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Finallydead:
@ the bolded, I'm not so sure Mutt will answer those questions and there's a first time for everything, too.

About keeping silent, don't be deterred to freely ask questions on what you don't know and question what you can't accept when presented to you and also express your opinions in a subjective and researchful way rather than argumentatively or stating authoritatively what you can't prove. I'm sure you already know that though.

God bless you.

solite3:
so until you get to that point where you no longer sin, wilfully then you are not saved?

MrPRevailer:

Then your FOCUS should be to preach that believers cease from sin or repent from sins, instead of preaching eternal security

alexxiswrites:
I've been meaning to ask this question because sometimes the way some Christians speak about how their lives are better than others, or their personal relationship with Christ makes one feel in the wrong place or less of a Christian than them. Also, does it have to do with personal conviction or just a knowledge that you've been redeemed?

solite3:
In contrast, the Second Coming is not of such a nature and timing that we could ask Christ to effect it right now. Since Christ obviously cannot return to the earth in judgment to rescue Israel, stop the destruction at Armageddon and destroy the Antichrist along with his kingdom and his armies until the end of the Tribulation, for us to cry out to Christ, “Come, Lord Jesus!” would be like demanding payment on a debt that isn’t due for seven years. Yet, “the Spirit and the bride” do cry out, “Come, Lord Jesus.” We can only conclude that there must be a coming of Christ that could occur at any moment. It cannot be the Second Coming or a post-trib rapture. It can only be a pre-trib rapture.
11) There are at least two events which occur in heaven for which the church must be present and which, therefore, cannot take place until the Rapture occurs: the judgment seat of Christ, and the marriage of the Lamb to His bride: “for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ” (Rom:14:10
); “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad” (2 Cor:5:10
); “the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted [to] be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white [as a result of her cleansing at the judgment seat of Christ]” (Rev:19:7-8
). Both these events occur prior to Christ’s return to earth and thus demand a prior rapture.
It is clear that the Second Coming cannot occur until these two vital events, which demand the presence of the church in heaven, have taken place. It is only after the Lamb has been married to His bride that she accompanies Him back to earth to rescue Israel and to destroy Antichrist and his armies: “And the armies which were in heaven followed him...clothed in fine linen, white and clean” (Rev:19:14
).
We know not why the Bridegroom tarries, but exactly as He foretold, the church is asleep. In that context, our Lord added: “And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him” (Mat:25:6
). May each of us be listening eagerly for that cry of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. Indeed, we ought to be sounding it aloud, for the Lord could come at any moment to take us to Himself. So let us watch and wait and look for Him in eager anticipation—and encourage others to do the same. It will have a purifying and motivating effect in our lives. TBC

Cc cruz, E.viana Righteousness

Finallydead:
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O Muttley, for time sake, I'm gonna do this for you quickly but except you can change my mind, I'll end this with agree to disagree, okay? You say I should pull out my ammo, lol. But before I do, Muttley, I'm gonna do again what you know me well for.
You know very well that I like to bolt into threads and bolt out ASAP, not going round and round in circles with scriptures. So before it gets to that, I like to employ the killer question approach before using my ammo.

I'll start a small bonfire, bolt out, and hopefully, if they wish, I'll let petra1 and Nephilim(wonder if he's met some nephs) do the honours of consuming your whole forest of this false doctrine with an inferno. Petra1 is so close to the kingdom but Lordreed keeps obstructing him at the gate, lol. If they both carefully go through all my posts on here, they might end up walking in gracefully, hand in hand, lol, and Lordreed would stop recycling questions already answered.

Now, with most direct answers, Muttley, investigate what I brought up before and you will see clearly.
1.) Tell me bluntly, Muttley. Is it true that the theme of 2Pet2 is that God usually simultaneously annihilates those who apostatise in all kinds of sin, ESPECIALLY(v10) in polluting their flesh while at the same time saving His chosen who keep themselves as in the two instances before given?



2.) Again, is it true that the theme of Jude, similar to 2Pet2, is to warn of the judgement of brethren who use the grace of God for licentiousness(unbridled lust) as in the two instances?
a) Instance no 1: He killed the same people he brought out of Egypt in the wilderness when they fornicated on two occasions.(v5)
b) Instance no 2: He judged (with chains again, these can't be humans) his very own angels who left their heavenly habitation for their fornication(V6)
c) Instance no 3: He judged S&G for the same fornication.(v7)
Therefore he will judge these brothers, though they were once His, for defiling the flesh as in a) and b) (v8)

Note that trying to claim that Peter and Jude were calling this Gen6 event a heresy of false teachers will be one of the most humorous and ineffective mind games played on any intelligent person who reads both texts. Also note that the Greek verb "Tartaroo" used by Peter literally means to put one into a lowest dungeon of hell, which was done to these angels.

3.) If 1&2 are true, then by the mouth of 2&3 witnesses(Moses, Peter and Jude), isn't the story of Gen6 established as an event including the sons of God who were angels as in 1a) and 2b)?

If you like to believe the sons of God in OT were humans, then

4) How is it that these humans presented themselves TOGETHER before God in HEAVEN, even along with Satan before the Lord Jesus came as in Job1&2?

5)How is it possible that these humans, called morning stars(Lucifers), Satan's rank of angels, in Job38:7 were actively singing into the fabric of earth when God laid the cornerstone/foundation of the earth, taking the measurements(v4-6) and when God bounded the seas together(v8) and formed the clouds, ALL which took place long before Adam was made?

6)How is it also possible that it was humans in Gen6 that produced giants who were super powered(might men) and men of name(the legends and myths we have today of supermen)?

7.) Why then did the Jews crucify Jesus accusing Him of calling Himself Son of God, if this was something attributed to previous humans and not God Himself in the flesh?

8.) Why then is the Lord called the only begotten Son of God and the first to lead we humans into sonship through a new birth, if there were already humans who were sons of God?
Note that it is our destiny through Christ to become begotten sons of God after our Lord, to replace the fallen sons of God(including Lucifer) who were not begotten but only manufactured for the position and hence fell.

9) Why then did God have to destroy the whole world in Noah with a flood, only time he has though humans have been sinning before, if not that these superhumans having corrupted genes produced strange flesh and quickly determined to wipe out the pure human genes so there would be no virgin for Messiah and they could rule earth with Satan forever, which flesh also could not be decomposed in the earth, hence to freeze them in the Antarctic(where all the flood water went), being that there was never ice before the flood but only after(Gen8:22)
Take note that contamination of human genes has been Satan's age old plot to rule the world, beginning from his attempt to put his seed in Eve, which because of his fallen form didn't go as planned to produce aberrations, right up to the tribulation with the mark of the beast which transforms the human genes.

10)Can you produce one single scripture that uses the words angels and demons interchangeably?
Take note that Satan is lord of all evil angels and also lord of demons as the god of this world altogether forming a kingdom and working together. So don't produce separate uses of his lordship over them but only interchanging of "demon" and "angel" in the same text.

11)Can you produce a single text in scripture where Satan or any evil angel shares a human body with the host like demons do?
Note that there are spiritual bodies as well as physical(1Cor15:40). All spirits must have a body to rest in whether spiritual or physical.
Demons are disbodied(physical from the flood), hence naked spirits who yearn for a body, like any other disbodied spirit e.g. we in 2Cor5:1-3 and never can rest until they have one(Lk11:24, Mk5:12). However evil angels have bodies which are spiritual, not physical(1Cor15:40) hence never need to share with a human.
If God were to open one's eyes to see a demon or an angel, it will be very clear that demons are ghostly, nauseating, grotesque, like virmin(usually stunted) of the spirit world. While evil angels with their wings and firm bodies are more dignified, though very evil and grim, some humanoid, others not really, generally larger.


[b]Hope this doesn't come as a rude bump to your hyper-emotional, lovey-dovey moment with dear E.viana. She's so soft with her presentations but they can still harm an innocent soul whenever built on falsehood, howbeit I trust she always has better intentions. And please don't let her influence you to run away from ANY single one of these questions, like she gracefully and with great dignity ran from my killer question last time, lol. So many eyes on you, my good friend. Answering each and everyone of them will make you see the light. Good luck with them.
I'll be out now and please pardon me again if I'm AWOL or not too quick to respond for engagements.

P.S: Just saw your text Mutt, I was posting this that's why you saw me, I have so many mails unresponded to Mutt, I'd leave you with this here so it can benefit all. If you want to bless others, do it here my friend.

MuttleyLaff:
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Muah! Muah! Thank you, thank you ....
You made my eyes teary Eviana, you sweet soft and lovely soul.

Your kind words overpowered me with emotions. They meant a lot to me. Thanks again. It was providence and/or divine intervention that made Finallydead's device use Predictive Text, to serendipitously bring up your moniker, so to "invite" to the thread, even if just to be a graceful sidewalk quietly observing pedestrian. God bless, keep you and all that's yours real good, my very dear sister.

It is just disheartening, watching how, not many have a rigorous understanding of each and/or all of what’s being tabled on this thread, but instead they rather opt and go after low hanging knowledge and false premise understanding. I have reached out to Finallydead. We have made contact at the time of posting this, but haven’t yet finalised freeing up to an hour to have a private chat. I am still waiting, though right now feeling sleepy, for him to turn up

I copied your unintentional error, which again sent off a moniker mentioned notification to her

CYM again, I sent another and even an invite to a private chat

Nah, it was no mistake Eviana. It actually, is God, working in mysterious ways sister. Trust me on that, lol

The Predictive Text feature, is an industry standard present on most devices. It is auto enabled, until turned off, on most smartphones and/or tablets. Finallydead wanted to type ”So even God Himself” but instead of “even”, Predictive Text changed it to our sister’s moniker, and Finallydead posted without catching the unintentional, lol

CYM Finallydead please

Finallydead:
Well, ladylite started well but slipped somewhere along the line.
First, understand that demons are different species from fallen angels like Satan and his host who are spirits having distict spiritual bodies.
Demons were originally physically bodied beings that shared the earth with humans when certain sons of God spiritual beings had relations with women and gave birth to nephilim, the real superhumans(source of all myths and many superhero stories) and giants of old who brought so much corruption to humans even up to convincing them towards corruption of their genes(Gen6:1-7) hence leading to God's decision to flood the earth sparing only Noah who kept his genes pure(Gen6:9).
These beings lost their bodies due to the flood specifically targeted to confine their bodies (which could not be decomposed in the dust of earth, not being as that of humans) in the icy Antarctic. This is why you hear of cold and heat coming up after the flood(Gen8:22).
The demon spirits losing their bodies and left in limbo, neither bound to heaven nor hell suited to human souls, have ever since wandered on earth(Lk11:24) longing for bodies to live in again as they once did, hoping in futility to again rule over and be worshipped by humans. Though these human bodies are nothing compared to the capabilities of their original bodies, it's the closest thing they get to their original existence.
By divine decree(Ps115:16), the earth realm is in the custody of human beings, the only beings that have both spirits to relate with the spiritual realm and bodies for the physical realm. We are the bridge between both realms and participators in both. That's why we all dream , discern our conscience and have a creative mind unlike other animals(baseline common expressions of the human spirit apart from others we can develop) and we can also get things done with our bodies according to our mind's decision.[b]
So eviana God Himself as all other spirits need men's cooperation to express their spiritual realities on earth. [/b] This cooperation is not necessarily in terms of merely saying to a spirit "come on in". No. In the spirit realm, actions speak louder than words. Every spirit has a character and CONTINUING in its character is literally giving that spirit, AT SOME POINT, permission for expression on earth.
You see now why even believers today don't see the physical expression of God in their lives apart from their initial faith that lends a hope for eternity. They don't learn to be established in His character like the biblical patriarchs did.
So If one lives in immoral character for instance, demon spirits of immoral character are attracted to them. Phase by phase(and this may take years), more ground in the human is ceded to them, from mere mental suggestions, then to obsession in the mind, then to the control of hearts and ultimately to total control of the human spirit with which they can express themselves through the body even against the human will.
Note that no fallen angel seeks to share a human body as it is unfit for them. Only demons do. Fallen angels are more interested in influencing human mindsets and thought patterns (the index of worship in the realm of spirits) by influencing legislations, policies, false educational theories(e.g. misrepresenting the Creator to be opposed to science), creation of false religions etc. in societal units from family to nations(Dan10:13).

HenryOnTop:
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Acehart:
So you have a “spy” suspicion? Can we know about it?

Acehart:
Did someone hack into your account?

HedwigesMaduro:
I opened this thread to let my Christian brothers and sisters know that they don't need to convince anyone of the power and glory of God or His existence. Ours is to state our point. The Holy Spirit is the One that convicts. So, if atheists want to argue, just ignore them and give the word. Shalom.

kpakpandoN:
Spying is a military strategy. In Numbers 13:1-21, God directed Moses to send spies into Canaan. In Joshua 2:1, Joshua send spies to Jericho. The devil also uses spies. In 2nd Kings 6:13-14, the king of Syria sent spies after Elisha. When the target is a great one, the spy is usually recruited from within. Judas Iscariot, one of Jesus’ disciples was recruited to spy on Him. There is a saying that if the enemy within cannot kill a fellow, neither can the one outside. This is why you need to beware of spies, especially the ones close to you.

Spies collect information from careless talk. Ephesians 5:4 warns us to be careful of careless talk, even jesting. Spies ask questions to know your thoughts and plans. Proverbs 18:7 says:
“A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his souls.”

Many people are trapped by their loose tongues. If you are already succeeding, know that there is a spy nearby pretending to be your friend, so be careful of what you say. Be careful of the information you let out, no matter how trivial you think it is. One day, I went on a visit and someone offered to get me a particular brand of soft drink, only for some other fellow to insist that I had a preference of another brand entirely. I thought “Oh, so I have been observed! Should the devil decide to get at me, he could use that drink.” That day, I bid that preferred brand bye-bye. The devil can use the most minute information to get at anyone, however, your Ally can deal with the spy. He said in Matthew 15:13:
“…Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.”

It is really not your duty to begin to look out for spies; let your Ally deal with them (Psalm 54:4). You just watch your tongue. Proverbs 29:11 says:
“A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.”
Written by Pastor E.A. Adeboye.

otipoju:

The story says each member on the premises was fined $500 for misdemeanor. And I hope you know that the job of police is law enforcement.

otipoju:
Disobedience to authority is what drove man out of the garden of Eden. The Pastor and his members are acting in irrational disobedience .

By their actions they are aiding the spread of the disease and contributing to the ultimate death of other human beings. Which is so unchristlike

God could have killed Herod but instead instructed Joseph and Mary take Jesus the Son of God into Egypt for safety reasons.

Let them stay at home. If he was my Pastor, I would have condemn his foolishness.

Acehart:
I would try to make my response as brief as possible so that I may avert any ambiguity. (Please keep in mind the decree of the Jerusalem council concerning the Gentile Christians in the Acts of Apostle; it would make you fit in certain missing pieces in my response)

African Traditional Religion (ATR) has at its very core the following: concerns for health, wealth, and procreation. (You could watch or read “Things fall apart” by Chinua Achebe to understand what I mean).

In ATR, the following themes (not exhaustive) are where ATR and Pentecostalism in Africa or Nigeria kiss each other:
1. The native doctor. (I wouldn’t like to talk about the shrine and the deity)
2. The ATR prayer.
3. The sacrifice and/or the blood of the sacrifice.
4. The devotee.

The native doctor

Only the native doctor (shaman) has direct physical and spiritual access to the deity or spirit world. The devotee is not blessed with his gift. Therefore, everything the native doctor says must be obeyed because he is the mouthpiece of the gods; He is the only source of understanding.

The ATR prayer

The Christian style of prayer is not the ATR style of prayer. The conversation style prayer of true Christianity is antithetical to what is obtained in ATR. In ATR, it is a command-style form of prayer or a conjuring. It’s what is obtained in witchcraft. The part of the Bible used to support this ATR practice in the church is the quote from the False preacher, Eliphaz - Job’s friend - where he recommended “conjuring” (decree a thing...) as a form of prayer. So, in ATR, if one is poor, wealth is conjured. If one is sick, health is conjured. If one is childless, uhm! This one is complex o! Many things can be prescribed from adultery, fornication, human sacrifice, blood oaths with the deity etc. these could also be attached for the “procurement” of health and wealth too. At the end, a child is conjured for the barren.

The typical form of prayer in ATR is retaliatory in nature (we call it “back-to-sender” here in the Nigeria. Where a calamity is thought to be aroused by one’s enemy; and the retaliatory prayer controls the calamity and “sends” it back to where it came from - one’s enemy. Unfortunately this is the kind of prayer in many churches in Nigeria).

The sacrifice and/or the blood of the sacrifice

ATR is not based on faith but on rituals, ceremonies, and lived practices. In the rituals, ceremonies and lived practices, substances play a big role. These substances purchase the needs of the devotee from the deity. Unfortunately, the Nigerian church teach that substances purchase special privileges from God. A lot of references are made to blood sacrifices made in the Bible to the extent that Christ’s blood is transubstantiated, oaths made by Jacob and Jephthah etc. Like ATR, many churches have modern day styled rituals, ceremonies and lived practices based on many Bible texts. We have churches that prescribe daily midnight prayers to combat powers of darkness in one’s life and neighborhood - a derivation from ATR, “sowing seeds”, speaking (commanding) to the elements of nature and thereafter giving alms to secure the words spoken etc

The devotee

Like ATR, the devotee must follow prescribed prayer points given by the native doctor - word for word. Failure to obey or missing a step can have grave consequences. Yet, His faith is quasi-passive; as long as he follows the rules of engagement, everything is fine. However, the devotee has a lot of confidence in the native doctor because 1. the deity is shrouded in mystery 2. The native doctor is very confident and he exudes his confidence in his words and action. So, you may hear many Bible texts used to manipulate people in church in the ATR manner - where the native doctor is the habiter of the deity’s power: the most popular Bible verse is: 2 Chronicles 20:20: put your trust in the Lord your God and you will be established. Put your trust in His prophets and succeed."

When you can, please read https://www.amazon.com/Seduction-Nigerian-Church-Gary-Maxey-ebook/dp/B073NRSQMM
It would give you a bird’s eye view of Nigerian Christianity.

I don’t think my response is great but I hope it would spur you to find out more.

Acehart:
A concept by all Pentecostal churches and many orthodox churches whose pastors covert the “prosperity” of the Pentecostal church overseers. It’s actually the effect of the syncretism between African Traditional Religion (ATR) and the Old Testament (the parts that marry perfectly with ATR).

petra1:
Some people made reference to Spanish flu lockdown . As though lock down is not a new thing . I wish they check to know how many million died in their homes who's bodies were found after lockdown

madegreatbygrace:
Are there scriptures that support predestination in the Bible ?I’m a little confused here.

Xavfra:


You're just playing exactly as I said.......


You stated that its either one is serving the Christian God if not the person is serving the enemy........
Which implies that ATR is of the devil......
Also our forefathers would burn in your Christian hell....
That Africa was clouded from the sun (I don't mean the sun Asin the sun...)
That we Africa have no say in the world,
That Africa's life would be chosen and directed by foreigners.



You said Christianity offers the ability for a sinner to become a saint..

I'm Igbo and by our culture, if there's a crime in a community, the Dibia (chief priest) helps to reconcile the community or the person who commits the crime with the gods....if any case it isn't possible, an Nri man is sent to that community to help cleanse the sin.


Yes I mean we should hold ourselves in high self esteem....
.....

I must let you know that you cannot use the standard of your religion or culture to judge mine.

I'm not saying people should create a Frankenstein religion.



I might not be able to address all your points due to laz ;Diness and I'm quite busy....


I hope I've helped solve the issue of Christianity being able to give sainthood to a sinner.......



There's no justification for us to leave ATR and embrace any foreign religion.