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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8272611#msg8272611 date=1304717437]I dunno what the answer to these questions are. It is sort of hard to say.[/quote]It's hard to say, but you know there's massive emigration some how, enough to take away enough jobs somehow?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8272611#msg8272611 date=1304717437]Eh, I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. One zone sees massive emigration out of it. All I'm saying is that that zone should have lower unemployment rates.[/quote]So in 2006 there were around 24 million people living in Abia, Anambra, Ebonyi, Enugu and Imo according to the Federal Government, if you want to say that there's massive emigration, then how many are you saying are in the south west? You've got yourself in a hole here. Either south eastern migration has nothing to do with poverty rates, or the whole of the south west is at least 10% native south eastern. Besides that, the population gap between the south east and south west isn't much, even when putting the Lagos population as high as 20 million. On top of that, considering the population densities shown on that map (which shows that the south east was underestimated in the census which says that Abia and Ekiti have the same number of people), your point still doesn't explain the difference in poverty rates.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8272611#msg8272611 date=1304717437]Finally, can you post a table of poverty rates via state?[/quote]By regions:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-371485.0.html

2004:
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:wgJfRD3S_0QJ:www.oerafrica.org/ResourceDownload.aspx?assetid%3D969%26userid%3D-1+poverty+rate+nigeria+south+east+south+west+north+west&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgMqrnvyzigPMw7ADJUAAX9UBCi9Mis6NmqhlNFCX96QXgaQ9GxeFjj4EtXhx3yDI0puOMh7Py8Duz1yy6inJvQuMchj1Yq4uyfnVXtPtrKlRx2yhXSMD4XxUcclS7WUg89Rf3Z&sig=AHIEtbRRm-XXz0Vf9-3sPoBMW2yrZfFsnQ&pli=1

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8267757#msg8267757 date=1304652413]1. Can you find and post a list of poverty rates by state? So we can see and compare?
2. Also, to me, unemployment (and underemployment) is intimately tied to poverty. . .  no work, then no pay, and thus poor. If this is true, then hopefully you can see how mass emigration out of the SE helps keep poverty rates lower there.
Well, I think I can make a pretty good case for Lagos State's pop being undercounted. # of banks, this US ambassador's report claiming that Lagos is the most populous state, GDP data (if Lagos and Kano had roughly the same population as the 2006 official census suggests, then why is Lagos's GDP 20%+ of Nigeria's GDP, while Kano's is like 3 or 4%?), and even this parallel census that Lagos did at the time. Not to mention UN population projections. . .

Like, it is pretty, pretty obvious at this point that Lagos is (A) by far the most populated state in Nigeria (B) Probably north of 15-18 million people.

I'm not saying that one cannot make a similarly good argument for the SE zone being undercounted. But. . . you've not done that. Instead you ask me to take you at your word, without providing any evidence. Truth be told, given that the SE zone sees the largest amount of emigration of any zone in Nigeria, it doesn't make any sense to assume that what you hold says true (at least, w/o some sort of evidence.)[/quote][center][img]http://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/kK8EYlHqTXNzsfkkg6jaTd.PNG[/img][/center]

In short forget the map above. Okay, so South western Nigeria has around 35 million people according to you and the south east stays at 24 million, I agree. Now, what is the percentage of south eastern Nigerians in the south west? Specifically, what is the population of south eastern Nigerians in south western states outside Lagos. And if less people in an area makes the areas poverty rate drop, why don't areas in Nigeria with lesser populations have a low poverty rate as well?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8267170#msg8267170 date=1304637311]^-- Thought experiment for you.

Suppose all non-indigenes in the SW were rounded up and deported to their homelands.

Does this:
a) Increase
b) Decrease
c) Have no effect on

the unemployment rates in the SW?

(Keep in mind that if many are forced to leave like that, those who remain will fill in the economic niches remaining. In other words, the answer is B).[/quote]The truth is that the poverty rate in the south east is lower than the south west not because of unemployment, otherwise many people in Nigeria would starve to death, but because more people are taking advantage of skills there, maybe because of the culture.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8267170#msg8267170 date=1304637311]And regarding population of the SE zone being massively under-counted during the census; like I said, I don't know if this is true. And am not sure it makes any sense to simply assume it to be true just because you think so.[/quote]Where is it official that the Lagos State population was under counted? Or was it also a case of people thinking so?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8267119#msg8267119 date=1304636313]If you say so; I dunno if this is true or not.[/quote]That's what the internet is here for.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8267119#msg8267119 date=1304636313]If you say so; I dunno if this is true or not.
Right. But certainly more than any other ethnic group in Nigeria, more have left their homeland.
So the principle here is pretty easy. Immigration from location A to location B increases the # of people relative to the number of jobs in location B, increasing unemployment in location B. For the same reason, it reduces unemployment in location A.[/quote]So what is the percentage of native south easterners in the south west? The only way you could come to these conclusions is if you worked that out, and if the answer was over 20% of the south west population. That's the only way there's enough south easterners in the south west to increase unemployment and increase poverty. At the same time, the amount of people in the rural areas (working on the farm) would be less than those in urban areas because the poverty is coming from unemployment in western jobs, unless the unemployment includes menial farm work as well. Also, did you work out the percentage of south easterners that are in the informal sector and did you check how many of these informal jobs have been taken away from native south westerners and how many of them are imported usually by south easterners (e.g spare parts)?

Justcash:
“But we are on top of the situation. Security agencies are on the ground this time around.”

Nonsense. The Nigerian military have never, and repeat, have never saved Nigerians in Nigeria from anything that does not concern the politics of the ruling leaders.

[center][size=28pt]Thousands have died for decades, and they're only on top of the situation now.[/size][/center]

These are the states were terrorist groups are active. These are the states the United States should implement and immediate crackdown on.

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Please, the United States should come, some of these extremists are aided by the military, some Christians were murdered for nothing and the government didn't even release a proper statement. The Nigerian government is useless. Nigeria is the perfect training ground for extremists, it is another Libya or Yemen in the making.

The Nigerian government is worthless. The united states should invade the whole of Northern Nigeria or they will regret it later. Someone tell Obama.

Where is the USA, the Al'Qaeda are active in Northern Nigeria. This isn't even a protest avenging an Islamic leader any more, it's the biggest Islamic terrorist in history.

Where is America, go and occupy that side.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8267028#msg8267028 date=1304634428]I don't know off the top of my head. You tell me. But we both know the SW zone is far more populated than the SE zone, even if the official statistics suggest the gap isn't huge. For example, 2006 #s had Lagos State population at roughly 9 miillion. When most believe it to be be 15-18+ million.

So you tell me which zone in Nigeria is the most populated, and which gets the most immigration.[/quote]They were merciful to Lagos in the "census". Eastern towns were underestimated as strongly and the South Eastern states still came to around 24 million while the south western states including Lagos were around 29 million. The point is that the majority of south east natives are not out of their homelands and the population (even underestimated) isn't low enough to be blamed for the low (or lower) poverty rates.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8267028#msg8267028 date=1304634428]It depends on the cost. If it turns out that you can only bring 20 containers on a river boat to Onitsha, and say 200 on a sea ship to Lagos, and a shipper only pays 2X as much to bring in 10X as much goods into Lagos, then the economics might not work out in favor of the Onitsha port. Anyway, we shall see.

My intuition tells me that something like is what is going on.[/quote]Why would it cost so much just to come up the Niger, something which has been done by steamers since the 19th century oil palm trade. River Niger is a mile wide, some sections of it leading to Onicha are around half that which means there's no problem getting the largest ship in existence to Onicha and further. Port Harcourt, for example, isn't even on the coast, yet large oil ships make their travels up the Bonny river which is half of the smallest section of the Niger.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8261658#msg8261658 date=1304562333]This is probably just a function of immigration. Easy to have low poverty rates if all your people leave.[/quote]How many people did the Federal Government count in the south west states and the south east states in 2006?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=660082.msg8266929#msg8266929 date=1304632804]I don't see any movement towards developing a seaport, though. All i hear is about riverports being developed in the SS and SE.

So I'm not concerned. . . they won't be able to compete, most likely.[/quote]So if importers tell the ships to come to Onicha they'll go to Lagos instead like a steamer going to New York because it doesn't want to travel to St. Louis?

mbulela:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=655601.msg8226635#msg8226635

even Ameachi said on Thisday the other day that their is no completion date in sight as their is cash crunch as it concerns the project.
it is like 25% complete so far.

Are you guys marching naked yet?

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=658043.msg8261257#msg8261257 date=1304553480]I think its a case of superiority complex. I've really thought about why they could pronounce "sophisticated" Chinese, Japanese, German and French words and I guess its cos they really never conquered those people to the extent of stripping them of some of their cultural aspects unlike a place like India in which they conquered and renamed some of the "difficultly pronounced words" to words they could pronounce without any extra vocal effort. E.g, they renamed "Mumbai" to "Bombay". It was only changed by Indian authorities as recently as 1995 to its original name; "Mumbai".[/quote]They can't pronounce it, the difference is that Chinese people won't carry on spelling Onicha 'Onitsha' 100 years after the white man has twisted the name. The names 'China' and 'Japan' are even corruptions of the native names or names from nearby kingdoms, the Japanese call their country 'Nihon' or 'Nippon' and their people are 'Nihongo'. The names are corrupted only because the native people see Western culture as superior to the point that some people will laugh at you if you spell 'Onitsha' as 'Onicha'.

Why don't some people just stay in the romance section?

Abeg, you ar hay winch.

don maselo:
Oduduwa na Igbo man and his name is a corruption on nzuzu uwa,derived from the igbo word onye nzuzu uwa meaning an of the world.he was a drunk and lier in Nri that was expelled by the oracle.he then went to a land that was silly enough to believe he was from heaven and was made a king. Also The name Benin is gotten from hausa word birnin gwari meaning land of gwari people because Benin people migrated from the gwari wild lands of niger state. .Igbo and hausa people are original decendant of homo erectus that roams wild in Africa millions of years mostly as food dinosaurs during the time of the gondowan supercontinent.

Would make a good. . . . . Nollywood film.

[center]https://www.famousquotesabout.com/quoteImage/107892/I_d-rather-die-like.jpg[/center]

Clap for yourself: kpam-kpam, kpam-kpam-kpam, kapm!!

The HIV/AIDS statistics go with the amount of women going for postnatal care which is why Abuja and Lagos look high compared to their surrounding states.

From all statistics, it clearly is good to be from the south east.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:jE8ARlMBfFIJ:www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/GF15/GF15.pdf+nigeria+demographic+and+health+survey+2008&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESg2IifzRa_OphNRbeu83SufBzyegbVpaAwTuXthe76v1Ughf5Nsb5aLU3xgw6wfszN-YNCyb2jGvlZxMLQU7ZkwfCkGlfsAWwVHZktLIicDDzDw-f1huUr-PJHX87DhRfeAA5P6&sig=AHIEtbRcfmVcM5q4RIcIwxNDj2gLOZYCzw

Eko Ile:
Sometimes I Wonder why ibo people rejoice over the silliest, petty and irrelevant things

When you're constantly happy, you know, getting the ego, the yen, the green. . . not sitting grumpy on nairaland. . . you know.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8249000#msg8249000 date=1304394572]What a loser, prolly thought that was his Igbo woman. She looks better than all the weave wearing ones out there.  She prolly smiled thinking, "Lol Igbo men will not die because of Yoruba women oh" [/quote]Haha, nwinye mu I love you, I love you,(whether Yoruba or Latvian) nwinye mu!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8249000#msg8249000 date=1304394572]While Lagos is building its Eko Atlantic which will prolly be ALSO developed with Igbo money  [/quote]I am really glad you said that.

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=658801.msg8248714#msg8248714 date=1304389303]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/world/11/nigeria_election_toggle_maps/img/nigeria_literacy_624.gif[/quote]Out of 7, 6 are Igbo.

[quote author=Mynd_44 link=topic=657917.msg8248950#msg8248950 date=1304393709]Actually the states leading in nuumber of students are Ondo and Ekiti.
And why do people still argue about who the most performing governor is it is Fashola of cause evidence? Lagosians are the most enlightened Voters in the country and one man could still have a landslide victory[/quote]Where did you get this information from?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248947#msg8248947 date=1304393664]Same crap.

Why does it hurt Igbos to know that Yoruba movies are still getting recognized, even without the modern world glam?

Anywaz, you made more sense when you were posting your roundabouts built with 4 year budget Even Fajuyi Park in Ekiti state looks better than that. Give Fayemi more years.[/quote][center]https://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/23030084.jpg[/center]

This is a park, the roundabout was a public road. And obviously, Igbo movies are bigger than Yoruba ones, quality aside. Some Yoruba movies are good though, but this is hilarious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AE1PTAfRms

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248951#msg8248951 date=1304393732]Yea, I love my Yoruba woman's smile. No African woman can look that good while bald  [/quote]She's smiling because he spoke Igbo to her. Very segzy language, it would land any girl a smile.

Classic. 4 million views!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYX_Ql-3U10[/flash][/center]

Nwinye mu I love you!!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248892#msg8248892 date=1304392589]Nollywood had credibility when the movies produced were mainly Yoruba movies. I see that more Yoruba producers are joining in now, this is what Nollywood needs. Even Music sang in Yoruba recieved international recognition (i.e Olori Oko)[/quote]I don't know any Yoruba movies of this credible time, and I don't know if the majority of Nigerians would. With Yoruba music, yeah, there are many good artists like, Lagbaja, Asa, Fela, but with songs like Ifunaya, even if you think P Square is funny, and with songs like African Queen, mega hit using Igbo words, people want to know the meaning of these words, Igbo is a language that's spreading to places that it wouldn't have even if it is word by word. This is not even talking of Nollywood films, where the most internationally known are the (Igbotic) comedy films such as Mr Ibu, Osuofia, etc.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248892#msg8248892 date=1304392589]Why not now?  Arent the Igbos the one crying about getting killed in the North? Aren't the Igbos the ones running to SW states for peace and success? I understand why you wouldnt want Yoruba states (where most of Nigeria's students originated) to leave.[/quote]I said, why nooow, as in, why? *Arise o compatriots, Nigeria's call o . . . .*   I thought it was Imo and Delta that were leading the student numbers in Nigeria. Anything is possible on nairaland. And the Igbo don't need Yoruba states, we just need want have Lagos.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248892#msg8248892 date=1304392589]Through history, many people are not hyped enough. 4 more years of Fashola till he becomes Nigeria's president. 4 more years of Fashola will move ACN into SE lands.[/quote]ACN is not moving anywhere, who's voting for them? Anyway, you're right, some people are not hyped enough.

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[size=28pt]Chime!!!![/size][/center]

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248859#msg8248859 date=1304391926]Nollywood is already losing its credibility national and internationally, read up on the news.

No problem with getting money illegally as long as it's being used to developed Yoruba states and the suspect being locked away after the development.  Run run to the SW, when Nigeria breaks, still going to be developed no?

Don't let my post bother you much.


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In 4 years or more, Fayemi will be on that list. A cousin of mines that recently went home this december told me things are happening in Ekiti. The work of ACN  [/quote]When did Nollywood ever have credibility. Nollywood that is currently doing backflips. Abeg, the second biggest employer in Nigeria is Igbo ran and you're talking nonsense, or you don't watch Nollywood films?

Nigeria break? Whyyyy noooow. What will happen to Yoruba communities invested in Igboland as well, Port Harcourt, invested in the Niger Delta, Everyone loses. Not. Bothered.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=657917.msg8248870#msg8248870 date=1304392091]If that makes you feel a bit better, sure why not. Even tho other Nigerian Govs and even Obama commends Fashola's development of Lagos lol.[/quote]Throughout history, many people are hyped. I don't care about recognition, just as long as Chime and co are providing Igbo cities with nice, clean roundabouts.