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Otu ha shi hafu 'i' mere ka ọ buru mid-tone, di ka madu na ju ajụjụ. He ti 'The Journey' na okpuru ya.

ChinenyeN:
Well, it would be my guess that back then, when the British were busy laying down that label, it was of no real consequence to those concerned. The label probably meant little to nothing to most people, back then, whereas now, whether or not someone chooses to wear it is of social or political consequence, one way or another. Basically, I'm just saying that I don't believe 'Igbo' people were all that concerned with this 'Igbo' identity topic back then. Now though, the mere mention of it (from both the orthodox & unorthodox camps) provokes argument discussion.

It was a concern when the Onicha bible was being used in all churches around the Igbo area which made the churches look to a standard Igbo. It was a concern when the Ijaw nationalists in the 1800 were beating up people who spoke Ijaw with an Igbo accent. I don't understand how it couldn't have been a concern when the Western Igbo towns at that time were receiving large military control because of the fear of Ekumeku spreading, the focus was on towns singled our because they were Igbo, nearby Edo, or Urhobo town weren't looked at. So this would mean that the native people were uniting against a force that were the ones who gave them something to unite over?

Ọ di onye huru poster nke fim nke ha na kpọ Ijè. Lema ya e lema, ọ di ihe he kweshiri gbanwe?

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Ihe ha na kpo 'accent' na élú 'e' kwèshiri bu 'Ijè', ọ bughi Ijé.

Nit pikin di ná áká!

ChinenyeN:
I guess, because back then, it really didn't make much of a practical difference, if any. Now though, it makes all the difference in the world. Oh, and I'm not talking particularly about Agbor people. I'm just saying, in general.

I don't understand.

Why are people still replying this robot? Anybody who has been to Agbor or knows Ika people know that they call themselves ndi Igbo. They don't even seem to realise or acknowledge the amount of Benin influence they have and just think it's an Ika thing. Or were the British trying to make the Igbo larger by adding Agbor to them? Why did the Agbor people not disagree with being called Igbo for over 40 years of colonisation?

sbeezy8:
@ post the only thing ive noticed about ibo women is many marry non ibo guys- yoruba hausa edos urhbos white etc.

That's because there are more of them remember, the same reason why they have an unfair advantage over others.

namfav:
yes igbos are the greatest ethnic group lol, they have dominated the fields of physics, maths, literature for centuries in africa no one can come close, igboland had a university that rivaled the university in timbuktu

It would serve you better to concentrate on highlighting your people.

ChinenyeN:
Yet, it is Europeans who defined ours for us. Anyway, conceptually and sociologically speaking, we're all talking about the same thing.

Europeans did not define most African ethnicities for the people. The presence of Europeans, along with exposure to the wider world may have brought some groups closer together but that's as far as it goes for most. If this is how Europeans defined these ethnicities, then Africans were the ones who defined what it is to be white in the United States and other countries. The only Africans I know that had their ethnicity defined for them are in the diaspora, and more specifically, 'Black' Americans and they agree that this is an ethnicity defined by Europeans.

An ethnic group is a social group. 'Ndi mba miri' is a description of ethnicity. if anything, ethnicity is more African, and nationality is more European until around a few hundred years ago. Infact, ethnicity is part of every human society.

Igbo children also achieve top grades in the UK among African/Black students where they are a minority. Igbo culture, or the family unit, may be the best, or maybe it's better to say the strongest in Nigeria.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=191038.msg8088729#msg8088729 date=1302370678]^^how does your question correspond with what i said?

europeans did not speak any african language and knew nothing about africa? [/quote]Okay, so ethnicity is not a European construct.

[quote author=tpiah! link=topic=191038.msg8087785#msg8087785 date=1302360945]ethnic groups are an european construct.[/quote]So Europeans made up the word 'Onyeboe' or 'Ndi mba miri'?

bokohalal:
The point is that of the major pre-colonial Nigerian polities. Benin kingdom did not participate.

That would have been understood if the person actually wrote that. What about major spheres of influences that were uninvolved with the trade? The person should have read harder.

PhysicsMHD:
but the Edo state remained unique among Nigerian polities in refusing to participate in the transatlantic trade.

How many Nigerian polities did this person research before writing this?

Nice promotion, you just gave that website a few more hits than it would have.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=635846.msg8051588#msg8051588 date=1301941571]Are you assuming all of PH would incorporated into Igboland? In any case. . .

distance between the two locations (PH and the sea) might be small, but the land is owned by another group.[/quote]That's mostly swampy mangrove that is slowly being added to the ocean, all the land has been taken over, why do you think people take speed boats to those small towns? Not all of Port Harcourt is Igboland, but most of it is, anyway the most important parts of it is.

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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=635846.msg8045847#msg8045847 date=1301875815]Regarding middle belt, what do you mean by "well"? What would drive economic growth there? Remember, you'd have lost substantial revenue in FG allocations (essentially oil money from the SS). How do you replace that revenue to even just maintain the status quo?[/quote][quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=635846.msg8045863#msg8045863 date=1301876099]I think Igboland would do pretty well if they can incorporate large parts of Rivers and somehow gain access to the sea (I guess see if you can get the ethnic groups of southern Rivers to join, or alternatively incorporate Akwa Ibom)?

Rivers has a sh1tload of oil. . . so would be a pretty nice territory to have. I dunno how it would be handled though.[/quote]The only thing between Port Harcourt and the sea is the Bonny River and mangroves. There are other natural resources that haven't been used that can easily replace and pass the allocations, plus a large part of the oil producing parts of Nigeria is Igboland anyway. Igboland has higher standard of living than most other places in Africa.

You can just judge how the Middle belt and Igboland would be from their position in Nigeria now. Which isn't too bad to say the least, and to add that a large part of the South south is Igboland.

ChinenyeN:
Yes, at least in that respect, but they're not that similar (even in that respect) that it becomes difficult to tell the them apart.

Oh yes, you can tell them apart, but you will also know that they are related somehow.

Igbo Palm wine music/High life

A lot of Engligbo in these

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Let me get some of the well known ones out of the way.

Igbo Gospel

I don't need to post too many of these because it's the most popular genre. The singers are usually females with high pitched voices. If you role into any Igbo town, the sound of this music is as common as the sounds of cars.

This video nearly has 900,000 views. Igbo gospel seems to be the most popular form of gospel in Africa, and I've heard several Igbo melodies translated into several other African languages.

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Also, note that recorded odumodu is different from traditional odumodu where the people are usually old and the lead singer actually has to shout over the instruments and harmonizers.

In Ekpuru Ngwa I can hear similarities in the music of those mbuti, or one of those peoples they call pygmies, and I can also hear some blues. Also Abia State seems to have similar sounding music, from the heavy bass and harmonizing.

Post some different traditional and modern Igbo music and post what the style is called. There are too many Igbo music styles, some of the popular ones are Ogene, Igbo pop, and Odumodu from Umuahia. This way someone can find the types of Igbo songs they like faster.

Odumodu is not as well known, although most people into traditional Igbo music probably know Obewe.

Odumodu

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Not trying to be poritiklar collect, but it would be nice to see a Yoruba nation with their territories in Benin Republic included and a Hausa nation with their Niger republic territories, this way we can see what their true potential is.

EzeUche:
What I am tired of seeing is that African Americans always go to Ghana to trace their roots. Why not come to Nigeria? The Bight of Biafra was the major source of slaves for the English colonies. Why not come to the Bight of Biafra, which is in Eastern Nigeria?

Because Ghana is more stable than Nigeria, and they have more knowledge of Akan culture, etc. They also have links with their people already there and Ghana has been open about giving them land and inviting them, Nigeria hasn't ever said anything slavery, all the old slave ports are ignored, and there has been no invitation.

ogugua88:
Yes to both.

Negro is an old word for a 'black' person, or a person of African descent. It is not an old fashioned word for 'nigger' because the word 'nigger' is old fashioned itself, even Queen Elizabeth the I of the 1500's used 'neger'. Someone who identifies as Negro identifies as this because they grew up in the era when black people called themselves Negro's (which is why there is no nigger), even African features today are still referred to as 'Negroid' features by anthropologists and it is generally not considered racist. Don't make the mistake of calling someone who identifies as Negro a 'nigger' just because you think the two words are the same, because they are not. Negro is still used in other countries that speak Romance languages to refer to black people, and it just means 'black'. Nigger is a corruption (or mocking) of 'Niger' and is meant to insult everything it is to be a person of African descent, it does not mean 'ignorant black person', it would mean 'black people, they are all a joke'.

A good comparison for 'Negro' and 'nigger', would be 'Black' and 'Blackie', I hope you can agree that 'Blackie' is not the same thing as 'Black'?

[quote author=Musiwa, link=topic=635846.msg8038225#msg8038225 date=1301751988]when all your family get killed, and your brother and sister killed. then you ould listen. tell me, how long do you think you can continue to do fraud in election , census etc. how long, it show you are mumu people. look by the time the igbos see thier own satellite pictures. you know igbo people are very violent. you would end up in another civil war.[/quote]Hey, I need to send Google Maps to Igbo people oh!

EzeUche:
Africa is such a large continent, let us be more specific. I propose they travel to Igboland, and that Igbo culture and language should be taught in schools where African Americans attend. Now that is going back to your roots. I don't understand why some schools teach Kiswahili, even though East Africa has nothing to do with the Atlantic Slave Trade.

1. The Igbo people are too reserved and have deliberately failed to promote their culture like that of other cultures African Americans run to when looking to Africa.

2. African Americans are looking for cultures that created empires and that are legitimised by European historians (where they get Africa's history) because their systems were similar to Europe's in that stage. If you say the Igbo did not have an empire, they will be turned off because they have nothing to rub in the face of the descendants of those who oppressed them. This is why African Americans focus on Ghana and other select parts of Africa, European stories.

3. Because of the reason above, the Igbo culture was not included in the 1970's African cultural revival, where cultures like the Akan, Yoruba, Mandinka and Kiswahili language and sometimes Kongo culture were focused on. The African Americans were looking for images of black power, and what better than an African emperor? Mansa Musa, Queen Nzinga, Ya Asantewa, etc.

ogugua88:
Okay. Thank you for telling us so. I agree with Tosinville's statement though.

Do you have a reason why you agree, like you researched it, or do you just agree because of what you think?

Tosinville:
InkedNerd
Who told you negro & nigger are not the same? i dislike folks that argue blindly and you're really good at that. Negro is an old fashion/word for Nigger but some black ppl still make use of the one they prefer, madam.

You are wrong.