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Let me give just a few of the numerous scriptures (which I failed to do on my first post here), that will further support my previous answer. SIN AND HUMANS Romans 3:23 (KJV) 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God 1 John 3:4 (KJV) 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 5:18 (KJV) 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. GOD'S VIEW OF SIN Isaiah 59:2 (KJV) 2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. 1 Thessalonians 4:7 (KJV) 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness Matthew 5:48 (KJV) 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. GOD'S REMEDY FOR VICTORY OVER SIN/DEATH...HIS LOVE FOR FALLEN HUMANS John 3:16 (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. OVERCOMING SIN 1 John 1:9 (KJV) 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Psalm 37:24 (KJV) 24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand Proverbs 24:16 (KJV) 16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief. GOD'S BLESSINGS Lamentations 3:22-23 (KJV) 22 It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. 23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness FAILURE TO CONFESS/REPENT OF SIN Romans 6:1 (KJV) 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Hebrews 10:26 (KJV) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Matthew 7:13 (KJV) 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: CC: MRAKPORS and any others that may read. Sorry so long a post from me. I usually don't entertain extremely lonnnng posts or try to write them because it wearies the eyes and doesn't achieve its intended objective (Ex. the poster above me), but I needed to get these scriptures in. Thanks... |
MRAKPORS:Excuse me for interrupting here. I think you may want some practical ways in which this might happen. I am not quite sure that God functions in that manner, because sometimes "life" happens to everyone whether Christian or not. Yes, He has stated many times in scripture that choosing to live a life surrendered to Him=blessings (which can be a variety of things). Even tough circumstances, can result in blessings too. Blessings are everywhere if one can see that in his/her life. When a Christian sins or falls (at times), blessings are not immediately taken away, if that is what you are asking. There's a difference between professing Christ, yet falling sometimes, as opposed to living in blatant, open sin and not acknowledging Christ. My example would be the following: When a Christian who's enjoying a relationship with the Lord falls, he/she loses some of God's full presence and abundance in your life. He's there, but one will tend to run from him because of fear. There's also a sense of guilt and emptiness that comes when one sins...and knows that it's wrong and hurts God. What a person really wants, is to know that God's love, favor and approval is on him/her...regardless of material things. There is a peace that one has when he/she daily tries to live a life surrendered to the Lord. Sin corrupts that peace and breaks the relationship. But God is not a tyrant who immediately withdraws His blessings. It's more of a spiritual concept, that occurs than physical. Also understand that it's dangerous to base God's blessings as a sign of his approval. One can never just use physical blessings as a measure of God's approval and blessing in one's life, because the enemy ALSO can bless abundantly with wealth, and be sure that his "wealth" is temporary and not borne out of a genuine love. A person (professed Christian or not)could be living in blatant, open sin, yet be an extremely hard worker and be wealthy or have what appears a "smooth life". That's just the laws of nature..so to speak. If you work hard, then this more than likely will occur. However, if sin is present and God tries to repeatedly get one's attention (to confess and repent), but the person ignores, then He moves back slowly but surely and allows one to do his/her thing. Sin runs its course and finally destroys a person. Some of the posters here tried to explain it. Hope I didn't confuse you. |
alBHAGDADI:You implied it sir. You know what you are doing with this thread. Your whole message basically is telling women that they are "cursed" for not submitting to their husbands. Then you put the "lord" scripture last... You are quite intelligent. You didn't properly give the entire submission/respect/obedience relationship between husband and wife. You also used "feminism" in a twisted sort of way. It's okay though. You have a right to your "own" perspective ![]() |
Hmmmm...kinda interesting topic. Not sure I agree with the title. Looks like you did a "play-on-words" sort of thing here. This caught my eye because I actually had made reference (on another thread) to a few women in the Bible calling their husbands "lord". I think I need to clarify that a little better. However, let me address the word "feminisim" in a Godly marriage. I'm not sure that the term fits or is being used properly. I know Nigerians are obsessed with the use of the word and use it so frequently and broadly to label any woman--regardless of religion or not--and who (has a personality/voice) of her own-- as one. That is quite unfortunate. The secular use of the word feminism should not be used in a non-secular situation. Op you are directly doing that, although you say you are not. I can also understand women wanting to be treated fairly...(although that is a topic for another time and section). The scripture the OP was referring to was the following: 1 Peter 3:6 (KJV) 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. The OP, I believe, was saying that Christian women in marriages should be obeying their husbands. He went a step further and said that by NOT calling their husbands "lord" , they are basically placing a curse on themselves. I disagree. I think that we, sometimes, take scripture out of context to justify certain behaviors, rather than praying for true understanding and wisdom. We should look at the use of the term, "lord" in the broader scope. I initially thought that women were calling their husbands "lord" regularly. (Ex. "Lord Abraham" or "Lord David" etc.,) I do not, now, believe that is what was meant by what Sarah did. I don't think she did that. I think she was honoring her husband's head-ship over the household. Respecting and honoring him as the spiritual leader over their family...of course as he was led by the Creator...Christ. Ephesians 5:22-25 (KJV) 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it As the scriptures state, there is a mutual "submission" /respect to each other. Both genders need to do something in order to make for a peaceful, Godly family. A whole lot of love, respect, humility, forgiveness and self-control, need to take place. However, no spouse should oppress the other by not allowing him/her the dignity to have a "voice". Christianity is not an oppressive religion. I know some couples who actually use the terms, "beloved", "bride", "groom", "husband", "wife" to refer to their spouse. I love those uses. I do not think that Christ would have a spouse referring to another as "lord". That could cause a very "sticky" situation. That title (in my humble opinion) belongs to Jesus and God. |
I am touched by the overwhelming support for this man shown on the thread. I am not familiar with him..will look him up though. Seems as though he was one of God's humble servants, who plainly preached the gospel with simplicity. May he rest peacefully and his family be comforted. |
Nice post. It is very important to try and maintain a "good name" as the Bible states. Proverbs 22:1 (KJV) 1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold. Also you are so correct in saying that a person could have lived an almost 100 percent integrity filled life, make a mistake and then only be remembered for that particular mistake. Even Jesus Christ (the Creator of the universe and Son of man who actually lived a spotless, sinless life) was called a blasphemer, liar, Beezelebub and many other names throughout his 3 year earthly ministry as an adult. Even in death, He was defamed and slandered...up till today. However, those that knew who He truly was, and saw how He lived His life, knew His name. I think we humans, love to see conflict, weaknesses displayed publicly, or someone "fall from grace". It makes us feel superior. I would hope that people would remember me as someone who loved the Lord,desired to serve Him, and preach the good news to others. What makes me so thankful to and praise God fully is that He, alone is our ultimate judge. He sees through all of the pretense, facade and looks at the heart and motives. He knows our "names"...He knows. He elevates...not man. Our name--in His book--(the Book of Life) matters most. |
Answer: Yes it matters for those serious about their marriage and vow to God. Actually it's not "sad" as the poster above me mentioned. Nor is it a trivial matter. It's actually an extremely important issue between Christian couples desiring to honor God as Supreme in their households. That cannot happen if one spouse attends a church elsewhere. You first honor that by attending church together..under the same church roof. It's likened to a "vow" that as the two people marry, they are pledging to worship the Lord in Spirit and truth..that they are one in their ultimate agreement about who their Saviour is. They physically represent that by honoring the Lord publicly once a week (at minimum). When the two cannot even agree on something as important as that, then what foundation has been set up in the marriage? Church was originally designed to consist of families...husband, wife and children...not one spouse at this church and the other spouse at another church. It was church comprised of well-functioning families, which would produce quality communities, and then a well- functioned society. The poster stated that the two had decided BEFORE marriage that they would choose a mutual church. So this issue had been discussed. She expressed her valid concerns and he claimed to have understood. Now the fact that the husband reneged on the agreement (after marriage) says something about his character. Perhaps he never intended on leaving the church and just told her what she wanted to hear...and figured that she would have to get on board regardless. So now, anger, resentment and strife has sprung up in the marriage. Why enter a marriage with a stressful situation that need not be? Why attend a church, (where one should be worshiping the Creator collectively with one's family) without one's spouse? You create a divided family and confused children. Temptation for the spouses also comes into play. Why unnecessarily do that? Just as the majority of religions (Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc) marry amongst their specfic religion due to mutual shared beliefs, (hey even atheists want a fellow atheist that can bash Christianity with), it is the same within denominations (or even attending a separate church under the same denomination) in Christendom. The couple should worship together in the same place. |
drakeli:This is why the ideal structure (in the beginning of time) was to separate "church" and "state". However, the scripture verse that refers to the OP's question is 1 Corinthians 6:1-3 (KJV) 1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? The verse is referring to problems amongst fellow believers...church members. It presents the church in a very negative light when we, as followers of Christ, cannot settle a situation (amongst ourselves) in a Christ-like manner. The "worldly" church may not use a wise, merciful and just a method as King Solomon chose when handling conflicts. Now that doesn't mean that followers of Christ are not to function in a society. We are to follow the laws of the land (as long as they do not conflict with God's mandate). Romans 13:1-7 (KJV) Please read the entire passage. Mark 12:17 (KJV) 17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him. Now if a Christian is "called" to court (because it does happen sometimes.....for whatever reason by another party) he/she should attend. But it should NOT be because the Christian initiated it (first) against a fellow believer. |
Beautifully done...there is much beauty in simplicity. |
BIBLESPEAKS:I appreciate and accept your apology. Forgive me for misinterpreting your tone. I have even looked through some of what you wrote. When it comes to a person's conviction though, it sometimes is extremely challenging to convince otherwise. Apparently, you are very passionate about your belief..and you have presented it. Now the Holy Spirit, ultimately, has to correct, rebuke, and convict a person if in error. Thank you again for your reply. |
Sobering but truthfully written piece. |
Very nice to see a thread (of this nature) this morning. |
Janosky:Sir/Ma, I am a "woman", so "ma'am" will be just fine. Well let me say "Heavenly Trio". Thanks |
BIBLESPEAKS:Sir, honestly I must say that you lost me when you began the above bolded sentence to me. Your tone seems harsh, abrasive and you wrote an enormous list of stuff...which was very overwhelming. You had written way too much. Also if we are supposed to be Christians, then all the unnecessary sarcasm and innuendos, based on that first sentence above (just because we may disagree with one another)need not be present. This is a repeated issue here on Nairaland...and makes for consistent mocking of Christianity by other "religions". What I refuse to do is debate you about this subject. I express my beliefs, pray and believe that someone gets interested enough to search the scriptures with the guidance of yhe Holy Spirit. I'm not into intellectual biblical debates. I do sometimes have discussion, but it is never done with an intent to win a debate, express biblical expertise, or force someone to believe what I am convicted about. What we "should" ultimately be focusing on, (and what you should be providing) are scriptures relating to praying and fasting for victory over sin and the continual Fruit of the Spirit to manifest in our lives daily. That's where my main focus lies. Interestingly enough, what you want to force me to believe about the Godhead, was not even the original topic of the OP.... Anyhoo, while I am open to discussion about some parts of the Bible with the goal of understanding, I am not willing to compromise on this particular part. With all due respect sir, my "conviction" about the Godhead, Triune God or Heavenly trio (the words I use interchangeably) will remain the same. Thank you for the mention. |
Cadec007:I call it the Godhead...not trinity. Ok...will leave it with your words. No argumentation needed. Thanks for your replies. |
Very interesting interpretation. We are told in the scriptures that those that truly are trying to follow Christ & live godly shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV) I tell you something. The enemy never rests...nor sleeps. He is always scheming...always trying to find a way to destroy a person's faith in Christ. The spiritual warfare is so very real. We just have to keep focused...endure and persevere regardless. There's light (victory over sin) at the end of the tunnel (persecution). |
Cadec007:When I use the term, "Godhead", or "triune" God, I am referring to the three-part co- equal heads: God the Father-Creator, God the Son-carried out plan of Salvation and God the Holy Spirit-Comforter sent after Christ'death. Most people refer to it as the trinity. The Holy Spirit is NOT referred to as an "it", in scripture, rather an "He". That doesn't mean an actual physical body though. John 14:26 (KJV) 26 But the Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. The angels take no part in that particular hierarchy. |
Prettyjanet1:The only way is by sincere prayer to the Lord, reading of His Word, and developing a relationship with Him. He will definitely answer you. There will be confirmation (in multiple ways) to reassure you that it's from the Lord. But you need to be willing to be led by Him..trusting that He, only, ultimately knows what's best for you. |
Cadec007:Ok...title and being. I still give homage and reverance to both. I also say, "Lord God Almighty"...referring to God the Father. I haven't referred to any human as, "Lord", although some women in the Bible did so towards their husbands. A little confused about your first statement. Are you saying that no Godhead exists? |
Yusman316:Sometimes, God's word appears contradictory, but it is not. In the terms you are speaking, "no" it makes you your dad's representative. But we are speaking about spiritual matters..which oftentimes, trump human, finite understanding. He says in His Word that He is one with the Father...meaning their power is 100 percent equal. That is the mystery that we aren't able to understand clearly. Different roles, yet 100 percent equal power. John 14:6 (KJV) 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:7 (KJV) 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:9 (KJV) 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? |
I would re-word it to say that the "choice" to allow God to lead one towards one's destiny lies in one's hands. The ultimate destination is the acceptance of eternal salvation, paid for by Jesus' death on the cross. However, on the journey to that destination, after acceptance, comes a cleansing and sanctification process. Each individual on this planet has a specifc, unique "calling" by God...if the person is interested in surrendering to Him. But that is contingent on "choice"...or "freewill". The "choice to tread one's own path/destiny" minus God's leading, is and will always be present. |
I use them interchangeably. As long as one understands the Godhead..and the functions of all three..and their ultimate sovereignity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. I use the word "Lord" oftentimes, to refer to Jesus Christ...also understanding that He and the Father are one. John 10:30 (KJV) 30 I and my Father are one |
TundeKorede, well stated... |
This is why my beloved religion Christianity, is continually mocked. Misinterpretation of scriptures, abuse of power, superstition and fanaticism... I am still baffled at how easily people think they can "curse" or "bless" anyone. Humans are not higher than God...but we tend to forget that. If she doesn't ever marry, that doesn't make her less than anyone else. Marriage doesn't equal eternal salvation. |
As much as I, personally, would be opposed to the convention, in a democratic society (which I guess Nigeria kinda sorta is), people should have religious liberty...and I use the term "religious" loosely when describing witchcraft. Maybe they should have done it in a city like Lagos, which has it all. I'm confused though. Is there a difference between indigenous religions and witchcraft? What was the major purpose of the convention? Was witchcraft being incorporated into Christianity? Is this an example of how "pagan" Rome was merged (by Constantine)into "papal" Rome? |
Hope you don't mind me saying this. I think I get where you are trying to go, but it would be more helpful if you would expand on your thoughts...like maybe provide examples to further express your point. Perhaps give a balance...being prosperous yet understanding the true purpose of Christianity. |
MuttleyLaff:I thought he/she was a child based on some things he/she has written. My age range for a child is broad. If the poster is not a child, then my apologies. Of course God doesn't need my protection. I'm well aware of that. But when you love someone, you try and protect him/her right? You want folks to see that person as you see him/her. Well, when I constantly see my Lord ridiculed, misjudged, misunderstood, mocked etc., here on this forum, it makes me want to defend Him..because I know who He really is. I just want others to try to understand who He is also...that's all. |
MuttleyLaff:Oh no... I'm definitely NOT a biblical "guru"...nowhere near. Still learning..have much more to understanding/knowledge to gain. That which I know, I know (through the Holy Spirit)...but could never claim to know it all. The child asked a question about Samson..and I felt compelled to answer it. Several scripture verses prove who Samson was and I wanted no doubt about that. I'm kinda protective of my Lord and Saviour..and His Word. Some things should be crystal clear but if questioned (with whatever motive), need to be answered for those who may truly be searching for the truth. We may not scripturally agree on everything, but personal insults should be omitted. Mature discussion is what I respect. Your summation was not bad at all. Appreciate and thank you for that. |
nlPoster:Judges 13: 2-3, 5, 24 (KJV) 2 And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not [/b] 3 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. 5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: [b]for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines. 24 And the woman bare a son, and called his name Samson: and the child grew, and the Lord blessed him. Hebrews 11: 32, 34, 39-40 (KJV) 32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. It begins from the word "danites" which is the tribe of Dan...a Godly lineage beginning from Abraham which runs all the way to Jesus Christ. Samson's lineage already showed that he was to be a special, Godly man. Samson made some terrible choices, even resulting in a most horrific death, BUT there is no doubt that he was a Godly man and ultimately fulfilled his God ordained calling. Because a Christian may fall, does not mean that he/she was never a Godly person. Confession, forgiveness, and repentance is what makes the difference. |
MuttleyLaff:But the poster (below) was the one that asked the question to you Muttley in response to what you had written to someone else. I copied it for you, but feel free to scroll back to Sunday...cause it's there. Ohh, but I get it. You were too busy trying to prove "me" wrong on Sunday, that you missed "his" post... It's ok...I completely forgive you. Re: "Samson And Delilah" by HedwigesMaduro: 4:00pm On Nov 24 MuttleyLaff: God did not push him into the direction and/or warm embrace of Delilah So, Delilah was the first strange woman he went after? Read Judges 14:1-4. 1 Like |
MuttleyLaff:Nope sir, I don't understand all of what you wrote other than "profane" language and reverse psychology. Ok, now may I direct you back to a question that was asked on this past Sunday by a poster regarding Delilah being Samson's alleged "first" strange woman encounter? I think he even propsed reading a few scripture passages. Perhaps you can rearrange your attention off of me...and focus on that question.. please and thanks. |
MuttleyLaff:Ok sir.. I'm really not hiding much nor am I trying to pretend to be anyone other than who I am. A person can be known by his/her words and how he/she types. My true color is brown...how I was born. But I bleed red blood. This is not personal. I just wonder why you feel that someone "must" believe something because you say it. I agreed with your last statement..but I wasn't gonna say that there wasn't another lesson in there too. Do you know that the problem within Christianity is the misinterpretatin of scriptures? Hence the thousands of denominations... I'm not arguing with you...just having a discussion. |

