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Obiagu1:
I'll like to add that Ironsi's action was one of the, if not the greatest, harm committed against Nigerians. If he was alive today, I'd campaign for him to be jailed for life! This is how much I despise his action.

Just with one stroke of the pen, he completely nullified the foundation of Nigeria which we have been nurtured in without any consultation. Every region in their base with their government and with their policies to guide them. How he came up with the idea of that unitary government is beyond reason.

What was Ironsi suppose to do?

The man was a CAREER SOLDIER.

He was given a position, that he was not prepared for.

Do not blame the man. We do not know what we would have done, if place in his position.

OAM4J:
Thank you!

I had same thought too while listing to the journalist on the video. What good have those soldiers done? Took corruption to a greater height and in addition gave us a civil war. Fact is that coup was a BIG MISTAKE.

Those soldiers were not allowed to have their dream come to fruition, because of tribalistic soldiers from the North who many thought they were there brothers. But they only worked on behalf of their region.

The BIGGEST MISTAKE Ironsi did was allowing Northern soldiers to have positions. He should have castigated them to barracks that were away from his power.

The British are rich for one main reason: Theft

All the centuries they have plundered the globe from Africa, Asia to North America, they are living off their ill-gotten wealth. That is the only reason why the UK is such a rich country.

Remember the old adage, that there is no sunset on the British empire. I think that should answer that question.

OAM4J:
They were all missed by their people.

The main factor that motivated jul 66 coup was the killing of Sardauna. Till now the North have not come to term with it.

If they were missed so much, there should have been non-stop riots. But there weren't any riots. Just joyous crowds who supported the coup.

People like Okotie-Eboh were not missed.

The only reason why their were riots in the North is, because those people were used by their leaders to have a violent reaction.

I will continue to see Ironsi as a man who was foisted onto a position he did not want.

He was a career soldier, which is very different from running a nation. The man knew how to follow orders and was very patriotic.

If I was him, I would have declined the position though. But at that time, there was lot of confusion.

Ironsi has been vindicated.

In my heart of heart, I knew Ironsi was just a sacrificial lamb. He was put into that position, by fate. I definitely feel sorry for the man. He was simply a soldier who believe that his comrades were above the political mess. Very sad. Ironsi's story should be told to future generations.

God bless you Max Siollun

There was WIDESPREAD support for the coup!

Was Akintola missed? No

Was the Sardauna missed? No

Was even Balewa missed? No

Was Okotie-Eboh missed? Hell no!

People went on with their lives, happy and jubilant.

Corruption & nepotism was suppose to be discarded!

Finally, people are calling Katsumoto what he really is, a big TRIBALIST of the highest order. Even with the facts presented to him, he still wants to say that it was an "Igbo Coup." Now that is truly disgusting.

No one believed me when I said that last year. I know his type. The smoth talking Yoruba elite. They are the most dangerous type in Nigeria. Even the North is wary of that type of person. Awolowo clearly was a member of this group.

The Igbo dialects found in Ebonyi State are something I enjoy hearing, because I do not understand many things that they say when they speak in their dialect.

Sometimes, their dialect does not even sound Igbo. I find the Afikpo dialect very strange.

The OP has never lived in Nigeria, nor does he know how to construct proper sentences in his "native" tongue. That is why we shouldn't take this person seriously.

Ikengawo:
These 'yoruba' kindgoms also incorporated Bini, Fon, and even Ashante from Ghana, so to say these kingdoms are evidence of the existence of a 'yoruba' nation pre-colonialism then Ashante and Fon are also Yoruba.

That is completely false. Never in the history of the Asante people were they ever conquered by any Yoruba kingdom. Stop peddling falsehoods.

"Akan political organization centered on various clans, each headed by a paramount chief or Amanhene. One of these clans, the Oyoko, settled Ghana’s sub-tropical forest region, establishing a center at Kumasi. During the rise of another Akan state known as Denkyira, the Ashanti became tributaries. Later in the mid-17th century, the Oyoko clan under Chief Oti Akenten started consolidating other Ashanti clans into a loose confederation that occurred without destroying the authority of each paramount chief over his clan. This was done in part by military assault, but largely by uniting them against the Denkyira, who had previously dominated the region.

In the 1670s, then head of the Oyoko clan, Osei Kofi Tutu I, began another rapid consolidation of Akan peoples via diplomacy and warfare. King Osei Kofu Tutu I and his chief advisor, Okomfo Kwame Frimpon Anokye led a coalition of influential Ashanti city-states against their mutual oppressor, the Denkyira who held Asanteman as one of its tributaries. Asanteman utterly defeated them at the Battle of Feyiase, proclaiming its independence in 1701."

Asante history started when they were a tributary state of another Akan speaking tribe, known as the Denkyira. Yoruba kingdoms never extended into the Ashanti homeland. And the Asante actually clashed with the Oyo Empire in modern day Togo.

This is a wonderful thread. Thank you to all who have contributed.

I feel sorry for Mr. Onyeocha's wife and the driver, but thank God his children survived!

dayokanu:
They said at their peak which was 1650 to 1750

What tells us they didnt start the conquest before then and peaked in the 1650 thereabout?

Without an accurate timeline, we will be going back and forth.

I hope you all are not taking this as an insult, because I have the deepest respect for the Oyo Empire.

dayokanu:
When 2 empires didnt exist at the same time why should there be a conflict?

If you live at 35 Onitsha rd between Jan-July and I live at the same address between July and october, Does that mean we both didnt occupy the same space?

Maybe it is best we have a timeline to show the rise of Oyo and how they expanded into these regions. Historians, do this when there is a conflict.

Are you trying to tell me that Oyo was able to expand into Ghana in 50 years? It doesn't work like that in history. Kingdoms rise, but most have slow expansions.

Also, where are your maps that shows Oyo extending into modern day Ghana.

No map that I have come across has made that assertion. I provided visual maps to show the extension of Oyo, Asante Confederacy and Dahomey.

The burden of proof is on you all who has made that assertion. Not using one article that has been copied over and over.

You do know the problem of the internet. Different sources say different things and we all know this. My sources say otherwise.

I still stand by the fact that Oyo never extended into modern day Ghana.

Just like I corrected people who erroneously said that the Ewe were Yoruba. And that there were Yorubas in Ghana, because there are NONE.

sleekdot:
Oyo empire
Yoruba state in present-day southwestern Nigeria that dominated the land between the Volta and Niger rivers in 1650–1750. Two waves of immigrants probably entered the area c. AD 700–1000, and the second wave formed a state at Oyo.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Oyo+empire

Ashanti Empire

The Ashanti Empire or Asante Empire, also known as the Ashanti Confederacy or Asanteman (independent from 1701–1896), was a pre-colonial West African state created by the Akan people of what is now the Ashanti Region in Ghana. Their empire stretched from central Ghana to present day Togo and Côte d'Ivoire, bordered by the Dagomba kingdom to the north and Dahomey to the east.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Ashanti+empire

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/37710/Asante-empire

How can two empires occupy the same space? That would be strange.

Dahomey's traditional extent - Keep in mind that Dahomey never extended into Ghana either. So how could Oyo extend into Ghana?

dayokanu:
WHere is the Volta?

How did the Oyo get into the domain of the Ashanti Empire? Where are your sources? I have showed you maps of the traditional extent of both empires. Even Dahomey did not extend into the modern day Volta Region of Ghana.

Now show me a source that says Oyo extended into modern day Ghana. The burden of proof is on you.

I have never seen a source that says Oyo extended into Ghana.

armyofone:
SemperFI

Are you a Marine?

If you are, I was contemplating joining the marines, but decided that I will probably join the air force.

The United States has the best air force in the world. Israel gets most of their fighter jets from the United States through military aid.

That number is way too high for my liking. We all should be worried with this poll. I think this is the highest of any Muslims in the world. And people wonder why I want my Christian/Eastern brothers to leave this union.

dayokanu:
If you dont know stuffs just keep quiet instead of rambling about. Because you lived in Ghana means what?

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Oyo_Empire#The_height_of_the_Oyo_Empire

I hate having to correct your falsehoods, so I will provide you with maps. Now do not argue with me on this issue.

[b]Oyo never extended into modern day Ghana. [/b

]That was the realm of the Ashanti Empire and its tributary states that extended into Togo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashanti_Empire

Oyo Empire had a tributary state known as Dahomey, but even Dahomey did not extend into Ghana. Anyone who knows Ashanti history, would tell you that their power extended into modern day Togo. The Ashantis held sway over the Ewe as they used as a buffer state with Dahomey.

Why do you think the last major battle between the Ashanti Empire vs. Dahomey/Oyo was in Togo? It is funny how some of you descendants tried to extend Oyo into Ghana.

Many of us has  already discussed how Oyo extended into Togo through the use of its tributary state Dahomey. But, it NEVER was in Ghana. That is a fact. My maps clearly illustrate that. And not Oyo did not control all the Yoruba states. Some Yoruba kingdoms were out the realm of Oyo. I provided my sources.

dayokanu:
The Oyo empire spread all over west Africa into Benin republic, Togo and parts of Ghana.

In Akan Ghanaian laguage welcome is Akwabba, In Yoruba its E-kabo

Oyo Empire never extended into Ghana. Ghana was the domain of the Ashanti Empire. The Ashanti Confederacy includes parts of Togo & Cote D'ivoire. Oyo Empire clashed with the Ashanti empire in Togo, not Ghana. Most Ghanains never even  heard of Oyo.

So stop peddling falsehoods. I lived in Ghana for a few years and studied their history. The Ewe region of Ghana and Togo was a tributary state of the Ashantis. Oyo Empire clashed with the Ashanti over areas within modern day Togo. Not Ghana.

The scars of the civil war can still be found in the South-East.

I wonder how many bombs remain in the East that have not been discovered yet.

Rhino.5dm:
The only reason why 'Jos' is not happening in PH is that they have come to realizs the might of the ibos
(new owners of PH and fear of being wipe out) and the religious intolerant is found missing.

Did you know that for the past 11 yrs of odilli and Amaechi together, no single C of O was sign by the duo? Deny it and make a fo.ol of yourself. And all the Indegines were very supportive for the action. I have been on ground working in PH for 4 yrs before i left.

It would not be in their interest to do that nonsense in Port Harcourt. The wrath of a major ethnic group should be a warning to those who do not preach tolerance. We Igbos are trying to improve Port Harcourt for everyone. Some people need to realize this before it is too late.

You don't play with Somalians. They make the people of Northern Nigeria look children. They are a warlike people who have no qualms slaughtering each other. Just look at Somalia itself. A homogeneous nation under one religion, one language and a common history and they continue to kill themselves.

Africans need to stop this nonsense about land. People should have a right to live anywhere they please. Maybe I have lived in the U.S. for a while, but I am glad that if I have the means, then I can live anywhere I choose. No wonder people view the continent as backwards.  

Why hate someone, because they are of a different ethnicity? It just doesn't make sense.

^^^

South-South include the states that make up the Niger Delta. Take a geography class if you do not know what a Delta entails.

Rhino.5dm:
What a joke! you guys have the rights to discuss over your keyboards. Even as at today an Ibo man has to disquise himself(change name) to be able to purchase a land in portharcourt or rent apartment in some areas. All this charade can be attributed to cash and carry Ibos ways of politics. Sadly but True. Its vexes me to how   few selfish will  be mortgaging the future of ibo nation.

SS and SE, one Indeed!

My father did not have to disguise his Igbo name to purchase land in Port Harcourt.   And he has a lot of property in Port Harcourt.

Plenty of Igbos live in Port Harcourt from all across the South-East.