclination of the heart of man to change the concept so that it sounds stupid, yet many saying "i accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior" are just saying so without knowing what it entails. Atheists are saying NO because they don't want anything that will CONTROL their minds as in thoughts, words and actions. Whereas these same people are trying to make others reason like them.

How do you know that all those who died b4 Jesus' birth will be sent back into this world to accept or follow his ways?

Binb:
To follow Jesus means to obey his instructions and follow in his footsteps, not to take him as your personal Lord and Saviour.
Jesus never said that.

Is it not part of instructions of Jesus that we must accept him as our saviour ?

John 3:1-10,16-18 KJV
There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
[2] The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. [3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [8] The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
[9] Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
[10] Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

THESE WERE ACTUALLY SPOKEN BY JESUS HIMSELF.

otiwisdom:
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You are right.
THE FOURTH IS SALVATION.
GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM , IN JESUS NAME.

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onlynaija:
I have been an staunch believer that every Word of God is true and must be guided. I also understand what Jesus has done and has ushered us into grace. I have been a tithe payer while I was still a Secondary School student and has seen what God can do out of true commitment to His will.

My story

On October 1, 2012 been Monday which happened to be the 52nd Independence anniversary of my Country, Nigeria. I was on my way out when a brother saw me and gave me N1000 only. With joy I accepted it since it was a gift not minding the amount, and made up my mind to give more than 10% of it as usual since I usually give more than 10% as tithe. Though the amount will still be small for me to give as tithe by Sun, Oct 7,2012. I decided to hold it until I add more to it than giving such a small amount. This is all happening within my heart since I never shared it with any one.
On Sat night,prior to the Sun I ought to have given the tithe, been Oct 6th,2012 I slept. I was in a revelation and behold, the last Trumpet sounded ( The Rapture), and I did not make it. This is now Sun morning and I searched through my heart to know what could have hindered me, but I found nothing. The Rapture then took place on Sun evening after I had gone to Church without paying the Tithe in the revelation. Then, a voice came from heaven and said that I did not pay my Tithe. I shouted, Lord, You knew that I never wanted to eat the tithe but will be bringing more than it. The Lord said, I did not pay my Tithe. I said again, I wanted to give more, but He said Tithe. He wants me to bring the Tithe first as at when due not in my own time, and not minding what percentage I give that is above Tithe, that I must satisfy the minimum requirement first. He also mentioned that my evangelism life was low.
The tribulation started and loo, it was not easy to go through it. There was one elderly one by my side which I encouraged never to take the mark. It is real. But, towards the end, I did not take it, and they three an arrow towards my heart for the first two times which did not touch me. Then, as soon as the third attempt pierced my heart and blood gushed, a chariot from heaven with a glorious song which I could not remember came and carried me. As I waked, it was after four on Sun morning, been Oct 7th,2012 and I was crying for God's mercies when it was a warning. I went to Church and paid it.
My opinion
Will you because of a mere mortal lose your soul in hell who said that Tithe is not for present age. You have nothing to lose if you pay and God said at the end, you did well for paying even though I don't expect it from you, but you have everything to lose since God requires Tithe from His children. Don't be deceived by saying this or that doesn't pay tithe but is rich, everyone will answer for there soul. All those who don't tithe will miss the rapture. Be warned.

God bless you.

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Binb:
According to the Bible, Moses said in Deuteronomy 4:6 Hear oh Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one
The same message is repeated by Jesus according to the Bible in Mark 12: 28 Hear oh Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one.
So where did Trinity came from? Certainly not from Moaes or Jesus. None of them preached trinity..

Also according to Mathew 19:16 some one ask Jesus thus : Good master what should I do to get eternal life, Jesus replied that he (Jesus 》 should not be called Good that only God deserves to be called Good. And that if he wanrs to get eternal life he ahould follow the commandments. He didnt tell him to take him (Jesus) as his personal Lord and Saviour as many Christians now claim.
He simply ask him to follow the commandments if he wants to enter paradise.

I challenge any Christian to come and refute these clear biblical references.

It is like you only read part of that scriptures. Actually , Jesus told the man that the he should take him as his personal Lord and saviour , contrary to what you quoted :


Matthew 19:16-21 KJV
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is , God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [20] The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21] Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and COME AND FOLLOW ME :

The Bible is not about trinity , it is still one God.

If you follow Jesus , you follow his God and you cannot follow his God without having Jesus Christ as your lord and personal saviour , that is the truth.Whether you believe he is your God or not is not relevant , you will know who he is b4 you die or after you die after following him.


IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH , GO AND OPEN YOUR OWN THREAD , SO THAT YOU DON'T DERAIL THIS ONE.

otiwisdom:
I created this thread for the mountain of fire members.So how was the glorious service today

It was wonderful .

It is a fact that the Christians the powers of darkness respects are those under the Authority of Jesus Christ , and the unserious or sinners are not recognised by the enemies and are therefore powerless against the enemies :

Acts 19:13-17 KJV
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. [14] And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
[15] And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
[16] And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
[17] And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.

I was really blessed by the message. Thanks be to God.

Abdulgaffar22:
Mr enilove, honestly,you are yet to get my point of argument. I did not dispute the fact that Jesus is God according to some certain biblical verses.My point is that If Jesus is truly God, then this fact should be maintained throughout. All these verses such as me human being or any thing He likes. Just like God cannot Kill Himself; In the same manner, God cannot change Himself. He is ETERNAL

The truth is that you don't have to believe in Jesus as God for you to be saved , but must believe he died on the cross for your sins and be born again , that is what will save you or anyone.

Paul did not believed Jesus was the Christ until he had an encounter with Jesus . No one told him b4 he knew who Jesus was. Peter and other apostles knew Jesus was a Messiah and the Son of God. Even if you don't believe he is God , believe his sacrifice and be saved.

Between these TWO PROPTHETS CHOOSE ONE :


JESUS CHRIST who did these things :

Allah SWT says:

وَرَسُولًا إِلٰى بَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ أَنِّى قَدْ جِئْتُكُمْ بِئَايَةٍ مِّنْ رَّبِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّىٓ أَخْلُقُ لَكُمْ مِّنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ فَأَنْفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًۢا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَصَ وَأُحْىِ الْمَوْتٰى بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُونَ فِى بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذٰلِكَ لَءَايَةً لَّكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُّؤْمِنِينَ
"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan: Verse 49)

OR MUHAMMAD WHO DID THESE :

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 510:
Sahib Bukhari :
Narrated Anas:

Allah's Apostle reached Khaibar at night and it was his habit that, whenever he reached the enemy at night, he will not attack them till it was morning. When it was morning, the Jews came out with their spades and baskets, and when they saw him(i.e. the Prophet ), they said, "Muhammad! By Allah! Muhammad and his army!" The Prophet said, "Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned."

Narrated Anas bin Malik: We reached Khaibar early in the morning and the inhabitants of Khaibar came out carrying their spades, and when they saw the Prophet they said, "Muhammad! By Allah! Muhammad and his army!" The Prophet said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." We then got the meat of donkeys (and intended to eat it), but an announcement was made by the announcer of the Prophet, "Allah and His Apostle forbid you to eat the meat of donkeys as it is an impure thing."

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 449:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Al-Bara:

The Prophet said to Hassan, "Abuse them (with your poems), and Gabriel is with you (i.e, supports you)." (Through another group of sub narrators) Al-Bara bin Azib said, "On the day of Quraiza's (besiege), Allah's Apostle said to Hassan bin Thabit, 'Abuse them (with your poems), and Gabriel is with you (i.e. supports you).' "

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Abdulgaffar22:
Mr enilove, honestly,you are yet to get my point of argument. I did not dispute the fact that Jesus is God according to some certain biblical verses.My point is that If Jesus is truly God, then this fact should be maintained throughout. All these verses such as John17:3, John 20:17, Luke 6:12, Mark 10:18, John 14:1, Mark 24:36, John 5:30, John 14:28, etc which tend to prove that Jesus is not God should not be present inside the Bible. The fact that Jehovah witnesses and some other Christians who really believe in the Bible are using these verses to prove that Jesus is not God is an evidence that those verses actually prove that Jesus is not God; not that they only appear to be so. If the non Bible believers are using those verses to prove that Jesus is not God, you may say they lack holy spirit. But this is not the case with JWs and other Christians that believe in the Bible. If Bible is really the word inspired by God, then God must have guided against this confusion. The barrier btw "Jesus is God" and "Jesus is not God" is TOO THIN. The barrier should be very THICK AND STRONG enough to the extent that no Christian should be to claim that Jesus is not God, if truly Jesus is God. But this is not so. For example, Qur'an make the barrier between " Muhammad is God" and "Muhammad is not God" to be very thick and strong enough to the extent that no muslim can claim that Muhammad is God. I hope you have now gotten my message.
Concerning the issue of Hell and Paradise, I believe in two based on the word of God and base on reason. It is not unreasonable to believe that Paradise and Hell exist because God must compensate the righteous believers and punish wicked unbelievers accordingly. Again the issue of Sea that divided for the children of Israel to pass thru is a miracle that does not against reason. A miracle is a demonstration of God's power. But the issue of God becoming a man is totally against reason. One of the great attribute of God is immutablity; For I am the Lord, I change not (Malachi 3:6). The ESSENCE and the NATURE of God cannot change. Why? God did not create Himself since He has no begining. If God is the creator of Himself, then He can remould and change Himself to become human being or any thing He likes. Just like God cannot Kill Himself; In the same manner, God cannot change Himself. He is ETERNAL

I will comment on this when I come back from church.

Thanks.

Abdulgaffar22:
Thank God that you accept that your faith in
Jesus as God is rubbish and unacceptable to
common sense. Now the next question is this; If
God can ask us to believe in something that is
rubbish and acceptable to reason then why did
God say in Isaiah 1:18 as follows: Come now, and
let us reason together?

How do you know that heaven and hell exist , with your senses or with faith in God's words ?

There are some things that you need your senses for and there are things that your senses cannot understand.

For example , it is sense less to think that the Lagos Lagoon would divide into 2 for some people to escape , talk less of a sea to divide for hours for Hundreds of Thousands of people to escape.

When the Israelites saw the sea b4 them and the Egyptians behind them , they thought it was their end .
THIS WAS BECAUSE IT WAS FOOLISH TO IMAGINE ALL OF THEM CROSSING IT TO THE END WITHOUT SINKING AND MADNESS TO IMAGINE IT WOULD DEPART FOR THEIR ESCAPE WITHOUT ACCOMODATING THE EGYPTIANS AS WELL.
But with Moses' faith in God , the foolish idea became a miracle , which the scientists cannot explained till today.

The Bible says in :

1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Abdulgaffar22:
You believe that God almighty can have another God? Honestly no amount of logical and biblical evidence can convince you. It is only God that can do the work. Don't you see the contradiction; God almighty can have another God. It is like you are saying there is a certain number that is greater than infinity. If a number can greater than iinfinty, then infinity is no longer an infinity. Similarly, if God almighty can have another God, then it is no longer Almighty God. This is an issue of common sense.

Yes , to common sense , it is a rubbish and unacceptable , but to the spiritual sense it is a fact and everlasting truth.

What would you call your creator ?

Man or God.

In the Bible you read where God said " let us create man in our own image"... . That personality that was there with God is what to you ?

To you and to us , that personality is God for ever but not God to the Power issuing that command.

Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Also , in the new testament :

John 1:1-6,10 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 10:33-39 KJV
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? [37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. [39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


JUST TAKE YOUR TIME AND READ THESE SCRIPTURES.

Abdulgaffar22:
Mr enilove, pls are you also saying Jesus is Almighty God? If yes, can God Almighty have another God when Jesus said "my God and your God" in John 20:17? If no, then we have two seperate Gods. This is polytheism.

Yes , Jesus is also Almighty God . An Almighty God can have God . It is not polytheism . The reason being like this :

We are ruled by Muhammad Buhari , but working with Buhari are the vice President ( other executive arm ) , the parliament and the judiciary.

These are working for the same goal and for the same people.
Despite all these , Buhari is still their head.
If this is working for the earthly kingdom , how much more for the heavenly kingdom , from where we receive the inspirations to govern .

Jesus Christ is not equal in Power , Authority and in everything you can think of , when compared with His Father . He also told us this that his father is greater than him.
And at the same time Jesus Christ is God Almighty to us , because he created us and every other thing by the instructions of his Father.

This is not an assumption , it is Biblical and the Bible is God's book and perfect in all ramifications.

Revelation 1:8,17-18 KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY. [17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

AND AT THE SAME TIME , IN THE NEXT CHAPTERS , JESUS CALLED GOD his God :

Revelation 3:12,21-22 KJV
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. [21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. [22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

To us , Jesus is God and our Creator and he is not contending neither can he contend with God his Father. That is why we pray in the name of Jesus to God Almighty.

The Bible is real , that was why GBENGA Adeboye was sent back to come and bring his Bible and hymn book. This happened and it is a parable for those that can reason.

IT IS STILL THE SAME ONE GOD ALMIGHTY , WE SERVE AND WORSHIP.
SAME LIKE THE EARTHLY GOVT.

Op, I am expecting your reply.

I would like to ask also , why are your members always walking bare footed when in their white garments ? Is this scriptural ?

budaatum:
Good. You have clearly defined how two separate entities can be seen as one. It is when the two distinctly separate entities are united in "harmony, sameness, unity, wholeness".

So let us not wrongly fudge the demarcations for the sake of our beliefs, no matter how strongly we may wish to hold unto to them.

You are right.
That is why I don't just accept anything or doctrine , simply because I am a christian . Anything short of love and that cannot be established Biblically , I don't accept it , no matter the gain.

Thanks.

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That is why people hate the religion.

It teaches lawlessness. How they think they are serving God by these their acts is what baffles me.

Something will happen one day which will make them or the government to barn them. Let's wait and see.

Lawless and violent religion. Islam hates peace and harmony.

budaatum:
You may accuse me of whatever you like, enilove. The fact remains that my son is not me. And I would not have to delegate power if we were one as it would be taken for granted that we are one if we were. The fact that I have to delegate the power is sufficient evidence that we are two distinct separate entities, be it my son or the vice president. If not, my son would be representing himself at his school on parent's day. Now wouldn't that save me taking a day off for the tiny blighter!

Yes , you and your son are two separate people , no doubt.
To be oneness with someone means , to be in harmony , sameness , unity , wholeness. That is , to be completely united with someone.

The Bible says in :

Matthew 19:5 KJV
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh.

This is what oneness is about . They are two but one in love, purpose and objectives.

Very soon, you will grow older and whether you like it or not , you will delegate authorities to your children. They will be in charge of your assets. Even if you don't want to , you will be forced by the society.
You can't be facing your tenants yourself. Even if you contract it to an agent. Your company is your child's.

Even in the office , you have to delegate assignments , jobs , authority and even power , to get things done effectively and efficiently. But as the head , you take all the blame or credit for their actions .
As it is in heaven ,so it is on earth.

budaatum:
This is not true eni! The vice president only wields power at the mercy of the President and can not say anything and it becomes law unless it has been agreed by the president, nor does the president delegate power such that the vice president can go about speaking as if he were the president. If that were not the case, you'd truly have two presidents who, if they do not agree on policy, will be squabbling amongst themselves. And the fact that "delegation" has to occur, which involves a letter from the president saying so is enough to denote the clear separation of the two distinct offices and persons.

As to one's father's property being one's property, this is untrue also. One's father can always will his property it to charity and there isn't much the son can say or do about it. And then there's the case of one's father's certificates. If one's father is a qualified doctor, lawyer or accountant, the son does not inherit the right to practise in these fields despite them being 'properties' that the father wields! He'd have to go to school if he wishes to.

I do wish it were not so though. I'd get to save a lot on sending my son to school!

Stop beating about the bush.
The President can delegate his authority to the vice and the vice would exercise this authority just like the president. That is constitutional. In the absence of Buhari who is in power?
Delegation means consent or agreement. Since I made mention of that , why saying no and twisting what I said.

As per the father's properties , why would the father will his properties away unless his does not love the child or the child is disobedient. But this is not the case with Jesus.

The Bible says in :

Matthew 3:16-17 KJV
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


If you love your son and you are pleased with him , you will be happy to give him all you have. You will be happy seeing your clothes on him . When he drives your car , it would give you joy.
You feel happy blessing your son because he is your son.

Abdulgaffar22:
The phrase "ONLY TRUE GOD" used by Jesus implies that apart from "THE FATHER", all other Gods or gods are FALSE. Now do you accept Jesus as a FALSE GOD?

You lack simple understanding . According to your physical knowledge who can to these things written below ?

Allah SWT says:

وَرَسُولًا إِلٰى بَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ أَنِّى قَدْ جِئْتُكُمْ بِئَايَةٍ مِّنْ رَّبِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّىٓ أَخْلُقُ لَكُمْ مِّنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ فَأَنْفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًۢا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَصَ وَأُحْىِ الْمَوْتٰى بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُونَ فِى بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذٰلِكَ لَءَايَةً لَّكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُّؤْمِنِينَ
"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan: Verse 49)


The ONLY TRUE GOD is the Father of Jesus . This makes Jesus the Son of the ONLY TRUE GOD and like his Father Jesus is also the only true God .

This simple thing is hard for you to understand because you are a SLAVE .
What you need to be free from slavery is to ask we Christians for directions and not to teach your masters , which will only lead you to eternal damnation .

Allah SWT says:

فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus: Verse 94)

THAT WAS THE MISTAKE OF MUHAMMAD , HE REFUSED TO ASK QUESTIONS . THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED TO HIM:

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 618:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Sahl bin Saud As-Sa'idi:

When the helmet broke on the head of the Prophet and his face became covered with blood and his incisor tooth broke (i.e. during the battle of Uhud), 'Ali used to bring water in his shield while Fatima was washing the blood off his face. When Fatima saw that the bleeding increased because of the water, she took a mat (of palm leaves), burnt it, and stuck it (the burnt ashes) on the wound of Allah's Apostle, whereupon the bleeding stopped.

You see the life of your prophet?

Jesus is no fake , it is Muhammad and Allah that are fakes.

Abdulgaffar22:
Osinbajo is NOT a president but VICE president.So what are you trying to drive out? Are you saying vice president= president? Besides, can God Almighty have a vice ? Are you saying Jesus is the vice or deputy of God?

You are wrong. Osinbajo is a president but second in rank to the president while the senate president is 3 rd in rank to the president. The Two are Presidents but one is higher in rank .

Whatever the vice President does is deemed to be done by the President.
The President can send his vice to represent him at an occasion .
Whatever Osinbajo says becomes the law and would be seen as being spoken by the President himself since the President has delegated that authority to him.

There is a delegated power and residual or retainable power .

The same goes with a father son relationships and even deeper .
Your father's properties are yours if you are the only begotten son. All the command your father has over his servants , you have as well , as long as you are doing your father's will.
You can give a command to your fathers workers and you can punish them , and no one can question you .
Yet , it is your father that is responsible as long as you have his consent and he loves you dearly. You will exercise your fathers Power and authority.

Jesus said in :

John 11:39-48 KJV
Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
[40] Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
[41] Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
[42] And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it , that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
[43] And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
[44] And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
[45] Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.
[46] But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
[47] Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
[48] If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

Abdulgaffar22:
Why all these Christians behave like this? I did not dispute the fact that Bible says Jesus is God. My point is that the same Bible also says Jesus is not God.But If you say I am wrong, then take your time and answer all the questions under those 8 verses I quoted above to prove that Jesus is not God. Especially respond to the analysis under John 17:3 quoted above.

I want to ask you this .

If Oshibajo ( vice president of Nigeria ) says Muhammad Buhari is the ONLY PRESIDENT that can direct Nigeria righty, does that mean Oshibajo is not a president ?

I know you will avoid this question as usual.

BigBashiru:
It's holy hatred. I hate Satan with holy hatred. I hate mfm wiv holy hatred.

You are a fake .

Why don't you leave MFM alone and hate Islam that is killing Christians everywhere.
That is a known enemy . If actually you hate Satan , you will face Islam with your prayers and energy.

Stop deceiving yourself , you are not a christian .

Shelumiel:
If Christ has delivered you , then you will not be using hate speech against anyone or any group of persons. But that is not the case here: you still have hatred; which means you are still in bondage.

YOU ARE RIGHT , HE NEEDS SERIOUS DELIVERANCE.

BigBashiru:
U know there's no fellowship in mfm ur just consoling urself. How many ppl in ur congregation have u prayed for in the last 6 months? Do u even know wat their burdens are? Paul and Timothy shared their burdens. Or do u just come to church bind devils of ur fadas house and go home.

Mfm has d highest numbet of single mum and divorcee attendees. Wen wives rebel against dia husband's dey attend mfm5and pastors don't care. All dey care is die die die die die by thunder due by fire

Where did you get your data from? Have you attended all the churches in Nigeria?

All the members of my church and those I know are all HAPPILY MARRIED.

I don't need to sound my trumpet , God knows I pray for my family, neighbours , extended families, Nigeria , Israel , MFM, G.O. of some churches and our G. O. This I do almost on a daily basis and not biannually .

Stop these allegations and concentrate on your salvation. This church is a true church of God, this I know .

BigBashiru:
I hate mountain of fire because they hate Christ and are they are ignorant children of Satan bound by fear and selfish fools.

The bible says the wicked shall not stand in thine sight thou hatest all workers of iniquity. I hate den because dey hate God.

This means you lack love for your fellow human being.

If MFM is praying against demons , since demons hate God , why are you accusing them of evils , when you are a hater of your fellow human being because you feel or think they hate God?

Are you not an hypocrite since you also hate some people ?

The truth is , you are a fake christian.