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[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=762916.msg9173520#msg9173520 date=1316388711]Amaechi said about 80 per cent of certain children in the North did not learn some essential things at the appropriate time.[/quote]Where did he use the word illiterate? Where did he say the south was more educated?

MsDarkSkin:
Pro - Garvey. . .homage to Garvey. . .difference is. . .?
and i doubt they were the first. Biafra wasn't even a recognized African nation until AFTER Garvey's death. 

The difference was that you said they were Pan Africanist.

Do you know any flags that use these colours before 1967?

Like said before, "no one cares".

Eko Ile:
You really should have shut your mouth instead of spewing silly rubbish and lies that you can not support with facts. That really was re-tarded.

Sorry, I already got what I wanted.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=762542.msg9173307#msg9173307 date=1316385263]Right. But probably everywhere in the world, sleeping with your sister-in-law is viewed as disgusting, no?[/quote]I don't know, just like I don't know the same for sleeping with a 13 year old.

Eko Ile:
And what are the immoral things?

If you are in any way going to reply with a sensible answer, [size=14pt]please support your answer with verifiable proof of the so called immoral acts.[/size]

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Developed countries are having meltdowns and their people are protesting, as always I will never trust anything nuclear with a country that does not already have constant light.

Eko Ile:
The people I defend on the internet did not fcukk and got their wife's sister pregnant.

Try again dufuss.

But they did other things that were immoral (which is why you were specific in what they didn't do). There's no such thing as levels of immorality.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=762542.msg9173201#msg9173201 date=1316383994]i wasn't referring to an 'abomination' by Igbo cultural standards, i don't know anything about that.

Just general human cultural standards.[/quote]It's not really an issue of general human cultural standards, for example the age of consent in Nigeria is as low as 13 in some parts of Nigeria, and polygamy is legal, all these things are an 'abomination' in other countries.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=762253.msg9172367#msg9172367 date=1316374208]too much nitpicking, jeez.

what was the bight called before being named biafra?

biafra is an applied name- there were other biafras in cameroon/central africa as well as in guinea to the west, centuries before the nigerian one.

must you always bust a vein over things you dont control and dont even understand? [/quote]A bight isn't restricted to one country, a bight is geographical, no? So that's why the whole area is (or was) called the Bight of Biafra. For example, there is still a Bight of Benin that spans Western Nigeria, Benin Republic, and Togo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulf_of_Guinea_(English).jpg

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=762542.msg9173154#msg9173154 date=1316383430]Impregnating your sister in law. . . that is an abomination.

Eesh[/quote]I'm not completely sure it is in Igbo culture, I'll have to check, but a male sibling can impregnate another males siblings wife for them (as a donor). But I think I'm sure you can't marry.

Eko Ile:
Why not just say it's perfectly ok for our leaders to engage in immoral and corrupt conduct,

Like you do with the people you defend on the interent?

Mojibola:
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe, my 5cents.

What a brilliant original quote!

[quote author=mr.uwaifo link=topic=762542.msg9172805#msg9172805 date=1316378807]Igbo's sef . they are too desperate for money , so tay sister sleep with in-law . Na their way be that sha ![/quote]How does it feel being a moron?

MsDarkSkin:
HUH?! Biafra was a pro - Garvey - pan africanism nation? you sure?

i will have do some research!!

That's not what I said, the Biafran flag is a more obvious homage to Marcus Garvey, and I think they were one of the first to modify the UNIA flag.

No one cares.

She555:
She dosnt have two hips what you thinking is a second hip is actually the mothers legs and knee, this legs are intierly too big for that little baby head , maybe the story's made up, but the picture of a mother trying to save her child is real!! So it depends how u look at it either way that baby is only 3 or. 4 months old just look at the picture the legs are the mothers

I can clearly see a woman in a skirt and shirt with one leg and arm in the dirt and the other arm over a boy of 7-10 years who is wearing trousers and a shirt. I can see that the boy is underneath the woman and one hand is over her head, I can see five clear fingers that are on the right hand of the boy with the thumbs hidden.

How can a human being have two right hands or twist their hand like that unless it's completely broken off? There is absolutely no baby there.

OAM4J:
“Research has shown that Nigerian national flag is one of the best flag of the nations on earth, but ironically, it is the most abused national flag in the world.”

Heeheehee. *Jumps on the flag*

Seun:
unsmartpeople

Is that totalitarian censoring for the word 'idiots'?

Biafras flag was bit more obvious than that:

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/images/biafra.gif

If Eve didn't come out Nigerian, then the test would have been fake.

They have some similar words, and their attire isn't far from Igbo around the Cross River clothing either. I think they are partly Muslim though.

ChinenyeN:
@nasoeb. . you are Bonny, and I am Ngwa. I'd very much like to talk discuss. I mielamam.

@ezeagu, Azumiri (actually the river Aza which connects to Imo) got it's name from the community [Azumiri], which got it's name from being positioned "behind the river", since the community is the most eastward compared to most other communities and it is on the other size of the Aza river (i.e. to the back of everyone else)

I thought so, because like many town names, Azumiri is used in other areas as well and it's usually pronounced to mean behind the water or something.

MsDarkSkin:
your opinion.
if you think being igbo means you know EVERYTHING about your past then thats your own issue.
i am jamaican/American and don't know everything about my past. im open to other ideas. based on my observations i see the resemblance between bi-racial blacks and lighter skinned africans. also i have noted that
igbos are believed to have originated in places that are predominately "arab" today and even back then.

It's not an opinion, there are certain signs that would have shown Arab contact, including genetics, yet there are none, even if there was one, it's not enough to have significantly affected over 20 million people because any contact would have been obviously so little as to have been 'forgotten' with no evidence. Even the Yoruba had the Arabic script and Islam and they are considered mostly darker compared to the Igbo. When the Igbo started encountering Europeans, they thought they were evil spirits.

If the lighter skin complexion is caused by Arabs that would mean that the majority of Africans are unevenly mixed with Arabs including the Xhosa who are even lighter than the Igbo and the Khoisan that have older roots, apparently.

Dede1:
Please stop encouraging the revisionists by stating Opara Asimiri. It was Opara Azumiri (fish of water or fish in the river). It is a fact the people of the era in discuss were fond of taking names after certain animals. For example, Ikiri, Ediabali, Edimiri, Odum, Agu, Ugo, etc.

I thought the Azumiri places were pronounced Àzú mmiri = back waters, not Ázụ mmiri.

Actually, there are European accounts of paved streets among many Nigerian groups including Benin. What is this? We don't think African ancestors can create streets? Plus were the streets in 1700 amsterdam built by bulldozers?

"Ewuru" a wuzikọ 'lion'?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=760170.msg9161853#msg9161853 date=1316200672]I'm not sure how one must not conclude that the above is nothing more than gross exaggeration. Dutch visitor said the streets in the city seemed to go on with out being able to see an ending  What vehicles plied these roads? Were these people talking about trekking paths or roads? abeg make una no make me laugh jare  Unending roads ko, unending paths to the bush ni  [/quote]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Ancient_Benin_city.JPG

The point was that there are no Arabs living amongst the Igbo even till now.

PhysicsQED:
I probably am wasting my time. I find Dede1's opinions interesting (however biased they may be) and that's why I wanted to see if he could really justify his perspective in the face of written evidence to the contrary.

I get you.

Dede1:
I have nothing against Benin or the empire but to point out element of exaggeration in certain historical records. To claim that Bini Empire was burnt down by British and at the same insinuates the palace alone was as big as German city of Tübingen is absurd. I guess the British committed serious and lengthy act of arson.

Remember I read something about Akasa raid and the act of arson too.
I remember some historical records informed that British burnt down Washington, DC. The only structure partially burnt is your guess.

I hardly believe the Europeans aggrandised Benin because the journey there was too long. Did they claim that the Aborigines had flying machines?

For one, they already had a bad opinion of Africa, and two I've never heard of anywhere else in Africa being compared to European cities, let alone by Europeans themselves. Benin then was great, actually very great, not so much now, but before it was much more than a "village empire", let's say the truth when we see it.

PhysicsQED:
What relevance does this claim have to your original comment?

Almost all of Benin city was burnt down to nothing in 1897.

Uh, no. This statement doesn't even make any sense from a simple logical standpoint. Does present day Benin city stretch to Udo, Edo state? No. Did the past Benin empire stretch well beyond Udo, Edo state? Yes.

Many European visitors (including some of the writers who wrote about Benin) wrote about many other parts of Africa, especially on this same coast and did not make any such comparisons or give glowingly positive descriptions about the other places they visited.

A German writer notes that the palace complex of the city alone was as large as an entire German city. Other writers point out that the number of rooms and courts of the palace did not seem to end, a Dutch visitor said the streets in the city seemed to go on with out being able to see an ending, and from this you claim that we should conclude that rather than them all seeing the same thing, they were all exaggerating, merely for the sake of it, since they were in Africa?

And it would make more sense to show from the primary sources themselves that they must have been exaggerating based on their diction or exact statements, than to just assert that every statement from each explorer was an exaggeration. Unless you can read German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, and Portuguese and have read every description of Benin, your assumptions here don't carry much weight.

You're wasting your time. You honestly believe anyone in or out of Nigeria thinks of Benin as a "village empire"?

Dede1:
Today’s Benin City can not be mentioned among the largest cities in Nigeria. In addition, there is no doubt that the present day Benin City is, at least, four fold bigger than Village Empire called Bini.

If you do not discern element of exaggeration in comparison of Bini empire to the cities in Europe by the European explorers in order to quantify the value of their trip to Africa, I shall leave you with the hyperbolism.

Why all this talk against Benin?

Batubo:
After more than 50 years in a land,people should no longer be seen as migrants.

Tell that to Israel.