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afam4eva:
Like someone said "their reserach is flawed". Their are even more Edo peeps in London than Hausa. Igbo or Yoruba would have made more sense. Better still they should have just used pidgin english or left it in Queens english because Nigerians are too tribalistic. The moment an Igbo tribalist sees that the place is named "Ekabo" they'll stop going there and vice versa.

You need to visit Harrods with a pen and pad, then write down the name of every black customer there, you will see that the Hausa people outnumber other Nigerians in this census.

[size=38pt]50 Yeas![/size] Chineke.

So with all their powers, do these witches suffer the same as all Nigerians? Why? I would have flown out of Nigeria since.

exotik:
and trust me, the ikas who do not feel "igbo" and don’t identify as such are not in the minority, they are just not vocal about it.

Actually it's the other way round, and the important Ika people identify as Igbo.

ChinenyeN:
Looking at some of those 'Ungua' names, I can say that I only recognize about 20% of them. The rest, I can postulate their pronunciation, because I recognize the sounds, but I've got no clue what the actual name is supposed to be.

There are a few Okolie's. It's crazy to think that there was an Okon in 1835 Havana.

ChinenyeN:
'Nike Onicha' (Nike Onicha people) maybe? (just a postulation).

I was thinking maybe it was a village in Onicha, or maybe it's a misunderstanding of Nike by way of Onicha, seeing as these were Africans with no knowledge of Spanish and Nike was a significant source for slave back then.

ChinenyeN:
Maybe 'Suamo' is (or 'is related to') Isuama. . maybe.

Yeah, Suamo is Isuama.

Abagworo:
Yes "Suamo" is Isuama and is a very awkward dialect of Igbo.I wonder why the early Igbo writers ever thought Isuama would be understood by other Igbos.Onitsha seems to be the most mutually intelligible Igbo to all Igbos.

I would say the dialects around Northern Abia are.

Actually, the Hausa are the richest Nigerians (by percent of their population) in the UK and they are the ones who support these shops the most. So it's Debenham's federal government is spending their money in.

You know those Abakua still speak Efik, although they used to speak a language they called 'Suamo'.

Getting paaaaaid!

Abagworo:
As for Cuba I have long discovered that some people labeled Okun and co actually bore Igbo names and named Igbo towns as their place of origin but the spellings were confusing.An example is "Oquelle" which is actually spelt Okwelle to day.

Obama
Egbedama
Onyeama
Ikpeama

and several other Ama names were common in Igbo.

Okun, isn't that Yoruba (or Yoruboid)?

In a different thread, people were telling A.Chigozie that her ancestors name is fake because Chigozie didn't exist before the 20th century.

Nigeria is cursed from the 60's. What's new?

Rossikk:
KnowAll said

Why do you want to see more of them in the next 50 years or whatever rubbish it is you wrote? Because they are Arabs?? It is people like you that sell out Africa everyday. Always valuing the light-skinned foreigner over your own fellow blacks.  Do you think they don't have black populations in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya etc? How many Iranians or Libyans do you see ''wishing the blacks will play more of a role in the next 50 years'' in their country??

Until blacks like you understand that you have no friends outside your own race, save those wishing to use, abuse, and dump you, you will continue to play second fiddle to other peoples.

I was wondering the same thing.

Eko Ile, shut up and go and lick arse on another thread, this is a thread about Amaechi, not Fashola. No one cares about your opinions any more which is probably why you're here looking for attention, because people are ignoring you. Envious troll.

[quote author=PROUD-IGBO link=topic=674756.msg8398469#msg8398469 date=1306425743]^^^ Cheers Ezeagu. Simply fascinating. The website you referenced seems to be even more comprehensive than the one i was refering to. LOL, did you see 'Obama' in the list of your number 43 post. You happen to know why they seem to link Kalabari with Igbo as place of origin of most of the Igbo slaves?

Imagine going today to places like Cuba and seeing a black there still bearing the Igbo surnames as they were mispelt in the manifest. You'd -in all likelyhood- be looking at the descendant of Igbo slaves; you could be looking at a blood brother.

Cuba will most definitely be my next holiday destination.[/quote]I think 'Calabari' is what the Spanish called the general Eastern Nigerian region, if these people were recaptured in Jamaica it would probably only read the town or 'Bight of Biafra'. I was surprised that many of these re-captives were in Cuba, and most of these people were men.

[quote author=PROUD-IGBO link=topic=674756.msg8398549#msg8398549 date=1306426394]Check out post 37: Inoh . I had to do a double take. Now i know that's not short for Innocent.[/quote]I thought it was short for Innocent for it as well, does anybody know what it means?

Igbokwe. And there hundreds more of Igbo names of re-captives.

The myth that the common 'chi' names of today never existed before the 20th century.

More names (Isuamo). Can anybody tell what "Nichonecha" can be where an Ndubisi is from on this list?

Umm? From "Isuamo".

People from Ngwa.

An Okafor from Onicha.

Other names (there are hundreds).

Okoroafor

From Aboh

Okereke

[quote author=PROUD-IGBO link=topic=674756.msg8396960#msg8396960 date=1306412236]This thread is enlightening. It's helped me with another thread i started last week on 'the origins of African slaves'.

In the search box of the site i referenced, i typed in some Igbo names i could think of but didn't get much results, not knowing that the names i searched for where too 'modern' like the ones with 'chi' in them. Surprisingly i saw Amara come up, but was wondering what an Amarachi was doing in Lagos in the early 17th century, as the slave ship left from there.

I should have searched for those names that carry the true essence of what it is to be Igbo. You know: names like Jideofor or Ofodille (typical Onitsha names i might add ), but for some strange reason, the only ancient Igbo names i could think of at the time were Okonkwo and Ikemefuna . Silly me.

I've searched with some of the names listed on this thread and got results come up, with the slave ships leaving from Bonny, so it all makes sense.  I saw one 'Odeque' (i'm guessing that's Odekwe) that was on a slave ship that left from Bonny and the slaves were released in Havana-Cuba: the poor boy was only 10 years old .

Thanks to all that've contributed.[/quote]Are you talking about the slave voyages website? I've found many Igbo people on there, it even mentions 'Aba', 'Bonny' and 'Ungua'!

http://www.slavevoyages.org/tast/index.faces

'emeka' and 'amaka' are chi names.

ChinenyeN:
Weak argument, Obiagu. Europeans called ALL of the southeast 'Eboe', regardless of what they actually were. So you can't say that they got that name from the locals, unless you are now asserting that ALL of SE is actually 'Eboe'. Even more so, when traditions were finally collected, the people of Bonny said 'Ngwa'. The identity across 'Igbo' was not all the same (i.e. was not all 'Igbo').

Not all of the east was labelled under 'Eboe' by Europeans. Among the different groups they identified were the Jaws, Calabaries, Mokos, Brass and Bonny, then there were individual towns. Onicha was known as 'Eboe Town' for a while.

Who did the people of Bonny say 'Ngwa' to? Was this the first time explaining their identity?

ChinenyeN:
Ezeagu, are you sure we're talking about the same people, when we say Riverine? In fact, I'll just show what it seems like to me.

In terms of cultural, these are the general divisions as I understand them.
*excuse me if I'm missing some names, I don't know every group*
The South
---- Uratta, Ngwa, Ikwere, Echee, Ndoki, Asa, Most of Mbaise and Umuahia groups
Riverine
---- Oru, Orsu, Ugwuta, Njaba, Abo/Ndoni, Ekpeye, Ogba
The West
---- Ika, Agbor, Asaba, Ogwashi, etc.
The North
---- Nri/Oka, Okigwe, Isu, Enugwu, Nsukka, Udi, etc.
The East [Cross River]
---- Ohafia, Aro, Abam, Bende, Abiriba, etc.
The Northeast
---- Izii, Ezaa, Ikwo, Ngbo etc.

*I stand to be corrected though, since I don't know every group, but until then, this approximation, in terms of culture makes sense to me

The Cross River Igbo in your list isn't really Cross River to me, such as Ohafia and Bende and except Abiriba, those groups are strongly linked to groups in what is your 'south' is, especially Umuahia and even Mbaise. The real Cross River would be around the north east area in towns like Afikpo, Abiriba, etc, all those towns, because they aren't just people who have adopted some Cross River culture but they are rooted into it. I agree with your breakdown on the Riverine Igbo.

ChinenyeN:
Would you mind explaining how the 'clan' understanding is not that simple?

It's not as simple as "independent ethnic communities" when there's so much interconnectedness in Igboland, and also, these 'ethnic communities' can be broken down into even more ethnic communities because most Igbo groups are made up of many different village groups.

Any of these names the names of your ancestors?

ChinenyeN:
. . . while the 'Igbo' have forever been independent ethnic communities (what nationalistic 'Igbo' so love to call 'clans').

It's not that simple.