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To the poster above, beautiful sciptural references.

johnwell:
The HONORABILITY of marriage is solely dependent on the kinda partner you choose. Irrespective of your spirituality, irrespective of your background, irrespective of your personality, the only VISA to a honorable marriage is a HONORABLE PARTNER.


[b]This isn't what you can correct through counseling, or prayers and fasting, no, a bad partner remains a bad partner. [/b]They can pray, they can sing, they can preach, they can speak in tongues, but that doesn't change who they are.

Just like a bad tire in your car (car spiritually represents destiny, ministry, marriage) deflated, void of air, you go nowhere until you replace it. [/b]You dare not try driving with a deflated tire, you loose speed and the comfort of your car, it demotes your car, it demotes your personality other road users sees you as a fool, it destroys your rim, at the end it's still useless, and you end up spending even more replacing it.

[b]Be careful of how and where you choose, one of the worst places to choose a partner is in the church. In there we are all masquerades. Prostitutes are there, higher frequency of witches & wizards are there, murderers are there, fraudstars are there, occult are there, armed robbers are there, liars are there, we are all there masquerading, hiding our true identity.


An encounter with one of them terminates your destiny speedily, except you think and act fast. A partner void of honor will automatically convert your glory to shame.

A honorable marriage, home and life is far from you if your partner isn't honorable.

HAPPY SUNDAY!

I see what you are trying to say, but your thread comes across as a person who's lost all hope in regards to a challenging marriage, the church, and ultimately God.
This is just my opinion and I apologize if you are offended.
Some young folks may see this and be discouraged against marriage in general or their own challenging marriage.
It's good to give hope to what may appear as "hope-less" situations, when we profess the name of Jesus.

In regards to an "honourable" partner:

Psalm 37:4 (KJV)

4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart

The scripture basically says that when Christ is the center of our attention and we are learning of Him, He then changes our desires.
We crave Him daily....we desire what HE wants for us.
That includes a spouse...the one that is best matched for us.
An honorable partner is a Godly partner...and the only one who can produce that is God.

If already married, and the two finally realize that they were not matched by God...but rather mated through their own lust, (hence the multiplicity of problems) then what next?
Prayer, fasting, and counseling, ARE absolutely very good ways to go...especially if the couple (or at least 1 of them) claims to profess Christianity.
The thing is: prayer should NEVER end for the person. Even if counseling fails...even if one isn't always able to fast.
Prayer and godly behavior on behalf of one spouse (as we are told in the scriptures--1Cor.7:10-16 KJV) may even change the behavior of the other spouse...to the point that a soul is saved for the Kingdom.
The two are married...and so havig taken that sacred vow, the Lord desires for the spouses to stay married (of course except for adultery...which even if that was committed and the two decide to forgive & stay married then that is acceptable as well).

You say the church is the "worst" place to meet a potential spouse?? Church is not the only place, but it is a very good place...
We are told in scripture to:

2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (KJV)

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Yes, the church has all types of people: un-believers, satanists, "witches", "wizards", unconverted, thieves, drunkards, liars, homosexuals/lesbians, pedophiles, occultists, yahoo boys etc.
You name it...it's there.
We are not to completely condemn the church because some wrong elements are there.
Even a large "mixed multitude" came out of Egypt with the Israelites as they had been freed from 400 years of slavery (Exodus 12:35-38 KJV). People who had "0" desire to serve the God of Moses, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Some that were there to be "busy-bodies", or benefit from the protection of the Israelites' God who had just sent miraculous plagues in Egypt. Some were curious and some were probably very sincere in wanting to know who this God was. But they were there...all mixed in.
So it is with the church of today.
It is a "hospital" of sorts..
However, the whole point of Christ' church is so that ALL people can be saved eternally. He came to this earth to "seek and save the lost."
To redeem us from eternal damnation, show us, sinners a better way...help us overcome sin.
That is where a personal relationship with Christ and not just weekly church attendance comes in.
Jesus says:

John 10:10-11 (KJV)

.. I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

2 Peter 3:9-11 (KJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

God loves holy marriages.
Marriage is honorable...especially if God is the one who has specifically ordained two people to unite and ultimately glorify Him.
He stilll is in the business of leading, establishing, and even fixing marriages if we will let Him.

Atayis:
good job sir

It's "ma'am"....and thank you sir.

ojaysam25:
I believe those people praying those kind of prayer would have forfeited it,had it not yield results....if it works for them....let just let them be.....and besides is only God that answer prayers....I have seen witches confess and die due to that kind of prayer....if God is not happy with such kind of prayers he wouldn't have answer them.

I think or (it seems) as if a significant portion of Christians focus an exhoribitant amount on the "suffer a witch not to live" scripture..Exodus 22:18 (KJV).
The instructions were given to the Israelites (via Moses) in order to maintain a godly and holy community.
There clearly was no tolerance for satanism/witchcraft amongst God's people.
There was a reason for that strong command to have been given at that time.
I think that we need to be extremely careful how we use "that" scripture to justify certain actions today...or wanring folks dead.
Cause while the person may be practicing satanism...God still desires to save that person and it isn't for us to override that. There are ways of removing sin from amongst the congregation without literally killing the guilty party.

However, I thought the OP was about how we, Christians, need to practice Jesus' brand of Christianity as it pertained to "forgiveness, blessing, prayer for" our average, everyday "enemies"...the folks who basically are controlled by the spirit of the enemy...the ones who clearly have wrongfully used and abused us.
Clearly Jesus was/is not contradictory, so apparently we need to study His life....and practice how He lived.

Although heavily written about in this section, this is a most important topic...which I know needs to be reiterated in my life and probably the majority of Christians.
This gets down to the "grass-roots" of the Christian heart...past all of the Christianese, the facade, the persona of many.
I had to reassess this whole issue.
When I first read about the concept of "thunder fire", "Holy Ghost fire", and the sort, I was appalled. I had never heard those types of sayings. I thought it was just an African thing. This "fall and die" is another new one I've never heard before.
However, I could not believe that religious folks could pray those types of prayers against "enemies".
But honestly, there came a bit of a silent rebuke to me (if you can call it that) because at least those folks would openly say it rather than it being a hidden feeling in one's heart.
Nothing is hidden from God. He knows the thoughts & intents of the heart.
I mean, the clergy and/or congregation prayed overtly, what I felt in my heart many times covertly.
I have wished bad things on folks I felt AND had evidence had done me wrong. I wanted them removed off of the face of the earth and I didn't care how. I wanted vengeance...
However, the whole concept of "vengeance on one's enemies", goes totally against what Jesus preached as the OP stated.
We can look at Psalms and see at times where David wanted God to bless him so he could avenge himself from his numerous enemies. David was tired and wanted a reprieve of sorts.

Psalm 41:10-11 (KJV)

10 But thou, O Lord, be merciful unto me, and raise me up, that I may requite them.

11 By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me.


But we also see times where David had blatant evidence, wide open opportunities literally handed to him "on a platter", to avenge himself (such as the case where he walked onto Saul in the cave) YET he did not! I marvel at that every time I read it.


1 Samuel 24:6 (KJV)

6 And he said unto his men, The Lord forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord.

David could have easily justified killing Saul, based on all that Saul had been doing to him without any real reason for years. Saul was not truly willing to speak open and honestly about his issue with David..
Although "anointed" was used in the verse, this even applies to a person who "may not be anointed." Christians are still supposed to treat everyone the same.
So here is where the battle lies for true Christians: loving one's enemy...in spite of....forgiving in spite of...blessing in spite of...praying for..in spite of.
Knowing that a human is under heavy demonic influence, (as Ephesians 6:12 KJV states) does NOT lesson the hurt, frustration and desire for vengeance of the other human who has experienced the wrath and destruction of the possessed human (Ex. A family devastated by murder, a person destructively defamed, slandered, and falsely accused, a person wrongly imprisoned etc.).
But we, as followers of Christ MUST truly forgive..are commanded to do so as stated earlier in the OP.
We have to get to a point where we have genuine pity and sorrow for souls that (in the moment...are lost because they have no relationship with Christ). We must be comitted to praying for "clean hearts" so that we can commit to praying for their deliverances.
Which means, that that spirit which a Christian MUST develop (and keep) has to be through fasting & praying knowing that victory over any sin (in this case a desire for vengeance over an enemy) can be obtained.
Good OP

Alhough you used some colorful language to describe your feelings, I agree about the "Daddy" "Mommy" referral to pastors and pastors' wives.
Actually, when I first read "MOG" or "Daddy GO" here on N.L, I didn't know what it meant?

The Bible clearly says in

Matthew 23:9-10 (KJV)

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

I understand wanting to give elderly pastors and elderly wives respect, but I don't agree with the titles of "Daddy/Mommy".
I refer to pastors and their wives with respect like the following:
"Hi Pastor _______ and Sister ________.
That way they are still respected, but there is a boundary. We also understand are connection as brethren in Christ.
I only refer to the man whose seed I come from as "daddy".. and referred to the woman whose dna I shared some of, as "mommy"....and no one else.
I would have a real issue with any clergy who required me to do so.
It's dangerous to refer to clergy with certain names (let alone titles) because it can cause them to stumble...by way of pride and conceit and cause the congregants to place them in a fault-less/perfectionist manner.
I know it's probably not gonna change there in Nigeria (for those that do it), but I would hope that some folks would see the need to not do that anymore.

Beautifully written....

Haven't read the article, and please forgive my comment, but your first sentence reminded me about one thing I know when I think about my tendency to fear and the omnipotence of God:
He intervenes powerfully in the lives of His children...and just when we think He won't come through.
He repeatedly warns us NOT to FEAR....He is with us regardless.

Exodus 14:13 (KJV)

13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.

Bejusttoall:
Thanks for asking.

You know there are some statements or write up which if not checked out by some readers or listerners, they may be termed as lies or deceptions.

The scripture says in

Deuteronomy 13:14 a, Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth.....

14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;


15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord thy God.


Wow...a lot was going on in that scripture passage.
Seems as if you forgot to post the rest of Deuteronomy 13:14 (which I highlighted) plus the rest of the entire scripture passage....
This was speaking about testing a "prophet"...
I appreciate your attempt to illustrate, but (with all due respect), let's try to use scripture verses appropriately

Bejusttoall:
Collaborating what e.viana wrote here, everyone shall be held responsible for whatever he/she says or write.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

One does not write or say something out of the blue moon. It takes the heart of such person to process what is being written or said


Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

This also applies to speaking and writing lies/deception.

Feranmicharles:
Just wondering if God will also judge us by what we do post online or upload,cos there are some sinful acts online. So my dear brothers/sisters,kindly air your view pls. Is He going to judge us based on the things we do on the internet too on judgment day?

If posting online is a part of our daily lives, then "yes" He absolutely will judge what we post.
Not only will He judge what we post, but ALSO the intent/motives behind it. It will all come into play as He judges the lives we have lived on earth.

Matthew 5:28 (KJV)

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

1 Samuel 16:7 (KJV)

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart

Proverbs 4:23 (KJV)

23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

It's one thing to be struggling in the inner recesses on one's own heart, but another thing altogether to lead others astray...or into one's mess.
It's also one thing to post something honestly & sincerely (which may seem ignorant to some), and another to deliberately post stuff to cause strife.
I've had to check myself...many times in life...about the motive behind doing something.
Even here on N.L...in my past life. I've posted and wished I could erase.
I still don't always get it right.
Ask yourself why you want to post a particular thing?
Also if it's edifying or destructive?
Christians have to be sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit when online.

kollected77:
You are very correct brother. May God deliver His people from this particular sin. Amen.

Sister...and it's ok.

Haven't watched the video...but you are 1000 percent correct.
Pride is one of the most heavily promoted & difficult sin to confess.
Pride(and his refusal to repent from it) is what got Lucifer ejected from Heavenly Kingdom.

Many cultures...seen heavily in African ones for example, tend to promote "pride above everything".
Then the clash begins when faced with their Saviour, and their need to submit and humble themselves, many people refuse.
We are not entering the Kingdom wearing pride as a "badge of honor"...
Christians need to seriously understand that and introspectively examine themselves...it's a heart issue.

poik:
These days, people measure spirituality by how many visions and prophecies a child of God can deliver per second, the fluidity and charisma he exhibits when preaching the word of God, or how many of his dreams come true, or even how generous or churchgoing he is.

All of this is good, very good.


But i have come to realise one thing as taught me by God in my short stint in the christian race.

The more you keep the word of God and try to walk with Him in obedience and submission, the more jealous God gets over you.[i][/i]

This jealousy is not the fighting-your-enemies kind of jealousy, or determined protection like saving you from near-death experiences and the like, though they are part of the package.

The kind of jealousy i am referring to is the type of rage that fills you when your girlfriend or wife goes chatting indiscriminately with some man who really makes you feel insecure, because that is exactly what happens when we derail in sin.

You get punished on the spot.

There are Bible precedences for this point.

David thought it was just enough to kill Uriah and run to God for forgiveness. God forgave him, but killed the child, and made sure he lost four sons in succession. Apostle Paul thought that with his conversion, his slate of hate against the christians would be wiped away simply because he was in God's line of duty. God not only sent a brother to show him things he must suffer for his sake, he left him with partial blindness which he suffered all his life.

God is a god of consequence. [/b]Bible says hand joined in hand, no sinner wil go unpunished.
[b]
If your wrongs are judged and purged on earth here, you are the child of God on the top of the chain. Because as for each sin, there is a repercussion, and how bad it will be if it will be waiting for some people in the hereafter.

As we strive as children of God on this pathway of right, let us do our best to minimize wilful wrongdoing in this new year.

Thoughts?

The title is interesting.
The God you have depicted here appears tyrannical, cruel, vindictive, envious and angry.
I would like to respond to the parts I highlighted in your post.

1. That's a grave error for believing someone is spiritual based on all of the things that you mentioned. Be careful using those criteria.

Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV)

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

2. David confessed, asked for forgiveness and forsook his sins...Who David had been "before" he comitted that heinous sin....and what he did "after" he acknowledged it, thus made him a "man after God's own heart." Acts 13:22 (KJV).
Paul (after his conversion) was one of the fiercest soldiers for the Christ.
The challenge that Paul prayed would be removed from him, was NOT a direct result of who he was when he ignorantly slaughtered so many Christians.
That challenge could have also caused Paul to rely on God all the more.
Actually God was extremely merciful to both men by NOT striking them dead for their sins.
Yes, they repented...BUT that does not mean that consequences will be erased for some actions.
Consequences, oftentimes, are the results of "our" actions. Because we live in a world ravaged by sin, challenges are guaranteed...unfortunate situations occur. Consequences happen...even if one is forgiven.
Ex. A Christian woman could have had a baby out-of-wedlock with a man she never married.
She committed sin...or had been living a sinful lifestyle.
However, she cofessed her sin repented, and no longer lives in that lifestyle.
The consequences of her actions resulted in a child. Now she is a single mother and life is extremely difficult because the father is not in the child's life. God has forgiven her, BUT the fact is...she has a child she has to be responsible for.

3. God is a God of mercy and justice.
Psalm 86:15 (KJV), Psalm 89:14 (KJV) & many more..
We do not receive what we really deserve...death with no chance of being reconciled to Him.

4. Comparison between earthly romantic ties (based on jealousy) and God's "desire" for restoration and reconciliation to a fallen people..is faulty.
We humans, tend to nurture a jealousy that's derived by sin...
God's "jealousy" is moreso a "longing"... Jeremiah 31:3 (KJV)
God loves His creation that much that He desires to spend eternity with us! He wants to spend time daily together. How can you know someone if you don't do so? When we sin, it separates the fullness of joy that we "could" have with Him.
But God is a God who allows us choice and freewill. If we run away from Him, He will try to "woo" us back, but He will never force us.

5. The point of blotting out of sins in people is the fact that no sin will ever rise again in the universe. Children of God must confess, ask for forgiveness and forsake the sins.
1John 1:9 (KJV)

If not, then the sins remain and the person has chosen "death" rather than "life".
No one will be on the top of the chain (not quite understanding what you meant) on earth except the Lord.
However, those who have surrendered and are obedient to the Lord...will have the priviledge of living eternally as sons & daughters of the King of Kings.....Revelation 3:21 (LJV)

.....

I want to thank the Lord for His forgiveness, encouragement, patience, protection, MERCY, GRACE and ever-lasting LOVE towards me...
Each of the above has been shown to me very clearly this year.
What an extremely challenging year....(too much to say right here)....yet showers of blessings rained on me along the way.
He has once again brought me through to the end of another year....and for that I once again say, "Thank you Lord God Almighty."

Meditation
the act of giving your attention to only one thing, either as a religious activity or as a way of becoming calm and relaxed:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/meditation

Clearly, meditation in and of itself is not a "sin".
It becomes a problem based on the "object of" the meditation.
People meditate on many things....both negative and positive.
For Christians however, we are told repeatedly through the scriptures to "meditate" on the Word of God daily.
So much so, that by doing so, one begins to live a life pleasing to God based on that constant reflection. Contemplation on His Word daily, eventually changes the surrendered heart.
Examples:
Joshua 1:8 (KJV)
Psalm 1:2 (KJV)
Psalm 63:6 (KJV)
Psalm 119:148 (KJV)

Meditation has become the signature word for a style that originated from a few eastern religions...the most popular style
known as "yoga".
Its origins are paganastic and opposite of God's law & ways.
That is a problem for Christians who are told what they should meditate on.
If it's a huge problem for the Lord, it surely is a problem for His people.
It becomes a sin when a person chooses to ignore God's implicit directions (which he/she is free to do) and chooses the opposite path.

mumumugu:
Corinthians 14:33b-36. First Timothy 2:9–15 iin light of women leadership.

The focus is not on the interpretation of the verse, but on the feeling it envokes.

a woman told me it makes her feel inferior, low sex

many confided in me they do not like it but got to accept it since it is inspired by the bible.

It would be interesting to ask the same question to Muslim women...

Anyhow, "the feeeling the verses evoke", for me would be shock at first glance. On the surface, it appears "oppressive".

1 Timothy 2:9-15 (KJV)


9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.



1 Corinthians 14:33-36 (KJV)

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?


I'm not sure sir, that you want a real discussion...it appears to be other motives here but I could be wrong.
However, if you would permit me to speak, I'd love to expound a little more here. As always, there are sincere, searching and anonymous people on this site, who compel my conscience to write for.

A Christian cannot just read most scripture passages or verse(s)...and assume, infer, or conclude an affirmative meaning just at first glance. Yes, some scripture verses are very direct, straight-to-the-point, and cannot be misinterpreted.

Example:

John 14:6 (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

However, there are many scripture passages that need to be read further...."line upon line, precept upon precept"....
A wise student of the scriptures would dig deeper to understand exactly "what" the Lord is saying.
Christianity does not oppress women.
Some CULTURES, however, do.
Those cultures mix/mingle and misinterpret God's Word.
A woman NOT usurping a man's voice/teaching in church settings does NOT equate to a woman NOT having a distinct personality/voice/opinion.
God is honoring the hierarchy established within the confines of Christianity: God, the Godly husband, and the Godly wife..the respect for the man carries a grave responsibilty...because he is to be led by the Lord.
He has to shoulder the responsbility...which was given to him as the man by the Lord.
The same design is for the church.
Women minister in so many ways throughout a church, that she does NOT need the role of "pastor" or "elder". Those roles are reserved for males. In that sense, the woman should NOT attempt to usurp a man's authority.
Attempting to head/lead a church, is NOT the responsibility of a woman, but her gifts are to be used in a church setting.

bLacKGoLd3:
Philippians 4:6
Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with Thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

So this is a bit weird. I started off typing the scripture above just in response to the ones you posted, which are one of my favorites.

As I typed out those words from Phil 4:6, I realized it was an answer to a pressing concern I had put before God this morning to give me wisdom on how to mediate in a family matter that was brought to my attention. One part of me wanted to act fast by placing a call today with the hope of nipping things in the bud, while another part wanted to fast/pray with the party concerned before making the call.


I marvel at this God shaaa. His ways are past searching!

PS: I only just noticed the OP has same scripture. I actually responded to the post above before looking at the thread.

You've written beautifully as well...
Yes....God is an awesome God!
Sometimes I get really choked up when I think about how loving, patient, kind, forgiving and encouraging He is to ME! Especially when I get sick of me.

When He speaks to me through a particular scripture passage or verse, and I'm going through a challenging time, (and I know that those verses are specifically for me), I get so overwhelmed....not knowing how to show my gratitude.

Amen to the fact that Phil 4:6 was brought to your remembrance before making a "rash" decision in regards to your family situation.
I'm slowly learning how to pause, pray and wait for the Lord to show me the way....or to answer my prayer in His own time AND His own way...and be AT PEACE with the outcome.
Be encouraged...

Beautifully written....

Isaiah 26:3 (KJV)
3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.


John 14:27 (KJV)
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

This is one of the reasons why I am sincerely obsessed with the Book of Psalms.
One can feel King David's plea and distress...his cry to the Lord...and his hope in Him..in times of trouble.
Powerful, beautiful, blessed and encouraging scripture passage.

Righteousness89:
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Jeremiah 17:7-8
7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

Very, very good choices....

victorjoe:
No sir, it is not a joking matter. Someone asked and nobody could really answer. thank you for the insight.

Ok....was wondering cause you never can know in this section.
Tons and tons of mockery and confusion.
I feel terribly for the "young in faith"...
The Holy Spirit will reveal truth through all of the mud and dirt though.

You are welcome.
I am a woman...so "ma'am" is fine

victorjoe:
Bible guru's in the house. Please enlighten me on this. In a gathering of friends we were having a discussion and somehow we ended in religion. Someone asked this question.

What will happen if the devil decides to repent, will God forgive him? That simply means he will be born again right?

Thank you.

Not a guru, but wanted to answer.
I hope, sir, that you are sincerely asking.
Cause this is not a joking matter.

The enemy has chosen to NOT repent.
His fate has been decided.
What you quoted in Revelation....the book that ends life here on earth, stated that fact.

Revelation 20:10 (KJV)

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever

The enemy is not fickle...like you and I.
Neither is God fickle.
The enemy chose what he wanted (and stood affirmatively on it)...so God had to react.
What has been written (in the Bible) is what will be.

Additional Info

The scriptures you were referring to point back to Isaiah 14. They describe the situation that took place once Lucifer decided to rebel against God's government.


Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

victorjoe:
Actually its in the new Testament. Rev 12: 7 - 12. But last last he was cast out which means there was a problem between God and him

Actually, the problem arose when "pride" arose in Lucifer...in the Heavenly Kingdom.

That would be the "Old Testament"....

Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Praying for Christians in Nigeria...
The world sees...know that Christians are praying "with" & "for" you guys.
Most importantly, God sees you all.
He has you guys...keep enduring to the end.

nwabekeyi:
People still believe the bible because they can seem to comprehend anything beyond it.

If Christians can get good telescopes and stargaze all nights, the stories of the bible will become so inaccurate because:

1. You won't be seeing heaven in it...
2. You won't be seeing a sun orbiting the earth
3. You won't be seeing God on the throne
4. All you will see are stars, planets and the international space station, nothing more.


You will realize how small and irrelevant the earth is in respect to the size of the universe..
This is the only acceptable reality...

No sir,
You are entitled to your opinion...but I must say that you are in error.
If Christians got a good telescope and saw all the trillions of stars, the beauty of the sun by day and moon by night, and the other 7 planets...plus throw in some galaxies etc., the complexity of it all, would only enhance their awe of the mighty God of the Universe...the Lord God Creator....as stated in His Word.
It would further strengthen their faith in the omnipotent and omniscient God who created such a delicately & intricately structured working universe that didn't just happen by "accident".

As far as seeing God in heaven on the throne, that is not yet. But we as Christians, through FAITH in His Word, WILL see Him one day...and it will be eternally.
What we see now is enough.

How could a Creator care so so so much for a small, fallen planet "irrelevant in respect to the size of the universe" as you, sir, wrote above
(which could've been destroyed and forgotten which is true) that He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die so that we (who believe by faith) could be reconciled to Him for eternity??
What kind of love is this! What a sacrifice! He didn't have to do it....BUT He did!
Now "that" is the only acceptable reality....the hope of Christians' salvation.

Psalm 8:3-4 (KJV)

3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psalm 19:1-2 (KJV)

1The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

overcomersfaith:
We are going to pray today, but before then we must look at the topic we are considering today- “A Disciplined Tongue.”   Beloved, what do you understand by a disciplined tongue?

Proverbs 17:28 (KJV) -
28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: [and] he that shutteth his lips [is esteemed] a man of understanding.

Proverbs 21:23(KJV) -
23 Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.

Proverbs 29:20(KJV) -
20 Seest thou a man [that is] hasty in his words? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 10:19(KJV) -
19 In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips [is] wise.

James 1:19-20(KJV) -
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak,slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

Ephesians 4:29(KJV) -
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Beautifully stated and very true.

Lamentations 3:20-23 (KJV)

20 My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.

21 This I recall to my mind, therefore have I hope.

22 It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

23 They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.