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delaw4u: Car guru please help,
Please I have not seen your reply 000
My vw passat 03
Auto tranny,1.8t
Issue
When I put the gear to D or R and I press the brake the car vibrate if my foot off the pedal brake it doesn't or when on P or N it does not vibrate also
Please what to check on the car

When in Motion does this happen when U apply the breaks?or just wen the car is idle

hereiam: @car doctor, pls I need your help....I use Honda accord 1996, it has been giving me lots of issues. the worry some part of it is at idle the car vibrates but stable on motion, the spark plugs are easily soaked making the engine not to work in full capacity. my mechanic has checked it severally it still persist that it got to a point it cannot climb a sloppy and rough ground. we had to push it and it damaged the exhaust. I also noticed the engine was experiencing leakage which I complain to my mechanic, he said its the upper seal. we changed the seal and use one horse engine oil......presently the car is smoking badly....I don't know what to do anymore. the car is embarrassing me. pls help.

Do U lose water n Oil?

maskid: i had that experience once. the clueless mechanic told me that my Engine was Bad and that i have to buy another engine!!!!

all it took to fix it was to replace the Water Gasket (1,500) which was flat and allowed water to mix with the oil in the engine thereby weakening the Burning of Fuel.

it also happens when ur Plug or nozzle is bad.

e no pass any of these. unless the engine is very very weak.

In this case he would lose water plus Oil

its the Autobiography 2013

tonychristopher: who will raise, who will donate, who will disburse, who will be held for accountability...all na was jooooor

This is why I told another fellow nairalander to get exposed.U seem to be cut off frm reality.dont U k ow they spent their own monies to stage this event.they have taken their time to go fru this just to raise awareness.Has nothing to do with gains h3nce its called charity.U don understand now Oga?

DAVE5: the nigerian govt's situation is different bro, there is almost no govt industry around anymore to create wealth (or payback the borrowed monies) 4 d govt cos theyve sold out almost all d income earning mechanisms for small CHANGE, its a diff tin if d govt has infrastructure on ground and borrows money which it can payback through it asset, meanwhile our oil reserve and returns only serves the belly of the few oppressors ohhh

Ok Agreed, name one country in the western world where teh Govt owns industry that generates wealth.little or none

tonychristopher: BUT SERIOUSLY, WHO SEND THEM GO THERE...IF DEM CLIMB FINISH, DEM GO WIN MONEY, IF DEM WIN NA DOWN PICKIN DEM GO GIVE MONEY

ABEG NA PUBLICITY STUNT

No they will rais morney .they dnt get paid its all 4 charity.the monies got from donation would be put towards the charity.Try and understand what it means to work for charity and stop rhis ignorance

Keneking: You don't sound African my friend....To say the least you are unNigerian

You are not exposed.my friend that man is right Obudu catle ranch is not world know.have you got its co odinate in latitude n longitude?mount kili is know world wide and would generate income and awareness globally

amnestylaw1: There need not be any British village in Ibadan. Nigeria and many other countries have British Council that promote British culture. So, do some research and stop hating.

British council never promote any british culture.Its just a source of research ie library?I was a memeber at the one in ENUGU.I think U need to know what promoting o e's culture means b4 posting

Shagati: By all means.
Will send you a pm

I have Enjoyed ur upgrade so far

teeebugs: The Federal Capital Territory (FCT) Vehicle Inspection Office (VIO) is to commence computerised vehicle inspection from September 1, this year.

This information is contained in a flyer made available to the News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) by the directorate.

The flyer said that the exercise was in line with the procedure for ascertaining road worthiness of vehicles in the country.

It advised all corporate organisations, associations, unions and individual vehicle owners whose vehicle documents would expire by the end of August to take such vehicles for the physical computerised inspection.

“Private vehicles are to be inspected once a year and commercial vehicles twice a year.

Read Full Story
http://monitor9ja.com/2014/08/fct-vio-commence-computerised-vehicle-inspection-september-1-2014/

hahah GOod Innitiative, but would it realy work? when they say computerised, how do they mean? would they have an ANPR system or you still need to physically show them a piece of paper on the roadside, if the later is the case then nothing has changed,however if they could have an ANPR system that works that would be FAB

Dsannin: Can i see a pic of your entire car how do u know its a 2002 model ?

I know its a 2002 model as its my car and the VRM starts with xx52xx, , its been in my garage, its a lil project i got going.

more
Originally Posted by Slalom4me
From the 'Beyond OBDII' link above
The same basic approach could also be used with existing
cellular phone links (local station networks) and/or satellite
systems. To keep motorists from tampering with or disabling
their telemetry systems, vehicles could be interrogated randomly
or on a scheduled basis to monitor their condition. The OBDIII
telemetry could also be combined with global positioning system
(GPS) technology to document or monitor the whereabouts of
vehicles.
Orbiting 11,000 miles above the earth's surface are 24
military satellites that make up the Navstar global positioning
system. By timing radio signals from these satellites, the
position of a vehicle, boat or plane anywhere on the earth can be
fixed within a few meters. The GPS system is currently used by
many fleets for tracking the whereabouts of their vehicles as
well as by onboard navigation systems for pinpointing a vehicle's
location on an electronic map.
The advantages of using a satellite based telemetry system
for OBDIII rather than a roadside system are:
* Greater coverage of the entire vehicle population for more
accurate surveillance. Vehicles could be monitored and queried
no matter where they were, even while sitting in a garage or
driveway. There'd be no way to avoid the watchful eye of the
emissions police.
* Being able to locate vehicles that are in violation of
clean air statutes, either for "demographic studies" or to track
down and arrest violators.
* Being able to monitor the whereabouts of vehicles for
purposes other than emissions surveillance such as recovering
stolen vehicles (like today's LoJack anti-theft system), keeping
tabs on suspected drug dealers, gang members and other
undesirables.
* Being able to disable vehicles that belong to emission
scofflaws by transmitting a secret code. Law enforcement
officers might also be able to use such a code to disable a
vehicle fleeing from a crime scene or one that belonged to
someone with a backlog of unpaid traffic violations.
Source:http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/autocrossing-and-roadracing/1278467-lets-talk-obd3.html

Big Brother On Board
June 1, 1998
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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) seems bent on becoming the country’s most intrusive government agency, a distinction most agree is currently held by the Internal Revenue Service.

In the name of reducing auto emissions, EPA is said to be “improving” the on-board pollution control system it requires under the hoods of American vehicles. While unlikely to improve air quality, the new Big Brother devices will make it much easier for EPA to know who’s driving what vehicles, and where they’re going.



The Little Black Box . . .

The heart of EPA’s on-board pollution control system is a collection of sensors and computers called OBD2 (OBD1 if your car is more than a couple years old). It senses a wide variety of engine problems that can result in the emission of pollutants such as ozone. When an OBD senses that a vehicle’s engine has developed a pollution-generating defect, it turns on a warning light that instructs the driver to have the vehicle repaired.

The OBD does not, however, tell the driver what is wrong. Only a qualified mechanic, with a scanning device that can be connected to the vehicle’s computer (for an average charge of between $50 and $60), can make that determination. Often--how often no one at EPA knows--the OBD “senses” a problem when none exists.

Though OBD devices have been installed in cars for years, at an average cost of $300 per vehicle, EPA has never conducted a real-world study of their reliability. According to Ed Gardetto of the EPA’s Emissions Program Group, the agency only recently began a two-year study of 200 vehicles to determine how well OBD2 devices function in detecting pollution-causing defects.

Bob Brooks, editor of Ward’s Engine Update, says the study might not be necessary “if EPA had a better relationship with the repair industry.” “The repair trade could tell EPA most of what it what it needs to know at little cost,” he adds.



. . . That Could Become a Spy

What may replace OBD2 is, naturally, OBD3. EPA officials flatly state they are not working on such a device, nor are they interested in doing so. Semantically, the “not working on” is correct. OBD3 is being developed by the California Air Resources Board (CARB), which has already let a contract for the device’s preliminary development. That said, sources at EPA acknowledge they are “following California’s development of OBD3.”

When asked, both EPA and CARB officials cited only one difference between OBD3 and the unproven OBD2: the former includes a transponder--a tiny radio transmitter that relays emissions information about your vehicle, including its Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), to remote receiving stations.

The purpose of OBD3, according to CARB’s Allan Lyons, is to reduce the number of costly vehicle emissions tests. In California, for example, every vehicle is tested for emissions every two years. Over 75 percent pass the test. Had it been known in advance that their pollution emissions were within permissible limits, those cars would not have had to be tested.

With OBD3 transponders transmitting emissions data to remote sensing stations, government officials would always know which vehicles are emitting an excess of pollutants and which are not.

Sounds good . . . except that OBD3 is identical, in all respects but the transponder, to OBD2--a system about which many questions remain unanswered. Moreover, OBD3 positively identifies every vehicle and can easily have sensors added to it to determine your vehicle’s speed and location. While all this sounds a little paranoid, even Lyons admits there are Big Brother concerns. “You can’t even discuss the subject without the issue of Big Brother coming up,” he acknowledges.



The Testing Mess

Paranoia aside, OBD3 may be nothing worse than simply more of a bad, or at least unproven, technology. But there seems to be little doubt that EPA’s current program of emission testing and “mandatory” repair is seriously flawed.

Testing and repair programs are required in many geographic areas out of compliance with EPA air-quality standards for ozone, carbon monoxide, and other gases. Those so-called “nonattainment” areas are primarily, though not exclusively, metropolitan areas.

Vehicle emissions testing, like OBD technology, has been with us for years, yet EPA has never studied whether vehicles in a “test and repair area” are less polluting than vehicles in other parts of the country to a degree that would justify the program’s cost. There are many reasons to believe that the test and repair program has little impact on vehicle emissions.

Permissible emission levels are set so high that many vehicles pass even though they are emitting a great deal more pollution than they would if properly maintained. “Old technology” vehicles--those built prior to today’s sophisticated pollution-control devices--are permitted to emit up to 900 parts per million of hydrocarbons, and new cars are permitted to emit up to 220 ppm. But emissions tests have shown that a well-maintained 1971 automobile can emit less than 30 ppm. Many drivers whose automobiles pass emissions test are led to believe their vehicles are non-polluting, when in fact they could be polluting much less (and burning fuel more efficiently) if they were even better maintained.

Equally deceiving is the notion that owners repair all vehicles that fail emissions tests. In fact, repairs are often avoided, both illegally and legally. Automobile owners in many states are able to illegally avoid repairs because the states have very poorly functioning procedures for correlating test failures and repairs with vehicle licensing. Those states unknowingly relicense polluting cars, putting them right back on the road.

Increasingly, though, polluting vehicles go unrepaired legally because of EPA policies. If a vehicle costs more than $450 to repair in such a way as to meet EPA standards, it gets a waiver--it can be legally driven without being repaired. A study conducted in 1994 by Sun Oil Company found that engines had become so complex that 60 percent of those failing emissions tests could not be fully repaired for $450. Moreover, the cost of repairs has increased dramatically in the last four years, primarily because of increased engine complexity brought on by tighter EPA limits on new car emissions.

A second problem caused by increased engine complexity, which results in higher new car prices, is a dramatic increase in older vehicles on the road. Ward’s Auto World has estimated that the number of cars ten years old or older on the nation’s roads increased from 10 million in 1975 to over 50 million in 1996 (trucks push the total to 80 million). On average, those older vehicles emit more pollutants than their newer counterparts. They also tend to be owned by persons of lower income. In California, where air-quality problems are legendary, low-income residents are allowed to take up to two years to make needed repairs.



The Maintenance Solution

A relatively simple solution to the upward spiral of costs, and its attendant negative effect on vehicle emissions, seems readily available. Unfortunately, it is a solution EPA is unlikely to promote.

“A good case can be made for calling a halt to complexity, which has counter-productive aspects, and focus instead on durability, maintainability and serviceability,” says Ward’s Brooks. “The underlying problem is that the public is deceived by regulators into thinking the answer to the pollution problem is tighter emissions standards applied to new vehicles.”

To prove his point, Brooks proudly points to the test results for his wife’s 1971 MG. The car continues to emit only about 5 percent of the hydrocarbons EPA standards allow for new, current-technology cars--or at least it did, before EPA-mandated reformulated gas came into use, pushing the MG’s hydrocarbon emissions to about half new-technology car limits.

Source :http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/1998/06/01/big-brother-board

more info can be found on here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics

Im waiting for my dear friend on here.
https://www.nairaland.com/1875436/2001-grand-cherokee-needs-reprogramming/3#25949589

CityNG: I really don't want to derail this thread much more than we already probably have (but the only reason why it's still pertinent and exposed in this section).

If after the screenshot that I gave you and the search criteria and you still believe that OBD3 is a theory then I'm done with you and wish there was a way to complete block your userid from appearing on my screen in my Nairaland surfing.

CityNG is out. Enjoy guys. I'm done here.

I have taken the advice and opened the OBD3 thread,lets go there.No need to get angry, there was a good reason for my comments.

https://www.nairaland.com/1883383/all-u-need-know-obd3
My last post on OBD3 on here
@Lomomike Im out.

Re: OBD3, have you heard about it? This blew me away.This is a rape of your privacy in your own car.

That being said, read this even if it seems complex, just look to how government is in your car at every second, even every millisecond.

For those interested to read it here, here it is after the link, if you are lazy and want to read it later, the link follows. But this is a rape of your rights and privacy in your own car.

Have You Heard About OBD III?

With the recent approval of regulations governing on-board diagnostics (OBD) information availability, the Automotive Service Association (ASA) has been pleased with the cooperation of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the development of information transfer to repairers. ASA was a strong advocate of independent service shop owners and technicians having access to the same information accessible to new car dealers. The EPA protected these rights in its draft information availability rule and in the final rule published last summer.
One area of concern has been the recent discussion surrounding a waiver of federal preemption to permit California to implement its own OBD regulations. The serious question for independent repairers has been whether our rights will be protected as strongly as in the federal regulations. This is an issue ASA is discussing with regulators and other members of the aftermarket. ASA will make a decision in the near future as to a California strategy on the waiver.
As the OBD II (federal OBD uses the same basic technical standards as California OBD II) debate comes to a close, speculation is already mounting about an OBD III concept in California. OBD III is being discussed as a program to minimize the delay between the detection of an emissions malfunction by the OBD II system and the actual repair of the vehicle. This includes a reading of stored OBD II information from in-use vehicles and the direction to owners of vehicles with fault codes to make immediate repairs. In this concept, faults are picked up by a monitoring technology and reported to a regulator, and the vehicle owner is then directed to get further testing and possible repairs. The debate over controlling vehicle emissions may soon move from what type of testing facilities and test methods are most effective to the complete on-board cycle of fault detection, notification and follow-up testing and repair being discussed in the OBD-III concept.
What types of technology can be used to detect and relay data pertaining to emissions malfunctions? Options include roadside readers, local station networks or satellites. The roadside reader has been tested by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) since 1994. It is capable of reading eight lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic at 100 miles per hour. It can be used from a fixed location with portable units or a mobile unit. If a fault is detected by a reader unit, it has the capability of sending the vehicle identification number (VIN) plus the fault codes to the regulator. (The term regulator is used broadly here--patrol officers, private contractors or others could be involved, depending on how a program is structured.) The local station network has not been tested by CARB, but would allow a location and monitoring service.
The satellite system can be used with a cellular phone hookup or location monitoring technology. The vehicle would receive an alert via a cellular phone or the monitoring technology. The location, date, time, VIN and OBD II data would be returned to a satellite beacon.
Several issues surround the OBD III concept. From a regulatory perspective, all of the technologies used, other than roadside technology, require a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) license. The possibility of interference with other signals in the same band is of concern. The issues of commercial operators, law enforcement, jurisdiction among state agencies, Intelligent Vehicle Highway Systems, etc., have to be addressed before OBD III is a reality.
How would an OBD-III program prompt further testing and possible repair? An OBD-III program could be incorporated into the current inspection and maintenance (I/M) program. OBD III might also be used to generate an "out-of-cycle" inspection. Once a fault is detected, a notice could be mailed to the vehicle owner requiring an out-of-cycle inspection within a certain number of days or at the next registration or resale, or a citation would be issued. Penalties might include court appearances or fines related to vehicle registration.
A roadside pullover might work this way: the monitoring technology detects a fault, a law enforcement officer stops the vehicle with the fault code, and a technician working with the officer at the scene verifies that a code is set. A citation is then issued requiring testing at a test center, with a time limit for the vehicle owner to do this before a penalty is incurred.
What legal issues arise under OBD III? There seems to be some question as to the "suspicionless mass surveillance" of private property. There is no opportunity to confront or rebut the results; no notice that the vehicle will be tested. Fourth Amendment search and seizure issues tend to arise.
There are obviously technologies and enforcement procedures available to support the OBD III concept. Do the public health arguments as to controlling the severity of air pollution override the constitutional privacy questions involved? What about consent? These are questions that will undoubtedly arise, and could bring a court challenge.
After several court battles with OBD II, the issues are still unsettled as to the California waiver. I/M programs are still to be finalized in several states and the threat of congressional action looms. The concept of bringing all the issues under one program will certainly be controversial, but is being discussed as far as a long-term policy. Independent repairers need to prepare for the next waive of emissions and information issues as they continue to participate in the current debate involving the same.
ASA is working with regulators and other members of the aftermarket to ensure that the independent repairers' interests are included as long-term policies are developed.
--Bob Redding is ASA's Washington representative. He holds a law degree from the George Washington University School of Law.
To find more information on OBD, use the ASA Search Engine.

lomomike: Erico2K2, cityNG please let's not derail this thread. You two can open a fresh thread and discuss about OBD ii or self diagnostic systems in cars. Thanks for compliance.

Brove I hear that,we where just having a chat not arguments,I hate when people jump into and ongoing topic without getting the root.I will post one reply to CityNg on here and that's that,I will open a thread on OBD3 as U said and hopefully we learn from it and anybody can come onboard
https://www.nairaland.com/1883383/all-u-need-know-obd3

CityNG: Groan.......

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obd3

Come on Brov U are more than this, U should know better.Hope you aint supporting his OBD3 theory by hear say?

mayor2013: Google is a friend like you recommended you tube to City NG

I have came back with nothing hence I was hoping you could help me with a link?

mayor2013: @ op pls go for a more professional scan. Sure you would have fault codes and pls when scanning dont let them rule out scanning the immobiliser as this is what is causing your car not to start up

Bross Im still waiting for your OBD3 scanner links

sultaan: @OP,
I would not say it will be easy but you can send an email to jeep.com customer service with your VIN and ask if there is a way for you to buy new keys.you will not be the first person oversees missing a key but you will need 3 keys so that in case you lose one you can buy a blank an reprogram yourself as back up. And that is only if you start the car and it shuts down with the key light blinking on dash otherwise disconnect battery overnight and try again

True that , but do you really think they will re program a new Key without the vehicle?I tried that with the FOB, they refused, I had to buy after mkt one.Still OP has not managed to scan the car for Codes though.

mayor2013: There is no point trying to let you comprehend. City NG said the same as I did earlier. OMG!! You reside in Nigeria or uk be it whatever place and you have never heard of obd3 diagnostic tools

No vex oh and plz dnt take it as insult, I have heard of OBD3 scanners, and I know you said you have them for sale can you please post me a link to them so i can add to my knowledge pleaseeeeee, Im waiting, I only want to add to my knowledge, I mean nothing malicious please.

mayor2013: @ city NG leave that man alone. I had to read through all. And I had to laugh all through his arguments. Same way he said dealership scanners ain't available to us. And i almst asked myslef aint he black?. Wonder where the "us" came from. All he does on this forum is to flex his muscles

As for U I still retain what I said, check CityNg's Scanner you will see his does what most Dealership scanners does, go fru the page he posted regarding his OBD2 software bearing in mind its not even a Hand Held.And you are here talking about me when you made a seen bout OBD3 hand held? talking bout flexing muscles

CityNG: Good, I get you.

You'll rather put your head back into the sand instead of getting educated.

Good move.

Unfortunately I don't have to look at any old posts of yours, this opinion of yours that onboard self diagnostic is better than a dedicated software already tells me all I need to know about you.

The days of shade tree mechanic repairs are over on modern cars. I just pity the envetual owners of your preowned vehicles. God dey sha.

Guy you are funny, all these gra gra o n here bout selling thousands of car Im struggling to see your sales of cars

CityNG: It's okay it's your opinion and you;re entitled to one.

Unless I go along with your assbackwards thought process then everything under I'll be suffering from every single malady under the sun.

Don't worry I can take name callings, my age affords me that ability.

You don't love cars, to you cars are something you drive and boast about (like in I have a 2006 BMW), if you're a true autoist then there's nothing stopping you from buying and selling 10 cars a week if you want. Expose yourself to the fact that others like cars like someone else may like shoes and ties.

OBD2 scanners are a dime a dozen on eBay, some even have bluetooth that will connect to your phone or computer.

By the way, if you think you can insult me, just give it a rest dude. I'm immune.

PS: And I just knew you'll bring up age and use it as a crutch. You guys never cease to amaze me. Before I left Nigeria at the age of 18 I've already owned over 10 cars including motorcycles. Just say that you have no interest in cars other than them being a utilitarian means of transportation and stop saying nonsense like onboard self diagnostic is better than a dedicated OBD2 scanner.

At this point I will assume you are bent on arguments rather than discussion, I dont deal insults and names calling as I wont learn nothing frm it and its meant 4 low life people,I dont think you have spoken to me on here B4,there is diff btween buying to use and buying to sell,I have lost counts of how many cars I have sold in the past, I have even sold few here,when I mentioned the car i drive it was not meant to be a measure of showing off.Now let me repeat,I never said On-board are better than HH scanners,I sell them in my shop in PH, try and read what is posted b4 reacting seem to defile the third law of motion.Now talking bout boasting, at 18 aint you meant to be a student?you bought more than 10 cars then yeh? thats great in akpos's voice, *We nor fit carry last*If you check my previous Post, U will know I love cars,anyway, I know when to take my leave out of discussion, let me concentrate on the OP Instead.

CityNG: It's not bragging but facts. One of my friends here is only 30 years old and has owned over 1,000 vehicles.

It doesn't matter what year you left school or otherwise when we're talking about cars. It's experience that counts.

And please don't even bring up age that will be a non sequitur. People younger and older have down less or more.

Just stop saying that your onboard self diagnostics is better than a dedicated OBD2 software.

I see you got a bit rush attitude, you don't read and digest what people say B4 U respond,if you check I never stated that on-board diagnostic was better than dedicated OBD2 software, I only said in some instance.How could it be ?if you check one of my earlier post, I was having a discos how specialist OBD2 scanner are only available to major dealers especially EU cars.I actualy say what I have done and been through, logically if I bought my first car in 2000, it would be more than likely I would have had a car each year if Im very rich, that limits me to 14 cars right?mayB U guys in the US got diff thing going

CityNG: Yes some modern cars like almost all BMWs have an onboard dispay communication system that will tell you of issues, they also have OBD2 port and specific software that can be used to get vastly more important error codes than any self test you can do in it.

It;s one thing to own an impressive car like you have, it's another thing to be an aficionado of BMWs.

Sir, I've been owning BMWS since the early 80's. I've owned models you have never seen nor aware of since you seem to be someone that write a check at a dealership instead of reaserching marques. I've owned BMW 1600, 1602, 2002, Bavaria, 530, 528, 535, 320i, 3251, 325iS, 740iL many of these cars i owned multiple.

Go to my site [url]QuickSilverCars.VillageHeadMaster.Com[/url] to see a very small sample of over 250 cars that I've owned - all documented. She shares the stable with classics (that's what I like to drive) like 60's Mercedes and 60's Austin Minis.

My current daily driver is a 2009 VW Jetta, I use VAGCOM from RossTech to make changes to the software (not jailbreak) when necessary. I will never ever say amongst professional autoist that my onboard self diag is better than this software, it is just ridiculous.

Dont worry I will soon B home and ready for U.my fone aint doing me much justification i typing.80s lol I was in school then bro how Old do U take me to be?lol I bougjt my first car 2000.

CityNG: Unfortunately I don't believe that statement you made to be true at all so nothing new learned, at least for me.

You are either not well versed on reading the codes or you bought a code reader that wasn't compatible with your ECU.

Self diagnostics was big for ODB1 vehicles way back in the days.

I have an 06 318ci. It has a well built self diagnostic.if you could inteprete well.Im not an Auto Mech however the issue of code reasing is open ro learn if irs thier cup of tea.Telle what car U ha e.lets see what self diavnostic it has.go on man.

CityNG: You Sir are the first person in my automotive sphere to make such a statement.

Good luck with that.

PS: Correction. I abhor quarreling but I like discussions and especially on subject matters that are my hobby. Hope you understand the difference.

PPS: Instead of the silly new SHARE button, an IGNORE USER button would have been most beneficial for folks that don't want to engage on discussions to side step each other. IMHO.

We learn new stuff every day.

CityNG: Sorry no need for me to chill or relax because I'm not uncoiled or unrelaxed

You can say that Jeep has self diagnostics, my responses have been limited to saying they are the first or one of the first (or whatever it is you said).

Just as you are educating folks I am too educating folks.

What people need to do is to buy the product designed for such a purpose, an OBD2 diagnostic tool or find someone that has one. This is the ONLY surefire way for a novice that doesn't want to get taken by an auto shop to decipher an issue that may prompt a CEL.

Ahah Guy you like quarel.yeh true what you said bout the HH scanners.I did.buy the basic OBD11 scanner for wifey so she can use it if Im not there for me to buy parts if need be however I found out the self diagnkstic was more accurate xpecialialy iterm faults .on the other hand the BMW is a whole lot of diff ball game.In my opinion people should know more about their cars ans at least have basic ideas of how thier car work and the general bill of health of the car.My car atm is leaking Oil.I done one seal cleaned it up discovered jts another leak.doing that this wkend hope it atops .And oi.Im getting the 2013 Grand chirokee EU version.its wked