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CityNG: I have no issues with you, so don't make this personal. I don't need to know you personally to discuss cars with you on Cartalk.

It is my opinion that Jeeps are modern marque not worth their old history, that opinion will never change. Owning cast number of them doesn't prove they are dependable and can actually prove otherwise. I have owned undependable brands that needed parts cars to keep them running with my doggedness.

Your statement that Jeeps are amongst the first is the born of contention and I already admitted that it might be true if they got access to that software via alliance with other brands amongst the family such as Chrysler.

Brov chill man.why would I take it personal nahh no way.I have been on her long enough to know better come on.we are having a conversation which one of us would def gain frm.Im not saying the jeep is best.U can never own the best as so.eone would make something else.in my own way.I think cars are bought for a reason as far as it suits that need then U r good to go.I got tjat car 4 me wife cos of height displacement amd the ease of which I can get the original parts from here.I personaly dnt like the SUVs.I preffer the coupe ie BMW M5s.however bad rds in PH wont let you.So brov relax.Im truely not taking it personal.Im jst trying to give the OP some personal xpirience with the car hence the self diagnostic issue.its agreat stuff to k ow so one dnt fall into the hands of quacks.

CityNG: I don't base my education on YouTube clips but prefer to listen and interact with real owners with real experiences. I care more about your experience than anything I can view on YouTube so don't sell yourself short.

Perhaps they got their hands on new technology just because of the brand alliances.

I still stand by my ascertain, Jeep is an antiquated and nonsensical brand that can never lead in any innovation. They make killer of road rigs when you buy one and spend $20k doing upgrades.

We don't jailbreak ECUS, we "tune" them. Show me a tuning software that will override two critical sensors such as the ones that we're talking about?

How many tuning software do you have a direct and personal experience with? I have VAGCOM loaded on my laptop right now and I don't see any parameter to defeat those two sensors. It makes no sense.

Like I said showing their lackluster developmental skills or if the programmers knew they were having the software installed in a vehicle that has a non interference engine design then I can see why they would allow the car to start without those two critical sensors but only in open loop when non sensors are in place.

Brove I do t think we had a disxo b4 so U wont know.me.anyway.I have a jeep liberty in Nigeria and my wife drives it.I have performed that self diagnostic on it.I even tought my wife how to do it as Im aalways in the uk cos of work.Im also an Engineer so I aint a man frm the street.youtubes are great as I do some myself on DIYs in other forums.Im at work atm so wont be able to go into details.I also have the Bmw N42 has self diagnostic but it aint straight 4ward as the Jeep.I will come to say more when I get home to my laptop.fyi I have owned the 04 jeep for 6 yeara now so I have a few years of xperience.

CityNG: There's absolutely no way that Jeep is first in anything modern and especially on self diagnosis. So I wait to be educated on that.

Allowing a car that is potentially out of sync shows how backwards the brand still is.

So the car starts in open loop at the risk of having pistons hitting the valves but then shuts off in closed loop.

Brov I never said they where the first.I said amonhst the first.jave U checked the youtube clip O postes on the seld diagnostic?check on toutube yoy will see 98 mosels performing self diagnostics.Thier codes are even more accurate than the HH scanners.U gt 2 trust me on this one.however regarding the none sync allowing issue.this true for most cars or else we wo t havw Jail break ECUs and tune ups we get in the Vanos upgrade

CityNG: Here's the thing, if either (Camshaft sensor or Crankshaft sensor) are faulty to the point that they will turn off the engine after starting then I don't think the engine will start in the first instance since BOTH have to be in sync (timed properly) for the engine to start at all.

Also either should have been setting off a CEL sporadically if they are faulty.

Just conjectuirng since I don't have enough data to call this one.

I don't think the 02 Cherokee is sophisticated enough to have the security key thing but I don't recognize Jeep products so I don't know intricate details about them.

The o2 jeep is very sufisticated.its one of the eraly suvs to have selfdiagnostics.ieit tells U its fault .the car wouls still start with both sensors bad.in my case the car will only start from cold.once it gets to max temp it goes off and wont start till it goes cold.It ended up killing my ECU.so I went through all these 4 months.

I have been reading with keen intrest.I just realized most guus on here dont realy know their country Nigeria or ventured out of Nigeria.Ignorance is sailing like a lost ship on here

Jennimma: I'm not trying to judge anyone. No.
I suppose we all are christains. God has said it in His word that we've to separate totally from the world. Those dancesteps glorify satan and not God.

Notwithstanding,some of these entertainers and musicians are ignorantly working,sponsoring and glorifying Satan..
Jesus requires us to be Holy in everything we do and that includes dancing. God's holiness is meant to affect and reflect in all areas of our lives because anything short of it will incur eternal damnation. You may call me churchy,i'm justsayingmymind.

Your arguments are flawed.you failed to describ whats worldly and whats Godly dance.Start with your church.strip them of all the hi tech music gear they have and return to clapping and dancing then we can start frm there

erico2k2: Ok I got Brian block, who knows what A and B is in this N42 Engine?

ok I found out what they are, for the benefit of others, A and B are called VANOS SOLONOIDS, the leaks as i found out was caused by failing O rings inside,cost me £16 from Ebay. ,will post the DIY of replacing it later.

badpeople: hmmm, my jeep is 3yrs old nw and I bought it from a nairalander here in auto section, it came with a key, no spare, about a year plus I lost d original key wit d remote when I was on transit wit a public bus to port Harcourt from Lagos, I came bak to Lagos and consult a roadside car eletrician then he made another key without remote after, all went fine till this issues come up, what I noticed about cutted key is it looks very inferior to d original and sometimes by a little edge pressure on rubber handle side it got opened and I do notice one like foam or a chip inside, no qualms I do close it back and all will be fine, now how do I consult a US dealer to make a couple of d keys?

The US one is a whole diffrent palava as they would need the car physicaly to program the key.they wont do a scrappy roadside work.however you can go n look for used ignition system with tje keys.dunno how but I recon thats ur option for now

msmon: And that's the reason it's imperative to do a properly orient the populace about it's usage.

My Exact point,Bravo

badpeople: Ok, I can notice 2 brainbox, one in d engine, pasengers side and one under the back seat, I will copy them and post, gracias

Thats the Link as promised and for anyone who has Jeep,Dodge models, it works same way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV4-3o1lsN0

badpeople: Sry, my broda for late response, nw I tried d procedure u explained above, but in ur explanation turning of key from off and on should be 2times then d third time to on d dashboard light or 3times then d 4th time to on dashboard light? Dis is wat I did severaral times, turning key 3times then d 4th to on d dashboard light but nothing shows than d mileage and I noticed there is a light dat didn't goes off after d whole light on d dashboard off, is a cicle with a key inside, so how do we go from here?

Dont worry wen I get home I shall post you a youtube link how its done just hold on.Im at work cos of this tottenham match 2 hrs time Im at home.

mayor2013: Brother your English they confuse me o. For more info about obd3 scanners google is a Friend. Not to worry I know where you coming from and where did you get that info from that they dont sell dealrship scanners? You had better rescind that statement. bros I had a long day @ work. Make I wack this Amala your argument just dey crack my ribs down here :

Guy you funny ol name one dealership scanner that you have seen sold and howmuch?Im not talking about 50k scanners

mayor2013: Brother your English they confuse me o. For more info about obd3 scanners google is a Friend. Not to worry I know where you coming from and where did you get that info from that they dont sell dealrship scanners? You had better rescind that statement. bros I had a long day @ work. Make I wack this Amala your argument just dey crack my ribs down here :

Bross I nor need google am I already dey use am for emmision enfocement for London

messiah: Thank you. That's encouraging enough. I will do all that you suggested. However, do you still think it's worth the 2.2mil?

Erm for that car I would have adviced you to buy something diffrent eg Audi A6 or Vw even BMW.ford focus is not a very strong car.I live where they are made

mayor2013: Bros u dey pick on me . You are telling me about dealership scanners Seems with the way you typing I could feel so much anger in you guess reason for a whole lot of typographical errors. Calm down bro we still all saying the same but you could be wrong in the area of saying there is only one obd port to access scanning . A toyota camry 99/2000 car has 2 obd ports the reason for the second in the engine bay is for you to have access to scanning the Abs if you try scanning through the obd port inside the car you wouldn't get access to the abs scanning.

No 1 is contesting anything with you. It is not a WWE ring ok so calm down . Nawa your statement sounds hilarious how can you say dealership scanners aint available to us. You just got my ribs cracking bro. just forget about what I post as pix ok as long as I deliver to my clients am ok

Guy listen Im not dissin u or picking on U.its a responce to what U said up there.even the so called dealership scanners are OBD11 cpmpliant.when I said dealership scaners amd maxhines.I meant the type available to major dealers ie Mercedes and BmW etc.They dont sell them,this is fact.even BMW has specific scanners which works for just BMW.and let me also say.Im not a mechanic.bro.the only reason Im.speaking to U bout OBD11scanners is cos they are not only meant for cars we av secondary uses ans also U was saying somerhing bout OBD3 av U come.accross cars that use that yet in Nigeria?

mayor2013: Bros seems you choose not to understand what have written. Try using Google ok. An obd2 (96til date) scanner is a scan tool which detects faults on your power train. Now a professional scanner would detect faults outside your powertrain e.g your body, chasis, immobiliser etc I.e scanning of all modules on your vehicle. You wouldn't want to use an obd2 scanner on a toyota venza 2014 would you and expect it picks a fault. There are even a whole lot of typographical errors in your statement

Obd (on board diagnostic):in terms of cars, this can be categorised into 2 parts

Obd1 (cars that fall below year 1996)

Obd2 (cars from 96 till date)

We aslo have the obd3 scanners but bros if I start explaining you might not under stand it thats the more reason why I have broken it down.

So now you dont expect an obd2 scanner to scan an immobiliser from my statement. What is capable of doing that is a professional scan tool. I hope I made this clear?

Oga mayB i forget to tell U Im a mechanical engineer and based in the uK Nothing you wan tell me about scanners O dnt know.Im trying to steer you to the right direction as usual ITK prevails.The OBD 11 are 2nd generation dianostic system we ja e in cars after 1996 .Al scanners you have are all OBD11 complaint.there is just one port you plug hour scanner to and it reads from the ECU.I know we have more than one ECU in a car.my car has up to 5.but they are alll connected to one central one.FYI all those 5hings u got and callong complicated scanners are cheap OBD11 scanners.the onea we have here in our garages are PC based and would cost above one million naira if you are to sell it at PH.The only scanners diffrent frm ir normal scanners are ones own by dealership and they are not available to you.If you feel U av something diff ppst the pic here as all what U av posted as sellong scanners are stoxk phptos

messiah: Hi guys,
I'm about rounding up my studies in Hungary and would like to get a car from here to drive in Nigeria when I get back. I recently heard about the increase in customs clearance charges and this has really devastated me. I intend to buy a 2008 Ford Focus, as my first car, to use in Nigeria. The car is almost new costing about 1.2million Naira. Now, I'm told clearing such a car would cost up to 687 000 Naira. After factoring shipping into everything, I'm looking at spending up to about 2.2million Naira for the car. Do you think it's worth it all? Or with around 2million I would have better options in Cotonou when I come back to Nigeria?
I've lived in Hungary (and visited a handful of other European countries) for 5 years now and I have clearly seen how their cars are different than the ones in I see that ultimately make it to Nigeria.
I would really appreciate any expert or friendly advice.
I'm really confused now since the person who's going to sell it to me has already given me a week's deadline.
Thank you and God bless.

Buy from where you are and ship home, you get that added benefit of doing full service, change your tyres and all parts that needs changing before you ship the car.

In all the cooking gas outweigh the kerosene in all shape and form, the only hard part is for the cooker itself,If you add the stress you go through plus the insult sometimes fight and rain plus abuse you go through in other to buy kerosene, and put them into naira and kobo, you will agree that Gas is more economical than Kerosene,Im talking to you lot who are bent on the fact that kerosene is cheaper than gas.

mayor2013: An obd2 scanner is not competent of scanning an immobiliser, All you need is a professional scan tool

Then U got no clue brov seriously
Or you dont understand what the OBD2 , and its scanners iare?

mayor2013: Funny question ;DYou are asking how to scan an immobiliser ?Haba!!! that question is too cheap bros

So if somebody ask U a question about what they dont know thats how you respond to them?I genuinly dont know hence Im asking.I do know how to scan the OBD2 diagnosis.Im just intrested in the Immobiliser scanning amd of there is a diff scanning tool for that.

badpeople: Gurus in d house, pls my 2001 grand Cherokee limited version has a problem, starting the engine, it run for 10secs and goes off immediately if I start again, this process repeat itself until the battery runs down, I called for scanning which they told me they need to reprogram the vehicle, I paid the electrician and he remove my brain box(the one by passenger side inside the bonnet) and something like flat plastic with anchor under the stairing then he collected the key to the car, only for him to come after 4hrs, he fixed what he went with back to d vehicle and start but d issue still remain the same, he said is coming, that's how he ran away, I have being talking to him but he keeps giving me flimsy excuses, now am confused, gurus pls help out

Have you done what I asked you to do in my earlier post? abi U just ask question then log off?I told you I have same car, had similar fault.Do that hing I told you and come here with the fault code and we take it from there, all these plenty talk nah trial and error trust me if u get it wrong you go sell that car due to frustration.

mayor2013: Based on the op's car problem. There is a mis communication between the key, immobiliser and his Ecu. So let him get the EcU first and scan the immobiliser of his ride. Sure he would get fault codes there. If it were to be a ckp problem the car won't and would never start. But in his case car starts and almost immediately shuts down. post pix of your instrument cluster and let me know exactly on what to comment on.

Bross no vex oh, how dem dey take Scan Immobiliser?

chucky234: Scan will not detect the fault, even dealershops in the US have no answer to the problem.

Bro Scan would, even the car Scans itself if you know how,I just explained it up there.I have a Jeep Liberty.

badpeople: Gurus in d house, pls my 2001 grand Cherokee limited version has a problem, starting the engine, it run for 10secs and goes off immediately if I start again, this process repeat itself until the battery runs down, I called for scanning which they told me they need to reprogram the vehicle, I paid the electrician and he remove my brain box(the one by passenger side inside the bonnet) and something like flat plastic with anchor under the stairing then he collected the key to the car, only for him to come after 4hrs, he fixed what he went with back to d vehicle and start but d issue still remain the same, he said is coming, that's how he ran away, I have being talking to him but he keeps giving me flimsy excuses, now am confused, gurus pls help out

your car can Scan itself, its has an On-board OBD11 diagnostic
follow this procedure,
put ur keys in ignition,turn to the point jst b4 it cranks(Ignition), remember dnt let it crank, then return it to the nutral positinion(Off) each time it bleeps, do this 3 times and at the third time leave the keys at the Ignition positionl position, thats the position that allows you to see teh battery light, check engine light infact all teh light on ur dashboard, at that last point look at the dash just where the Miealge is, the fault codes will display very fast, have a pen n paper in hand and write them down quickly,It works for all Jeeps.

CityNG: Would a bad CPS even allow the engine to start at all?

I've always thought the car will never start since the timing is completely off.

You are right oh however Bad cam sensor wont make it star but bad crank sensor would,one is one is on top the other under

badpeople: Gurus in d house, pls my 2001 grand Cherokee limited version has a problem, starting the engine, it run for 10secs and goes off immediately if I start again, this process repeat itself until the battery runs down, I called for scanning which they told me they need to reprogram the vehicle, I paid the electrician and he remove my brain box(the one by passenger side inside the bonnet) and something like flat plastic with anchor under the stairing then he collected the key to the car, only for him to come after 4hrs, he fixed what he went with back to d vehicle and start but d issue still remain the same, he said is coming, that's how he ran away, I have being talking to him but he keeps giving me flimsy excuses, now am confused, gurus pls help out

Ok I have same car, but the liberty, U have two brainbox visable, the one on teh passenger side is for your Gear Box, ie transmision, just so I know what you are talking, post teh serial numbers o n both brain box on here

Firefire: Great!

Good News for the Center of Excellency, more money for real development and to settle the huge debt

U forget say oil nah fedral govt property?u will still understand why ND are fighting for state control

SMALLPENIS: atleast, Niger Delta no go dey pose again

PS; 2nd to comment
I'll like to thank God, the nairaland crew and family,
and last but not least, my smallpenis, for its wisdom

Now the people on that Area are doomed .they will face polutted water.sand and air.the fg would take over cos as things stands oil production is for federal not state abi?

berem: The price of refilling a 12.5kg cylinder is quite on the high side. A common man cannot afford 2,800naira for that. The price should be reduced if they want a success in their campaign.

Howmuch for equal quantity of kero?

nurey: thanks erico2k2 but nothing is wrong with the car infact if not for the vin check you wont know there was a roll back the interior as clean as a new car, the engine itself is clean and performs optimally, but i wasnt the one who made the purchase it was my inlaw on behalf of the family and he is really learned, thats why he personally asked me to decide the engine oil to use since i am the major driver of the sienna

No probs, but for the real mileage of the car, there are bound to be issues, you are not a mech hence you don't know yet, fi you scan teh car within few months things will appear,If you look at footballers their age would be like 32 but they look 42,this is as a result of stress caused by training and sporting, same is the car.SO put waht I told you at the back of your mind In other words Enjoy your car still

Ok I got Brian block, who knows what A and B is in this N42 Engine?

nurey: i drive a 2000 model toyota sienna, i need to change the engine oil, the recommended engine oil is 5w30, on getting to the market i saw
1. MRS premiere 5w40 at #6600
2. MRS premiere 10w40 at #6400
3. forte viscoo 0w40 #6800 fully synthetic
4. mobil quartz i didn't see the rating but the guy said it is fully synthetic #8000

now the dilema is that my odo reading is 90,000+ though i am guessing the odo has been messes with (carfax gave me 298000+) but the engine is still smooth and doesn't look or drive like old.
please gurus i need you to explain can i use the fully synthetic one i.e forte oil visco something something with oil rating 0w40 for a year and can any one verify if MRS oil is ok. And concerning that my engine is old which would you advice. note the engine isnt leaking oil or having oil shortage and the oil in it came with the car 4months old, the mech advice we change it.

thanks in advance

Get one of them Sync, built for High mileage, and put at the back of your mind to let go of your car ie, sell it soon.Nxt time do the check B4 buying as humans are wicked