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Jokerman is correct and to add to what he said, here is a quick review of the time period with scriptural references.
The link at the bottom of this post goes more in depth as it is an in depth topic.
It lists specific questions that people may have ans the answer via scripture.
Please don't get overwhelmed cause it is a lot of info. Take it one scripture at a time.

Folks, this is for those who are searching for truth only.
Very important information.
I didn't always believe a lot about the Bible.
But I also didn't know much. I just accepted what was preached to me at service. I didn't really care much about spiritual things at all growing up.

Until He got a hold of me finally....which I am forever grateful for.

I always, always, always suggest that one sincerely prays to the Holy Spirit for knowledge and understanding.


REVIEW THE EVENTS AT THE CLOSE OF THE 1,000 YEARS:

Third coming of Jesus with His saints (Zechariah 14:5).
Holy city settles on the Mount of Olives, which becomes a great plain (Zechariah 14:4, 10).
The Father, His angels, and all of the righteous come with Jesus (Revelation 21:1–3; Matthew 25:31; Zechariah 14:5).
The wicked dead are raised; Satan is loosed (Revelation 20:5, 7).
Satan deceives the entire world (Revelation 20: verse eight).
The wicked surround the holy city (Revelation 20:9).
The wicked are destroyed by fire (Revelation 20:9).
New heavens and earth created (Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1).
God’s people enjoy eternity with God on the new earth (Revelation 21:2–4).



THE 1,000 YEARS OF REVELATION 20
EVENTS DURING THE 1,000 YEARS

1. The earth in a battered condition from huge hailstones and a devastating earthquake (Revelation 16:18–21). 2. The earth in total blackout and desolate, a “bottomless pit” (Jeremiah 4:23, 28). 3. Satan bound and forced to stay on the earth (Revelation 20:1–3). 4. The righteous in heaven participate in the judgment (Revelation 20:4). 5. The wicked are all dead (Jeremiah 4:25; Isaiah 11:4).


FIRST RESURRECTION - AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 1,000 YEARS


A devastating earthquake and hailstorm (Revelation 16:18–21).
The second coming of Jesus for His saints (Matthew 24:30, 31).
The saved dead raised to life (1 Thessalonians 4:16).
The saved given immortality (1 Corinthians 15:51–55).
The saved given bodies like Jesus (1 John 3:2; Philippians 3:20, 21).
All the righteous caught up into the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
The living wicked slain by the breath of the Lord’s mouth (Isaiah 11:4).
The unsaved dead remain in their graves until the end of the 1,000 years (Revelation 20:5).
New heavens and earth created (Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1).
Satan bound (Revelation 20:1–3).
God’s people enjoy eternity with God on the new earth (Revelation 21:2–4).


SECOND RESURRECTION - AT THE CLOSE OF THE 1,000 YEARS


Third coming of Jesus with His saints (Zechariah 14:5).
Holy city settles on the Mount of Olives, which becomes a great plain (Zechariah 14:4, 10).
The Father, His angels, and all of the righteous come with Jesus (Revelation 21:1–3; Matthew 25:31; Zechariah 14:5).
The wicked dead are raised; Satan is loosed (Revelation 20:5, 7).
Satan deceives the entire world (Revelation 20: verse eight).
The wicked surround the holy city (Revelation 20:9).
The wicked are destroyed by fire (Revelation 20:9).
God's people enjoy eternity with Jesus.


https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4989/t/1000-years-of-peace

Xavfra:
Ma!!
I'm not derailing this thread.

Is Mohammed a white it black man?
Is Saudi Arabia a white or black race country...?


You said I've got inferiority complex...
Nah!!
It's you people who accept Christianity and Islam that have inferiority complex.

I'm not saying you should boycott them...
You have failed to understand my point.

I didn't also say you should serve God and ancestral spirits nah!
Though some Christians still go to the ancestral spirits for powers.



My point exactly remains we should place ourselves high ..

I'm not being a racist .....

And that if you can believe in Christianity or Islam then why do you dump ATR and refer to it as devilish ......

My apologies to the Op, because this thread did get derailed. I still don't get what all of this has to do with the main statement of the thread?
Anyhow, my original, very important point (which you seems to be missing from your quoting of me)fully stated:


"Spiritually though, is there any power to change a sinner into a saint? If African religion can do that, then I would gladly accept it. I wouldn't care if the person who brought it was purple.
I see Christianity as my saving grace."

There is no inferiority complex in serving Christ.
In fact, it is the most "free-ing" complex ever.

I thought Mohammed was a MiddleEasterner which wouldn't make him black or white.
I don't consider Saudi Arabians black or white either.

What do you mean by "place ourselves high"?
Do you mean have high self worth?

A person's core religious belief usually consists of (1) main point that will greatly conflict with other people's core religious beliefs.
If a Christian wants to acknowledge his culture historically, then that's one thing. Nothing wrong with loving and appreciating one's origin.
But when it comes to religion, multiple ways aren't gonna suffice.
One has to pick.
It's not a smorgasboard or buffet where you get to comfortably take 1 part from this religion, another part from this other religion and another from another religion and be comfortable.
You pick one and serve faithfully and loyally.
In Christianity, no other "gods" can exist...regardless of whichever religion they may fall under.
Either one is serving The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel OR he/she is serving the enemy.
What is not of God is of the enemy.
So, as hard as this may sound, there is only one way to the Father in Heaven.

Xavfra:
I find it annoying that all these so called born again Christians and their Muslim brothers believe and see the white man's religion as holy and supreme but perceive and see and refer to African traditional religion as the handwork of the devil.


If you claim you're a Christian and believe in it then you should as well believe in African religion it's simple....

Otem.Atum
CAPS.LOCKED

I'm not quite understanding how this correlates with the Op? Maybe I'm missing something.
But since we're here and got derailed, might as well address it.

You also meant to direct this rant towards Christians only, although you said "Muslim brothers".
Cause the "white" man didn't bring Islam to the Africans did he? Just Christianity right?

No offense meant however, but what is there to believe in "African" religion?
I respectfully say that as a half American and half Nigerian. Aren't there different beliefs within each tribe? I know there is something to be proud of culturally.
So Nigerian christians should try to serve God and their tribal ancestral spirits? Serve both God and mammon?

Spiritually though, is there any power to change a sinner into a saint? If African religion can do that, then I would gladly accept it. I wouldn't care if the person who brought it was purple.
I see Christianity as my saving grace.


Everything is not about "race" sir.
Nigerians do not seem to have an issue with white people...in fact Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, President Donald Trump, and countless celebrities and politicians grace the pages of Nairaland daily.
A high proportion of Nigerian men, might I add, do appear to have a keen and exhorbitant liking (based on what I've read here on N.L) for white females also.
So if we are gonna blame the "white man" for bringing Christianity to Africa, and feel inferior, then perhaps we should just ignore or boycott any type of association with them in this 21st century.....including the use of some of their inventions.
You do see how silly, judgmental, and unrealistic that is right?


Revelation 7:9-10 (KJV)


9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb


God is no respecter of persons, sir. He died for ALL, regardless of some demonic, unconverted people who abused Christianity. In His eternal Kingdom, people of ALL races, colors, tribes, nations, tongues will worship Him in one accord.

Preciousgirl:
Mark 13:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

The "elect" mean those that have chosen to surrender their lives to God.
He says, "chosen", because HE knows who those people are who have chosen Him. God has called or say "chosen" ALL to repentance, however many will not receive His call or choose Him.
Pre-destination is a false doctrine AND would label the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel a liar...which He is not, can not, nor will ever be.

The Bible gives countless scripture verses clearly stating that ALL have a choice: serve the Lord or serve the enemy.
That's it...there is no straddling the fence.
The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament.
There is still an opportunity to surrender to Christ while one us still alive and hasn't silenced the Holy Spirit's voice.


Joshua 24:15 (KJV)

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.


1 Kings 18:21 (KJV)

21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.


Hebrews 12:1-2 (KJV)

12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


Revelation 3:21 (KJV)

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Chosen1984:
My sister, The Ark of Noah was the ark of Safety..

JESUS CHRIST Represents that Ark Today!

The Great Tribulation is not a safe place or time for Anybody!
All killings and Persecutions of Believers all these while on Earth is the Persecution that we pass through as Belivers on Earth! Many have died because of being Believers! Many have lost their homes !

The Grace of GOD will not be here anymore during the Great Tribulation!

The Great Tribulation is for 2 purposes
1. For the Isrealites ( The very Elect)to direct them to the Messiah JESUS CHRIST.

2. For the Nations and people who Have Rejected GOD..

It's not for the people of GOD! Don't aspire for that if you have Heaven in your mind!

You may not be able to Survive it!

The Bible says for the sake of the Elect( Isreal) it will be Shortened!

I would like to share this link to a short 11 minute message (by a sola-scriptura) pastor entitled, "Will The Church Go Through The Great Tribulation?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7gq7e1TkYU


I know people are skeptical about clicking links here on Nairaland...because of fraudsters and hackers. I totally understand, because I, myself, was a victim (by innocently clicking on a few links) when I first joined the site.
I can promise you, with God as my witness, that this is no scam, hack, fraudulent link.

This is very pressing, important and critical for this time right now.
While I am praying that multiple people will view the message, someone in particular, has been praying, searching and needs the truth.
All I know is that God has impressed me to do this today.

Praying for the Holy Spirit to guide and instruct in this critical truth.

donnie:
Thank you my sister.
While I do not support speaking against what powerful men like Pastor Chris are doing in speaking up, we should also prepare ourselves and our brethen to go through whatever it takes and to remain in the faith, resisting evil, especially this evil mark.

Messiah preached and emphasized endurance, not escape. If we are raptured before the tribulation, great, if we are not, we endure until the end.

Mathew 24:13
"But he who endures to the end shall be saved."

Blessings to you too ...
At the above bolded, I really don't know much about the pastor above. Only learned about him through Nairaland.
Have never listened to any sermon by him..although I can look him up on Youtube.
There are many controversial headlines regarding him today here on the Religion section...and quite a number concerning him on a regular basis.
Not sure of his theology..only that he appears to be very popular and has a "mega church" (in terms of members).
I have many thoughts about "certain" controversial topics pertaining to the biblical end times, but I don't speak about them openly for now. I think, we, Christians have to be very wise when dealing with matters such as those...but properly understanding "how" and "when" prophecy is to be fulfilled.
I was just viewing these troublous times we live in, in light of a "pestilence(s)" (which the Bible states will occur) causing havoc.

Incrizz:
God bless you Sis.

Kindly explain also to your siblings and loved ones so that they can watch and pray.

God's blessings to you as well...

Chosen1984:
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Madam , you are Misunderstand the Bible!

Did you see like in the days of Noah!

Don't be Deceived my dear! But as u say with your mouth , so be it for you!


In The History of Humanity GOD ALMIGHTY has never punished the righteous with the Wicked!

Like in the days of Noah! Did u see Noah suffer with the ungodly!

Like in the days of lot! Did u see lot Perish with the Ungodly!

Wake up my dear and Read the Bible with your eyes open!

If it were to be like you profess, that indirectly you know when JESUS Will come.

The Bible records the Great Tribulation is for 7years

At the Midst of the 7Seven years, the antichrist will break the Covenant! That simply you can predict when your Rapture comes!

But JESUS tells you that no man knows the day of his Coming!

Receive Divine Help for Understanding and don't be carried away with so called Revelation and Prophecy!

GOD Has not Changed! And Cannot Change!
His Word is the Guide not Revelation or Prophecies! devil gives Revelation also!

All the same , u can choose to Remain here

It's ok sir.
A lot of people here on Nairaland think I'm confused on a lot of scripture.
All I can hope is that people allow the Holy Spirit to guide them into ALL truth..
There aren't supposed to be 1 million different interpretations for scripture passages.

Anyhow, I don't like to argue or debate anyone on this platform..especially not followers of Christ.
I can only say state my convictions.
I saw this thread and was gonna be silent until I saw someone who rightfully interpreted the scripture passages.
I was compelled to speak.
I am well aware that brethren will disagree.
I don't like when it becomes combative.

So let me explain it a little more clearly.
Noah was safe in the ark WHILE the flood was occurring. Yes, he and the (7) others--his family-- were not harmed. But they did go through the flood.
God's faithful few--in the last days-- who have not been murdered for their faith will be alive and present through the tribulation, however they will not be harmed.
God will shield them.
There is no scriptural evidence of a "secret rapture" nor a rapture of the church--God's faithful-- BEFORE Christ comes.
People have misinterpreted this important scriptural issue--I believe unknowingly.

LordReed:
This doesn't answer how a supposedly wise and benevolent god will plan all this suffering in advance. Especially as he supposedly knows all the outcomes in advance. He either revels in the suffering or he is incompetent.

LMFAO! Volatile? Restless? Bwahahahahaha! You are simply uncomfortable that someone could question your beliefs with candor. I am not moved one bit by any of the things you think are reasons to fear because your god is a figment of your imagination so is hell and the rest of your theology. I merely engage with you to help you understand how I see it. It has nothing to do with reality.

Alright...

Incrizz:
This is the verse referenced for rapture:

Mathew 24:
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

But check verse 37 of that same Mathew 24,

The rapture described in verses 40-41 was caused by verses 37

Mathew 24: 37

"36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

The rapture in verses 40 & 41 is caused by the COMING OF THE SON OF MAN.
Without Jesus apperance, there can be no rapture!

As also described in Thessalonians 4:16,

"1 Thessalonians 4:16
"16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Without Jesus apperance, there can be no rapture!


The tribulation is what will cause the love of many, who aren't watching to wax cold.

Revelation 3:10,
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell in the earth.

We shall all be tested!

Pass your test!

We get raptured when Christ appears and we get caught up with Him in the air (for those of us still alive by then).

Because from the Bible, we get caught up, or vanish, when we get caught up with Him in the air.

If Jesus doesn't show up, there CANNOT be a "rapturing"!

OR, are you suggesting Jesus will come three times?
By three times I mean:
-His birth
-before tribulation and
-after tribulation?

Because, everytime -Scripture refers to rapture, it is in connection with the appearance of JESUS!

so.lite3
don.nie
Joker.man


The rapture will not happen till after the tribulation as stated clearly in verse 3 below:

2 Thess 2:1-3

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Very well written.
The remnant church (meaning the wheat--those who have sincerely served Christ in spirit and truth) will have to go through the great tribulation, but will come through triumphant.

If the martyrs of old had to go through the horrific "Dark Ages", (persecution by the Roman Church), the disciples and reformers had to endure persecution and death, why would that be any less for God's people today?
Even Christ Himself had to endure suffering and death for the greater cause of humanity.

The Lord will not return until this momentus event occurs.
I think that Hollywood's "smooth, comfortable and erroneous version" of the Biblical rapture has confused many sincere children of God.
The Holy Spirit revals truth and understanding to those that really seek for it.

LordReed:
I don't have to quote your entire post to make the point I'm making which you have done nothing to refute since of course you can't refute it anyway.


[b]It doesn't matter what the plan is if at the end of the day untold billions are just going to live, suffer, die then go for another round of suffering. This should be unconscionable to any empathetic thinking being. This scenario cannot be the plan of a god of wisdom, it has to be the plan of a foolish and/or incompetent god. No empathetic being would ever plan this much suffering in advance.

The plan of salvation was/is all about how to reconcile a "lost" world back to Christ.
The unfortunate ending of sin is a by-product of the main goal.

Hellfire is not a continual burning....so your "second round of suffering" is only for a moment.
"Everlasting" means one is burned until he/she no longer exists.
As horrific as it is, this has to occur in order to finally eradicate "sin".
Sir, this is a choice that many people have made.
They do not have to choose that fate...eternal condemnation.
You do not have to sir.

Hellfire is a whole other study, but just wanted to throw that piece in.


2 Peter 3:9(KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

That scripture tells one about the love of God and His patience towards us...waiting for some of us to make the choice.
We serve Him because we have chosen to do so based on our gratitude for what He has done for us....taking the penalty for our sins.
We do not serve Him because of fear of hellfire.
If so, then that would be a worthless faith.

I know you don't have peace because you wouldn't be so violatile if you did. Your aggressive, vicious questioning and mockery have you restless..
Which is why I'm praying specifically for you--cause you have a glimpse of something.
I'll just leave it at that.
As I said before though, your specific choice does not stop God's plan...what will happen in these final events of earth's history.
The earth (as we know it) had a beginning and will certainly have an end....regardless...and how God chooses to do that is not our decision to make. Remember that He is the Creator. We are the creation. All we have to do is "choose".
I sincerely hope you choose Him.


P.S.
I do not subscribe to Jehovah Witnesses' overall beliefs, but I think they have the "hellfire" doctrine of NOT being an everlasting, "continual" burning correct.

LordReed:
Thank you for your good wishes.

I did not add to what you said. It is exactly what you said I reiterated. You said your god is trying to rid the world of sin, what effort do you think your god is putting if not as stated in your bible? Do you not believe that your god destroyed an uncounted number in a flood? Do you not believe he is going to repeat that type of destruction with fire? Is all this destruction ostensibly to rid the world of sin?

Well if it's written in the Bible, I do believe it.
Oh, but you sliced off 99 percent of my original post.
I thought you quoted all of my original post.
But perhaps you didn't. My apologies if I'm wrong about that.

See we're told (followers of Christ that is) to read scripture passages ...line upon line, precept upon precept..you know in the full context.
You, however, took my (1) sentence--which I definitely wrote and meant-- and refused to read the sentences before AND after that sentence.
Be fair sir.

The plan of salvation was to send the Only Substitute to carry the sins of a fallen earth (courtesy of Adam and Eve's disobedience), restore man back to his original state of perfection and relationship with God, and to create a new world where sin will never arise again.
Sin is the issue here.
I explained "why" people who have chosen NOT to believe through faith, confess their sins, repent and surrender their lives to Christ --which would subsequently make them "sinners"--will have to be punished along with satan and his angels.
Any thing or person associated with sin (the devastating problem that has caused all of this generational destruction on earth) cannot enter into the new Jerusalem....

The Holy Spirit is the only One who can give you wisdom and understanding about what has to occur on this earth...if you truly want the understanding.
I am committed to doing my part..as I told you in my former post.

In a bid to be fair to ALL people regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, gender, or LOCATION etc., I am reposting the following:


Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



1 John 4:1 (KJV)

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


How this must grieve God so tremendously to see humans using His name for personal profit and deceiving people...and on their way to eternal damnation.
It's truly disheartening and disgusting.
This is why God has pleaded with people to pray for the Holy Spirit to give discernment, understanding and wisdom...and to test the spirits...
Professors of Christ, you are gonna be held responsible for following "wolves in sheep' clothing".

I wonder did these men start out sincerely serving the Lord and then allow stronghold to have them bound by satan OR were they sent by satan from the beginning?

I hope they decide to surrender, repent and turn their lives over to the Savior before it's too late..if they are not already fully reprobate.

LordReed:
You guys make your god seem clueless. Your god can make a whole universe but needs to destroy billions of people over and over again to rid the earth of sin? What kind of incompetence is that?

Hello sir,
Long time.......I see you are still passionate about your "belief of no belief".
You know that's not what I explained at the bolded.
You are miscontruing and misleading folks...as usual.
As I always have said, "You have a right to expression."

You have to know that you specifically and personally have been added to my prayer list don't you?
Ok?
That's all I want you to know

We are to obey the laws of the land so long as they don't usurp or conflict with our duty to God.

We have two examples: 1). Daniel, and 2). Shadrach, Meschach and Abednego.

They were excellent examples of followers of Christ who lived holy lives before the Lord AND man, yet had to make life-changing decisions in regards to obedience and loyalty to the Lord.

Daniel 1:4-6, 9 (KJV)

4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.

5 And the king appointed them a daily provision of the king's meat, and of the wine which he drank: so nourishing them three years, that at the end thereof they might stand before the king.

6 Now among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah:


9 Now God had brought Daniel into favour and tender love with the prince of the eunuchs.


Please read through the following scriptural passages to see the powerful decisions made and subsequent testimonies born of these young men:


Daniel 6:1-28 (KJV)
Daniel 3:1-30 (KJV)

It appears (from what I've read) that the Nigerian government has banned any gathering at a church building. Not quite sure though because some info looks appears to conflict with other info.
My particular state in my country has set guidines for how worship can be conducted, so I have a little more "wiggle" room or freedom than you guys.
Remember, however, that God looks at the heart AND motives of a person.
If you desire to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth..as you usually have done, then no "ban" should have stopped you.
Now let me make myself VERY CLEAR.
If the laws have indefinitely banned you from gathering in a church building, then obviously you cannot "gather there".
If they have banned you from gathering anywhere in the city...no exclusions, then you stay at home, (masks on, gloves on, 6ft social distancing, sitting in your backyard or wherever on your home area etc.)...and worship the Lord regardless because you still have an obligation to worship your Lord and Savior.
They closed a building...
They didn't close your worship to Him.

Matthew 18:20 (KJV)

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Revelation 21:8 (KJV)

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Everyone has a choice to either believe or "not" believe.
The consequences of the decisions do not change God's plan of salvation just because someone may think it's untrue and/or unfair.
Hell-fire was not intended for human beings (Matthew 25:41 KJV).
However, those who have made their choice will have to be destroyed with the angels.
God is trying to rid the earth of sin and its devastation and destruction for eternity.
No one who has decided to not confess and forsake his/her sin will be entering a kingdom where no sin will ever exist again.
Why bring that there so this can start all over again? No way is God gonna let that happen.
Think about this.
If I'm not willing to surrender to Christ and give up my sinful destructive nature, then why would I want to live in His new kingdom of peace and perfection...everything opposite of this sin-filled earth?
I would not be happy there.
The bad news: most will not make the choice for eternity.
The good news: a few will...even here on Nairaland.
I hope to meet those few someday in Heaven...
Hopefully the convo would go like this:
"Hi, I never met you in person. I was a "hellion" on the website Nairaland. I relentlessly and ferociously blasphemed, mocked, ridiculed, abused and bullied Christians and their God on there.
I was the moniker named_____. You were the moniker named ______. I had a powerful experience with God one day, confessed, repented and eventually surrendered my life to Him!"

Not only clergy say that they have a "burden to pray" for something, but so does the average follower of Christ who has a connection to and relationship with Christ.
A burden in Christendom terms can be a "longing" a "feeling that won't go away", an intensity or extreme desire...

Honestly, there is no way that a sincere follower of Christ can profess that yet have no burden to pray for humanity to ultimately know God's truth.
It's like me having discovered Nairaland....especially spending the majority of my time here in the religion section and NOT having a burden once I leave this section.
Something would be tremendously "off" in my walk with Christ if I felt nothing after reading the thoughts and beliefs of some here.
Some of it appears so fantastical and comical, that one could surmise that it's just entertainment.
But I don't think so. I think people really believe what they write...probably through how they have been raised..or cultural influence or both.
The Holy Spirit impresses hearts to pray, do or pray AND do when one is connected to Him.

helpmeohgod:
In the days of Noah, God used Noah to warn the people to enter his ark or be destroyed of an impending flood.
In the days of pharoah of Egypt. The king dreamt about years of plenty of harvest of food and another years of famine. God used joseph to interpret the kings dreams.
In the days of old before any possible outcome of pandemic, God will usually choose one of his prophets or loved one to warn the people of possible outcome.
Now with over one billion churches in the world is there not one loved prophet of God to emphatically warn us of the impending corona virus?
WHERE ARE THE PROPHETS OF OLD
OH GOD MAKE ME ONE OF THE PROPHETS OF OLD.

Noah preached and preached and preached for 120 years and was mocked, scoffed, ridiculed, and mimicked.....until the flood actually came and ONLY 8 people were saved.

So if the God of the antidelluvian world is still the same God of today, then He has sent warnings.
In the days of old, there were no written manuscripts. The Word of the Lord was passed on by word of mouth.
The warnings, today, are in His Holy Word.

God still has human mesengers though that give the loud cry--the warning to an earth that is fast on the track to destruction. The prophets/messengers should direct one back to the Word of God.....


Matthew 24:6-13 (KJV)

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.



Revelation 14:6-12 (KJV)

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


I am sure, that through the muck and mire of false prophets, false predictions, prosperity gospels, false Christianity and a dilution of God's true gospel that you will find that He still has a remnant of modern day prophets who are preaching yet are being dismissed.
I really suggest that in the midst of this world-wide pandemic and colossal fear that many are nursing, that you and anyone else who may be struggling right now, find time to sincerely pray to God (pour out your true feelings) and dig into His Word. The Holy Spirit always gives clarity, calmness, understanding to those who hunger and thirst to know Him. He alone can give you peace and a sound mind in spite of...regardless of what is occurring presently.

I have this fascination with angels (the Holy ones) because they have such an awesome assignment to minister to God's people here on earth whether spiritually or physically.
They shield from danger, encourage, protect from disaster, sometimes appear in human form etc.
I, personally, have had two experiences where I promise you that I could not (in any way) attribute them other to being angels in human form sent to encourage me. One person who is not religious witnessed one incident. I tell you that those two incidents exponentially strengthened my faith to the point that I could never deny God's existence.

Hebrews 13:2 (KJV)

2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.


Genesis 19:1-3, 15-16 (KJV)

1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city



Psalm 91:11,12 (KJV)

11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone


We each have a guardian angel assigned to us at birth and as fantastical as it sounds, it just lets me know once more how loving God is towards us. How He actively sends His messengers to comfort us as best as possible until His second return.

Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)


20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1 John 4:1 (KJV)

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


How this must grieve God so tremendously to see humans using His name for personal profit and deceiving people...and on their way to eternal damnation.
It's truly disheartening and disgusting.
This is why God has pleaded with people to pray for the Holy Spirit to give discernment, understanding and wisdom...and to test the spirits...
Professors of Christ, you are gonna be held responsible for following "wolves in sheep' clothing".

I wonder did these men start out sincerely serving the Lord and then allow stronghold to have them bound by satan OR were they sent by satan from the beginning?

I hope they decide to surrender, repent and turn their lives over to the Savior before it's too late..if they are not already fully reprobate.

Throughout my roughly 3 years (minus multiple deactivations and reactivations...plus some months-long hiatus) on this forum, I have seen and experienced:
1). A relatively small amount of "good"
2). An exhorbitant amount of "bad"
3). An uncontainable amount of "ugly" (behavior that is)

I stumbled onto this site (after exploring it) eagerly wanting to learn more about my Nigerian side.
Through many bumps, bruises, mistakes and unintentional ignorance, I have gotten a much better glimpse into the thought patterns, culture, similarities and differences that we share... and still learning.

YET it is my faith in Who I believe in, and the immeasurable importance of maintaining a super strong prayer life that has grown by having joined this forum.
My eyes have been opened to a world where people truly have different beliefs and wholeheartedly cling to them passionately.
I have been encouraged tremendously by some posters here in this section..challenged...corrected...of which it had to be the Holy Spirit using them.
I have experienced frustration, anger and sadness to indescribable heights.
I'm having to go back and re-examine where I stand in the faith. Areas in which I need growth...
My prayer list of people has recently increased tenfold...

I ultimately thank God for the blessings and growth both (the good and the bad) as a result of finding this website.

Praise God if this story is true.
Even to death, those that truly have surrendered to Christ have an inexplainable peace and faith that should be exhibited to the unbelieving. It seems like this priest witnessed in a powerful way to the atheist.

Let us not forget to sincerely pray for the medical personnel/healthcare workers (in all categories) who are on the front lines in treating ill people.

solite3:
I still thank God for few people like you it gives me the joy and comfort that there many and women who love Jesus in truth.

Truly humbled sir.
There's still a remnant of people who sincerely want to surrender their lives to the Lord and fully serve Him...no matter what may happen.
All I know about myself is that my love for my Lord and Saviour has been recently renewed and it is truly the most wonderful thing in the world for me.

solite3:
God bless you for this, I believe women can be pastors but not over christian men.
You are 100% correct

Thank you sir.
I am convicted about this.

I hope you are not trying to mock, but I'd like to answer.

The sincere, true church is comprised of fellow believers.
There is power in the corporate gathering of people of like minds worshiping our Saviour in spirit and in truth.
Members gather (or at least are supposed to gather) for the purpose of encouragement, edification, admonition, support, fellowship, and to get re-energized to partake in the ministry of winning souls to Christ.
There is power in touch and communication.
That is something that cannot be gained by self-isolation and with non-believers.
So no, it isn't safe to say that the physical structure should be forever closed.

However, it is not necessary to build huge, extravagant buildings which foster pride. It is not okay to be obsessed with "prosperity" in its many forms either.
A simple building with a sturdy roof, working doors, a clean and safe inside area etc., is sufficient.

The church is Christ' bride. He died for it and will always see it as the apple of his eye.

richdavid5:
I saw it again. This time more scary. The end-time is more than nigh. It will happen like a flash unexpected and time shall be no more for repentance. In my dream, it was as if God shut his ears. I saw multitude of people running into a church. But inside that church, screaming and shouting everywhere; people making utterances to heaven. Behold it was as if a strange spirit entered into some people more clearly, I remember seeing an old man who was beside me whom the said spirit entered into and as he let out a cry, he disappeared and few other people. At that point, I realised that the rapture has taken place. I cried the more. Immediately, the devil took over and started making mockery of the left over Christians. He had a register of everyone's name...At this point, I woke up. The end is more than near. What breaks my heart the most is that many people in the church will not make it if Jesus comes now?Many are unaware that the end is near. Don't tell me that it's advancement in technology or development. If any area of your life is not in sync with God's word - Repent and be converted. If you miss heaven you can never miss hell...think about it. Hell is not a pretty place, the worst part is that it is for eternity...Don't keep this message and don't get annoyed when u receive this just do the whole world a favour and keep broadcasting the Lord Jesus coming, u might save a lost soul. Please rather than post and forward senseless messages. Send to everyone you know. Do the work of an evangelist
please SHARE THIS MESSAGE WITH ALL YOUR CONTACTS. Have you ever wondered what would have happened if we treat the Holy Bible the way we treat our mobile phone?And we really can't live without it. Only 7% will resend this message. Don't be among the 93% who will not share the message. Satan said "I wonder how humans claim to Love God and disobey Him, and claim that they hate me yet they obey me'' do not send

I do 100 percent wholeheartedly believe we are living in the last days of Earth's history...
The doctrine of the "secret rapture" that has been taught in churches for a very long time, I disagree with.
The bible teaches that the remnant church will go through the great tribulation--with the whole world--but will be shielded by God.


Matthew 24:21-22 (KJV)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Daniel 12:1 (KJV)

12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


Was curious to know the name of the book there?

As dictated by my country (the U.S.)and particular state, I followed the guidelines for attending service (which for me was yesterday) although it was an abbreviated type of service.

What I found was interesting is that people still need food and are willing to do what it takes to receive some.
We have a food truck ministry (each month) where we prepare crates of food for needy families. We go by the "honor system", meaning we do not make the people prove they need it. They just fill out how many people are in their household.
We give point blank.
The people, in the midst of this pandemic, still came out to get the food (yesterday) and were so grateful that we still came out to distribute.
I was blessed in the midst of "blessing" others.
Not bragging here, but being practical about the needs out here.
Not everyone should be fearful and hide.
People should help others as best as possible.

So I would encourage churches (that are able and that can mobilize a few members) to deal with folks' physical needs and then still spread Christ' message of hope. People need food, water, the basics etc.


Please follow the rules, mandates and guidelines that Nigerian governmental officials have stated/defined. Do not forget each other though.

sholay2011:
I like how you stated your perspective even I don't fully agree.

Please check out Rev. Mrs. Oyenike Areogun.

Thank you sir.
I respect the way you replied although you disagree.
Will do so. It may be very enlightening for me.

Finallydead,
Sir or madam...
I see that you are wanting to debate God's Word.
I'm not here for that.
I'm not sure if you are a follower of Christ, but if so, there's a way to speak and in this case "type" in a non-aggressive, non-insulting manner.
You have questioned my prayer life, called my belief "demonic", insulted my use of biblical examples, and challenged me to bring evidence to why I do not believe your view etc.

This gives fodder to the people of "other" religions, and the unbelieving scoffers and mockers who claim to believe in "nothing."
They see the arguments, strife, debates, extreme fanaticism, unconverted, and more within Christianity and boy, do they mock us!

If you feel "called" to tell women that they are "called" to pastoral ministry, then by all means do so. You are free to shout from the roof-top.

I came to a thread, gave my belief and that's that.
My belief...is my belief and I feel it is scripturally supported.
I did not give Deborah as an example because she was a "judge". We were speaking about pastoral ministry. I used Jezebel because she was in a leadership position that affected all of Israel...God's people.

The beauty of my birth country is that I am allowed freedom of speech, and religion etc.,..at least for now.
What's even MORE beautiful than that is that the only really important entity Whose opinion/affirmation matters to me is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
Oh, and also the opinion of the physical man whom I will be presented to as his bride...and he my groom...if that is God's plan for me in the future.

So, if you'd like to meet up on another thread somewhere in this section and converse about the need for professors of Christ to fervently wrestle in prayer for ALL of the Fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, meekness, faith, self-control) and to release the fruit of the flesh (anger, strife, debating, pride, having a mean spirit, insulting others etc.), please mention me. I'd be up for that.
God bless you too

Finallydead,
Yes, there was a thread on this topic a few months ago and I purposely chose to stay silent.
Just happened to see this the other day and decided to give a female's perspective on it.
I think we're gonna ultimately have to "agree to disagree".
Sorry for using Ahab/Jezebel. I was trying to show what happens when a man doesn't stand in his head-ship. Ahab was wrong from the beginning because he chose to marry a non-believer. He paid dearly for that decision.
I know Joyce Meyer's ministry and Paula White.
I wasn't aware that Joyce Meyer was a pastor, but I know that Paula White is.
I don't suscribe to the "prosperity gospel", so I would fundamentally have an issue with both of the ladies' ministries. They also have some theological issues that cause me concern.
Anyhow, I know that women can and do serve mightily in many areas of the church as well as outside ministries.
I do not believe that women are called to "pastor" churches. I am sorry, but I do not.
I do not believe that women are called to be bishops or elders either (1 Tim. 3 KJV)

I think culture has influenced the church more than the church has influenced the world.
If the culture back then allegedly held women back from serving in certain positions, then the cultute of today has moved in the opposite extreme. That tells me that "culture" cannot be trusted. I believe God's order...which has never changed.
The ironic thing is that I have been called a "feminist", "controlling", "want to be the husband in a relationship" etc., right here on Nairaland simply because I have a "voice/opinion" and I express it. I just laugh to myself, because folks don't know me.
Call me crazy, but I think a sincere Godly man walking humbly yet confidently through Christ Jesus in his calling, in anyplace, is close to perfection. I happen to believe though, that a few "callings" (especially the pastoral ministry) in a church setting are reserved FOR men...and I really like that.
What the "world" deems as equality is not the same manner that Christ views church structure.
It's okay for women NOT to do every job that a man does or feel that she has to have the same calling as a man. Women are still viewed as equal in God's eyes. We just have different functions.
I do not care for titles because oftentimes they produce pride and arrogance.
I am actually very comfortable with serving/ministering in the background.
I will check out the woman pastor that you suggested I research.

As a woman myself, I would say that a church where a woman is a pastor or bishop is "out of God's divine order". I would not attend it.

There is a reason why God has this following order in the family which also shoild be the pattern in the church:
Christ
Godly man
Godly woman

Just a few scriptures....

Genesis 2:18 (KJV)
1 Corinthians 11:3-12 (KJV)
Ephesians 5:22-23 (KJV)


The responsibility falls on the man first...which is why Adam was who God called first, although it was Eve who was seduced and deceived and caused sin to occur.
A man that sits under a woman in a pastoral role in a church setting relinquishes the God-given authority given to him. Instead of him covering the woman, she assumes the head-ship role in the relationship..which is out of order.
We can see the consequences of a role-reversal of God's divine order by the example of King Ahab and Queen Jezebel... (1 Kings 16:29 KJV-the first introduction of the wicked pair).
Follow the story to see how it ends.
Now let me be balanced here.
God's divine order is not to be confused with some abusive patriarchal cultural norms, that occur in many developing countries.. cough...Nigeria...cough...sorry folks but it's true.
A woman has a voice, but she is not to disrespect or usurp power from the man.
Godly men are not to abuse their authority.

When God's divine order (inside and outside of church) is followed (by both individuals), peace and order reigns.

Samunique:
Christianity has suffered alot in Nigeria from the internal and external enemies, through severe persecutions, killings, destruction of christian properties, most especially in the north, and also, political manipulations to choke the church growth. But inspite of all these, the church has always come out strong.


However, the most deadly war, which the church is not taking seriously in Nigeria now, that may consume the church very soon, is the e-war, online sponsored lies and propagandas by the enemies of the church, 80% of which is coming from the camp of the other religion.

Ever since that particular religion was exposed for its lies and terror inclinations as a result of many deadly terror attacks being carried out on daily basis here in Nigeria and all over the world, their camp here in Nigeria has drawn up evil plans to destroy the church using online lies and propagandas through some machinations and paid agents, to dig out videos, so many other things to desecrate and discredit christian faith.

If you notice, our top men of God in Nigeria are being attacked and ridiculed daily all over the cyberspace in Nigeria.
Why ? Bcs that's the agenda! "since they call us terrorists let us call them thieves". and destroy them through our tongues!!!

But my biggest worries are these,
So many of the so called Nigerian christians are ignorant of this thereby falling for the scam, while many are even helping the enemies ignorantly to achieve their goal by dancing to their tunes,not knowing that the music is from the camp of the enemy.

Lastly, u said Islam is the predominant religion in Nigeria?
That's the biggest lie they tried to sell to us!!!

I repeat, it's the biggest lie of the millennium!!!

I will send you a link later, by a nairaland brother, it may be of help to you for some research on your own.

Meanwhile, shout-out to the op !!!

@Xpanciated

Yes, I've seen so much here in this section.
I had to change my thoughts about how to approach the chaos/disorder.
Just know that I am praying deeply for you guys.
Nairaland has given me so much more insight into & understanding in a few areas...finally...after 3 years (minus a several months absence) and a few months.
I see so much here to lift up to the Lord daily that it almost gets overwhelming at times.
However, I am determined to daily lift up the nation...in every aspect.

God has told Christians to endure to the end.
Don't give up.
A crown and eternity are waiting for the faithful.