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PhysicsMHD:
Here's a site with some really great Igbo-Ukwu images that you'd normally have to scan from books., as some of them aren't the ones most commonly shown:

http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/dbcourses/publicportfolio.cgi?view=428

You can also click on each image to get a larger view.

I posted some of the pictures here. There was another book called Igbo-Ukwu vol 1-2 that had some rare images as well.

[center]https://www.jemolo.com/alta/imgni22.jpg[/center]

The same ceremonial snail vessel.

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An Igbo house in the early 20th century.

[center][img]http://africa.si.edu/exhibits/inscribing/images/eduimages/ukaraLG.jpg[/img][/center]

Ukara wrapper, with nsibidi symbols dyed on with waxing.

[center]https://www.nacd.gov.ng/PICT0317.JPG

https://www.umuahiaibeku.com/IbekuIkoro.jpg[/center]

Igbo Ikoro slit drum, the most important Igbo instrument and also the most sacred.

[center][img]http://www.artvalue.com/image.aspx?PHOTO_ID=2457938[/img][/center]

A gourd of some kind.

[center]https://www.hamillgallery.com/IGBO/IgboObjects/IgboOfo0506.JPG

https://ocean-anaedo.org/images/IgboOfo0708.jpg[/center]

Ofo staff of authority (the last flat one looks like it has something moulded onto it which looks like nsibidi).

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https://hospitalitynigeria.com/states/enugu/BOWL%20ON%20ASTAND%20IGBO-UKWU%2010CENTURY.jpg


https://www.jemolo.com/alta/imgni23.jpg


https://www.jemolo.com/alta/imgni24.jpg[/center]

Ceremonial bronze bowl, Igbo-Ukwu, 9th century.

[center][img]http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/dbcourses/africa/medium/africa1_030.jpg[/img][/center]

Leopard pendant, Igbo-Ukwu, 9th century.

[center][img]http://www.artvalue.com/image.aspx?PHOTO_ID=2459241&width=500&height=500[/img][/center]

Ofo, ritual staffs of authority, bronze.

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Intricate bronze ceremonial pot, 9th century, Igbo-Ukwu.

[img]http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/dbcourses/africa/large/africa1_025.jpg[/img]

Glass beads, Igbo-Ukwu, 9th century.

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Clays(?) ceremonial pot, Igbo-Ukwu, 9th century.

[center]https://www.jemolo.com/alta/imgni16.jpg[/center]

Igbo-Ukwu ceremonial bowl, 9th Century, now in the museum of Lagos.

[center]https://www.camwood.org/Cole-1.jpg[/center]

Mbari house for housing the goddess Ala, the earth goddess, with some other deities. These buildings are most common to the Owerre Igbo.

[center][img]http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/dbcourses/africa/medium/africa1_033.jpg[/img][/center]

Top view of a staff, bronze, Igbo-Ukwu, 9th Century.

[center]https://www.jemolo.com/alta/imgni18.jpg[/center]

An Igbo-Ukwu (old time Ora-eri) bronze ceremonial vessel in the shape of a snail, 8—9th century. The technology was advanced enough to use leaded bronze.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130496#msg8130496 date=1302841682]Which ones are you referring to? The ones from the war, or. . . ?[/quote]The ones from the page you quoted.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130496#msg8130496 date=1302841682]Then you'd better correct all these historians who think it was founded in 1829. Clearly they are wrong, you are correct.[/quote]Like Enugu was founded by Europeans, even when a village by the same name was there before.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130496#msg8130496 date=1302841682]Jesu. So you have this huge city that is using 1829 designs. Poorly designed roads, no drainage, etc. . . because it was founded in the 19th century. Versus another one founded in the 20th century by white colonialists. So how does time exactly help in this situation? Time is effectively your enemy, when it comes to building a new city. If the US decides to build a new capital today in Illinois, don't you think it will be better designed/planned than their current one? It time going to make DC a nicer city than the fresh city built in the cornfields of Illinois?[/quote]Is this really the excuse for why Ibadan is not working, because it was a big city before? So how were the colonialists able to industrialise it?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130496#msg8130496 date=1302841682]You have a long task ahead of you, to convince the world. They seem to have the wrong idea.[/quote]The world knows that the town of Enugwu Ngwo had some of its land negotiated with by Europeans who, with the help of workers from surrounding Igbo towns expanded the village because of coal which attracted a large community of immigrants.

Someone's feelings are hurt. . . .

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130456#msg8130456 date=1302841090]1. Ibadan, much larger population.[/quote]Enugu had squatter camps.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130456#msg8130456 date=1302841090]2. Enugu founded by colonialists[/quote]Ibadan founded by colonialists

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130456#msg8130456 date=1302841090]3. Enugu founded much later.[/quote]Ibadan had much more time.

No excuses.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130456#msg8130456 date=1302841090]Even in the US or Europe, older cities/towns are much different from modern, new ones. Newer cities have wider roads, usually have a master plan, etc, etc.

Presumably the warlords who founded Ibadan in 1829 didn't have an architect to map out a master plan for 'em [/quote]Old cities like London or Rome? The war camp didn't have industrialisation till the British came, and I didn't know the British created Enugu landmark's like Michael Okpara square, or famous roads like Independence Avenue. As if Lagos and Badagry is not there.

Chai, someone's feelings are hurt. . . . .

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130429#msg8130429 date=1302840685]With all that said. . . urbanization in Yorubaland is no sign of superiority in any way, shape or form.

It is primarily due to some terrible wars we fought amongst each other. If we hadn't fought those wars, Ibadan wouldn't have been founded, population would have be more spread out, etc.

Main point of this is to correct some misconceptions. Ibadan isn't likely to be as pretty as Enugu, for several reasons already stated in this thread.[/quote]What are these reasons?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130368#msg8130368 date=1302839509]From that, you conclude that was not a city prior to 1893? It was just a "overgrown village"? Do you not see the difference between the phrases 'retained the structure of an overgrown village' and 'is a village'?[/quote]All I understand is "overgrown village" which is not attractive to anyone.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130359#msg8130359 date=1302839337]To you, was it not a city before the industrialization coming about due to colonization? It was a city/town/whatever-you-want-to-call it of 120k when the British found it. Did the British meet anything in Igboland of even 10k?

I'm not the one who wrote that Wikipedia page. I'm not the historians who have recorded the town as being founded by the Brits. Petition them, you don't need to beg me.[/quote]Okay, so the British building a city is not an excuse for not having working cities. Good. On Igboland's cities you can go and look up that as well.

"The population of Onitsha is estimated at not less than 13000."
http://books.google.com/books?id=MhcFAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA290#v=onepage&q&f=false

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130342#msg8130342 date=1302838993]Better yet, go on JSTOR[/quote]Better yet, Cambridge, which says:

Ibadan began its existence as a war-camp and has retained, to a large extent, the structure of an overgrown village.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130342#msg8130342 date=1302838993]Which city did the British build for us? You are claiming Ibadan was built by the British? Honestly dude. . . do some Googling.[/quote]I did, and I found out about its over grown village status and that industrialisation was started by the British, now what happened to that industrialisation that they did for Ibadan?

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130330#msg8130330 date=1302838818]What do you mean?[/quote]As in what happened to the city the British gave to you?

fstranger3:
Is that the new lingo for pick-pocketing?

Call it what you want, all I know is that easterners aren't known for begging.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130299#msg8130299 date=1302838283]I'm going to look deeply into the history of each one of them over the weekend, if I have some free time. Origins of Enugu have been made clear; will be interesting to find out who founded each of the others.

Anyway, don't get me wrong. .  .there is nothing wrong with inheriting something nice that someone else built. Just don't try to lord it over someone else.[/quote]What happened to industrial Ibadan?

Eko Ile:
To start with, I didn't say Lagos is void of slums, surfe there slums in lagos because you people came with your slums and ibo people live in lagos slums starting from Ajegunle to Alaba and orile,


You on the other hand claimed that you don't have slums in your towns and village. I was just calling your attention to your ignorant and silly claims.

Eh, I believe what I said was that if the east is a slum (as a poster said the whole of the east is a slum) then the rest of Nigeria is for rubbish. To make it clear, the east of Nigeria probably has the least slums. And people hustling in Alaba doesn't change the fact that eastern people are not known for begging.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130118#msg8130118 date=1302833953]Why are you wilfully misreading the article? It was founded in 1829, burned down in a fire sometime after that, was rebuilt. 60+ years later.

Here is what you quoted:
Did you even have an city/town in 1893 with a population of 10,000? Not to talk of 120,000? 1893 Ibadan was as populous as 1850 Philly. . .

Now, are you claiming that it didn't come into existence until 1893, when the British colonized it?

Contrast this with Enugu, where the white man bought some land from ya'll to build a city. And banished ya'll to the native side of town in the city he built  [/quote]Comapared it to Philadelphia. Who wants a city with

the structure of an overgrown village.

?

http://www.cambridge.org/gb/knowledge/isbn/item2427051/?site_locale=en_GB

That's just a bunch of people living closely, not a city.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130124#msg8130124 date=1302834084]Anyway, next time some Igbo man brags about the cities he inherited from whitey built, just remind him of the origin of those cities.[/quote]You mean Enugu from the Enugu Ngwo village group? Go and bring the history of the rest of the other cities. Anyway, this is today, and today the east has more working cities, whichever way you want to twist it or which which ever overgrown village you want to compare them to.

Look at all these old British names like Onitsha, Owerre, Aba, Arochukwu, Aboh, Ahaba.

Eko Ile:
I know you don't know the meaning of slum, but let me help you with something from your major cities back east,

Hahah. See somebody from Lagos picking pictures of rubbish. I'll spare the thread of Lagos horrors and Makoko wonders that we all saw on BBC.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=646145.msg8130095#msg8130095 date=1302833455]Ibadan was founded in 1829, bro. . .[/quote]Ibadan was burnt down, became a British colony and was industrialised in 1893, . . . . bro . . .