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lets stretch my previous thinking further

In the comic book example, we've assumed only one agent -the author
now let's assume that the author develops a video game for this comic
and we can all take up different avatars for the comic and play in this game.
We are however limited by the governing rules of the comic world

So in the comic world, we do have free will,
which is affected by the choice of others
and the principles of the game

ok

let us assume that man and God share some common xteristics
the purpose of such assumption is to help us try to conceive the working of God

The xteristics I am concerned with here is
multiple scenario thinking (AKA imagination), and decisive action (or choice)

If I want to create a fictional mythical/super hero type comic book episode
I would have to think through it.
i then develop characters
and governing principles under which the characters will operate in

my characters could have 5 heads.
It wont be strange to the inhabitants of my comic world
laws in my comic world could include that when the characters perform a certain action twice
then they evaporate

Once i have published my first comic
all other editions will have to work with my underlying logic for consistency


..for example, batman is stuck in Gotham city

alexleo: ..

1. Was Judgment/wrath part of God's original nature before the fall of lucifer or did he develop this nature when lucifer failed?

..

let's add some more questions

do angels also have freewill?
if they do, does this not mean that in the course of time
whether on earth or in heaven
Angels could still rebel??

There should be more to the map
probably as a tool for expatriates


For example, it could mean that to be successful when you do business in Nigeria, South Africa and Uganda
feel free to give bribes instead of flaunting your portfolio of innovations
And no need to rock the boat by trying to stop people from calling u ogakpata
Just ensure that you provide locations in your office for everyone to practice their religion

AjanleKoko: How accurate do you think this map is?

please can you submit a clearer pix
especially for the x and y axis label

tnx

so what/who is the father?

Now this one and the SPIRIT are the concepts
i've not been able to conviniently conceptualize

I vaguely feel that the FATHER concept stradles between the All God and the Word
probaly an expression that captures and embodies the sacrifice of Isaac by Abraham
and thus establishes a unique father and son convenant between God and christ/man


.."For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son"

....***scratches my head, picks my bible and whistles away ***

So what is the WORD? ....cntd

ASSERTION 2:
The WORD is the defined attribute of God that puts things into context

Now lets go to John's gospel.
He starts by saying "In the beginning was the word,
and the word was with God, and the word was God

Utilizing my ASSERIONs 1 and 2, this is what I see:
there was always God -the all and timeless
however, there was a point that the All God characterised himself by the WORD
this is what is decribed as the begining

So the Word was indeed with God and was God. The same was in the beginging with God

So what is the WORD?

I'll give another imperfect anology using Nairaland
In the world of Nairaland, there is some someone out there that
is an unknown, undescribed entity. He has never logged on to Nairaland

The first knowledge/ ascription of the person is when the person clicks on NL
we can then describe the person as 1 guest viewing

The person goes further to register on NL and dorns a moniker
the person is no longer a guest, but is now recognisable by a name

As the person writes, we begin to see a pattern/characteristics of the person
With further contributions from the moniker, we can better describe the persons xteristics

What is God, who is the being? ....cntd

The anti-xtian leaning Aethist might even point out
that the old testament is replete of stories of God induced genocides
and that a God who is described as loving is ever so willing
to fling infedels and criminals alike into a furnace that burns forever
A judgement that even the most strictest of judicial systems
would cringe at doing

Such genocides lying side by side with declaration of love
is even described by some Aethists as schizophrenic

The devil worshiper, acknowledges that
there is a rebel spirit being that he'd like to connect to


All of this when viewed detachedly by a God believer
seems to suggest that my ASSERTION 1 has some credence

What is God, who is the being? ....cntd

Within this concept of God, every human ultimately connects
or seeks to connect to him.

The guy who worships a tree, seeks to connect to a a part of this God concept
probaly the part of seasonal renewal.

The Aethist armed with science, dismisses him as being non-existent
but goes ahead to trace the source of all material-being to a big bang.
Withing the science circle it is acknowledged that this big bang comes from nothing

What is God, who is the being?

I'll call the being 'him' to simplify my language.

Let's start our exploration by using an example of fire/flame
(even if its not too accurate) to try to conceptualise this being

Fire has a number of properties
it provides light, it can warm and it can burn, it can melt gold etc

However, our perception of fire is many times what we harness it to perform.


ASSERTION 1:
God likewise is everything and yet nothing
in this being there is male, female, variety of beings, good, evil,
begining, end, planets, universes, finite and infinite, time and timelessnes

Introduction

I'll try to explain my present poorly formed understanding of what we
christians call God, the Father and the Word.

My explanations are by no means perfect,
with lots of gap and is subject to futher review

jokinexcel: This weird and shocking-out-of-this-world story you are about to read is Real!! Not fictional. .

.....As I walked towards her, I couldn’t help but admire her Mila kunis kind of eyes, her Kim Kardashian hips and what a view. In short this girl was the definition of HOT!!!! .

Nice try
it sure is loads of fiction

How do i know?
Well u can't have issue with regret and still be fantasizing about the individuals look so gloriously

anonimi: Not quite......[b]WE have OURSELVES[/b] and we are MORE than "they" are.......Why are WE not doing more and waiting for some random un-Biblical Moses to save us
Why?

well, I won't
I'd rather sit back, think, and propose workable strategies


...You probably should go forward. I might support you

anonimi: You seem to have missed where/when Buhari said Abacha was not corrupt right here on NL:

I also recall Ribadu's recent position on some of those he had previously said were corrupt

Our saints in Nigeria are quite messy
just like the biblical Moses was

..but they're all we've got

wellmax: Yes I agree. Sȍ all of them should stop this personality defamation. Their goal is hitting Tinubu and breaking the APC will not come ŧo pass. Nigerians want a viable opposition party.

I agree perfectly
we need a strong opposition

I believe that even GEJ appreciates this
but when you corner even the most tamest of dogs to a small space,
you'll be attacked savagely

this I believe is the gravest flaw of APC's strategy at the moment


The party leadership should learn to stoop to conquer
they should let go of trying to belittle the president

If they do this, I believe that GEJ will reach out to calm his dogs
like he did in earlier elections
..but unfortunately as things now stand
he (GEJ) has angrilly taken his hands off the leach,
and his dangerous lietunants are now running amok

anonimi: Buhari was/is and remains an EPITOME of corruption himself despite his PRETENSE to be otherwise.
Have you wondered what money he used to fund THREE presidential elections with judicial battles at the Supreme Court each time with SAN lawyers who do not come cheap

Let us not forget the missing money when he was Minister/Commissioner for Petroleum in the 70s.

Naaa
while not holding forth for Buhari
I beg to disagree

Here in Nigeria
we have a special tool for identifying corrupt folks

The tool has a scale from 0 to 10
it is comparative, and has a number of indices

Many of us, you and I will fall under the very low percentiles
and so we won't be classed as corrupt (maybe we'll be described as 'steal-ers')

Abacha (prior to his centenary award) will most probably gross 10 on the scale
But Buhari is surely not up there

anonimi: The state of Israel is permanently at WAR with its Arab neighbours who continue to NOT recognise its existence.
I hope you can agree with me that this was definitely NOT the case with Umaru Dikko.

yep. I agree with u.
Makes me think that The man Buhar might have emerged with the mindset that Nigeria was permanently at war with corruption

Little did he know that corruption'R'us

umhh
he was waging a war against the rest of Nigeria
...if only he knew the difference between corruption and stealing

anonimi: God did not come down to fix other societies, why will he come down to fix ours.

because we have Israelis in our East
Arabs in our North
and those that fell from the sky in our West

So we are extremely special beings
When we cry hard enough God will indeed come down to our rescue

All we need is to persevere in what we are doing
pray more and give more
and then sacrifice our brethens on the alter of religious and ethnic violence

das alllll

anonimi: Osama bin Laden was a fugitive OUTLAW like those held sine die in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba by the Americans for more than 10 years now.
It is NOT comparable with a supposed case of provable corruption against Umaru Dikko.

I hope me sef don try to just answer you ooo.

You answered well
However, hope you get the thrust of my argument
especially if for example you consider what the state of Israel is capable of doing and has done

wellmax: I agree with you on the point made.
Thank you.

It is just enough that they make him look like he is the most corrupt guy in Nigeria. (Please no excuse for corruption, or in Jonathans' term -ordinary stealing).

Till today, PDP has not accounted for the missing $20B, several white elephants projects, proceeds from privatization, subsidy reinvestment, huge amount from daily sales of crude oil since 2009 alone. Imagine the recycle of criminals, Bode George & Family, the thief in Bayelsa, Alarms & Sons, the cocaine guy in Ogun, the list goes on and on. Several state governors at the expiration of their term run to Senate, many of them sent their wives too (Kure of Niger state), the Okadibos, Anyanwu, Makarfi of Kaduna state, Bukola Saraki and so on.

But in order to hang Tinubu, PDP is making him look like the devil Nigeria have to get rid of at all cost. I understand them though, win at all cost mentality, do or die. NEVER will Nigeria become a one party nation. Never!!!

same game APC plays
At the moment i see no ideological distinction between both sides
especially as both parties have porous and fluid boundaries

Example: Can you properly define FFK's political affiliation considering his easy flow between both parties? what about Atiku?

anonimi: NOTHING justifies ILLEGALITY.
NOTHING.

The US got into pakistan without the authorization of its government
and took out Osama extrajudicially

what's your take on this?

...just asking ooo

wellmax: I still love Tinubu, nobody has been a vocal voice for opposition as he is.
Where is PPA, APGA, CPC, DPM, etc? (where dem dey?)
If he single handedly sponsors opposition (which is good for democracy), why wont he reap the benefits.
Let me remind you, PDP control Fedral treasury, so no need for God fathers, (all of them dey chop).
Sen. Bola Ahmed Tinubu should be credited for strengthening democracy in Nigeria.


Tinubu carry on, the dynasty is just beginning to grow. Just be careful of wolfs in sheep clothing, PDP moles planted in APC to destroy and subvert your efforts.

Yep, he has strengthened democracy no doubt
and if you argue from the view point of a capitalist
(nigerian politics is largely money centric)
then he should reap some benefits

But in reaping the beneifits it would be absurd
if you inadvertly kill the goose that lays the golden egg

Its almost like the ND militants fighting for resouce control for its populace
then going on to hijack all its benefits to the detriment of the people on whose behalf the battle was fought

so what then was the motivation for such sacrifice?

This is no rebuke to APC, and shouldn't be construed as such
Tinubu (and even Buhari) needs to realise that APC is not AC
and therefore change his tact

what makes someone successful in an enviroment
might be an albatross in another

For example, If I in my present position insult GEJ's mum
that would be no issue. It might even make me popular for such dare

But if I then become a national figure with a large following, I can't afford to do that.
Cos it could lead to my followers actually attacking GEJ's mum


...wisdom does not grow on palmtrees

I looked to see that the driver and passenger in front had still not suspected anything,
unzipped the bag that i was carrying, and in pretence dropped the bag on the floor with some of its content spilling over
Still in acting mode, i sighed and bent down to repackage my bag and slipped the nylon bag into my own bag

barely 2 minutes after this, i told the driver to stop feigning that I had forgotten something
i quickly hoppd out of the taxi and disappeared into the lagos crowd with my loot

What should i do i pondered?
it was either this money was a trap by the driver to turn me to a tortoise, or a passenger had forgotten it I reasoned

"I am a son of God, jazz cannot work on me" i reasoned. this knocked off my first worry.
for the second worry, I reasoned that if I alerted the driver to the content of the bag, he would take it

"No", I resolved not to tell the driver. "This must be money sent by an angel of God and besides what will my pastor do if he were in my shoes".
I had this strong feeling that he would take it.
I ran this query against most of the Nigerian pastors I knew, and I seemed convinced that a large number of them would take it and justify it as answers to prayers.

"Ok, but what would jesus do?"
Mba... i refused to allow my brain process the answer

I wondered what it was and half interestedly bent to touch the bag and peer inside
Jesus!! was i seeing clearly?
It looked like wads of 1000 naira notes

i jerked back upright on my sit with the expertise peculiar to only james bond

I looked at the driver and the passenger in front to check if they had noticed anything
they didnt seem to have

I gently used my feet to maneuvar the bag into a position in which i could more easily assess the content
it was money alright, and in 1000 naira bills

If you're wondering how come I was broke and yet catching a taxi drop
well, i had this habit of thinking big, and believing that acting big was faith that would align my actions with a successful future.
So I'd rather walk or stay home most times of the week, a
nd take a well bargained taxi once in a while, rather than struggling with the masses for mass transport


As i sat back in the taxi muttering in tongues and claiming all the houses and cars that I passed by
my feet soon kicked against something in a nylon bag under the car sit

I'd rather that a torough bred economist is selected as CBN governor than a typical banker

In my view, the present economic situation calls for creativity and a deviation from the usual
a 'typical' bankers intellectual tool set is limited, and might include implementing policies that do not encourage employment in the short to medium term

With the high unemployment rate in Nigeria
I'd suggest that a pro-labour economist be appointed
the universities might provide a pool for such resources

then came the stock market crash
my dad was left clutching on to worthless share certificates
and the life of family members took a downward turn


my mum, God bless her soul, soon opened a shop in the market and became the family bread winner.
My dad’s testosterone died a drastic death, and he stopped going out in the night for 'business'


My sisters,
I swear, they are not runs girls...(they were in the choir and ushering departments at church, and so couldnt be) they only became adept at getting male friends to dash them money

my dad was rising in his career until his organisation was privatised.
This greatly slowed the regular egunjes that were coming into his pocket from undocumented streams of income.

Some 5 years after the privatization, my dad was laid off
this seemed a good thing at first
he was paid off handsomely in 8 figures
Thanks to inspirational books like Rich Dad Poor Dad
he wisely invested in the stock market

I also suspected that Mama Sandra, our divorcee neighbour
(whom i had seen my dad hanging out with on some 2 occasions) had received a princely portion of dad's investment

Her yellowness had increased during that period,
and her trips to china, Dubai and the UK to shop for goods for sale had also coincidentally increased