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Seun:
Is the God who did all those terrible things in the Old Testament different from the God that Christians worship?

How are those things terrible?

Can someone sow evil and expect to reap good?

God is had His reasons :

Leviticus 18:26-30 KJV
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: [27] (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
[28] That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
[29] For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
[30] Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.

Even the Israelites were not speared whenever God was passing His judgements.

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tartar9:
Stop contradicting yourself:

"The God Almighty should be able to show Himself as the Almighty . It would
be an insult if Satan and his demons to do extraordinary things in form of
signs , miracles and wonders and the Almighty will be looking"

Is not a contradiction .

Omuneizzy6:
The forty days fasting program organized by the Redeemed christian church of God (RCCG) has kick started today being 11th January 2018.
FASTING TIME
* All workers and full members are to go from 6-6
* Children 6-12
* Nursing mothers 6-2
* Patients under medications 6-12.
* Animals 6-12
Also it should be rounded up with assemble either with family members or in the church...
PRAYER POINT
Thanking God in advance for what he will do in this year.
Thanks.....

Why including animals in the fast?

tartar9:
It should be the biblical Jesus AKA God







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EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though
not permanently).

....his followers continued his work,making daddy proud murdering millions in his name throughout the course of history

Nigeria has killed many people in wars and in pursuits of peace and justice . Would it not be termed an act of Ignorance to begin to list the name and numbers of those killed and jailed ?

There is no nation that has not fought wars in the past and Israel is not an exception.
Judaism is not Christianity .

Christianity is all about peace , love and Divine justice.

This is what we follow:
Matthew 5:38-48 KJV
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [40] And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
[41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
[42] Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so?
[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Psalm 34:13-16 KJV
Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. [14] Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. [15] The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. [16] The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

Originakalokalo:
Humans are being controlled by some spiritual forces.


Else, no one will believe or follow a religion from a person of Mohammed.

My apologies for this comment.

The devil is really at work.


I pray in Jesus name that all our Muslim brothers will be liberated and their eyes opened to see the light.

Amen

It is an insult to compare Jesus with Muhammad. That is the plain truth, you might not believe for now.

The right comparison should have been between SAUL and MUHAMMAD.
I will still choose Saul over muha!mad.

tartar9:
What will the antichrist do?

The anti Christ and the false prophets are one , which is the devil himself making use of the false prophets as beginning of his works to destroy the gospel of Jesus.

1 John 2:22 KJV
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

The miracles of the anti Christ is not now but it will be after the second coming of Jesus Christ.

tartar9:
"What are the signs and miracles"....really.Thats all you could impute!
What an intellectually sterile religion xtianity must be.
Is there any faith or religious beliefs that doesn't claim signs and wonders for its progenitors? no wonder you guys keep hunting to be fleeced by the guy with the biggest bag of magic tricks.
As for your information,He(SAW) performed innumerable amounts of such feats and we don't even see that as primary evidence to believe in Him(SAW).





Don't even bring up that usual nonsense that He(SAW) performed no miracles.

The God Almighty should be able to show Himself as the Almighty . It would be an insult for Satan and his demons to do extraordinary things in form of signs , miracles and wonders and the Almighty will be looking .

If Muhammad did not make claim that the God of the Jews and Christians is Allah , no one will be bothered or I won't be bothered .
Right from the time God called Abraham , He has been showing Himself to be a miracle working God.

God told Abraham that He will perform a wonder that would make everyone to know He is the Almighty the Creator of everything , thereby leading people to Him.

God performed miracles in the lives of Abraham, Moses , Elijah, Jesus Christ etc. which no other gods can do .
When the people asked Muhammad , he just gave a funny answer as excuse.

I believe the God of the Israelites not the powerless Arab god.

It is only God that created the sea that can give it His command and it will obey:

Exodus 14:21-22 KJV
And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land , and the waters were divided.
[22] And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground : and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.

Matthew 8:24-27 KJV
And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep. [25] And his disciples came to him , and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.
[26] And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
[27] But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

Muhammad himself testified that :
Volume 9, Book 92, Number 379:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "There was no prophet among the prophets but was given miracles because of which people had security or had belief, but what I was given was the Divine Inspiration which Allah revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will be more than those of any other prophet on the Day of Resurrection."

And those things he called Divine inspirations were nothing but satanic inspirations .

Abdulgaffar22:
Imagine you are invited by a friend to accept a religious faith claimed to be very rich in spirituality. But one of the fundamentals of this religious faith is to acknowledge that the salvation plan originally design by God to save the humanity from the fire of Hell would later require the same God to commit an act of lying. Would you just accept such faith because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning? Now tell me the difference between this imaginary faith and the Christian faith which also compel us to accept that the salvation plan originally design by God to save the humanity from the fire of Hell would later require the same God to curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul almost naked on the cross at Calvary. Therefore, if you reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are telling us to believe the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. As God is naturally known to always tell the truth and never to commit an act of lying for any greater purpose; He is also naturally known to always bless the innocent and righteous soul and never to curse the same soul for any greater purpose. God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to suffer for one reason or the other. But God would never "curse" an innocent and righteous soul for any reason whatsoever. This is because a god who could not devise a way to save those who believe in him except to curse and condemn an innocent and righteous soul is either not truly merciful or not truly omnipotent or not truly omniscient. Yet to believe in the existence of such a god is one of the fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become a serious and devoted Christian. Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an 4:157-158). In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.ln fact, Bible confirmed that this very prayer of Jesus was answered by God :During the day of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrew 5:7NIV).If this prayer of Jesus was only heard but not answered by God as some Christians use to claim, then the phrase “because of his reverent submission” in the verse quoted above would no longer have any reasonable meaning. In fact, the King James Version of the Bible ends this verse with “and was heard in that he feared (Hebrew 5:7KJV).Of course, what Jesus feared was death on the cross. Hence, if Jesus was heard in that he feared, this implies that he escaped death on the cross. Therefore, an illogical and contradictory concept of "a merciful God who could not see any other way of saving those who believe in Him except to curse and condemn His only beloved and innocent son on the cross of Calvary" is completely far away from the truth.
The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity (and at the same time exonerate Jesus Christ from being under the curse of God) is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

You have choice to choose btw believing the Bible and believing Quran .

John 3:14-21 KJV
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

But why would you choose to believe a man like Muhammad?

What are the signs and miracles he showed that made you to believe such a man?

tartar9:
GENESIS

3:16 Cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband.
12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife.
19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels.
19:26 Lot’s wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god.
19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk. (So much for
“family values”!)
20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife – again.
25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK.
EXODUS

20:17 Wife as property.
21:4 Wife and children belong to master.
21:7-11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex.
Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set “free” without
payment of money.
22:18 Kill witches.
LEVITICUS

12:1 Childbirth a sin, Women unclean after childbirth.
15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean.
20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual
transgressions.
21:7 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees.
21:9 Burn daughters.
21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not “used” woman.
NUMBERS

1:2 Census lists only men – women do not count.
5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only.
30:1-16 Woman’s vow invalid unless approved by her father or
husband.
31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
CH 12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses.
DEUTERONOMY

20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder.
22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride.
22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim.
22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim’s father compensated
for depreciation of his property.
25:11-12 Cut woman’s hand for touching foe’s penis.
24:1-5 Man can “send” wife from HIS house. Man must not marry
“used” woman.
28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed – eclectic “pro-life”
verse!
JUDGES

5:30 Women are spoils of war.
14:20 Samson gives wife to another man.
16:1 Samson visits prostitute.
CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered.
21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for
wives.
21:21Abducted girls for wives.
RUTH
Ruth shags Boaz.
1 SAMUEL


15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock.
22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock.
21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women.
2 SAMUEL


5:13 David took many wives and concubines.
CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister.
16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father’s concubines.
6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness.
1 KINGS

11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
2 KINGS
9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel.
2 CHRONICLES

15:13 Put to death unbelievers.
11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines.
ESTHER

CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting “bad”
example to all other women.
PSALMS

51:5 Sinful since conception.
127:3 Sons are heritage from god.
137:9 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks.
PROVERBS

CH 5 Beware of wicked women!
CH 7 More of the above.
6:24 As above.
31:3 Do not waste strength on women.
ISAIAH



3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women.
4:4 Filthy women.
13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants.
19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians)
EZEKIEL

9:6-7 Slaughter all including children.
CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity…
CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters – reads like the script of a
pornographic film. I bet you weren’t told this story at Sunday school!
HOSEA



13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another “pro-life” verse!)
NAHUM

3:4… wanton lust of a harlot… prostitution… witchcraft.
3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face!
3:13… Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh)
MATTHEW

5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband
for the same?
CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins.
LUKE


2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus.
2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother.
1 CORINTHIANS

11:2-10… Woman created for man.
14:34 Women must be silent in churches.
EPHESIANS

5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.
COLOSSIANS

3:18 Wives submit to husbands.
3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything.
1 TIMOTHY


2:11-15 Woman must not have authority…she must be silent. Women
can be saved with childbearing.
5:9-10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints’
feet.
1 PETER

2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh.
3:1 Wives submit.
3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.
REVELATION

CH 17 Destroy great prostitute.
14:4…they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves
pure.

You are correct, it is not bad ;

For women to be submissive to their husbands. A woman can call her husband "master" to show respect.Women should also be discouraged from prostitutions .

It is Wrong for a man to beat himself or to hate himself.
The bible says husband and wife are one and we should love our wives and not beat them or call them dogs.

Allah SWT says:

الرِّجَالُ قَوّٰمُونَ عَلَى النِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلٰى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَآ أَنْفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوٰلِهِمْ ۚ فَالصّٰلِحٰتُ قٰنِتٰتٌ حٰفِظٰتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَالّٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِى الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ۖ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."
(QS. An-Nisaa: Verse 34)

Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him."
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 498:

Narrated 'Aisha:

It is not good that you people have made us (women) equal to dogs and donkeys. No doubt I saw Allah's Apostle praying while I used to lie between him and the Qibla and when he wanted to prostrate, he pushed my legs and I withdrew them.

Can any sane person call his wife a dog? Why should someone compare a human being like himself to a dog?
If a man is one with his wife, he should not beat her but treat her like part of him.

Colossians 3:18-20 KJV
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
[19] Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
[20] Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.

Ephesians 5:28-31 KJV
So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
[29] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

I have question for you.

Why did Muhammad compared women to dogs?

abbey621:
It is now that I confirmed you are mentally challenged! You've started going off topic just to find something to ease your failed reasoning. The topic here is that Muslims no matter how unholy will go to heaven and I rebutted that with the caveat that they genuinely repent before their death and ask for forgiveness. I have proven you wrong because all you see is the words but you lack the meaning or interpretation. It is clear you have nothing of value to say.

Now let me entertain your madness:



FACT 1: There were no Christians before Christ but we did have people of the book.
FACT 2: Before Christ, the Old Testament(The Torah and Injil) were the holy books with the most authority.
FACT 3: These books vastly differs from today's Bible.

Hence if you used your brain to reason instead of your eyes, it is easy to know that the passage above was directing him to confirm the revelation(Quran) with what was written in the Old testament(Torah and Injil) and if you believe today's Bible is the same as the Torah or Injil then you are smoking cheap weed.

Furthermore you made mention that he slept with his son's wife and you are absolutely correct but is this supposed to diminish from his authority? Do you fully understand the circumstances? Do you know the difference between adopted son and blood son? Do you understand the meaning between a divorced wife and one still married to you? I thought I could reason with you on a scholarly level but you keep disappointing yourself at every turn, when it comes to Islam, the likes of you cannot lecture me and when it comes to Christianity you will fail at it also because a scholar is always seeking knowledge and enlightenment while people like you need to be told what to do and are nothing but a flock of sheep with no sense of direction!

It is an empty barrel that makes the most noise.
Who made you a scholar ?Scholar in lie fabrications?

The Injil is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Muhammed had a copy of the Bible as at then , where are those copies of the Bible, if the one he was referring to was not the same we have now ?
It least the Arabs had copies , why haven't they brought them out?

The Bible says in :

Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

What could be more shameful than marrying ones adopted son's wife ? To worsen the situation, zayd had not divorced his wife when the revelation came to muhammad. What is there to say again about who Muhammad was? This is morally repugnant to a sane mind.
Then Allah concluded that there is now no problem for Muslims in marrying their adopted Son's wives. What a shame. Was that their problems?

That shows clearly we Christians are not serving the same God with you . God is not a confusionist.

There is nothing Muhammad cannot do for sex , nothing.

There is always a great diff btw a child and a slave.

abbey621:
You are still on this crap after explaining to you vividly that both sections were written by the same person? You are still exhibiting stubbornness even when I gave you a link to show you Abu Abdullah is more authentic than you!

I am still trying to decipher what you mean by: Even the narrator, Abu Dharrs ,was not pleased with Abu Abdullah for adding to what Muhammed told him. That is written there for everyone to read.

Where did you get this crap from? Every time you make this argument, it makes you look uneducated. I'll attempt to enlighten you once again but this time from the Quran:

Quran 25: 68-70:

And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty.

Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated -

Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.


This is from the Quran, greater than any Hadith. You can continue arguing with yourself trying to win a battle you CANNOT win or you can simply accept that you are not as wise as you think and seek ENLIGHTENMENT!

Did I dispute about the writer ?
You claimed I was wrong in the hadith I quoted , why can't you show everyone where I was wrong?

The best thing I expected from someone who is honest is to accept his errors or mistake . But I know doing that would amount to discarding the authenticity of the hadith.

When talking about scriptures and things of God, you and all the Muslims in the world put together should keep quiet when a Christian is talking so as to learn from him.
If Muhammed was instructed to learn from Christians and Jews concerning Allah's revelations to him who are you to say you want to enlighten me ? Moreover , you a slave , you can't know the mind of God my Father,

Allah SWT says:
فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus: Verse 94)

Lastly, did Muhammed not commit unlawful sexual intercourse by sleeping with his Son's wife?

Allah SWT says:
وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

You need to be humble cause you know nothing about this Islam.

abbey621:
Are you serious? Tell me you are joking? Hahahahaha , my brother ignorance is a disease! Stop jumping at every information you see on the internet and instead start searching for true enlightenment. Firstly, you do realize that the Hadith is not direct words from Allah but an interpretation of what the Holy Prophet SAW did and said during his lifetime. Furthermore, Abu Abdullah is better known as Al-Bukhari, ask any Muslim scholar and you'll get the same response, he is known as the author of the most authentic Hadith collection, so it blows my mind when a simpleton like you could insinuate that he just made up his own interpretation It's quite silly really, LOOK AT THE BOLD PART OF YOUR WRITE-UP, you have no clue of what you are arguing as evidence by your RIDICULOUS assumption that the Hadith Volume 1, Bk 93, number 579 and Volume 7, Book 72, Number 717 differs in their message even though they were written by the same author. It's like going to church and a pastor is revealing the meanings of some parables in the Bible and you shout, "Pastor it says cut off your right hand, so I have to cut it off", SILLY!

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2017/05/27/Who-was-Imam-Al-Bukhari-the-most-famous-Muslim-to-documented-Islamic-hadiths-.html

I understand where you are coming from, you so desperately want to disprove a theory that you are willing to jump at the first conclusion, you are not the only one, the news media does it all the time but please in all you do seek WISDOM!

Just post the hadith I quoted and compare them here for everyone to read.

Muhammed said that sinners will go to heaven in the hadith I quoted as long as they believe there is non that should be worshiped beside Allah , period.

The hadith you quoted included another person's opinion , no matter who he was , that is the truth.
Muhammed himself did not say " if the persons repents b4 his death .

I know the next option for you is to start to reign abuses. But for the sake of others who wants to know the truth , here are the hadiths :

You quoted this:
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 717:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Dharr:

I came to the Prophet while he was wearing white clothes and sleeping. Then I went back to him again after he had got up from his sleep. He said, "Nobody says: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah' and then later on he dies while believing in that, except that he will enter Paradise.' I said, "Even It he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft." I said. "Even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft? He said. 'Even If he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft," I said, 'Even it he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and thefts.' He said, "Even If he had committed Illegal sexual intercourse and theft, inspite of the Abu Dharrs dislikeness. Abu 'Abdullah said, "This is at the time of death or before it if one repents and regrets and says "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. He will be forgiven his sins."

Now compare with what I quoted:

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Dharr:

The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Is the diff not what Abu Abdullah inserted ? Even the narrator, Abu Dharrs ,was not pleased with Abu Abdullah for adding to what Muhammed told him. That is written there for everyone to read.

This is even another quotation from bukhari
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 445:

Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet said, "Gabriel said to me, 'Whoever amongst your followers die without having worshipped others besides Allah, will enter Paradise (or will not enter the (Hell) Fire)." The Prophet asked. "Even if he has committed illegal sexual intercourse or theft?" He replied, "Even then."

alBHAGDADI:
Thanks for this.

All those trying to claim that Muslims can enter heaven without Jesus really need to see this post of yours. They don't know that Islam states that Thieves and fornicators will enter heaven. Perhaps, a paradise where 72 virgins are given, not the Heaven where the True God resides.

You are the one that needs to thanked.
God bless you bountifully , in the name of Jesus.

Keep up the good works. All your threads are always inspiring.
Pls stay blessed

abbey621:
You are giving Christians a bad name all over the world, imagine the rubbish you wrote? Just one bible verse makes you look ridiculous:

Matthew 5:17-20

17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

LOOK AT THE BOLD PART AND TELL ME IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS CLAIM!

Whenever you quote a verse from the Quran or Hadith, try and quote the entire context, don't cherry pick it makes your point BIAS! HERE IS THE FULL QUOTE:

Narrated Abu Dharr:

I came to the Prophet while he was wearing white clothes and sleeping. Then I went back to him again after he had got up from his sleep. He said, "Nobody says: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’ and then later on he dies while believing in that, except that he will enter Paradise." I said, "Even It he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft." I said, "Even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft? He said. "Even If he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft." I said, "Even it he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and thefts." He said, "Even If he had committed Illegal sexual intercourse and theft, in spite of Abu Dharr’s dislikeness. Abu ‘Abdullah said, "This is at the time of death or before it if one repents and regrets and says ‘None has the right to be worshiped but Allah’, he will be forgiven his sins." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 717)

From the bold, you can see that this is for those that repents before they die, something similar is in the Bible; STOP THE IGNORANCE!

Am I the one that wrote that hadith?

I quoted Volume 1, Bk 93, number 579 , just the way it is in the Bukharin. But you have gone to pick another a different volume, a diff book and a diff number.
Why didn't the compiler of the hadith put them together but separated them.

Let's see who is wrong btw you and I.

YOU QUOTED:

Volume 7, Book 72, Number 717:
Sahib Bukhari
Narrated Abu Dharr:

I came to the Prophet while he was wearing white clothes and sleeping. Then I went back to him again after he had got up from his sleep. He said, "Nobody says: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah' and then later on he dies while believing in that, except that he will enter Paradise.' I said, "Even It he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft." I said. "Even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft? He said. 'Even If he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft," I said, 'Even it he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and thefts.' He said, "Even If he had committed Illegal sexual intercourse and theft, inspite of the Abu Dharrs dislikeness. Abu 'Abdullah said, "This is at the time of death or before it if one repents and regrets and says "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. He will be forgiven his sins."

I QUOTED :

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:
Sahib Bukhari
Narrated Abu Dharr:

The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

ANALYSING THE ABOVE.

Muhammed said in your quoted hadith and the one I quoted that " Nobody says : None has right to be worship but Allah and later on he dies while believing in that except that he will enter paradise....."
That is the direct statements from Muhammed to Abu Dharrs.

But the Hadith you quoted included another person's statement , that is , Abu Abdullah, who did not receive any message from Allah. It was him that added
" This is at the time of death or b4 it, if one repents or regrets and says.,,,"
Muhammed who got the revelation did not include that in what he told Abu Dharrs , who was not pleased with Abu Abdullah for including it in the hadith you quoted.
This clearly shows that , volume 1,bk 93, no 579 is more valid that what you posted.

Who then is mango picking?

ollah1:
How can someone who has a higher being superior than him be God of Gods, King of kings?

You made your choice and you are free to do so
What's the difference between Christianity and Islam ?

This isn't an argument

The difference between Christianity and Islam is that ; Christianity is about worshipping a Holy God in truth and in righteousness.
But Islam is about worshiping a Holy God in sin and unrighteousness.

The Bible says:

John 4:23-24 KJV
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH.

But the Hadith says:
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:

Narrated Abu Dharr:

The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."


God is not hungry about worship , he is a HOLY GOD.

The plan of Satan is to destroy as many as possible. As long as someone is in sin, he cannot make heaven but hell.

sirxbit:
Is that all?
My friend go and get ready for hell
Stop deceiving urself with scriptures

Hell is not my portion , no matter what you say, it is written:

Lamentations 3:37 KJV
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

But since your desire for another person is evil , the decree of the Lord shall be established upon you, unless you repent.

Revelation 13:10 KJV
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

sirxbit:
U are deceiving urself
Who cum one go?
U are candidate no1
Devil right hand man
Hellfire caretaker

That is your portion , in the name of Jesus.

Psalm 109:17-20 KJV
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
[18] As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.
[19] Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.
[20] Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the Lord , and of them that speak evil against my soul.

ollah1:
Loads of people have given life to things. That isn't new. God comes in form of man as Jesus makes no sense absolutely. Secondly, times without number he talked about an higher being who gives him instructions on what to do and how it will be done. He also asked him to forgive them as his last words.


Convert to Islam, believe in Muhamad and pray to Allah
Convert to Buddhism and pray to Buddha

This not about argument.

Jesus has a father who higher than him, that I have explained.

I was a Muslim, I now know the difference btw Christianity and Islam.

We can continue to argue for the next Twenty years without any result.
Just ask your Creator for direction.

ollah1:
If Jesus is God, why did he ask Father to forgive them when he was on the cross?

Why did he in these chapters talk about an higher being ?

John 5 : 30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

John 6 : 38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

Jesus is the Son of God. That makes him God like his Father.
A father is not equal with the son .
A father can send his son a message.
If God the Father can forgive sins , the Son should be able to forgive sins as well.

Only a Creator can give life to a dead or lifeless being.
Jesus made a bird from clay and breath into it and it flew. This is said in the Quran.

Important :
Mark 2:5-12 KJV
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
[6] But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
[7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
[8] And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
[9] Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
[10] But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
[11] I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
[12] And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.


THEY SAID " WE NEVER SAW IT ON THIS FASHION"

Jesus is God that became a man to save us from the power of Satan and eternal damnation in hell.

Give your life to him, he is good, he is gentle and meek but too powerful for the hosts of powers of darkness to behold.
He is the Lord of Lords , the king of kings, the God of gods.
Try him.

sirxbit:
D bible was refering to someone as a fool And i called u a fool So u going to hell because u a fool

I will not go to hell.

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linearity:
But, you can’t provide a single verse from the Bible to prove him wrong that Jesus or the Apostles tithed or commanded Christians to tithe.

Trying to find him guilty by association is stupid. There are many things he has said that maybe wrong, address those on their own merits, but trying to say, ‘because he might be wrong here or there, therefore everything he said is wrong’ is the lazy man straw argument.

Peter was wrong in teaching and also dissociating himself from eating meat sacrificed to idols as evidenced in Paul’s rebuke to him him. He was also wrong is pulling his sworn and cutting off the ear of one of the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus, as indicated by Jesus rebuke to him.... can we by these draw a conclusion that Peter is also wrong in his epistles to the churches?

By their fruits you shall know them.
I don't need to prove that tithing is right or wrong when the essence of opening the thread is not for that.

Jesus Christ categorically said we must pay our tithes because it is necessary :
Matthew 23:23 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus warned us that his purpose was not to destroy the laws:

Matthew 5:19-20 KJV
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

sirxbit:
First of all d word fool is in your bible
And second i can see u making mockery of ur God.
U are indeed a big fool

Matthew 5:22 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

ollah1:
I listed some up there but more can be found down here

This is simple to understand , unless you have other motives.

The Debut 24 16:17 , is a commandment of God to the Israelites that in judgement , they should not kill the father for the sin the son committed or kill A for the sin of B. This is not for God to follow but for we His created beings to avert injustice.

Deuteronomy 24:14-17 KJV
Thou shalt not oppress an hired servant that is poor and needy, whether he be of thy brethren, or of thy strangers that are in thy land within thy gates: [15] At his day thou shalt give him his hire, neither shall the sun go down upon it; for he is poor, and setteth his heart upon it: lest he cry against thee unto the Lord , and it be sin unto thee. [16] The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. [17] Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:

But 1Peter 3 :18 :
1 Peter 3:18 KJV
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The above is talking about the decision of God to sacrifice His only Son to die for the sins of the world . It has not changed the law that you should not kill the wife for the sin of the husband and other way round.
And the reason why the death of A for the sin of B is useless is that they are both sinners . A debtor cannot stand as a guarantor for the debt of another debtor. But in the case of Jesus , he is not a sinner or debtor , he can redeem the debtors from their debt of death.

If you are not clear , just open your thread for better discussions so as not to offend the Op.

TopDogNaija:
[qu[sup][/sup]ote author=JohnXcel post=64005809][b]If you like upload a video of Daddy Freeze indulging in some "secret sin", it doesn't change the TRUTH that he is absolutely right about the inapplicability of tithing today.

PERIOD![/b]ode jatijati

And what would that make of him ? An hypocrite.

ollah1:
And the remaining chapters don't need to be talked about?
One verse says positve while another verse says negative.

Proofs ?
Show your evidences.

ollah1:
Christ himself said

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)


"Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)


" It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

That is why we are Christians, the keepers of the laws of Moses and followers of Jesus , who said " he has not come to abolish but to fulfil".

What does it mean to fulfil?

Matthew 5:43-48 KJV
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so?
[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

That is what it means to fulfil. To love God and everyone.
God is love.

sirxbit:
So if i don't pay tithe i would go to hell
How stupid can u be?
So God commanded to pay tithe to people so that it can be wasted? But e know u have paid your tithe?
U are a fool.
My friend shut up there.
D more i see people like u the more i hate Christianity.
No sense of reasoning at allll.
If u talking about Gods commandment apart from the 10 main commandment. Do u tink you are keeping all?
Tithe my asss

You better mind what you say.
It is candidates of hell that call people "fools",
It can equally be dangerous if God should "tithe your ass ,. how would you deficate ?

abuaaliyah:
lol, so christian believe they will make heaven with all these denominations, honestly their is no different between them and the madman smiling with his dirty cloths claiming he is the best.

What has denominations got to do with salvations?

Witchcrafts is a religion and the first in the world . How many denominations are there in witchcraft? They are the most united in the world, does that make them God's people ?
Definitely not , although united but of Satan.

That analogy you gave up there is meant for Islam , especially when your religion says :
A murderer ,
a pedophile ,
a sex addict ,
a truce breaker,
a hater ,
an idolater,
a terrorist ,
a marriage breaker like Muhammad is a good example to be followed. All the atrocities he committed and brought are good in the eye of the Muslims.