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Obiagu1:
I doubt the ancestor of the Igbo was Igbo.

From every indication, it is not.

What indication, the fact that many Igbo communities have a tale of an ancestor called Igbo, or by the fact that Anambra State tourism board is protecting a site said to be the house of 'Igbo'?

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Or this. NOT a circus tent.

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This is better.

Obiagu1:
Sure but it didn't make much meaning to me because I don't know how the "idu" (spirit/Ancestor) is actually pronounced and if it's the same as "Idu", the name of the people. A people cannot bear "spirit" as a name, can they?

Idu is their ancestor, same as 'Igbo'.

dayokanu:
Yes I agree with you, Those African attire get swagga die. Did you see OBJ and Jimmy carters picture? Carter looked like OBJ's chaffeur

But that would be the same as Jimmy Carter wearing this:

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I'm not saying don't wear native, but wear one that's a bit toned down.

dayokanu:
Are you saying its conincidental that all 5 Igbo governors have foreign first names and No SW Governor have a foreign surname?

Well if you add Chibuike Amaechi it's no longer an issue.  

The 2011 administration just started, let's not forget:

Christopher Alao-Akala
Gbenga Daniel
Rauf Aregbesola
(is 'Raji' a Yoruba name? )

and. . .
Chimaroke Nnamani
Orji Uzor Kalu
Ikedi Ohakim

Cheers.

Obiagu1:
Edo cannot be a corrupt form of Idu.
Idu is pronounced differently from Edo.

Idu is pronounced like udu (Igbo drum) but with "u" replaced by "i".

Did you read PhysicsMHD post?

dayokanu:
Surely we had more returnee slaves among Yorubas than among Igbos and We have more coastal Interaraction with European in the SW than in the SE which would explain the foreign surnames else where would you get Fernandez, Da Silva, George etc from

The Kalabari traded with the Europeans for sometime, so they are like the Itsekiri, the Aboh traded as well, but they don't have a traditiona of foreign names. Another is Calabar, although that's Efik. But the amount of Yoruba people with foreign names makes it seem like the whole Sierra Leone marched into Lagos sometime, I don't know, maybe the Creole's had less infant mortality/longer life span.

dayokanu:
Most Yorubas dont have an English first name and those who have middle English names supress it and dont flaunt it like SEasterners do

Examples are those Governors I showed you, I dont know if they have a native name because they trumped their Foreign names above it Compare that to the SW governors and you would notice that reverse is the case, I dont know if any of the SW govs have Foreign names maybe they trumped their local over the foreign

Most Igbo people don't have an English first name either. But there's no Igbo politician with a surname like 'Bello' or 'George' or any Arabic names for that matter.

dayokanu:
Ezeagu,

I think the influence of catholic religion on the SE made a lot of easterners have Latin names. Calistus, Paulina, Cosmos etc.

I might be wrong but its difficult to see any Igbo/Catholic without a foreign name either first or middle.

In the SW around the seventies there was a kind of revolution whereby people started dropping their English/hebrew name for local ones e.g My parent dropped their English names and none of the children have a foreign name

This is random but compare the governors

Babatude fashola, Ibikunle Amosun, Abiola Ajimobi, Kayode fayemi, Segun Mimiko to SULLIVAN Chime, THOEDORE Orji, ROCHAS okorocha, PETER Obi, MARTIN Elechi

All the Yorubas have local names while All the igbos have foreign first names.

Rauf Aregbesola, Rauf might be arabic though

They all have Igbo middle names/alternate names because of the Christianity.

Sullivan Iheanacho Chime
Theodore Ahamefule Orji
Owelle Rochas Anayo Okorocha

Many Igbo believe in having 'English' name and an Igbo name for home, but the point here is that there are less Igbo people with English/foreign surnames than there are Yoruba.

Katsumoto:
Ezeagu

Your argument is funny. In case you missed it; the point Andre is making is that people don't/can't really change their surnames but they can at least decide what their first names are. For instance, if you meet a Yoruba person with a foreign surname, he mostly likely will be called by a Yoruba first name even if he has an English middle name. It is very rare to meet a Yoruba person whose first name and surname are English. Yoruba people usually have Yoruba first names.

There are many Yoruba Christians who have English names just like Igbo Christians but they usually go by their Yoruba names. It is also true that Igbo rarely have English surnames but quite a number of Igbo people go with English first names.


Even the Yoruba catholics go with Yoruba first names and English middle names.

Read the response above.

Katsumoto:
The reference you made to that wiki has no bearing on the debate.

Actually that was for some that were saying the Krios were purposefully integrating into Yoruba natives, at least before Hebert Macaulay when I talked about people dropping their names for Krio sounding one.

Andre Uweh:
But you will not struggle to find Pini Jackson, Sandra Damasus, Teco Benson, Rita Dominic etc.

If you're surname was Ojukwu in 1967 standing in front of the Nigerian military and they asked you what you're name is what would you say? If you're surname is 'Aturuocha' and a movie producer asked your for your name, what would you do?

Stage names.

Andre Uweh:
Ezeagu believe me, Yorubas are more at home with their native names.
While I was in classroom with the Yorubas in Yorubaland, almost all their first and last names where in Yoruba. Even at my work place at the moment, none of the Yoruba guys there are bearing foreign names.

And in the Igbo class almost all of their surnames would be Igbo, if we take it to the rural villages over 90% of their names would be Igbo. Even Olaudah, a former slave, kept his name. For publishing anyway.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=687855.msg8496874#msg8496874 date=1307748974]i think you've been corrected about the last part of your imaginary scenario.[/quote]Corrected by who with what authority?

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=687855.msg8496821#msg8496821 date=1307748203]There were Krios present in Onitsha as well if people have forgotten. I wonder what happened to them.  [/quote]The British didn't establish any hierarchy there so they probably melted in better, unlike in Lagos where their heads were inflated and others were trying to integrate with them.

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=687855.msg8496845#msg8496845 date=1307748626]Come to Rivers state and you will see "Igbos" with English surnames. And they are proud about it.[/quote]I know there are Igbo people with surnames like 'John' or 'Matthew', but the point is that there's no way anyone is telling me there are more Igbo people with non-Igbo surnames than there are Yoruba with non-Yoruba surnames.

Andre Uweh:
My secondary as well as university education were in Yorubaland. I also had my Youth service in Yorubaland. This afforded me with the opportunity know their name patterns.
In Igboland, we do retain our surnames but tot compared to the Yorubas. How about our Igbo first names as compared to Yoruba first names.
Have you ever seen a Yorubaman called Alfonsus, Alloysius, Longinus, Donatus, Adolphus, Reginald etc.
It is an established fact that Yorubas bear their cultural names more than any group in Nigeria.

I'd struggle to find an Igbo man named 'Alfonsus, Alloysius, Longinus, Donatus, Adolphus, Reginald', just like finding a Yoruba man by those names. Unlike Yoruba, I would struggle finding an Igbo man whose surname is Wellignton.

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=687855.msg8496813#msg8496813 date=1307748060]I seen a lot of people in Warri with English and Portuguese surnames. It must a riverine phenomenon. Even many of the riverine Igbo have those surnames.[/quote]The Warri people's case is similar to the Creole's, only that Warri people with those names are actually directly and legitimately descended from 'pure' authentic ethnic Portuguese men and women, not by rape or pillage, but by marriage.

Someone like Jonathan may have had an ancestor that adopted this name though, but Portuguese names in Nigeria are not usually a result of name changing.

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=687855.msg8496792#msg8496792 date=1307747750]They still would not be insulting Yar'Adua though. The people in the West seem to be wary of Muslims.[/quote]Yar'Adua George Bush used to pat on the shoulder like boy-boy?

sbeezy8:
totally not true infact it was the other way around many krios aside from the ones who kept their name changed their slave names to yoruba names and married into indigenous royal families to be accepted.

alakija a prominent family in lagos orignally had the name Assumpacio'

Elite creoles purposely trying to integrate with the 'natives'? Something they would never have thought of doing in Liberia or Sierra Leone?

This is what I read on Hebert Macaulay's wiki page oh!

Herbert Macaulay was an unlikely champion of the masses. A grandson of Ajayi Crowther, the first African bishop of the Niger Territory, he was born into a Lagos that was divided politically into groups arranged in a convenient pecking order – the British rulers who lived in the posh Marina district, the Saros and other slave descendants who lived to the west, and the Brazilians who lived behind the whites in the Portuguese Town. Behind all three lived the real Lagosians, the masses of indigenous Yoruba people, disliked and generally ignored by their privileged neighbours. It was not until Macaulay’s generation that the Saros and Brazilians even began to contemplate making common cause with the masses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Macaulay

I don't know if it is incorrect/exaggerated or not.

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=687855.msg8496771#msg8496771 date=1307747405]Just imagine? Would my favorite Brazilian president ever do that to an Abacha, Yar'Adua or even an Obasanjo?[/quote]Please reomve Yar'Adua's name. Not to insult him, but he wasn't exactly the center of attention in those meetings he attended with his pyjamas.

Andre Uweh:
Yea, only two percent of the Yorubas still retain those colonial names. They are found mostly in Lagos where the recaptives settled.
But believe me, amongst all the ethnic groups in Nigeria, Yorubas bear their cultural names more than any group. Hausas and Ijaws are the worst.

I still disagree with you on the Yoruba retaining their native names the most, at least among the middle class and up.

[quote author=EzeUche! link=topic=687855.msg8496754#msg8496754 date=1307747174]Were they not the descendant of Krios?[/quote]I was actually told that in order to fit into the Krio elite in Lagos and other urban areas, many native Yoruba changed their surnames to European, Krio sounding names. I don't think someone like Bode George descended from Krio's, although I could be wrong.

Andre Uweh:
One of the reasons I like the Yoruba's is because they cherish their surnames so much. It will be rare to find a Yoruba man with a foreign surname.Perhaps only 2% of them.
But go to Bayelsa and Rivers states, it is voluminous.

Andre Uweh I'm surprised, I've heard about the grass being greener on the other side, but I wouldn't expect someone like you to say such an incorrect thing about Nigeria. The same Yoruba people with names like Crowther, George and Wellington?

deadie:
I be correct Umuahia man, with strong ties to Isiala Ngwa via my dad.

I've never heard such thing before, ma ọ bu na I ne kwu maka ibe nne nna gi?

donspony:
Do tell me
- Chukwu means God in igbo right
and surely everyone knows 'ode' already.

Abeg, leave them to be cursing themselves.

Bonny carnival (proper carnival, not all that imported Roman costume nonsense).

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Eru from Umuahia (Ohuhu)

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Eru-wa-mgbede (Aro quarters, Isiokpo)

The Eru-wa-mgbede mask-character of Aro-Isiokpo offers a rounded personality exhibiting characteristics of omumu beauty that includes qualities of gentleness and strength as earlier discussed. She is a female mask accompanied by both men and women. She displays gentleness in her subtle movement and dance, but strength and vigor are evident in the amazing dashing movements as well as the extraordinary ‘flying feats” regarded as supernatural. Preparation for the part is a big challenge for the male actor who must perfect his portrayal of feminine and masculine actions as well as supernatural feats. Acrobatics hardly pose much problem for actors in the community where the sport is a major pass-time. However, extensive rehearsal and preparation are required for the extraordinary actions that appear supernatural. Preparation includes seclusion, absence from sexual contact, plantain based vegetable diet, chewing of medicinal root called ugbugbo, and spiritual communion. Although I tried to explain his seclusion and concentration on his theatrical goal, abstainance that helped to conserve his energy and the vegetarian diet that kept him agile for female dance, the actor insisted that metaphysics was largely responsible for his actions.

http://www.chiwrite.com/female%20power.html

Bonny Nwaotam.

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Can anybody tell me what 'Nwa otam' means?

Kalabari Owu Arusun.

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[center][size=58pt]NOT. THE. DRAGON!!![/size]

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What I have to say about this issue:

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kidiiing.

It could be whoever nairaland's resident rhino wants it to be.

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Whoever argues with a frustrated Rhino needs a blood test.

Dem, that shit is looking raggedy and dented. It looks like a sheet of metal over a rickety skeleton.

[center]Nigeria: Lipstick on a corpse.[/center]

The same reactions by Nigerians every time, yet nothing will happen. One day, Ahia gi zuo.

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=676948.msg8495052#msg8495052 date=1307726335]@OP

I think there's a thread already on this subject.

Anyway, I love all ethnic groups. I've got a plan to tour the length and breadth of Nigeria by God's grace, before I expire.[/quote]I would advise you not to tour the whole length otherwise you will surely end up somebody's spare parts, and I'm talking about the north, south, east, and west of Nigeria!