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Horus,
Looking from the "outside, in", (although I have half Nigerian direct descent), the world doesn't see "pastors" (even with some being unconverted) as Nigeria's problem.
You are incorrect in your assessment.
I am telling you what I know.

While having a conversation with a church member last week in regards to Nigeria, the minute I mentioned the word, the guy (who is not black, and has "0" black ethnicity at all in him) said, "You know that is the most corrupt country in the world."
What could I even say? Absolutely nothing.
They see chaos, corruption, crime, religious extremism and a lack of governance...with all due respect.
Unfirtunately, they don't want to visit there and are pleased with the recent banning of Nigerians coming to the U.S.
They cannot differentiate between the corrupt/violent Nigerian citizens vs. the peaceful/law-abiding citizens
So while Christianity is attacked within the walls of Nigeria, it is the least regarded reason why Nigeria is labeled as it is in the world's eyes.

As the one poster said however, SIN is the ultimate problem.

Words our carnal natures don't want to "hear", let alone actually "put into practice" especially if one feels justified....
However,
I'm gonna be a little "human" here and say that as a Christian, this one is tough!!!"
What an extremely huge battle and struggle this one is for me....a very serious one.
Yet, this is the heart transformation that must take place..and we are not to put a time-stamp on when the transformation "should" take place in one's heart.
God's Word is truth
John 17:17 (KJV)
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Regardless of "who" writes about or speaks it and who chooses to believe so.
Beautifully written...

Bodydialect57,
Your reply & explanation in each post here was extremely well-written.

Uyi168:
To start with, different Christian denominations don't even get along...
They don't/rarely marry themselves...
They call each other names..
Jehovah witnesses and the Catholics are majorly at the receiving ends...

Yes,
There are problems within denominations in Christianity...due to misinterpretation of scriptures.
The two specific denominations that you quoted above have some extremely glaring beliefs that make them be targets.
Although the way in which those beliefs get approached is not always in the best manner.
Insults, name-calling etc., should be omitted by those who profess Christ.
Let other folks continue that.
I believe the question was pertaining to marriages between the religions Islam and Christianity....not between denominations within Christianity.

engrcalvin:
WHAT DOES IT MEANS TO BE UNEQUALLY YOKED?
An “unequally yoked” team has one stronger ox and one weaker, or one taller and one shorter. The weaker or shorter ox would walk more slowly than the taller, stronger one, causing the load to go around in circles. When oxen are unequally yoked, they cannot perform the task set before them. Instead of working together, they are at odds with one another(https://thriveglobal.com/stories/what-does-it-mean-to-be-unequally-yoked/)
Been unequally yoked in marriage is more dangerous than you think as it is capable of derailing you from your precious and priceless salvation. what the Bible say is not good is not good: Abstain from it.

Very well stated....

Jesus Christ (Jonh 3:16) KJV.
The Son of God, my Redeemer, Intercessor, Sustainer, Provider, and so much more.
Thank you Lord sincerely for reigniting my passion for you!
May I never be ashamed of you in front of "man".....

sholay2011:
The truth is...it isn't. Of course, Christians are to live in love and harmony with those from other religions or with other beliefs. But we are not to be equally yoked with unbelievers (2 Cor 6: 14- **). What fellowship does light have with darkness?

I know it sounds harsh but only an unserious Christian will marry a Muslim knowingly and with freewill. Allah is not Jehovah in my book and I'm not ready for Allah to be my father-in-law. But I can be very good friends with Muslims. Marriage is another thing entirely.

Very well said...

I agree with the poster Sulasa07's first reply.
Coronavirus will affect human beings in general (Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Traditionalists/Pagans, Atheists etc.).
Not "all" will be affected, but neither will "all" be protected just because of a particular religion.
I am saying that as a Christian who believes in the supernatural protection of my Lord and Saviour as well, but also understands that (as an inhabitant on this earth), that I am not "exempt" from calamities.....whatever they may be.
I do hope that the number of casulties of this pandemic won't grow to a much more exhorbitant number. Death is a horrible thing.

Beautifully written....

Bodydialect57:
The more reason to live each day as if its the last, safe and secured in our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

You are absolutely correct...

Julivas:
The bolded...... There is no perfect being on earth even among Christians, we are all working unto perfection. No body should be a judge over his / her fellow brethren, but at times when we see lapsee, we should be able to point it out with love because the scripture says we should be our brother's keeper. Thanks for the prayer . Check your pm.

At the bolded....exactly.
You are also welcome.
See my "personal text" about "pm's" please.
Perhaps and if possible, you can summarize whatever you'd like to speak with me about on another thread somewhere on N.L...
I'd like to not derail this one.

drips8:
If you noticed on my first post I quoted the Christian part in which I described them as self proclaimed.

My post was never to discredit, I even typed that Islam needs a reformation like Christianity. I don't judge other Christians based on a few.

As for the nairaland part, I guess you are referring to the oath on Muslim threads but Muslims are not responsible for that. Seun only made the oath due to the amount of hate Muslims were getting on their threads. Seun is also an atheist by the way.


From your post, it seems you are judging Muslims from the actions of the extremists. [/b]The extremists claim they are doing as stated by the Holy book but hundreds of millions of Muslims follow the same book and have no reason to kill. if killing the supposed infidels was a path to heaven, just imagine 1.6 billion people who are all for total chaos.

There are verses implying violence in their book as well as verses implying violence in the bible and all for a specific reason. [b]The basic difference between the Muslims and Christians are the tiny number of supposed Muslims taking them out of context.

Whether Islam exists or not, there will always be violence in the world(This is not a justification). There are supposed Buddhist terrorist groups in Nepal and Sri Lanka as there is the LRA in Uganda, a self proclaimed christian terror group but you know they do not represent the true beliefs of the religion.

Thanks for replying.
I wouldn't label the KuKlux Klan as a "Christian terrorist group," although they tried to use the Bible to justify their beliefs.
Plus, that's on a whole different level...was way deeper than a religious reason and is another story for another time.
I know discussing Islam is a controversial topic and many people are frightened.
I'm sure some folks disagree with my even having the "audacity" to speak on it...yet again.
I guess I need to be afraid of retaliation....however I am not...regardless of where I reside in the world.
If death is the path I may have to tread for standing up for my belief and my Lord Jesus, then that is my cup to bear.
I can only imagine how the Nigerian Christians feel though(especially in the North)...they are probably mortified.

I also see that traditionalists and atheists/"free-thinkers" here on N.L. are also very frightened of the repercussions of condemning Islam.
I just wonder why they can't muster up the courage to debase, mock, ridicule and insult Islam like they do Christianity?
What they do is cowardly...with all due respect.

I'm wondering just how many Christians had been attacking the Islamic section?
Do we even know if they were sincere, true Christians, or rather "trolls", or Muslims and atheists pretending to be Christians in order to cause a false strife in order to justify creating a section for them?

Can you not see the constant abuse from atheists and probably some Muslims here daily in this section on the Christians

Honestly, I've never seen anything like this before in my life. It just amazes me..truly.

One of the most irritating things for me though, is the act of cowardice...and I am just being brutally honest.

Going back to the OP's original question, I think that "fear of retaliation/consequences" will result if anything is spoken against Islam...hence the reason they don't.

Christianity has its share of issues and problems, but you can't tell me that Islam doesn't have just as many or more.

The disparities here on N.L. are so glowing that a person would need sunglasses in order to "not" see them.
I am judging Islam based on what I've seen through print and social media... (t.v, newspaper, internet--Nairaland etc.,).

I just believe in "freedom of speech" for all.
Maybe cause of where I grew up...
Unfortunately, I know that "it is what it is"....
Such is life here on Nairaland.
It will remain how it is here on the Religion section.
As I said before, the tiny amount of sincere Christians here on Nairaland will continue to prosper.....
I am not a cowardly person when it comes to fairness and truth...just saddens me that so many people are.
I will say no more. I have spoken my piece on this.
Thank you again for your reply.

drips8:
There is this quote that says “ not all muslim are terrorist” but research made it known that all terrorist are muslim.

The quote up there is wrong. There are hundreds of terrorists and terrorist groups with no ties to Islam. The KKK is an example of a "Christian" terrorist group.

Your problem shouldn't be with Islam but with a few Muslims who misinterpret the words from their book. [/b]The verses were revealed at different times for different reasons but those same people have it all wrong.
[b]
Yes, there are Islamic terrorists groups but still there are good people among them, Sierra Leone is rated among the most tolerant nations in the world despite an overwhelming Muslim majority population and the same applies with nations like Senegal, Comoros and even in the south west part of the country. [b]But it would be wrong to tarnish a religion due to the activities of the supposed adherents, [/b]I don't know if you know that Christianity once had a terrible past but the image of the religion got better thanks to reformation which is what Islam needs.

If you don't mind, I'm gonna dissect some parts of your post.

The first part of the quote that you brought up actually favors Islam.
I had a childhood best friend who was Muslim.
Now, she didn't dress any differently than anyone else. She had a Muslim first and last name, wore pants, make-up, and her face/head weren't covered up. All I knew was she didn't celebrate Christmas.
She was very peaceful. I had no reason to be afraid of her.
We were friends until college, where we kinda drifted apart.
She never spoke about her religion.
Maybe she wasn't deeply into it...just as I wasn't deeply into Christianity when I was younger.
That's all the Islam I ever knew....

Until I got older....
Then all that was shown to me on tv were extreme Islamic groups...only known for slaughtering Christians or any Muslim family member who decided to convert to Christianity.
As I joined N.L., about 3 yrs and 1 month ago, the images drilled into my head were made real.

An allegedly small extremist, terroristic group (who has taken Nigeria hostage) has been responsible for taking hundreds of thousands of Christians' lives...purely because of their faith and I am supposed to "not" judge all of Islam just because of them?

Well sir, I say the same thing about Christianity.
Never should an entire religion--(Christianity)be discredited because there are a few pockets of unconverted, satanic, deceptive people disguised under the garb of Christianity.

Nairaland is a micro-cosm of Nigeria.
So the majority of what's written on this forum is what is the held belief.
Clearly, Islam is the chosen religion on Nairaland and in Nigeria.
We have even seen it played out there just as recently as a week or so ago.
It's painfully, painfully and irrefutably obvious.
So the need for you to defend it, baffles me.
The disparities are so glaring.
The sincere and tiny amount of Christians here on Nairaland have a battle...and I really respect the ones who keep trudging up the hill...unbothered YET focusing on preaching our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ..and encouraging the brethren.
They are here and I see them.
Not surprising though, because Christ tells in His Word that the world will hate us, because it hated Him..

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God...I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit working together in unison.
But I should not be killed because of my belief..anymore than I would kill someone based on his/her belief.
The world has that view of Islam based on what we see presented to us.
Just as the agenda here on Nairaland is to disparage and discredit Christianity...just by showing the extreme situations that may occur.
It's unfortunate that I cannot go into a Muslim thread, speak with fellow Muslims, because I would have to betray my allegiance to and faith in Christ in order to do so.
I can't help but to ultimately think that Islam is violent and oppressive, because nothing has been shown the opposite.
My religion doesn't preach "murder".
In fact, it preaches the opposite.
Doesn't Islam preach it though? How is that peaceful?
Of course, there are extremes in any group.
But just as you want Islam to be looked at in a respectful manner, so should Christianity.

Acehart:
Hi,

The tongue is a servant of the heart. When one of the ‘brethren’ criticizes, the right question to ask is: is that brother regenerated? The hearts (in the church) are like the soils in the parable of the sower: hard, shallow and good soil. If a brother is fond of criticizing, I dare say that he had not been to the Cross of Calvary, the place of regeneration.

Not many are born again but they have a form of godliness; Because we see them in the church and they talk like someone from a church we tag them “Christians.” Those who are born of the spirit are merciful: I’m sure they join Paul in seeing nothing good about themselves saying, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” Or Isaiah in saying, “Woe is me...I am a man of unclean lips”. Jesus said, “But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.” Those who criticize amongst us have not been forgiven of much because they think they are perfect (in their own eyes); they are self-righteous - they don’t have a loving heart, the good soil.

But one thing I have observed is this: teachings stating that we are saved by works breeds self-righteous people. So it is also important that if one is saved, he knows the right ground (church) to flourish in. Prayer is very important too: those who pray for even their enemies don’t indulge in negative words about anyone because righteous prayers purifies the heart. So churches that pushes us to pray for the misfortune of anyone are to be avoided.

You may ask: are you saying those who are born again don’t criticize? We do (at our baby stage); as Paul and experience says, “I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.” We do criticize; but as we age in Christ we stop because of the Lord’s discipline (with strokes of His cane).

I’m sorry for the late response.
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No problem...take your time replying (if/when) necessary.
You have written well again. Lots of self-introspection needed.

Psalm 139:23-24 (KJV)

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

MamaFryo:
Why do we have to set the phrase aside. It is clearly written that evil spirit from the Lord. All your explanations would have been valid if what is written was "...and evil spirit came to torment Saul". Why must it come from the Lord? We are meant to know that He is holiness in perfection, no trace of evil in Him, so how can evil spirit come from him? Going by the common Christian sense, God is positive while devil is negative. So, why can positive come from negative? Is there negativity in positivity?

I'm truly hoping that you are being sincere.
When I see smiling "emojis", makes me doubt you, to be honest.
I would suggest that you really re-read my 1st reply to you, (this time after having prayed sincerely), then feel free to rephrase your question..if still truly in doubt.
Sometimes re-reading something may give you a clearer understanding.

I say the above with all due respect.
Praying for your understanding....

I love this question.
I constantly love to speak of the God of Abraham's, Isaac's, and Israel's majesty and awesome-ness.
God omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence..."all-knowing, everywhere at once, and all-powerful."

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

John 1:1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Exodus 3:14 (KJV)

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: .....

If a being is responsible for creation of the known universe AND its occupants, then that automatically gives credence to an "all-powerful" entity.....
I choose by faith, to believe that the God of the Bible is that entity..."yes" He is omnipotent.
God has given ALL humans "free-will" to decide what they want to believe in, and how they want to live their life.
All of the philosophical, theoretical, psychological, intellectual jargon in the world won't give you all of the answers you seek about Him. You will get confused.
You are trying to use "human wisdom" which was given to us humans by God...to discredit the very same God.
You will never be able to use a fallible human mind to fully understand an infallible Creator.
He is so much larger than us...no pun intended.

However, the Lord God invites you to try Him and see who He is personally and by faith by prayer and the reading of His Word. All that you need to know (for now) is in there.

What I've read so far is beautifully written.

Acehart,
You are correct.
There is a righteous judgment that Christians are told to exercise

John 7:24 (KJV)
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment"

I think that oftentimes, we tend to abuse that "right to judgment" when dealing with our brethren.
We are very critical of our brethren, rather than praying for, being firm yet loving, and encouraging towards them...when we too have faults that need to be eradicated.
We aren't sometimes, really in a position to rebuke others when we have just as many faults.
Christ is the measuring stick.
So I was looking at that aspect of the OP.


Appreciation for making that point, and showing the balance.

Nope, it's not " just" Nigeria that is coming to an end (although judging by the events happening there), I would certainly not fault one who perhaps thought so.
What people are trying to say is that we're living in the last days of Earth's history.
Matthew 24 (KJV) describes the climate of the planet around the time that the Son of Man will return.
While NO ONE is to place an exact date/time of His return, the atmosphere truly gives signs that it won't be long.
As His return is nearer than we probably think, the conditions of the world are getting amped up even more. Even worst things, we are told in the Word, will occur. It's not gonna get any better, unfortunately..until His return.
Honestly, when I read through topics here on N.L., (as I've said before), it's beyond depressing.
Nigeria really has some major problems...(not to say that the other parts of the world don't have major problems also..because we do too).
However, I feel at times so saddened for the citizens...almost like you guys are in an ever-sinking pit with no possible way out.
I shouldn't wonder why desperation transcends rational thinking at times.
So when such unbelievable headlines appear daily or topics get posted that seem nonsensical, it is no wonder that people say, "End-time, this or endtime that"..

2 Timothy 3-7 (KJV)
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Christians' hope, through all of this, is in Christ Jesus. That is the only way to have some form of sanity, peace, contentment.
Looking to an eternity where all of the above will no longer exist.
Otherwise, one will lose his/her mind.

MamaFryo:
Question: "Why did God send an evil spirit to torment King Saul?"

First Samuel 16:14 says, “The Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.” This is also mentioned in 1 Samuel 16:15–16, 23; 18:10; and 19:9. Why did God let an evil spirit torment Saul? In what way was the evil spirit “from” the Lord?

We all know that God is holy, I always wonder what relationship that light has with darkness. How could an embodiment of holiness have evil in possession. Please note that this case is different from that of Job where God allowed devil to take hold of him. In this very case, the evil spirit is reported to be directly from God. This seems to be that God himself has evil and holy spirit in his possession. He uses them as he wants. Something like he can choose to be holy or evil...

It is Sunday, Nairaland, Mama Fryo wants to hear your views about this question. Any logical, analytic or detail answer?

Q. In 1 Samuel 16:14, the Bible talks about an evil spirit that came from the Lord. What does that mean?


A. Notice first that because Saul was no longer listening to the Lord (1 Samuel 15:26), God directed the prophet Samuel to anoint David as king in place of Saul. The Bible says that when Samuel poured the horn of holy oil on the young shepherd, “the spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward” (1 Samuel 16:13). Then in verse 14 it says that the Spirit of the Lord left Saul, “and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.”

Set aside the phrase “from the Lord” for a second and focus instead on the part of the verse that says, “The spirit of the Lord departed from Saul.” That would be the Holy Spirit, right? The Holy Spirit came upon David and left Saul. When God’s Spirit goes out of a person, the devil’s spirit goes in. Jesus said in Matthew 12:30 that “He that is not with me is against me.” Nobody is neutral. Everyone has varying degrees of either God’s Spirit or the spirit of the enemy. To the same extent that we empty ourselves of self, God can fill us with His Spirit.

When the Bible says that “a spirit from the Lord” troubled Saul, it doesn’t mean that God said, “I’ve got a devil I’m going to give to you.” As evidence, look at the story of Job. When the devil came to the Lord and wanted to plague Job, he couldn’t do anything until after God had withdrawn His protection from him. After God withdrew his protection from Job, He said, “He is in thine hand; but save his life,” (Job 2:6). The next verse in the New King James Version goes on to say, “So Satan went out from the presence of the Lor d, and struck Job with painful boils.”

When the Bible says that an evil spirit came from the Lord, it means that God withdrew His protection from Saul after Saul rejected Him. When God withdrew His protection from Saul, these devils were allowed to bring a depression upon him. The Bible says that “God … will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it” (1 Corinthians 10:13 NKJV).

This really means that although God will allow you to be tempted, He’s not doing the tempting. James 1:13 (NKJV) says, “Let no one say when he is tempted, ‘I am tempted by God’; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.” God allows temptation to come in order to strengthen our characters, but He doesn’t send it.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/news-and-features/news/item/id/10920/t/does-god-really-send-evil-spirits-

Sukersoc:
I have just exited a popular dangerous religious cult. Mind you, ardent members of this religion do not see the religion as I have just described it, and I personally didn't see it that way too for the many decades I was a member, but many outsiders recognise the religion for what it truly is - "a cult".

But I'm not about the religion at this time and do not intend to talk about them any further, unless it becomes very necessary for the purpose of perhaps warning unsuspecting others who do not see the wolf beneath the sheep covering. My goal is to find a church or Bible study group that is solely focused on the study of the Bible, that study the Bible "Exegetically" not "Eisegetically".

In case you are wondering what this two terms mean; Exegetical study of the Bible implies simply allowing the scripture to interpret itself, i.e. interpreting scriptures contextually, while Eisegetical study of the Bible is the process of interpreting scriptures in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into the text.
The later unfortunately has been the preferred choice for most Christendom denominations, allowing them to distort scriptures to suite there personal, and sometimes selfish agendas and doctrines.

I have found many useful YouTube channels that teach the Bible Exegetically but that is not enough, it doesn't fill the need to gather together as instructed at Hebrews 10:23-25.

Therefore, I'm in search for any church or Bible study group that meets this criteria, no matter how small the group may be, and no matter how modest.

I know suggestions will be made about a great many known Churches we have in Nigeria, but i can tell you, I've checked-out and reseached a whole many of them; they study the Bible Eisegetically. In fact a lot of them do very little study of the Bible if at all. Sermons are based largely on emotionally charged stories of how success and wealth is indicative of God's blessing, and how suffering and poverty is indicative of God's denunciation, a notion that I can hardly trace to the scriptures. In most of these places, study and interpretation of scriptures is the exclusive preserve of the "man of God" and not the collective church.

Some might say, I'm searching for perfection, but far from it; what I'm looking for obtains in some other countries where the Christian religion is practiced and I believe there are perhaps a few here in Nigeria. Often, groups like this are not famous but they exist and I'm hoping to find one.

In the event that I'm unable to locate any such group, I may be open to joining other like minds in organising a Bible study group that can meet at least once a month for Bible study at an agreed location. So in case you're in my shoes and have unsuccessful in finding a church or group that meets your spiritual need and you're based in Abuja, you might indicate on this thread. But this option is only a plan B please.

I reside in Abuja.

Hi,
I hope you do not mind me replying you...because I am a woman.
I am not trying to lead you or preach to you, but it appears (to me) that you are sincerely searching for the church God would have you attend.

While most people would expectedly & rightfully so, promote their "church", I will refrain from doing that.
I agree with a lot of what you wrote above, having not been born, raised, or a resident of Nigeria myself, yet connecting with what you have said through my own past experiences.
So obviously, there is a universal problem within our Christian "churches"...albeit some very well-meaning.

What I would suggest, is that you sincerely pray (and fast for a period of time if necessary) to see what God would reveal to you..where would be the church you should attend.

There has to be a "needle within the haystack" there in Nigeria. A remnant...within the chaos and confusion...
I believe there is...God always has a "ram in the bush".
It is important for your spiritual growth to be with like-minded individuals, so do sincerely pray and expect an answer.
God has serious, sincere and "sola scriptura" rightfully interpreted Bible teaching people sprinkled throughout Nigeria. They are there...you just need guidance.
God delights in His children asking HIM for direction...
Watch and see the people He places in your path, confirmation through His Word, and peace in your spirit.
You will know where to go once HE has made it clear in your heart.

Beautifully written replies.
I don't know whether the info is true, but Leah has done what the majority of us would not: which is be faithful to her Lord & Saviour..regardless of the outcome...which is why she is still there (and hopefully still alive).

Regardless of what "man" thinks he has done, she still belongs to God.
That precious young lady has a crown waiting for her....

TheSourcerer:
fvcking Bible thumper

Psalm 14:1 (KJV)

14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good

Psalm 10:4 (KJV)

4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts


1 Corinthians 1:18 (KJV)

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned


Ephesians 5:11 (KJV)

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.


Will be sincerely praying for you sir/madam from afar. Hopefully you will see your need to surrender to Christ...

Julivas:
That bolded got me. You have written well, hope it can be put into practice by all,the world will be better for it. More grace.

Yes, I hope "we" (both you and I), as Christians, can evaluate ourselves honestly and be humble enough to ask the Lord to help us in areas we struggle in and to ask Him to endow us with His Spirit.
One trait of "humility" that (I personally am learning about and striving to employ in my life) is to evaluate MYself and using only Christ as the measuring stick...not others.
It's extremely easy to look at someone else's life and try to point out flaws...yet not look at one's "own" life right? We, as Christians, need to be extremely careful when judging others.
Remember "pride", is what ejected Lucifer from the kingdom..he thought he was more "perfect" than God & Jesus...
Hmmmm....
Grace and mercy....grace and mercy...to us all.
Praying sincerely for you...as I am myself.

Prayers to the families of Kobe Bryant, his daughter and the other 7 passengers who lost their lives 1 week ago.

He has always been mocked and will be mocked until the Second Coming.
It is then that He will be vindicated.
However, the issue with the OP is the fact that the famous people died allegedly from mocking God.
I disagree.

The Bible tells us:

Romans 6:23 (KJV)

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So living in a sin infested and corrupted world, means that ALL will face death in one way or another.
So those famous people that you listed were no different than the "average Joe Schmoe" (except for fame and wealth).
They breathed, walked, and talked just like you and I.

They also died....like you and I will one day.

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV)

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Galatians 6:7 (KJV)

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

In the above scripture, we see the word "mocked".
Yet looking at the context of the sentence, what can be gleaned is the concept that however a person chooses to ultimately live his/her life will have a consequence...be it negative or positive...in the present or future.
Somewhat akin to a "cause/effect" type of situation.
Ex:The man who you said smoked and mocked God on stage at his concert, well typically more often statistically than not, if a person has been a smoker for a period of time, then lung cancer will eventually develop.
All of the people you mentioned, who scoffed at or mocked God, died by means of murder, car accident, suicide, illness, etc.
Guess what?
Many people who loved and served the Lord all of their lives, (who did NOT mock God) died by means of murder, car accident, illness, etc.
See the reason for my initial opening about SIN...
So it's an unfair (althought well-meaning on your part) assessment/theory to say or imply that God strikes down those who "mock" Him.
That is not God's nature.

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It's more like God loves the people enough to try and send them warning to choose to surrender to Him before it's too late...because HE KNOWS that death is near...which we, human beings more often than not, do NOT know.
Please read for an example the following:
Luke 12:12-20 (KJV)


The late evangelist, Billy Graham, tried to introduce Jesus to the late famous Hollywood actress Marilyn Monroe, but sadly, she chose to reject God. She made her choice.

I think the most important message here is to choose God because one may never know when it is one's last day on earth...because death is inevitable, regardless of the way it happens.


Joshua 24:15 (KJV)

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Ceetowl,
I get what you were overall trying to portray about the power, authority and sovereignity of the Lord God Almighty (Philippians 2:9-11 KJV).
However, we need to be careful about how we portray His character.
He has always been mocked and will be mocked until the Second Coming.
It is then that He will be vindicated.
However, the issue with the OP is the fact that the famous people died allegedly from mocking God.
I disagree.

The Bible tells us:

Romans 6:23 (KJV)

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So living in a sin infested and corrupted world, means that ALL will face death in one way or another.
So those famous people that you listed were no different than the "average Joe Schmoe" (except for fame and wealth).
They breathed, walked, and talked just like you and I.

They also died....like you and I will one day.


Hebrews 9:27 (KJV)

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Galatians 6:7 (KJV)

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

In this scripture, we see the word "mocked".
Yet looking at the context of the sentence, what can be gleaned is the concept that however a person chooses to ultimately live his/her life will have a consequence...be it negative or positive...in the present or future.
Somewhat akin to a "cause/effect" type of situation.
Ex:The man who you said smoked and mocked God on stage at his concert, well typically more often statistically than not, if a person has been a smoker for a period of time, then lung cancer will eventually develop.
All of the people you mentioned, who scoffed at or mocked God, died by means of murder, car accident, suicide, illness, etc.
Guess what?
Many people who loved and served the Lord all of their lives, (who did NOT mock God) died by means of murder, car accident, illness, etc.
See the reason for my initial opening about SIN...
So it's an unfair (althought well-meaning on your part) assessment/theory to say or imply that God strikes down those who "mock" Him.
That is not God's nature.

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It's more like God loves the people enough to try and send them warning to choose to surrender to Him before it's too late...because HE KNOWS that death is near...which we, human beings more often than not, do NOT know.
Please read for an example the following:
Luke 12:12-20 (KJV)


The late evangelist, Billy Graham, tried to introduce Jesus to the late famous Hollywood actress Marilyn Monroe, but sadly, she chose to reject God. She made her choice.

I think the most important message here is to choose God because one may never know when it is one's last day on earth.


Joshua 24:15 (KJV)

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

iNamiko:
This is something I've always wondered about, after knowing a few people who died suddenly and unexpectedly in the last few years.

The Rock's post on his IG last week about his father's passing, that his father was "taken away from him fast without warning, like a lightening you don't see coming" and Kobe's death today got me thinking about this again.

It makes me uncomfortable, apprehensive and so sad that this is how people die but I know that's the way God designed it to be. When it's your time, you just go. No goodbyes, no warnings, nothing.


Are you comfortable knowing you or your loved ones can die anytime? Like you could just get a phone call one day that so and so has died.

Why doesn't God allow us to say goodbye?

One thing about death is this: it comes to ALL and we can never know the exact day.
Death is the most horrible result of sin on this earth.
We live in a sin-corrupted world.
We have a Father in Heaven who knows exactly what it is like to lose a loved one (John 3:16 KJV).
I tell you, the death of a loved one (or significant person in one's life) hurts. It hurts terribly...and the ones affected by it never forget.

We can never know all of the ways of God (Isaiah 55:8 KJV).
We can only know that He knows best and is still in control...

I am quite sure that U.S. basketball legend Kobe Bryant, his 13 yr. old daughter, and the other people who lost their precious lives this morning in the tragic helicopter crash, did not know that it would be their last day.
I'm quite sure that his surviving wife and children did not know that he and his daughter would die...nor the other late passengers' loved ones.
What makes it incredibly painful and shocking for many of us, is the fact that a man of such an iconic status (throughout the world) for several years, is now dead.
A man who lived almost a "god-like" status, had enormous amount of wealth, fame and noteriety for the majority of his life, now will be in the grave.
It is almost surreal.
I do not know his religious preference nor have I ever.
He is gone for now and my heart yearns to comfort his widow and three remaining children.
She will need the love of Christ like never before, having lost her husband and daughter at one time.
Prayers for the other passengers' who died, loved ones as they also will have to begin the grieving process.

So many people experience the same types of tragedies...and do not get to say, "goodbye".

Which is why it is so crucial for people to know about the love of Christ and His redemptive power. His triumph over death and the hope of eternal salvation for those who believe in Him & surrender (Revelation 21:7 KJV).

We may not ever have the opportunity in this life, to say "good-bye" to a significant person due to an unexpected death, BUT we can treat people kindly, and love on them daily. We can live each day as though it's our last. We can give people hope (beyond the grave) by telling them about Jesus the Christ' love for them and power to save them eternally.

toyinaremu:
After several heartbreaks, another brother proposed to me. I was filled with joy and couldn’t wait for us to start the wedding preparation, yes I was so in a hurry for that.

As though he was a diviner, I needed to know what God's mind about him is and what the future holds for us.

I was given an address to see ‘a man of God’ for prayers and guidance (away from the church I attend). I went there with all joy and he prayed and said he is the best for me as he can see our first fruit to be twins. Father in heaven the joy in me knew no bound.

Just two weeks or a month to the relationship, it crashed.

Trust me, I went back to the man of God, after telling him the story. He said had it been I told him before seeing the man he would have held him down for me or make me get pregnant for him.

"But my daughter, it is not too late to bring him back", he said. "I will give you prayer oil, you will use to pray for some days and boom you have him all to yourself," he further expressed.

Did I do that? Only God can explain why I did not do the prayer as instructed and I can’t remember what I did to the oil, smiles.

Come to think of it, what if I did it and the man came back, I will be happy and get married to him but will never be fulfilled because that is not where my destiny lies.

Sisters and even brothers, you have to be careful with where you go to for prayers. Calling the name of Jesus is not enough, are they following Jesus' instruction?

Hearing from a minister of God is good but hearing as a child of God is the best.

Why are you looking for vision or answers about, when the distance between your problem and the solution is the same distance between your knees and the floor?

If there is a man that will pray, there is a God that will answer. Your personal conviction is what you can run with in the marriage and not another person's conviction.

Is your spiritual leader’s life in tune with God?

Don’t be deceived, go on your knees and pray, ask God for directions and He will answer. The question is do you hear from God?

There is a way He has been speaking to you but the problem is either you are not hearing or you are too in a hurry to hear from Him.

Let the prayer starts from you, quit looking for vision.

Good Morning

Well written post.
The "diviner" issue would have given me "red flags" in the beginning though. He automatically would have been canceled due to being un-equally yoked.
You are 100 percent correct about our need to go to GOD'S throne room first and expect-in faith & humility- an answer.
Makes me think of the following:
1John 4:1(KJV)
Psalm 32:8 (KJV)
Psalm 118:8-9 (KJV)
Proverbs 3: 5-6 (KJV)

Again, beautifully written.

The title says it all.
Most followers of Jesus want a "crown" without the "cross".
I wonder do we really fully understand the significance of discipleship?
Or total submission, surrender, & obedience to the Master?
I would suggest that people go & reread the four gospels on Jesus' life & contemplate it deeply.
I have said it numerous times & will continue to say it: The Lord deals with the heart. He examines the motives Psalm 139:23-24 (KJV) &Psalm 51:10-12(KJV).
Biblical intellectual "prowess" withot true heart surrender means absolutely "0" to the Lord. Ask Saul/Paul...
Sabbath or Sunday church attendance once a week will not suffice, nor will doing "acts of Christ" either.
Revelation 3:15-16(KJV) & Matthew 7:22-23(KJV) clearly explain the level of importance of this very serious matter.
Time to be truly committed to serving Christ.

emonkey:
But what if you have this feeling that continuing to pray for the person is like adding more fuel to the fire. And after you stopped praying for him and put him out of mind, because he lives abroad anyway and you only meet once a year, you feel at peace ?

The Bible also says you should shake off the sands of the home of a persistent sinner from your feet.

Are you really at peace?
Be brutally honest with yourself.
The mere fact that you asked the question here means that you are not settled...and that is ok.
God only knows exactly your heart.
Praying for anyone (if done with pure motives) can never be a "wrong" practice or something that can make a situation worse.
If you are wanting to stop, it's because of someting going on within you.
Remember, God never forces anyone to change.
Sincere prayer is so key to forgiveness & healing...which is why I am stressing it so much.
The Lord won't force, but He can soften hearts to be able to receive.
Or (when the time is right), create a circumstance where the person(s) offended may be open to dialogue.
Remember the word "may".
Regardless of the person's choice, you are commanded to "pray" for him/her.
Doesn't mean you have to allow the person back in your life or allow toxicity to occupy your space.
Is it possible that beneath the surface of your desire to stop praying may be resentment or unforgiveness towards your enemy?
If so, you must pray for a forgiving heart..
That will motivate you enough to keep the offender on your prayer list because you truly want him/her to surrender to God.
Unforgiveness is a pretty high offense on the Lord's list of character flaws.

Matthew 6:14-15 (KJV)

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father
will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive NOT men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

If a person can't forgive the enemy, then he/she can't pray for the enemy.

So think about this. If Christ ONLY has the power to forgive sin (of which He died for), and He tells you the consequence of not forgiving...
Well I will let that marinate.
Sometimes it's very important to go deeper than just the surface.

Matthew 5:44 (KJV)
44..."Love your enemies..."
..."pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you."

emonkey:
The bible says we should pray for our enemies and people who hate us. Supposing there is a relation who doesn't like you but you pray for him every day without fail anyway because the bible says so. But the more you pray for him the more his hatred for you increases. If you now decide to stop praying for him and try to shut him out of your mind because you don't want to be unhappy about the situation anymore , have you sinned ?

Do you know that praying for them is almost more beneficial for you than it is them?
God commands us to do so (Matt. 5:44 KJV) because it eventually changes OUR (hurt, angry, saddened, bitter etc.,) HEARTS towards them to genuine love, empathy & desire for them to experience Jesus' & let Him transform them.
If you are having trouble "wanting to even pray for him", tell the Lord. Be honest & ask Him to change your heart..
It has to start with you...and sometimes it can be a long process.
If you don't do the above, then you won't have peace. Enemies continue living their lives while you have no peace and are stuck. God would want you to continue praying for him, regardless of how he is behaving. Who knows what change could take place?
Blessings come when we are obedient to Him.