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Why isn't this thread 10 pages by now? If an Igbo man did this, we would never hear the end of this. Why hypocrisy from our Yoruba brethren?

Some women have no qualms with having their husbands cheat as long as he keeps their palms greased with money.

tlops:
Libya, next

I don't know about that. Libya seems to be quite peaceful at this moment. I am actually shocked that nothing is happening to that regime. Jordan surprised me, because King Abdullah II is one of the most progressive leaders in the region. But the people of Jordan wanted another Prime Minister.

Update -

Protest have gotten violent between Pro-Government supporters and Anti-Government supporters.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/02/egypt.protests/index.html?hpt=T1

I would not say that Black Africans have no balls. If you start messing with Black Africans money, then there will be rioting in the streets. And rising food prices may also spur protest, because it seems that food prices have reached their highest level ever.

This is not welcomed news in the sense that I do not trust Northern soldiers on Igbo soil. This might be fine in other regions such as the Middle Belt, North and South-West, but this is not welcomed in the South-East.

Maybe the military has been hearing all this Biafra talk and they got worried.

However, this might be a blessing in disguise, in which if there is a conflict, we can take their weapons. I doubt this brigade can overwhelm the Igbo in our heartland.

They basically talking about the genetic diversity that is found on the African continent. It makes sense though, since Africa is the birthplace of humanity. There is a lot of genetic diversity that can be found on the continent than any other continent in the world.

That is why people should not be surprised by this information.

When you are talking about genetics, since we have mapped out the human genome, scientist can make statements like this.

I am so very proud for the people of South Sudan. They definitely deserve a nation of their own. After so many lives were lost in those two costly civil wars, one can say that God has finally blessed them with a nation of their own. The whole world will be watching Southern Sudan as they take this giant leap forward.

And I also hope that Northern Sudan also prospers. Maybe now that they do not have to worry about their neighbors to South anymore, they can focus on growing their economy and have a government that is accountable to the people.

ChinenyeN:
All this gara gara. . . give it up. They aren't going to create any more new states. In fact, new states were promised before 2011, and they didn't deliver. So no dice. It really sucks though, Aba could have been materialized. . .

You are still upset, because there is no widespread support for Aba State. Sorry, but that will never happen. There are hundreds of reasons why there should be an Anioma State, but none for Aba. Who are the good people of Aba running from? Fellow Igbos? The Anioma people have to compete with non-Igbos, such as the Urhobo, Ijaw, Isoko, Itsekiri, which makes the state resemble a Mini Nigeria.

We Igbos have more pressing matters than to worry about Aba State so get out of with that nonsense.

Jen33:
Ezeuche said:

Stop talking rubbish. Far more than ''1%'' of the nation benefit from the oil revenue. Where do you think all that money came from to build 100 universities, thousands of public primary and secondary schools, roads, bridges, flyovers etc etc all over the country? Was it your money? Have you paid even 1 day's tax in your entire life?

And NO, ''most of the nation'' does NOT live on ''$1 a day''. Not even the poorest village farmer or palm wine tapper lives on that amount in real terms.  How much is a plate of eba and egusi in Washington or New York? Is it not at least $20?

The overwhelming majority of Nigerians eat at least THAT every day, not to mention other expenditure on transport clothing etc, so your $1 a day figure is highly dubious, misleading, and inaccurate.

What are you talking about? In Nigeria, 70% of people live below the poverty line. Is that something to be proud of? The common international poverty line has in the past been roughly $1 a day. And the poverty line is the minimum level of income deemed necessary to achieve an adequate standard of living in a given country.

I think I should know what I am talking, because I have been studying poverty incidences in Africa, for quite some time.

The GDP per capita also known as PPP is a mere $2,400 and this ranks 183 in the world in comparison to other countries.

To go more into detail, 92% of Nigerians live on  less than $2 daily, while about 71% survive on less than $1 daily. This is a fact. I am not making this information up. Research and studies have shown that most Nigerians are impoverished. Go to the rural areas of the Niger Delta, South-East, South-West and especially the North and you will understand what I am talking about. It is not hard to comprehend this fact.

If you do not believe me, you can also check out the CIA World Factbook, which does a wonderful job gaining information on different nations.

Development wise, nothing has changed in Nigeria and we all know this. People need to stop denying this fact. Look at the deplorable state that the roads or in. And do not let me get started on our electricity woes.

Most of Nigeria's poverty alleviation programmes, which receive billions of naira in grants and allocation, are actually direct transfers of cash to politically selected beneficiaries.

The generality of Nigerians continue to wallow in abject poverty, however a privileged few like yourselves are doing well.

I can keep going and going concerning the economic woes of Nigeria. It is not hard to see. Even a person who is not trained in economics can notice Nigeria's problems. However, to those who want to question my statistics, maybe you should prove me wrong with sources that say otherwise, instead of saying you are wrong.

In the academic world, you come back with facts to dispute a person, simply saying he is wrong does not cut it in this world.

afam4eva:
@ Ezeuche

Pls let's be fair for once in our life. Akabueze is a Lagos minister ans he represents the interest of Lagos state and not Igbo, yoruba or any other group for that matter.

When have they been fair in our lives? Sometimes I wonder if my people are too conciliatory. Anyway, let him work on behalf for a state that would never allow a member of his ethnicity to rise to the level of governor, just because he or she is not a member of that group.

Nigeria is definitely a Banana Republic.

Ujujoan:
I don't understand . . . 

Are they foreigners or are the Nigerians   

People from NIGER.  Also known as Nigeriens. Not Nigerians. 

The borders are so porous up North, it is not surprising that this occurred. That being said, we witnessing one of the legacies of colonialism.

It is sad to see that the Hausa of Northern Nigeria are separated from them brethren in Southern Niger and Northern Benin. The same goes for the Kanuri, in which the bulk of their population lies in Chad. Colonialism really messed up Africa.

I am definitely glad to see this thread continues to be a meeting place to correct the misinformation that has been spread about Alaigbo. Thank you to all the contributors to this magnificent thread.

I already knew where you were going, when you asked me those questions. Anyway, I will comment later concerning this topic, because what you posted is complete and utter nonsense.

There have always been Igbos, Hausa & Yorubas even before the British arrived. Maybe not in the sense that it is today, but we have always been here.

Chyz*:
@bolded, thats an oxymoron.Boy if you knew what i am during to help the agistation for Anioma State offline you'd keep your mouth shut. The Aniomas since 1951 have wanted to be in a region with their eastern brothers,you should know this by now.

http://anioma.org/about/

Thank you for your posting. It seems like people argue for the sake of arguing without using their reasoning skills. This can be quite depressing, because it seems like some people on Nairaland cannot grasp basic common sense.

Ikengawo:
i don't want to hear about oil revenue, what first world country is rich from oil revenue? Sweden or England?

they're rich because their PEOPLE build FACTORIES and invest in AGRICULTURE.
Nigerians build CONTAINERS and import what their FACTORIES and AGRICULTURE produce.

oil flows from the ground, nobody owns it, it's not your 'right' to get oil money, what 1% of the American population benefits from oil money?

to make it worst 1% of the nigerian population pay taxes.


If every Nigerian payed 20 dollars a month that would produce government revenue of 3,000,000,000 (roughly) every month. 36,000,000,000 annually, PLUS 27,000,000,000 from oil revenue. 63,000,000,000 to BUILD A NATION (math isn't my strong suit everything is in rough but realistic estimates)

THATS a government. as we stand we produce 1/5 the oil saudi arabia does and have to use it to feed 3x the population saudi arabia has. the nigerian government can't afford you freeloaders. on top of that when they give contracts to nigerian companies the companies take the money and run to america (contractor corruption is constantly called 'government corruption', but they're different and equally common)

PAY TAXES. stop being ignorant and lazy

The wealthy nations are rich, because they INVEST in their citizens. If you go to Japan, UK and even the U.S., these nations invest in infrastructure, provide subsidies for their farmers, subsidize education, and even provide at least rudimentary health care.

What does Nigeria do? Nothing. . .

When Nigeria starts investing in its citizens, then the nation may truly become great. However, I doubt that will ever happen. A nation that does not invest in its people, is bound to fail.

And you say the people build factories in these nations. Yes, that is true, but they also do it with their government's assistance. I guess you haven't realized that haven't you?

Yes, someone does own the oil. If your people have been living on the land for hundreds of years, the resources of that land belong to you. That is what we call PRIVATE PROPERTY. If oil is found underneath my house in the United States, do you know who owns the oil? I own the oil, and I can control what to do with that oil, because I own the land. Do you understand?

Ikengawo:
Kidnapping waves in Abia that happen 24/7 are not comparable to violence in jos that breaks out twice a year. This is not even counting human trafficking, and cultism. gtfo.

Kidnapping is another evil, but it is nothing compared to the widespread slaughter of a people. Just ask the Berom people and their conflict with the Hausa. And the violence in Jos is not happening twice a year now. Haven't you been reading the news? The violence is daily. So enough with your incessant ramblings.

wesley80:
@Chyz and EzeUche_

And if I may ask u two, whose Cause are u two championing by your Cyber agitation? Is the Igbo's? the Aniomas? its definitely not the Cause of Deltans or perharps its just your own personal deluded Cause? Really, I'lld luv 2 know.

Actually, there are many Igbos championing the cause for Anioma State. This did not come out of thin air. Many Igbos have always believed the Anioma people should have their own state and rightfully so. I have provided you with links concerning Anioma State agitation.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Movement-for-the-Creation-of-Anioma-State/133880459971701

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/08/pdp-chieftain-makes-case-for-anioma-state/

http://asaba.com/?p=366

http://articlet.com/article159.html

http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2006/mar/081.html

obailala:
@EzeUche
How can u possibly expect a commissioner in Lagos state to call for infrastructural development in Aba and Onitsha? Next u would call on Obama to spend US funds in developing healthcare in Kenya. your tribal sentiment has completely eroded your sense of reasoning on this one. It's really sad cos except here on Nairaland, Igbos are not really known to be tribalists.

I stand by what I said. Many posters from Lagos consider Igbos as unwelcomed guest in that city, I just find it "interesting" if that is the write word to use in this context, that an Igbo man is asking for infrastructural development in another man's land.

My post have do not come out of a vacuum as you may think. Most of my post are reactionary in a way. And I am not a tribalist, because I do not think my people are superior to anyone. So do not use the world loosely.

Ikengawo:
I don't support the status quo, i also not ignorant to facts.


fact: the problem with nigeria isn't the nigerian government, it's nigerian people. the only reason the nigerian government is horrible is because it's full of nigerian people.





we need cultural and moral change. IF we overthrow the 'oppressive mubararak like GEJ' we will most likely replace him with an unscrupulous megalomanic because our country produces those 24/7


Nigeria has had TONS of overthrows, but one corrupt psycho was replaced with another corrupt psycho because EVERYONE in the country participates in bribery and excessive materialism, so when did the nigerian government START being the problem?

You keep on saying it is the fact, but it is actually your OPINION. Stop passing on your OPINIONS as facts.

The Nigerian state has always been corrupt. Even from its foundations, the Nigerian state was corrupt to the core. Saying that Nigeria is corrupt is not a recent phenomenon. People have been saying it since the 60s.

However, I will not blame the people for Nigeria's ills. That is a simplistic approach without recognizing other factors. that continue to erode the Nigerian state.

There is nothing wrong with the "Nigerian" people. I do not want to digress from this discussion, but I can think of other factors such as the colonial legacy, the coercive state apparatus and other factors that cause Nigeria not to progress.

Ikengawo:
you didn't even answer the question. obviously an all igbo state would be heterogenous.

but where does the benefit come from. a lack of violence? there's more violence in Abia state then Jos, we all know this. why be ignorant?

The bolded is a lie and you know it. You have been making ignorant statements on various threads. Now stop using the word "ignorant" loosely. You type that word way too much, when the discussion doesn't warrant it.

And I gave you an answer. You chose not to listen. And I hate to repeat myself.

Ikengawo:
Behold to who? the Nigerian people don't pay taxes
the nigerian people don't follow laws


if you put a line in the middle of a road to seperate traffic nigerians will drive right on that line.
if a nigerian fails a test we will bribe his teacher

so with the nigerian government having one the the worlds best sets of legislation and the nigerian people refusing to follow it to the point that THEY DONT EVEN PAY TAXES, what is it that you're doing to behold?


In america if you don't pay taxes you'll be in prison.
americans get MAD at the government for messing up because they're messing up THEIR hard earned money


you guys have oil that you didn't make, didn't discover and don't exploit flowing from the ground and suddenly you want to call the politicians thieves for taking the money it makes as if you ACTUALLY had anything to do with the oil?


produce something and follow a law, then come complain.


Nigerians are like loiters in a eatery that are complaining that they don't get free food and want every table to be it's own resturant cause that will somehow get them free food. smh

Your whole statement is similar to the views of an authoritarian/totalitarian state. I am surprised that someone would write that nonsense. Therefore, I guess you support the status-quo? BTW, it is never good to blame the people. When you do that, you are setting yourself up for failure

The Nigerian state gains most of its revenue from oil, which allows the Nigerian state to not collect taxes. However, the government doesn't use the oil revenue wisely to help create a stronger country. They do not invest in infrastructure, human capital, or even in our economy.

There is something morally wrong when only 1% of the nation is able to benefit from the oil revenue, while most of the nation lives on $1 a day.

Governments are suppose to represent the people and work on behalf of the people. Get that nonsense out of your mind. People are NOT suppose to work on behalf of the government. The Nigerian state is suppose to get their legitimacy from the Nigerian people, not the other way around. Do you understand what I am trying to say?

The number 1 thing that women lie about is. . . *drum roll*

How many partners they have had!

^^^

Disrupting a thread with large lettering does not mean you are right. I guess you haven't realized that by now. 

If you want to battle me intellectually, you better come correct, because when I am not playing around; I will have your head spinning.

Ikengawo:
Exactly what would nigerians be protesting? GEJ being in power for 6 months?

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO EMBARRASSING?

Why are you quoting my post? Read my statement carefully before you comment, because it seems like you do not understand English. Maybe I should write in Igbo for you to understand.

Actually, Nigerians need to protest, because the government is not beholden to the people. Look at the spending spree that GEJ went on and you say Nigerians do not need to protest? No wonder Nigeria is the way it is, because people like you have no creativity and enjoy the status-quo.

You are embarrassing yourself, by making idiotic statements.

Ikengawo:
you didn't answer the question.
what BENEFIT is this to the 'anioma' people?

Lets say they have their own state, how does this benefit the lives of the people in this new state? what is the beneficial difference?

I guess you do not know what "ideological homogeneity" means.

Let me break it down for you, the benefit is that it allows the Anioma people to govern themselves, because they will be in a state only made up of Igbo people. That is why we have state creation in Nigeria. To create homogenous states, because ethnic diversity in a state leads to problems. Plateau state is the perfect example of what happens in a heterogeneous state.

Ikengawo:
so what do nigerians think that achieve by getting more 'states'.

every tribe wants more 'states'

what's the point? im honestly curious, because, wtf?

Anioma state is most needed, because the Igbo population of Delta State deserve their own state.

For the sake of ideological homogeneity as it pertains to politics, the Igbos of Delta state should govern themselves. That is my belief and I stand by my belief.

Jen33:
bgees said:

Dude, Egypt is just as 'corrupt' as Nigeria, if not more. The people there just have more binding them together in terms of ethnicity, language and religion, and so can unify for this sort of action with less stress and mutual suspicion than in Nigeria.

Also, the idea that it is ''impossible'' in Nigeria is wildly presumptuous. Most Egyptians who lived under Mubarak's iron fist for the last 30 years also believed this sort of mass revolt was ''impossible''.

It is IMPOSSIBLE in Nigeria, because of the ethnic rivalries that play out in our political processes. Most Nigerians are more loyal to their ethnicity, than the Nigerian state. Egyptians on the other hand are very nationalistic and they have a common identity, in which most Egyptians are of "Arab" descent, follow the same religion and speak the same language. Nigeria does not have that luxury.

No, I do not support gay marriage, because "marriage" is in the realm of religion.

Creation of Anioma State is the Solution

It is so surprising that in our Delta state some eminent personalities we ought to look up to in matters that should lead to the growth of development should artificially explore and gather utilities necessary for the creation of tribalism in the state thereby setting the state at war with itself as one unbiased writer would put it. This development has also set the path for dichotomy, ethnic and political violence which the state is known for. 

The problem with the state is that the some ethnic group in the state who believe that the state belongs to them courtesy of the “Delta” which is the name of the state. These people see the state as their own patrimony. This ethnic group is of the opinion that wherever the name ‘Delta’ is mentioned it certainly refers to the ethnic groups and maybe Delta state is not large enough to accommodate other ethnic groups outside of them or it just could be if only the capital of the state could be relocated to Warri. This is the remote and immediate cause of the cold war in the state. Many personalities from the state have contributed their opinions on this matter.

It is only in Nigeria that we avoid constructive issues, advice and plans that should harmonize the diverse peoples of the nation and further lead to development. The problem again is that we deliberately manufacture problems in this nation and sometimes when there is relative peace we quickly sit down and strategize on how this relative peace could be truncated so that we can in the process gain cheap publicity or improve our profiles. One wonders why it is not the situation in developed countries such as the USA, Britain, France, Germany, Japan, China etc. Only very few students in Nigeria today can mention 10 states in Japan or even 5 in China. Worse still, I am very sure that as you read this article most of us cannot rightly tell what state nelson Mandela originates from in South Africa here or Kwame Nkruma state of origin in Ghana.

I think on of the ways we can help ourselves in this country is the Federal Government imposing a ban on information dealing with ‘state of origin’, ‘town’, ‘local government area’, place of birth and others for only this will give Nigerians the real idea that we are one in spite of where you come from and that it does not really matter whether your journey takes you 2 hours or more from Asaba to any other part of Delta state or Nigeria for that matter. After all Airports are necessary to quickly and easily facilitate our movements from part of our state to another.

It is an absurdity to rely on provincial delineation used by the British to effectively achieve divide and rule criterion for state creation in Nigeria and else way, the same method we should have condemned. If this criterion which  tribal division which execrably achieved the location of Yoruba in Nigeria and Benin Republic, Ewe in Togo and Ghana and other places alike why must we seek to rely on it in referencing whether we were one people or not. Any student of history would then want to know how the people related and viewed themselves before the coming of the Europeans in the first place. We know that states can be created and be created depending on the position of things at any point in time. Years back ‘Obafemi Awolowo University and indeed Ile-Ife was located in Oyo state and has historically been today, the great centre of learning is located in Osun state. Aboh and the people of Ukwuani were once part of the old Delta province; today they are parts of Anioma.

The Abuja authorities decided to merge agitations from both sides and perhaps were convinced that since the whole of these areas are geographically located in the Delta region, the state can be called Delta state and the capital situated in Asaba because the people constituting Delta south already have the name referred to as the state. In creating a state any name or word can be coined. We saw this in the creation of the defunct Bendel state and Benin City was named the capital. Provinces make no sense.

Maybe we look up the word ‘Delta’ in the dictionary in other to appreciate that the word does not tribally refer to any particular nation, ethnic group, tribe or ethnic group much less a particular region confined to Nigeria. We are therefore aptly sure to believe that all the communities without any exception now lying in Delta state are geographically located in with the Delta region of Nigeria. Is Delta an indigenous name in Nigeria? There is countless number of Deltas in existence the world over. We well know that what is called Delta today might well have been called a different name. What is happening today among those who believe that state creation has to do with tribalism occurs because we in Delta state have simply refused to live together as one bid family unless we have the government announce our premises as the state capital.

The capital of Anambra state could have been situated in Onitsha, Ogun in Ijebu-Ode, Oyo in Ibadan, Abia state in Aba. The capital of Nigeria was once situated in Lagos by the British later moved to Abuja, there was no protest and no one would think it was not wise and judge with the basis of the wisdom of the Britain who used provincial delineation in deciding that the capital of the nation be suitably located in Lagos. One wonders why all this noise about Asaba after all Asaba was once the capital of southern Nigeria which included the area now called Delta state.

Rather than help champion the cause of separation of these two entities through the creation of another state from the present state these people would further suggest the relocation of Anioma to Anambra state and become a member of South Eastern group of states. The same argument Governors of the south East would turn down where they alleged that the creation of Anioma state would mean an extra state for the people of South-south. How confused we are in this country or how prepared we are to play with the destinies of group of people if only we can achieve our personal aims in the name of our ethnic group

We all know the solution to this matter and this the creation of Anioma state


Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/politics-articles/creation-of-anioma-state-is-the-solution-453659.html

Nigeria is most likely to have a Civil War or ethnic insurrection than a mass protest.