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About 4500 religions in the world ,and every adherent of these religion are so certain that they have the right God...some will even die for this believe ...look at why other religion are false and apply to yours ...then let me know if you are cool with the answers .

Hello Guys,If you are still interested you can direct your questions to me...will be glad to help.
The cognitive test is verbal and simple data interpretation about 6 questions each .As for the interview dress very smart and be confident .If you get a question about smoking - Know that smoking is a choice and the market is directed only to people who choose to smoke ,all you are doing is meeting a need with quality product .You don't have to answer every question correctly ,however be assertive and show willingness to learn .For accessment center make sure you contribute strongly without bringing down anyone ,commend people in your team and be a leader and follow every instruction ask questions if you do not understand . Good luck guys

JWs are coerced into cultism with years of consistent indoctrination from childhood,The same system extremist Muslims use.They have the worst cases of pedophilia and general child abuse where the victim is supposed to present a witness to the JW elders and are not allowed to report to authorities ...Religion has a lot of stupidity .however ,JWs set the bar in terms of solipsism and hypocrisy backed back pseudo-knowledge and misinformation.Dont argue with them ...they are dogmatic and have amoral views.

frank317:
Why do we grow old?

Who is asking such question? Isn't it obvious?

Lol... What of eels, snake lizard and worms... Where they supposed to have legs too?

Beautiful write up...dripping with deep logic and critical reasoning.

The ridiculousness of these stories grows lamer by the second .

Jews or Jehover witnesses ...suspend the natural order and win .

nwabekeyi:
ok, I have heard you, can you now have faith that the sun will not set this evening?

That you actually believe this story says a lot about you...what a waste of mind.

TATIME:
Having faith is not about making a spectacular display my friend, it's about the last resort when all other options failed. During the Nigerian civil war, Ojukwu gave his soldiers the order to exterminate all the JWs remaining in their custody. Why? Because the food they had is finishing and he won't like the little to be managed by his loyalists shared with these "pessimists". After many JWs have died the remaining were lined up for execution and the unexpected happened. The weapons won't work if aiming at the JWs but towards any other objects even big trees are destroyed but against the JWs the weapons won't just work. So the soldiers decided to starve them to death. Jehovah's Witnesses all around the globe heard it and we were made to understand that Jehovah intervened because HE doesn't want the preaching and teaching work that's already making progress in that region to end so that the organization will start all over again bringing missionaries. That's how miracles happen not just for a show. Matthew 4:5-7

The 'thing' is not real in this case...and nothing is transmitting anything.no signs,no wonders ,no miracles...even if these list exist,the cause is till unknown...and i cannot base my life on claims .

LordReed:
I know that quote, the question is why do you need it if the thing is real? There are cell towers and other equipment sending the signals for our conversation. They are unseen, yet require no faith to have their effect.

It's not a problem until they ask for concrete action, like denying people the basic right to live their lives with whatever sexual orientation they choose.

Its a problem that children are indoctrinated from an early age ...it is dangerous for the existence of humanity(that people who are good will do evil things to please their supposed god)It denies people of the right to think.its a big lie ,that is used to control the society .

yes

OLAADEGBU:
And you worship yourself, no?

"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see".Heb 11:1---cited as good definition,Except you do not agree .I am atheist,if i quote any holy book its definitely not as evidence.

On your question if 'he' exist?. I will say i don't know but i am certain 'he' exist in the minds of lots of people in different forms ,mostly anthropomorphic.

LordReed:
You cannot quote Bible as evidence, bible is a claim. You use evidence to support a claim.

Thank you?

The answer to the First question is in Hebrew 11:1.
The answer to the Second question -I Don't Know.I ma sure 'he' is real and takes different forms (mostly anthropomorphic )in the minds of people.
by the way i like your Socratic method.

LordReed:
So why is faith needed for God? Is he not real?

With all sense of decency ...Cognitive dissonance is one of the idiosyncrasies of theism.

LordReed:
Hahahaha, the cognitive dissonance is very strong with you. LMFAO!

No.The same way faith will not be needed for the sun to die.

LordReed:
I am asking you if you need to exercise faith for it to happen.

With the recent euphoria circulating the internet about joystick theft,I must say it has become worrisome that most Nigerians(even the highly educated) believe that ritualism is responsible for this .Most people are not skeptical enough to ask for proof ,which can simply be observed by the eyes and pictured,they are often overwhelmed by mass hysteria.
To shed a few light on the issue,Joystick theft Panic/joystick Shrinkage or Genital Retraction Disorder is a culture bound syndrome(found in some cultures only) which is listed in The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The syndrome occurs worldwide,and genital-shrinkage anxiety has a history in Africa, Asia, and Europe. In the United States and Europe, the syndrome is commonly known as genital retraction syndrome.The condition can be diagnosed through psychological assessment along with physical examination to rule out genuine disorders of the Instruments that could be causing true retraction.
So, if you happen to find yourself at a scene of a supposed joystick theft ,please save the accused person's life and save us all from misapprehension and be the single voice in the angry mob to ask for evidence. cheesy

Kindly share (same way you are quick to share superstitious believes)and comment .
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The sun does not rise!

LordReed:
When was the last time you exercised faith for the sun to rise?

With the recent euphoria circulating the internet about joystick theft,I must say it has become worrisome that most Nigerians(even the highly educated) believe that ritualism is responsible for this .Most people are not skeptical enough to ask for proof ,which can simply be observed by the eyes and pictured,they are often overwhelmed by mass hysteria.
To shed a few light on the issue,Joystick theft Panic/Penis Shrinkage or Genital Retraction Disorder is a culture bound syndrome(found in some cultures only) which is listed in The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The syndrome occurs worldwide,and genital-shrinkage anxiety has a history in Africa, Asia, and Europe. In the United States and Europe, the syndrome is commonly known as genital retraction syndrome.The condition can be diagnosed through psychological assessment along with physical examination to rule out genuine disorders of the Instruments that could be causing true retraction.
So, if you happen to find yourself at a scene of a supposed penis theft ,please save the accused person's life and save us all from misapprehension and be the single voice in the angry mob to ask for evidence.

Kindly share and comment .
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Dear Atheist...Don't waste your time with religious apologetic, reason is the bedrock of arguments...and it has no place in belief .(However,continue to critique every societal ills and pseudo knowledge without caring who takes offense) Shukrah.

Dear Theists ...Dont waste your time trying to prove your faith.It has no logically explanation,all it requires is belief.If evidence is required then it will cease to be faith...then its science.(keep in mind ,that the voice of God,is usually the desire of crooked men)Shalom.

This claims are absurd...the only history books that you rely on for reference are the same ones that have several claims which propose the impossible and bizarre.

TATIME:
Do you have any evidence that there was a man who lived and later died as your grategrandfather? Please don't tell me what your grandpa said, what we need is "the evidence"! And as for Moses, you surprised me for doubting his existence because Egypt still exist today and their national football team is called Pharaohs of Egypt. Moreover if Moses never existed Egyptians should have publicly discard his story but they dare not because their most revered Prophet Muhammad actually mentioned Moses in connection with the Israelites against none other than "Pharaoh" and his army. If they deny then that means Muhammad is FAKE! My friend, it's not easy to erase facts even if you don't want to accept it.

no one can prove you wrong ,simply because the body of proof lie with the believer.if you claim tupac is still alive...you don't tell people to prove you wrong...you prove to us with magnificent evidence for making such magnificent claims...agree?

Emusan:
No evidence for any sort of god by who, you or me?

What I said is universe can't create itself, if you know it can, proof me wrong.

there is no such thing ...if there was ,the profession will have the highest employee turnover ,hence increasing the pay and cost of mortuary service ...Imagine you on your first day as a mortuary attendant.What prepares you for seeing spirit...HR training...most of them drink themselves numb ,so whatever testimony they give will also be irrelevant .

OLAADEGBU:
If you sincerely want to argue reasonably then consider the following three possibilities where the universe can come from and see how the conclusion leads to Genesis 1:1.

(1). The universe created itself; or

(2). The universe has always existed, or

(3). The universe was created.

1. The universe created itself:

Can something create itself? Can nothing create something? The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something. From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes." It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause. The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something. Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself. That leaves us with options 2 and 3.

You have negated your claims with your first assertion...You affirmed that god was not caused,hence came from nothing .so something can come from nothing ...if we must use this argument you cannot exclude god from the list of being as you will commit fallacy of special pleading.If you see a painting,you will naturally assume that someone drew it...i recently watched a meaningful painting done by an elephant.

2. The univese has always existed:

Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work." This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down. The universe as a whole is losing energy. In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death." This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement. Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work. Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning. The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic, another speculation gone with the air. This leaves us with only one possibility based on science. Which is that:

Your knowledge of science seem to be profound however cherry picked...The age of the universe is not a valid argument ,this sphere is unknown...Science has also speculated the period our star,the sun will burn out ...which will be the end


3. The universe was created:

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

Science confirms the biblical verse that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as we have just shown. With this verse we see that God is outside time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end. He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent. To recognise His handiwork, you should be able to know how to recognise the evidence of the works of His intelligence. This is simple.

The work is not infinitely intelligent...

When I look at a building, how do I know that there was a builder? I can't see him, hear him, touch, smell or taste him. The evidence of a builder is the building I'm looking at. In other words, the building is the proof positive that there was a builder. The building is the product of the intelligence of the builder. Living things are also evidence of design. Wouldn't it be logical to assume that if man's highly intelligent brain designed the computer, then the human brain was also the product of design?

Humans evolved. About the metaphorical builder and the building ...its solipsism to eliminate every other cause .

There is nothing illogical or unscientific about an Eternal Being who has always existed. Nobody created the infinite God. He is the Self-Existent One, the great "I AM THAT I AM" of the Bible. He is outside time because He created time. Everything that has a beginning requires a cause. The universe has a beginning and thus requires a cause. But the almighty God has no beginning since He is beyond time. Therefore, the almighty God does not need a cause.

Yes like i mentioned before...this is a presentable argument,however ,its not valid .It is thinkable but it leaves us with an empty sack ...i have mentioned before that if a being can be outside of time so can the universe...which gives us relativism.My problem again with this argument people claim to know the thoughts of this being,claim to be made in its image(which leaves us with an imaginary old man in the sky)

The discuss of Atheism is not to certainly claim that there is no god,but to critic does who claim they know things without evidence... People kill and die for this believes ,and there are so many of them ...each and everyone true in the mind of the believer and each and everyone wrong in the mind of its non-believers.You as a christian certainly are unbeliever to the other 10,000 gods out there.

it was nice having this discussion.However,if you must keep your faith i will advice you stop asking questions and trying to defend it(just believe)...there is no justifiable claims to it.if there is then it will no longer be called faith(Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.Hebrews 11.1)I know because i was ones called a pastor.

I will not insult you intelligence by assuming you do not really believe this .

OLAADEGBU:
You are no longer an atheist but continue.

Wel...l sincerely to argue reasonably ,it is possible that there is one uncreated creator...however ,no one can claim to know the attributes of this being .

There is no such thing ...the statement you have presented is in itself ridden with infinite contradictions .

OLAADEGBU:
I am talking about the infinite, uncreated Creator and not your minion gods.

I am not here to quote voltaire or insult your intellect ,I am just like you seeking answers and unwilling to accept illogical reasoning...It is not a contest of wit.
I just feel if the creator can be uncreated ...then the universe can also be uncreated in that light.Sincerely if you can convince me ...I am open to creationism.

OLAADEGBU:
Common sense is not common nowadays. God is the infinite uncreated Creator. QED.

Common sense is not common -Voltaire

jokerr:
The last time I checked everyone had common sense and they know wat is good and bad. Quick question, all the killings happening today is it not as a result of religious diversity?, if u check d most peaceful and progressive countries today atheist are a majority. Or are u trying to say dat without religion u will go about raping girls and robbing people? Dats bullshit. With all d religions we have in Nigeria is there peace, instead d country is deteriorating, Killings everywhere, hunger, poverty, diversion of funds.
Take a look at our leaders don't dey belong to one religious group or the other but they still divert funds meant for d betterment of d society to their pockets. So don't tell me dat without religion der won't be peace and security...

With discuss like this, we can excommunicate evil,repudiate superstitions,elevate the narratives of reason ,develop our faculties and evolve mentally...if we must disagree let it be on issues,theories and policies which are not insidious .

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm Mr jokerr Please have some patience! The thread says "Can atheists prove God does not exist?" and my question to you is simple "How do you think the human society could be well organized so that we can coexist in common environs in peace and security?" I never mentioned "Religion" So that's another topic!

or even turn the other cheek

omofolabo6642:
do you love each of your neighbours as much as you love yourself? do you love your enemies aka those out to get you as much as you love yourself?

Let me tell you the things that are in line with god's word in the bible...genocide,sparing the lives of young virgin girls for sex slaves during the genocide of neighboring nations,grabbing their lands,taking of slaves,Thou shall not covet(you must not even THINK of having your rich neighbors things,patriarchy,incest,stoning of witches,Homosexuals and adulterers (only the women)animal and Human sacrifice ( as seen in the scapegoating of jesus)WAS GOD LESS INTELLIGENT AT THAT TIME OR THIS ARE JUST THE THOUGHT OF MEN
will you accept all this things as they are in line with god's word...everyone reads this holy books ,dont claim you know something we dont.

Too much talking doesnt bring justification
Where did Paul say he hates the kingdom of darkness ??
And i realise you keep saying Church .. Church ...
Every Christian must be noble, we don't accept anything until it is in line with God's word.
So personally, i learn the word for myself

we will let this one slide by assuming its mere metaphoric comparison.

frank317:
I often wonder if who ever gave this law was in his right senses when he gave such order. And to think that it was directly from a supposed intelligent, all knowing creator.

Humans can be good. Humans can be very good to each other, but it is plain impossible for anyone to love his neighbour as himself.

A man can make wonderful sacrifices for his neighbor, but no one can love any other as himself. Once that is done his sole purpose for being a human has been defeated.

Loving ur neighbour as ur self means treating everyone u see equally as urself. How is this possible? People, for some reason prefer some people more than the others. People evaluate others and decide how to interact with them based on perceived good or bad responses. People avoid pain and choose pleasure and loving ur neighbor as urself defeats this principle. If u love everyone as urself, u will be defenceless, and sort of stupid.

If everyone loves his neighbour as himself, there will be no competition, and everyone will act like a zombie. Given the need for survival, it is not possible for anyone to love his neighbour as himself.

Why will the creator give such a dumb law? Did he actually expect anyone to carry it out or was it just for the sake of it?

Ok, now that not even a single person out of billions of his creations has ever actually loved his neighbor as himself, does this creator feel like a failure for giving such law?

Or does anyone this it's possible for we naturally selfish beings to love our neighbours as ourselves?

Telling this pastor's story by his believing congregation to their children and children's children ...down the generation for 2000 years will present you an infallible prophet/son of god. this is what religion is in a nutshell.