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[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248804#msg8248804 date=1304391022]Of course they run anything in the misdemeanor sector while Other prosperous groups rule everything in the non-Misd sector.

Sadly, for the illegal money the Igbos get internationally, they use them to build up Lagos, a Yoruba state. When y'all get caught, our state is still being developed from the money you illegally( and legally) earned.[/quote]Okay some trading and propety whatever is run by some other groups, but manufacturing? The informal sector? Nollywood, the second biggest employer in Nigeria (although Ndi Yoruba started it)? Igbo.

As for building up Lagos state, why wouldn't anyone build up their native land? You don't know anything about Igbo people, where do you think all your Igbo friends go to in the village for Christmas? Their village mansion. Igbo men save up and work just to build a mansion in their village, so you can say they're building up their villages with Lagos money. Just check Google maps of Igboland, every square kilometer has a mansion.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248847#msg8248847 date=1304391638]In less than 10 minutes. My post must hve really forced some ppl to vote with their multiple IDs. ROTFLMAO!! Sensitive morafcuxxers.[/quote]As if 27 people voted. . . . [size=2pt]xyzstranger[/size]. . . . .

The writer was referring to the early 20th century when Ohafia workers when a song referring to Port Harcourt as 'Ugwu Ocha' was sung. It wasn't from here I got 'ugwu ocha' as I said earlier, but from a source in the 70's.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248790#msg8248790 date=1304390675]Ofcourse they outnumber. We can see the result in China, Japan, Korea and everywhere they're in.
What's the point of numbers without any usefulness. They also outnumber Africans in India and vietnam, and we know what goes on in there. Drug arrest everyday.[/quote]Yes, Igbo people run everything from the drug trade in Nigeria to the sandals Nigerian women wear to market, everything except head hunting and selling human parts, some other region has monopoly on that. They run everything. Everyone else just consumes. Don't forget your post when you hear the Japanese and Indians are learning Igbo.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248759#msg8248759 date=1304390166]Yes, that's why hundrends of Igbos leave Igboland daily to Yoruba states/ Northern State for a better living. Becuase of the good road, transport network an clean city in the SE.[/quote]That's also why the Igbo outnumber Africans in China, Japan, Korea . . . . Outnumber Nigerians in Gabon, South Africa, Congo. . . . They're everywhere, it just happens that they will also be in large numbers in areas close to them. The Federal government counted 29 million people in the south west states including Lagos and 25 million in the 5 south east states excluding Delta and Rivers in 2006, that's after they said there was 500,000 people in bustling Onicha. Wallow, wallow, wallow in your ignorance.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248733#msg8248733 date=1304389746]In Igboland, building a round about with a 4 year budget is the biggest success.[/quote]Yes oh, as well as a good road system, transport network, and clean city. Wallow, wallow, wallow in your ignorance.

seanet02:
Look at this one, Ode buruku, So village roundabout is all you get to post to this type of discussion, won't blame you though, cos ibos no get functional brains.

Should I post more. It will only cause you to act more of a fool.

Sorry is it these pictures that are still paining some people?

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. . . kids.

ChinenyeN:
Hmm. . . who was the historian, because I don't know of anyone who ever called it 'Ugwu ocha'. If someone is actually suggesting 'Ugwu ocha', then I would think that it may be some relatively recent [re]interpretation/conclusion. Things like that happen all the time. Just like how some Ijo people see Alagbariye (which they don't have a meaning for; or if they do, they aren't saying), and are now only recently calling it Alagbarigha or Alagbagbarigha (meaning 'gun does not miss'). Anyway, I can't say that I really know though, because I never heard of 'Ugwu ocha' until I read it here on NL. Just like how I also never heard of 'Igwe ocha' until I read it here on NL.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hHTE0UWRdLQC&pg=PA75&dq=port+harcourt+ugwu&hl=en&ei=tk2_TZilAoup8AO2woXeBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=port%20harcourt%20ugwu&f=false

I didn't get it from here, but Ohafia is said to have called it Ugwu Ocha, although the writer says its the 'hill of the white men'. Abagworo must be correct about Igwu being hill in the Ikwere dialect.

[quote author=nwaigbo_mg link=topic=658043.msg8247290#msg8247290 date=1304366720]another town similar in meaning is ikwerre (ikwere) which means "do u agree?" that's the reason why ikwerres have not "agreed"[/quote] Is Ikwere a town?

Umuahia
I'm not sure where this name comes from, but it is a recent name for a recently urbanised town which simply means 'children of the market'.

Onicha [Aw-nih-cha]

Various meanings have been ascribed to the term Onicha: Anị-ọcha, ('the fair [lit. white] land;') Onini-, Ọnịsịlị-ncha, (too headstrong [to be disciplined]), (too disdainful [of others]);17" Ọnịsịlị-ncha, (too headstrong [to be disciplined]), (too disdainful [of others]);17" Ọnyịsịlị-ncha, (too much, too strong [for everyone]).

Traditional humane living among the Igbo, C. C. Ifemesia.

What does Iguocha mean?

ChinenyeN:
Who says 'ugwu ocha'?

That's what a historian noted it as, I don't know if anyone still calls it Ugwu Ocha.

Andre Uweh:
ISINWEKE---The final resting place of the head (isi) of Nweke. Isinweke is the capital of Ihitte/Uboma L.G.A (Etiti), Imo state.

Who is Nweke?

Some Igbo town names have been corrupted, and some have even been changed completely because of colonialsm. Some of the meanings of town names are harder to interpret because of this. Some Igbo towns are spelt like nothing they are pronounced because of the colonisers tongue (Onitsha, Owerri, etc), yet the natives of these towns see no reason to change this. Anyway, to help with the proper pronunciation of Igbo town names, post some of their origins, even if they are not of Igbo origin.

Owerri
'Owerri' is 'Owere'. I'm not sure of this town name, but I think it either means 'free, liberty' or 'outside quarters'.

Ogwashi-Ukwu
The origin of this name is with the Nshi (Nri) people who founded this town. The name has been slightly corrupted. It is actually 'Ogwa Nshi Ukwu', meaning 'the great Nri palace' in Igbo.

Agbor
Agbor is from Agbon which is the Bini name for land.

Enugu
Enugwu means 'hill top' (Enu Ugwu) because of the hills of Ngwo, which the original village of Enugwu was part of.

Aguleri
Aguleri is from the descendant of Eri, Agulu Eri of the Nri-Igbo.

Port Harcourt
Port Harcourt was named after Viscount Lewis Harcourt by Frederick Lugard, the town was renamed from what Lugard noted as 'Iguocha' which is 'Ugwu Ocha', 'white cliffs'. The sad thing is that Harcourt killed himself after it was found that he molested boys. If there was one town needing a name change, it's this one.

Igbuzor
For some reason, Igbuzor is still being spelt Ibusa, making it the most corrupted town name in Igbo land. Igbuzor is 'Igbo bi na uzor', the 'Igbo on the road, or roadside'.

Sultan of Sokoto > The rest.

Andre Uweh:
Kudos to Kwarans. Irrespective of the fact that Kwara is a melting point of different ethnic groups, yet they do not engage each other in barbaric fights as witnessed recently in Plateau state.
Kudos to Nupes, Fulanis, Offas, Ilorins etc.

But would that be the case if the Fulani had no power?

Naija - Niger, it's not hard.

The English are mostly Anglo Saxon, that tribe of Boadicea is Celtic. Even the name English is from Anglisc which is from the Anglo Saxon Germanic tribe that invaded Britain hundreds of years after Boadicea. The Welsh are still Celtic so that's why they will be more related.

They weren't known as English then oh, they weren't even Anglo Saxon which means that she would be more related to the Welsh.

Seun:
Why do women always have to be victims? Why can't they be heroes or villains sometimes?

Do you mean in stories by men, or do you mean women in general?

Kobojunkie:
um . . . . I am going to still say the above is based on assumption still. Many believe Obama's comeback came when he changed his approach to campaiging and decided to to focus on his campaign for Change. I remember quite well that the first time he came out, the other groups were more accepting of him than those in the black community. I remember well an interview where Jesse James own son denied Obama the right to claim he is a black man.

What are you saying that's different?

Kobojunkie:
Random? We were discussing Jonathan and Obama -- Why would you consider the claims random when they were in reference to the men were were discussing.

Anywho, there is really no point going on on that. Elections are over now and the security situation in all regions of the country remain the same. So, no one group can claim to be better than the other in that wise.

It's random because you weren't asked to tell everything you knew about Obama's campaign. Or else you were obviously making a point that you later back tracked on, because you even thought I was using the comparison as an "excuse", which is why you brought up the measuring of capabilities of Obama and Jonathan in the first place, to rubbish the "excuse".

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About Igbuzo (Ibusa) people

Igbuzo is a city in Delta State, south-south, Nigeria with an estimated population of 452,300 people in 2007. The Ianguage of the people is referred to as Enuani. The community forming the process of Igbuzo can be linked to the first wave of the movement of Igbo migrants into the West Bank of River Niger, this adventure which took place in the 15th century resulted in the settlement of Ibusa people led by Edini from Nshi (Nri) The second of the two waves of the migrations that resulted in the formation of Ibusa was led by Umejei from Isu.
Pre-colonial history

Pre-colonial history of Ibusa indicates that the name Ibuzor is more precisely accurate as regards to the location of the town 6 kilometers west of the Niger River than the view which holds that the pre-colonial name of Ibusa originated from the whimsical view that the initial settlers are Igbos who live by the road side.

Igbo historians such as Emeka Esogbue (of Ibusa origin) and C. N. Ugochukwu (Nnewi origin) share the opinion that groups who left Benin with Ezechima and journeyed Eastward might have settled in Ibusa considering the geographical location of the town. The implication of this therefore is that this new set of settlers could have been sick or generally lacking in interest in furthering their journey, this could also have resulted in their final settlement in not too distant Onitsha. This new group of settlers in Ibusa might have become assimilated by the Umejei and Edini groups.

Oral history
Ibusa is a federation of two units known as “the Umejei and Ogboli Factors. According to the oral history of the town, Umejei Nwa Eze Isu (Prince Umejei of Isu) at Isu in the South-Eastern region of Nigeria killed his opponent in a traditional wrestling bout, an act considered “Alu” (Abomination) in the land and punishable by death. However, his death was commuted by his father who was also Eze Isu) the king of Isu and he was encouraged to go on exile with a gourd prepared and given to him by his father. Umejei was emphatically instructed to settle wherever the pot dropped, he thus set-off with friends, relations and symapathizers who accompanied him. The gourd however dropped at the present site of Ani-Oshe in Omeze (Umueze) where he founded Ibusa.

The Ogboli factor has it that at Nshi (Nri) Odaigbo slept with one of his father’s wives but rather than face the mandatory death sentence Eze Nshi commuted the death sentence to exile. His father, mother and younger brother, Edini voluntarily opted to accompany him. Odaigbo and Edini were given one pot each and charms by Eze Nshi with the instruction to settle wherever the pot fell and on crossing the River Niger, Edini’s pot fell at Ani-Oshe (Umueze) the present site of Ibusa while he founded Ibusa. Odaigbo’s pot was to fall at the present site of Ogwashi-Uku where he also settled. The groups (Umejei and Edini later became one and known as Ibusa) The Ogboli of Ibusa are thus regarded as part of the larger Nri (Nshi) community.

The Igbo and Anioma people of Delta state, regard and praise Ibusa as group of people who often refuse food in other to prosecute wars (Isu (Igbuzo) fu ogu ju nni). This statement authenticates the bravery of these people in wars. Igbuzo historians are currently conducting researches on the history of wars fought by the Igbuzo people especially in the homes of their Isu kiths and kin in Nnewi, present Anambra State.

"Ibusa" is an Anglicisation of "Igbuzo" and/or Ibuzo by the early British missionaries and visitors to the town as a result of difficulty in pronunciation. The Anglicization of the name of the town may have been effected in the 19th century following the Ekwumekwu Wars that the community led. The "Ibusa" was considered more distinctive by the British thus adopted as the official name of the town and made to appear in all the official documents of the colonial government. The name "Igbuzo" (Igbo bi na uzor) meaning the Igbo living along the way or road is however the native name of the town as used today.

The nickname of the town is however "Isu Na Mba Ogu" (Warriors from Isu) or colloqually Igbuzo-Isu (The Igbo-uzo(r) from Isu). Ibusa is uniquely addressed with different names and even made noticeable with different spellings such as Ibusa, Igbuzo, Igbouzo, Igbuzor, Ibuzor, Ibuza and Ibuzo. This is believed to have been necessitated by the strategic location of the town along the busy roads and the history of the settlement of the people.

http://www.ibusa-usa.net/about-us.php

Kobojunkie:
I am not sure of the claim above. So you are suggesting that African Americans decided to vote for Obama largely because other groups were interested in him??

There was no hype from African Americans when Barack Obama talked about his presidential ambitions in 2007, he even went to Kenya and was still unknown among the African American community. If Jesse Jackson had a safer image for white Americans and made it as far as Barack Obama did in a major party, there would have been a hype as well, which there was a little anyway.

Kobojunkie:
I am just stating what I know of the two situations.

Randomly. Okay.

Kobojunkie:
Again, saying something does not make it fact, you know that, right? I do know much about the SE, and recent news from states like Anambra on Massob go far to bolster my side of this.

What news?

Kobojunkie:
Again, you cannot just make stuff up just because you think it should be one way. I already addressed the fact that before Obama, there were numerous other presidential candidates and even they could not get that many votes from the same Black community. The whole rationale that Blacks only voted for Obama cause of his skin color is still being debated to this day. Yes, some would like to believe that to be fact but if you again, go back in history, you find that other black candidates have not been so lucky.

And if you pay attention to similarities, you would see that Barack Obama's support from other communities in America made the African American community more confident in supporting him.

Kobojunkie:
I said NONE OF THE THINGS YOU CLAIM THAT I DID. ABSOLUTELY NONE!!! So, it is hard to respond to much of what you have above.

I simply posited that Nigerians experienced Jonathan at the National level, and at the State level before going out to vote for him this past week. African Americans community did not get that view of Obama . . . He was a senator from illinois for about a year and much of the votes that got him to the senate were from one major area, chicago which is less than 1/20th the size of Illinois. Jonathan on the other hand ruled a whole state, and then the whole country and so people had real judgements to make of his abilities from that . This is all I have stated to this point. Any extra stuff you insert is all you, and not me!

So what is the point of saying all that if not to say that it was okay for African Americans to vote for Obama?

Kobojunkie:
All this na tory you dey tell me here!!! PS. Massob is not popular in the SEast either and there view is not held by the majority.

Then you don't really know anything about south eastern Nigeria or haven't been there in a while.

Kobojunkie:
There are barely any similarities! Apart from Jonathan being from a minority group, there is actually nothing else.

You mentioned Jonathan being elected because of ethnic reasons, why did the majority of African Americans come out in record numbers to vote for Obama? Because he looks nice? Why can't you understand someone picking a single similarity from two different situations, especially when that similarity is one of the most important if not the most in those situations?

Kobojunkie:
Nope!!! That actually would be what you would need to do since it was your post that was not making sense to the debate or the context.

It doesn't make sense when you say that African Americans didn't have experience of Obama therefore it was okay that they voted for him anyway, even when there were other candidates, who were not African American, but were experienced.

Kobojunkie:
Well, you just proved your own statement wrong then!!! You claimed the majority had given up on Nigeria but now you admit they actually voted at the National for the candidate they wanted meaning they had not given up as you claimed.

Or maybe you just didn't read the post before the last. Giving up on a country doesn't mean you won't look for ways to survive in it or that you've given up on your life. What I would give as an example of still believing in a country was if the energy and attention that is directed to MASSOB in the south east was dedicated to some sort of save Nigeria group, but it's not. You may have given up on saving a jungle, you may want to get out of the jungle, but does that mean you will let yourself be eaten by lions?

Kobojunkie:
Not true. . . when you make comparions, you line up the similarities and the differences. There are so many more differences than similarities, no matter which way you want to dice it, that you cannot reasonably claim Jonathan an Obama. Again, I already stated some of the glaring differences.

You can pick out differences in any comparison, that's why it's a comparison. . . . just because there are more differences doesn't make the similarities the person is pointing out a difference.

Kobojunkie:
I have no clue what you are going on. PS. Obama is not the first Black man who has attempted to run for the presidency. From what I remember, that man did not get the black votes in much the same way Obama did.

Maybe you should have thought your argument out better. That would have helped you get a clue.

Kobojunkie:
There were at least 16 candidates on the Ballot  --- trust me, SEasterners had a lot of other options on the ballot, even candidates from the SE where on that list as well.

That some persons compared Jonathan to Barack Obama does not mean they were right/reasonable in attempting that. For one, we already spent at least 10 months figuring out Jonathan's leadership capacity at the National level, and the previous 11 years measuring his ability as a leader-- something Black Americans were not really able to do with Barack Obama. So, the comparison makes little sense and should not be used as reasonable excuse for why the SEast should have voted Jonathan as opposed to many the 3 other Eastern Candidates on the same list on that day. We are talking here of the "EDUCATED" region here, or are we not?

Goodluck Jonathan was already in presidency and had a high chance of winning. The other regions of Nigeria also voted in Goodluck, if the south east supports another candidate it doesn't make a difference, so they obviously voted who would realistically win to them. The comparison of Barack Obama doesn't make sense to you because you don't want it too. There were several candidates that were tried and tested in the state level, there were candidates who had better plans for America. There was Cynthia Mckinney, etc who were African American. Even if Barack Obama was a senator or a vice president, the United States is not Nigeria so his failure wouldn't be as big as looting the whole state for 4 years, even if he did, please don't tell me African Americans still wouldn't vote for him with the campaign he had. And which of those other south eastern candidates were tested as well?

Kobojunkie:
Given we just had a National election that South Easterners essentially helped hand back to the same PDP many of the political goons in the same SE have relied on in the last 12 years, I think not(to the statement in bold there)!

Who will they vote for instead, Buhari? Somebody already compared Goodluck Jonathan and the South east/south to Barack Obama, most African Americans did not even know what Obama stood for, but they came out in record numbers to vote for him because they thought one of their own would obviously make their situation better in a country where they have been at the bottom for so long. The comparison is with the east, obviously the easterners are still in a Nigeria so they will vote for one of their own to have a higher chance of having someone to make situations for them easier. Or the south easterners have suddenly started loving Nigeria?

Sometimes it's good to appear 'professional' and 'thoughtful' when handling delicate situations like this, but when it comes to the point where no one is coming up with the answers to securing people in the north and are just endlessly moaning, you just have to scrap that and tell Christians/Southerners to stop going north.

Kobojunkie:
Hello . . .  that was more than half a century ago. Why are you not standing up for YOURSELF(not pretending others have to stand by force with you) NOW? Why is Ibo Land in the hands of thief and deceivers as local politicians?

Most south easterners have given up on Nigeria, that is why groups like MASSOB are growing with their non-violent struggle. That is not an excuse for why Igbo land has been locked by thieves, the real reason is with the same thieves who have been empowered by the people put into power over ruling this country. These gang leaders have made their states into their own houses which has also corrupted the lower level government. The problem is that in the south east and in Africa in general, there is no leader that has come up to inspire and lead the people. If some of these so called Igbo leaders were to inspire people, most of the wrong that happens in the south east will not be happening.

What I blame is the Nigerian system and the failure of Igbo people to pick one good leader, along with clanishness.

Kobojunkie:
You should spend some time thinking exactly how SNC will secure the people -- farmers, businesses, individuals, students, NYSC members, etc. How will convening an SNC provide a solution to the security issues that exist in the north, and south?

All that will do is accomplish NOTHING if the major issue of security is not tackled once and for all. Even in countries like the U.S.A, all the different groups who live here do not necessarily see eye to eye or love each other but the mere fact that security is NO JOKE at the local, stat, and National levels, FORCES individuals to curb their appetites for blood. That is why the KKK still exists even as the black population continues to explode. We have Jews all over the place even as the Nazi party also exists in the same communities and country.

We need to stop picking on the foolish issues and start focusing on the major solutions. Have we not wasted enough time in thinking that dividing the country will make things change? Isn't it time for common sense solutions that have been tried and tested in other worlds to be the focus? Haba!!

How do you suggest that the security of the north is restored (maintained)?

Whether you have this discussion or not is none of my business, but I will always butt-in. Bye!!!

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=651724.msg8232147#msg8232147 date=1304132084]I can see that you have a lot of time on your hands today[/quote]And guess who we're talking about, who we're spending time on?


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[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=651724.msg8232141#msg8232141 date=1304131958]^ thanks for making my point.[/quote]That you don't know what you're talking bout'?