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Christianity Etc › France's Macron Issues 'republican Values' Ultimatum To Muslim Leaders by farem(op): 9:39pm On Nov 19, 2020

France's Macron issues 'republican values' ultimatum to Muslim leaders
19 November 2020 Europe
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Image captionProtesters have condemned President Macron over his comments about Islam
French President Emmanuel Macron has asked Muslim - BBC leaders to accept a "charter of republican values" as part of a broad clampdown on radical Islam.

On Wednesday he gave the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) a 15-day ultimatum to accept the charter.

The CFCM has agreed to create a National Council of Imams, which will reportedly issue imams with official accreditation which could be withdrawn.

It follows three suspected Islamist attacks in little more than a month.

The charter will state that Islam is a religion and not a political movement, while also prohibiting "foreign interference" in Muslim groups.

Mr Macron has strongly defended French secularism in the wake of the attacks, which included the beheading of a teacher who showed cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad during a class discussion last month.

France targets radical Islam amid row with Turkey
Anti-France rallies held globally as tensions rise
Beheading of teacher deepens divisions in France
Late on Wednesday, the president and his interior minister, Gérald Darmanin, met eight CFCM leaders at the Élysée palace.

"Two principles will be inscribed in black and white [in the charter]: the rejection of political Islam and any foreign interference," one source told the Le Parisien newspaper after the meeting.

The formation of the National Council of Imams was also agreed upon.

Video captionFrench President Emmanuel Macron says France 'will never give in'
President Macron has also announced new measures to tackle what he called "Islamist separatism" in France.

The measures include a wide-ranging bill that seeks to prevent radicalisation. It was unveiled on Wednesday, and includes measures such as:

Restrictions on home-schooling and harsher punishments for those who intimidate public officials on religious grounds
Giving children an identification number under the law that would be used to ensure they are attending school. Parents who break the law could face up to six months in jail as well as large fines
A ban on sharing the personal information of a person in a way that allows them to be located by people who want to harm them
"We must save our children from the clutches of the Islamists," Mr Darmanin told the Le Figaro newspaper on Wednesday. The draft law will be discussed by the French cabinet on 9 December.

Video captionThe French president led a vigil for Samuel Paty in Paris, attended by Mr Paty's family and about 400 guests
Samuel Paty, the teacher who was killed outside his school last month, was targeted by an online hate campaign before his death on 16 October.

Le Monde newspaper has published emails sent between Paty and colleagues in the days after he showed the cartoons in class.

"It's really distressing and particularly as it comes from a family whose child wasn't in my lesson and isn't someone I know," Paty wrote. "It's becoming a malicious rumour."

He later wrote in a separate email: "I won't do any more teaching on this topic - I'll choose another freedom as a subject for teaching."

Earlier this year, President Macron described Islam as a religion "in crisis" and defended the right of magazines to publish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad. Such depictions are widely regarded as taboo in Islam and are considered highly offensive by many Muslims.

Following these comments, the French leader became a figure of hate in several Muslim-majority countries. Protesters have also called for a boycott of French products.

In France, state secularism (laïcité) is central to the country's national identity. Freedom of expression in schools and other public spaces is part of that, and curbing it to protect the feelings of a particular religion is seen as undermining national unity.

France has western Europe's largest Muslim population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-55001167

Politics › Re: Umahi's Defection: Primate Ayodele Reveals Political Future Of Ebonyi Governor by farem: 8:16pm On Nov 19, 2020

thatsleepboy1:
https://www.today.ng/news/politics/primate-ayodele-reveals-political-future-governor-umahi-apc-326866

The heading of this thread is wrong and fraudulent. The heading should read:

UMAHI'S DEFECTION : PDP PROPHET, Primate Ayodele Reveals Political Future Of Ebonyi Governor

Culture › Re: Ooni And His Wife, Silekunola Naomi Ogunwusi Welcome A Son by farem: 6:27pm On Nov 18, 2020

[quote author=Praktikals post=96182360][s]A prince in ile ife is greater than the Alaafin of Oyo[/[/s]quote]

Did the hoodlums also set free the lunatics at Yaba left?

Education › Re: Emmanuel Nworie The First Class Mathematician About To Be Stolen By Canada.. by farem: 2:50pm On Nov 18, 2020*

moneyshop:
Please, I am also a graduation of First classes in English Languwage.

Someone should connected me to professor of Canada.

I can teaching.

Dem don pick this one call... Chai!
I tap into his blessings

Don't worry, as a first class in ingilishi, you has being pickened and selectioned!

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Politics › Re: Supreme Court Dismisses 6 Suits Against Governor Diri & Deputy, Ewhrudjakpo by farem: 2:44pm On Nov 18, 2020

I don't know but since I saw this diri giving testimony at redeem camp, I know e go hard to comot him.

Some things will not take place because certain things are involved.

Christianity Etc › GLOBAL MISSION: World's First Christian Airline Launches 2021 by farem(op): 10:50am On Nov 18, 2020

World's first Christian airline eyes 2021 launch; aims to transport missionaries worldwide

World's first Christian airline eyes 2021 launch; aims to transport missionaries worldwide
World's first Christian airline eyes 2021 launch; aims to transport missionaries worldwide
By Ryan Foley, Christian Post Reporter FOLLOW| Tuesday, November 17, 2020

The current fleet of Judah 1, a non-profit aviation ministry that hopes to become the first-ever Christian airline in 2021. | Everett Aaron
A nonprofit ministry is set to launch the first-ever Christian airline next year, providing a source of travel for missionaries seeking to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ across the globe.

Judah 1, currently based out of Shreveport Regional Airport in Shreveport, Louisiana, has already carried small groups of missionaries to disaster areas and mission fields in its capacity as a private airline.

But starting next year, Judah 1 will “go from being private, which is what we are now, to an actual airline standard,” Judah 1 President and CEO Everett Aaron told The Christian Post in an interview.

When this happens, Judah 1 will have a Federal Aviation Administration certification, putting it in the same league as well-known airlines such as Delta. While the ministry currently deploys smaller aircraft for small teams of missionaries, the airline is planning to acquire larger planes that can fly hundreds of people by the end of 2021.

“By the end of next year, we would like to have three to four large planes,” he stated. “As of yesterday, we now have being added to our fleet a Boeing 767-200ER. … It seats 238 people and can go anywhere in the world with one-stop. It carries 30 tons of cargo.”

In spite of its new status, there will still be differences between Judah 1 and the other airlines that have become household names in the U.S. and around the world.

“We will be non-scheduled and we do not have to have approved routes,” Aaron said. “So, that means we can go where we want when we want, unlike most airlines … that have to have certain schedules that they fly, have to have certain routes. We don’t have to do that.”

While missionaries will have to pay airfare, Judah 1 has “no baggage fees and no cargo fees.”

“So all of the missionaries’ cargo goes for free,” Aaron explained.

Since it’s likely that Judah 1’s imminent launch as the first-ever Christian airline will take place in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic, Aaron says there will be extra precautions in place just as the non-profit ministry has already done with flights that have taken off during the pandemic.

“Our airplanes are sanitized,” he assured. “We have a machine that literally kills 99.9% of the germs in the aircraft. After every flight, we do that.”

According to Aaron, the airline is presented with an “advantage” because of its humanitarian nature.

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“We are allowed to go into countries that are locked down, whereas normal airlines cannot,” he said.

One example of Judah 1’s work is last year when it transported Operation Blessing, a humanitarian group associated with the Christian Broadcasting Network, to the Bahamas to bring relief to the victims of Hurricane Dorian.

Aaron said Judah 1 plans on working with Operation Blessing again in the coming weeks to provide relief to Guatemala, Nicaragua and Honduras — countries that have been hit hard by hurricanes in recent weeks.

Judah 1 has several other partners that it works with in addition to Operation Blessing, including Samaritan’s Purse and Eagle Mountain Church.

Aaron told CP that Judah 1’s fleet currently consists of about five planes.

The fleet includes the Westwind, which can “take doctors or small teams to the mission field” and has the capability to land on “short runways sometimes found in third-world countries.”

The Westwind, which has a low deck that “makes boarding easier for Wounded Warrior and Make-a-Wish children,” can carry eight passengers and 1,200 pounds of cargo.

The Cessna 414, which is used for Wounded Warrior, Make-a-Wish and disaster relief scouting, can carry up to six passengers.

The largest aircraft in the fleet, the MD83, can carry up to 120 people and 17,000 pounds of cargo.

But there are plans to expand the fleet to include airplanes with even larger capacities in the near future.

In addition to expanding the fleet, Aaron is also open to the possibility of establishing operations at other hubs in the U.S. besides Shreveport.

“If we have people on the East Coast that want to fly, we will look at establishing hubs for Judah 1 in other states,” he said.

Aaron recalled how Judah 1’s story dates all the way back to 1994 when the Lord gave him a vision of “airline aircrafts lined up as far as you could see.

“They were filled with food, medical supplies, Bibles,” Aaron recalled. “The engines were fired up and they were ready to go. And there were people … lined up in front of these planes ready to get on them. But they wouldn’t get on the planes.”

When he asked God why the people would not get on the plane, he said God responded by saying: “They can’t go into the mission field until you get the airplanes. This is what I’m calling you to do.”

While Aaron first had a vision of Judah 1 nearly three decades ago, the ministry did not become a reality until 2011.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-airline-to-transport-missionaries-will-launch-in-2021.html

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Politics › Re: CNN Confirms That #EndSARS Lekki Massacre Happened by farem: 10:45am On Nov 18, 2020

Here, we will hear those who die for any CNN reports and news against Trump will say.

CNN.. designed for the spiritually and politically self-deluded fellas

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: How My Poor Uncle & I Fed In 1956 by farem: 9:25am On Nov 18, 2020

Kobojunkiee:
What do you think the word 'Amen' even means?
Do you think of it as some magic word that somehow invokes a response from God or something? LOL

Look, stop deceiving yourselves thinking that by doing so, God is happy with you. He does not work that way. Unless you wean yourselves from the milk of lies that these deceivers continue to feed you in the name of God, you will fall into the same pit that they do in the end, just as Jesus Christ warned from back 2000 years ago.

Since it is not a magic word, a serious person would have gone to use the one he considers a magic word rather than analysis and nonsensical ranting

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: How My Poor Uncle & I Fed In 1956 by farem: 8:04pm On Nov 17, 2020

Kobojunkiee:
I don't believe in your "unmerited favour" bullcrap logic to begin with because

a) God is not a God of favor
b) God is a Just God
c) God's mercy is poured out daily on both the wicked and the righteous

You claim Adeboye did not experience this as a Christian, yet Adeboye chose to tag it a miracle and went as far as to pray that many of his followers would experience something similar in the name of God, pretending it was part of God's plan, to begin with.

I wonder how you would feel if you were the one a miracle was stolen from in such a manner. Yes, I ask God to show you what it is like to be on the receiving end of such a miracle, at least until you repent of this folly.

All this bull crap is needless and of no use. Since you're so sure of what you are saying, go back and write ''Amen' for yourself since it's nothing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: How My Poor Uncle & I Fed In 1956 by farem: 1:40pm On Nov 17, 2020

Did he experience this as a Christian? No! 1956 to 1973 is about eighteen years apart. That was when the event happened and when he gave his life to Jesus. Just keep writhing in and with pains of what no konsain una

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adeboye: How My Poor Uncle & I Fed In 1956 by farem: 1:39pm On Nov 17, 2020

Kobojunkiee:
The man and his uncle confessed to stealing food that belonged to another, only to turn around and claim that God did it. Unless you are going to tell us in your next post that God sanctions dishonesty, you need to stop with the excuses that only serve to drag God's name further in the mud than these men of god have!

May the opportunity that you never merit not come your way! As long as you are not qualified (even though you are greatly in need of it), may it elude you.
Oya say Amen to this and it will stick to your destiny.
Did he experience this as a Christian? No 1956 to 1973 is eighteen years apart. That was when the event happened and when he gave his life to Jesus. Just keep writhing in and with pains of what no konsain una.

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Crime › Re: Man Discovers Marijuana Inside Yam He Was Given To Deliver Abroad by farem: 8:31am On Nov 17, 2020*

satelliteDISH:
Hmm, very wicked man. He wants to put somebody that is trying to help him in prison.

~~Most~~ Few of those Nigerians executed for drugs in Malaysia and Indonesia could be innocent. The difference is that they were not been careful to observe items given to them by the people they wanted to help.

Setting the record straight

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Travel › Re: Vehicle Climbs Lagos Pedestrian Bridge, One Feared Dead (Video) by farem: 5:11pm On Nov 16, 2020

sapphiere:
https://punchng.com/one-feared-dead-as-vehicle-climbs-lagos-pedestrian-bridge/

The owner gave his car to a learner to drive on a highway. Both of them became ~~high~~ low in the right sense. The pedestrian bridge turned ikoyi bridge.
The two must serve some judicious terms!

Pets › STRANGE HAPPENINGS: Goats Design Their Own Amusement Park (watch) by farem(op): 12:08pm On Nov 16, 2020

This life no balance. The short movies show how some goats decided to have amusement in any way possible.
Check it out l.

https://www.facebook.com/613052729/posts/10158035662167730/

Politics › Re: Biden Campaign Director Arrested For Electoral Fraud by farem: 11:40am On Nov 16, 2020

dadavivo:
[s]Trump has conceded, you clowns should also get used to it. Tune in to CNN for live coverage of the transmission of power to Biden.

Stop the fake news[/s]

CNN... a stupid news outfit for self-deluded idiots

Business › Re: RIGHTEOUSNESS: See A Fuel Station Still Sells At Old Price because its Old Stock by farem(op): 11:15am On Nov 16, 2020

ouzo1:
Op thank u for dey advert.. no be only Bovas na Bovi

Thank you for exposing your thought. You have wished they are demarketed. Any act kindness needs a reward. I don't know any Bovas station and I can't remember if I have passed across any but this is a commendable act and that stops there.
BTW, you are one of the many Nigerians who jumps at and wail on any injustice but here trying to suppress the perceived goodwill of one of the many righteous Nigerians.

Business › RIGHTEOUSNESS: See A Fuel Station Still Sells At Old Price because its Old Stock by farem(op): 7:55am On Nov 16, 2020

BOVAS OIL: WHAT A BRAND

Let me tell you something.
This week, following the complete deregulation of the downstream petroleum industry in Nigeria sometimes in 2020, the price of petrol jumped from N161 to N170.

So this afternoon, I drove into the Bovas Filling Station on Araromi Street, Akure to top up the petrol in my car; my first purchase since the new petrol price was announced.

My eyes went straight to the dispensing machine. I was more interested in the price per litre.

I figured that my favourite petrol station would normally sell petrol at N1 or N2 less than the official price. Yes! That's the character of Bovas Oil. When the price was N161, Bovas sold at N159. So I expected to buy petrol at maybe N168 or N169 this afternoon at Bovas.

But the dispensing machine proudly displayed a price of N159 per litre, the old price. I double checked. Neither my eyes nor the dispensing machine was playing tricks on me.

Perplexed.

I demanded to know why. The attendant told me that Bovas is selling at the old price because Bovas has not bought at new NNPC depot price.

Bovas still has the old stock. And they're selling at the old price. They won't take advantage. They're not greedy. They won't cheat hapless citizens. It's shockingly unNigerian.

Bovas! Bovas! Bovas! What a company. What a brand.

So I bought petrol and drove out of Bovas Station, Araromi road, Akure, with prayers in my heart and on my lips for the woman who owns the company.

Bovas (the owner) is a Nigerian patriot. An uncommon Nigerian. A gift to Nigeria, particularly the South West. Bovas never cheats you by under dispensing. They pay attendants/workers fairly better than others. During fuel scarcity, you can trust them to go the extra mile to make fuel available. Ever dependable, Bovas.

Yes! Bovas is a shining example of righteousness. And Bovas is telling us something. We can fix Nigeria only if we all choose to be Bovas in our dealings as citizen.

We must listen to Bovas. The story is good. The music is sweet. I choose to be Bovas too. What's your own choice?

Thanks for sharing. -Olumide Olugbemi-Gabriel...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3406105356148216&id=100002463553962

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Crime › Police Raid Black Spots In Lagos, Arrest 720 Suspects by farem(op): 6:38am On Nov 16, 2020

The Lagos State Police Command, on Sunday, carried out simultaneous raids on areas believed to be harbouring criminals and hoodlums, across the 14 area commands in the state.

The command’s Public Relations Officer, SP Olumuyiwa Adejobi, in a statement issued in Lagos, said that 720 suspects were arrested, with various weapons and substances suspected to be Indian hemp and cocaine.

“In its bid to solidify the security architecture of the state, the Lagos Command re-launched its anti crime strategies to curb crimes and criminality across the state.

“In the swift operations, police operatives arrested 720 suspects with incriminating items, including locally-made guns, cartridges, charms and substances suspected to be Indian hemp and cocaine.

“Also, some items suspected to have been looted from various shopping outlets within the state during the recent EndSARS violence were found within the suspected criminals,” he said.

Adejobi said that the Commissioner of Police in the state, Hakeem Odumosu, had earlier warned and directed police officers and men to move against lawlessness and criminality in the state.

“Odumosu affirmed the zeal of the command to sustain the operations, even beyond the yuletide season.

“The police chief commended the officers and men of the command for the successful operations, while he urged them to be at alert for more operations across the state,” the police spokesman said.

Adejobi said that Odumosu had also directed the Deputy Commissioner of Police in charge of SCID, Panti to commence discreet investigation on the arrested suspects for immediate prosecution.

“Odumosu urged those whose items were looted during the recent EndSARS violence to come up for claims of their items, with prove of ownership,” Adejobi said.

https://m.guardian.ng/news/police-raid-black-spots-in-lagos-arrest-720-suspected-criminals/

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Joe Bidden Projected To Win Arizona, Expands Electoral College Votes To 290 by farem: 7:54am On Nov 13, 2020

ryloy:
Expand his Electoral College to 290.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/12/politics/biden-wins-arizona/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

CNN...taking the blind on a fool's ride since 1829AD

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Education › Re: Adire Now School Uniform In Ogun by farem: 7:51am On Nov 13, 2020

While this is a good move, the governor is blinded to the fact that that Aṣọ Òkè is of richer cultural appeal nationally, than adire.

Education › Re: Adire Now School Uniform In Ogun by farem: 7:47am On Nov 13, 2020

tammie24:
Too heavy for young children to wear

Nay, you don't know adire fabric! Perhaps you are thinking of Aṣọ Òkè

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Politics › Re: Huge Pension Of Ex-Governors Of Lagos State (Full List) by farem: 4:58pm On Nov 12, 2020

teadrake:
One percent of the Benefits that a public servant that serve the government diligently for 32 years cannot boast of is what ex governors are enjoying. This is pure wickedness!!

Fixed!

Foreign Affairs › BIDEN VS TRUMP: Reasons For The Battles And The Unending Confrontations by farem(op): 4:41pm On Nov 12, 2020

INCASE YOU DONT COMPREHEND THE REASON FOR THE BATTLES AND THE UNENDING CONFRONTATIONS:

Trump vs New World Order
Trump vs The Abortion Law
Trump vs The Anti Christ Agenda
Trump vs Vaccine Producers
Trump vs Homosexual/Lesbians/Gay
Trump vs Terrorism Beneficiaries
Trump vs Pope? (You won't understand)
Trump vs Mainstream media (MSN)
Trump vs Social Media Owners
Trump vs Bad leadership promoters in Africa.
Trump vs killers of Christians in Africa
Trump vs Injustice
Trump vs The Illuminati Members
Trump vs One World Government
Trump vs The Cancellation Of Prayers
Trump vs The Haters Of Humanity
Trump vs Anti God's Laws
Trump vs Election Riggers
Trump vs Islamic extremists/fundamentalists
Trump vs illegal immigrants

If you're current enough, you would know this.

Politics › Re: Lagos Pension Package: Fashola Turned It Down, Never Accepted It - Hakeem Bello by farem: 3:13pm On Nov 12, 2020

inoki247:
~~Oga carry ur format commot for here~~

What you are reading ruffles your balance, right? Pẹlẹ!

Politics › Re: Shekau, Abu Mus’ab, 79 Others Top List Of Wanted Terrorists By Nigerian Army by farem: 8:06pm On Nov 11, 2020

ijustdey:
https://dailytrust.com/shekau-abu-musab-79-others-top-lists-of-wanted-terrorists-by-nigerian-army

Nansense!
Anytime there are some successful efforts against terrorism somewhere, they always come out to talk bulshit.
Last time, it was chadian routing boko haram, now UAE has dealt blow on the sponsors of terrorism from Nigeria
Elsewhere, its the government that take up the gauntlet, here it's the military that backs without executive backing.

Politics › Re: Pastor Tunde Bakare: I Will Become President Like Joe Biden In 2023 by farem: 5:42pm On Nov 11, 2020

thesicilian:
Future impossible tense

Like Joe Biden - the never sworn president of US. It's okay

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Politics › POWER OF LAMESTREAM: Channelstv Declares Seyi Makinde Governor Of Ebonyi- Pic by farem(op): 5:21pm On Nov 11, 2020

Since some people say that the media in America has the power to declare Biden "president elect", also Channels TV in Nigeria has excercised it's own power by transferring Gov Seyi Makinde to Ebonyi as the new Ebonyi State governor as Gov Dave Umahi is already on his way to APC.

Celebrities › Re: Wentworth Miller: 'I Am Gay & I Don't Want To Play Straight Characters Anymore' by farem: 4:43pm On Nov 11, 2020

Akandepelumi55:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vulture.com/amp/2020/11/wentworth-miller-done-with-prison-break-straight-characters.html

Sad for him. He is already sentenced to ~~homosexuality~~ an unbreakable jail!

Culture › Re: The Beautiful Palace Of The Ooni Of Ife (Photos, Video) by farem: 1:38pm On Nov 11, 2020

travelwaka:
Opposite the Palace is the ~~Eruwa~~ Square, once you see this place you know you are about to Enter the Royal palace

Eruwa Square has the statue of Oduduwa, the Progenitor of the Yoruba race. This place is dedicated to him.

Please Kindly follow me on Instagram - www.instagram.com/travelwaka_tours I will be giving out some free tours to some lucky winners.

Enuwa (Ẹnu Ọwá). The boundary of Ọwá Obokun of ijesaland.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Prophet Badu: The Votes Are For Biden But The Seat Is For Trump by farem: 2:00pm On Nov 10, 2020

Paperwhite:
Does it even make sense @ all? Gullible African prophets deceiving their sheepie.

That's all you are limited to see. You should by now know that seeing isn't a function of good sight else all the fortunate physically blind wouldn't have ever made it in life and the wide-eyed guys wouldn't have been seeing begging on the streets

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Family › Re: I Punished My Wife By Sleeping With Her Younger Sister - Nigerian Father Of Two by farem: 10:04am On Nov 09, 2020

benjackugo:
Nigerian Father Of Two Punishes His Wife By Sleeping With Her Younger Sister (Photos)

A Nigerian father of two, Maduakor ~~Wiseman Jesus~~ Foolishman Satan said that the best way for men to punish their wives if they provoke them is by cheating with their relatives, IgbereTV reports.

According to him, his wife left him and their infant baby after he cheated on her with her younger sister.

He wrote:

"If your wife provokes you and you want to punish her cheat with her sister or relative and make her to find out, there is nothing more painful to them like cheating with their blood, they may not care if you cheat outside.
I don't post what does not work for me. She will be pained all the days of her life. In fact I have been cheating on my wife, if she find out I apologize. Immediately I found this strategy, I cheated with her junior sis and she left a breastfeeding baby for me and leave. she never returned, we separate. That's why I know it Pained them.

Just want to make common sense. #WISEMAN"

https://m.facebook.com/maduakor.wisemanjesus

Wetin sule no go see for gate

Education › Re: Redeemer's University Virtual Convocation Day 1 (in Pictures) by farem: 9:50am On Nov 09, 2020

gowonmaharajah:
their tuition fees no reach 1 million even for the sciences.

Why did you respond to porousness?

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